1977 1,743 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 5 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Yeah, I mean, HP is one thing, but there's no way I'm buying every single Indy or SW score: SW4 and Indy 2 and 4 aren't worth it. By SW4 you mean the original Star Wars? Really? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 @bollemanneke I think a lot of people are curious about your reasoning! 😅 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Well I recently revisited the Original Star Wars scores and found 4 quite boring, 5 very engaging and 6 possibly even more so. Yavar Moradi, Mr. Who, 1977 and 3 others 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 Star Wars uses a lot of time to set up the story, and then the music can seem a bit boring on the surface, but when the film really gets going the music is sooo great! Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckahn 0 Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 Hmmmm, no 1941 mentions. It's no JP, but surely worth a mention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 How the fuck do people find the score to Star Wars boring? And Return of the Jedi more interesting? What? 1977 and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 Why doesn't anyone like Always? 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 7 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: How the fuck do people find the score to Star Wars boring? And Return of the Jedi more interesting? What? Seriously, I expected an answer like "I already have the SE and have no intention to shell out again for only marginal improvements" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 6 hours ago, Dieter Stark said: Why doesn't anyone like Always? Because MM's got nothing to do with it. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 I fully expect a 30th anniversary lowkey release à la SPR coming this year from LLL though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 4, 2019 Share Posted July 4, 2019 I've already said the same thing, and it will be coupled with the 45th anniversary (and premiere) release of The Sugarland Express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 10:39 PM, bollemanneke said: Well I recently revisited the Original Star Wars scores and found 4 quite boring, 5 very engaging and 6 possibly even more so. Are you serious? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 5, 2019 Share Posted July 5, 2019 Bolle is a nice guy, if a bit eccentric. But aren't we all. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 9:11 AM, Holko said: Only one of those is possible and come on LLL, it's July already even in the magical land of forestfires. We’ve been more or less spared so far this year, although the real fire season typically starts in the fall. PG&E has been sending out a fair bit of mail in the past few weeks about wildfire preparedness (presumably to let us know they’re on top of things this year). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 6:32 PM, Dieter Stark said: Why doesn't anyone like Always? I like it. But in the pantheon of amazing Williams scores, it is a footnote at best I think. That said, if a definitive complete release were produced by LLL or Intrada I would be tempted to buy it, for sure. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Just now, Yavar Moradi said: I like it. But in the pantheon of amazing Williams scores, it is a footnote at best I think. That said, if a definitive complete release were produced by LLL or Intrada I would be tempted to buy it, for sure. Yavar It would be the definitive footnote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 I mean, when it comes to Jerry Goldsmith I'll re-buy Criminal Law if any music was found to be recorded but not included on the album. So a definitive Always isn't that crazy, for Williams fanatics. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 1. Harry Potter Collection 2. Jurassic Park Collection 3. A.I. Artificial Intelligence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 7/2/2019 at 3:59 AM, Jay said: JAWS certainly must be mentioned. When you stop and realize he used the exact same digital transfers that were used for the 2000 Decca release, yet the finished product is SO drastically different in sound quality, you realize just how hard he worked on that to get it to sound how it did (and how much technology improved in 15 years) Hate to be that guy but Intrada commissioned fresh transfers of the analogue elements for the Jaws expansion. Universal provided Intrada with the same analogue elements used for the 2000 Decca release, but Mike had the benefit of working with new, high-resolution 24-bit transfers of the material. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbeck 123 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 19 minutes ago, crumbs said: Hate to be that guy but Intrada commissioned fresh transfers of the analogue elements for the Jaws expansion. Universal provided Intrada with the same analogue elements used for the 2000 Decca release, but Mike had the benefit of working with new, high-resolution 24-bit transfers of the material. Not a Williams score but a good example of this is Poltergeist. MM worked both on the Rhino and FSM release from the same sources and managed to improve immensly the sound quality for the FSM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, danbeck said: Not a Williams score but a good example of this is Poltergeist. MM worked both on the Rhino and FSM release from the same sources and managed to improve immensly the sound quality for the FSM. I believe the same thing happened with Poseidon Adventure. Mike remastered the score in 2019 using the same transfers as the previous release a decade prior (not sure if the 2010 LLL used the same transfers as the FSM release a decade before that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 So he used to be really bad at making stuff sound good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Hate to be that guy but Intrada commissioned fresh transfers of the analogue elements for the Jaws expansion. Universal provided Intrada with the same analogue elements used for the 2000 Decca release, but Mike had the benefit of working with new, high-resolution 24-bit transfers of the material. You found a post from a year ago where I made a mistake and bumped it fresh for all to see my mistake. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted October 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2020 No problem, we'd already seen it a year ago. bollemanneke, crumbs and Chewy 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 This is what the press release of the 2010 Poseidon said Quote For this release, the 2" 24-track tape containing the original 35mm 6-track mag was transferred into Pro Tools, and restored and mixed with the advantages of another decade's advance in sound processing technology. So presumably all three releases are sourced from the same 2", which is first gen. Some things just age differently in vaults than others! crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, Jay said: You found a post from a year ago where I made a mistake and bumped it fresh for all to see my mistake. Thanks. Definitely wasn't malicious. By sheer luck I was reading the technical notes for the Intrada Jaws yesterday then happened across this thread today and noticed your comment. Just thought it was worth mentioning, given the recent discussion in other threads around modern high-resolution transfers vs remastering older transfers that used older technology. Jaws is the perfect case study in how quality remastering + modern high-res transfers can yield massive improvements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jay said: Some things just age differently in vaults than others! Which release used tapes that had aged badly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, Jay said: So presumably all three releases are sourced from the same 2", which is first gen. Some things just age differently in vaults than others! Certainly more detail than the 2019 LLL, which only says: Quote POSEIDON has been restored and meticulously remastered from original vault materials for improved sound over previous releases I assume the liner notes have more detail, but I still can't purchase that box (as it's OOS). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Which release used tapes that had aged badly? I was talking about Poseidon Adventure. Even though they have the first gen element, it doesn't sound great Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Jay said: I was talking about Poseidon Adventure. Even though they have the first gen element, it doesn't sound great Gotcha. Are there aspects on the earlier releases that sound better, due to the tape being in better condition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Good god no. The 2019 edition is the best it's ever sounded Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jay said: Good god no. The 2019 edition is the best it's ever sounded. typo fixed Chewy and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 You added a dot? crumbs and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Wan 65 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 On 7/2/2019 at 2:46 AM, danbeck said: Superman (some controversy on this one for the dynamic range as I saw in some forums but sounds great to me). What is wrong with the dynamic range of Superman 3CD set? I have also read some complaints on the remastering of the OST album on Disc 2 of E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial 2CD set but haven't noticed any problems with it. BTW is there any other case where Mike Matessino's remastering reportedly sounds worse than the original soundtrack release? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 1 hour ago, E-Wan said: I have also read some complaints on the remastering of the OST album on Disc 2 of E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial 2CD set but haven't noticed any problems with it. I'm not aware of any problems with the OST section of the LLL set. It's just obvious (to me at least) that it doesn't come from as good a source as disc 1 or most of the bonus tracks. Still sounds great to my ears though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuartalHarmony 543 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I've just tried a google to find comments about the DR of the LLL Superman set, but found nothing of note. Given the much-vaunted (and rightly so) discovery of the 1st-gen tapes, it should have more DR than any previous release. That said, it's possible that some people listening on - ahem - 'modest' equipment or in planes/trains/automobiles might find the extra DR irritating. The quiet bits will be quieter, which can be tricky to hear over background noise - you then turn the volume up only to get deafened when the LSO brass section next release a salvo. Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 All MM releases are greatly mastered, the dynamic range of the recordings is always so well preserved with only a slight, clean use of limiters. I can't think of any release to complain about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 What about the SW Special Editions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 He didn't master those. Or even edit them. Or produce them. http://www.mikematessino.com/projects/ Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jay said: He didn't master those. Or even edit them. Or produce them. "Editing and assembly supervised by Mike Matessino". It must be a distant relative then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 No, I was right. Fox employees did the editing. He told them what to edit. Hence the assembly credit on his website I linked to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 He was the supervisor of those who did the editing and assembly, which means he had a major role in the release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 But not it's mastering, which makes this entire discussion irrelevant when talking about dynamic range Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 I'm not talking about dynamic range. I'm commenting on "I can't think of any release to complain about." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 That comment was a reply to the post before it, which was about dynamic range Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Well, my post was a reply to the last sentence of the post before mine, which I interpret with a wider meaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Yea but you interpreted it wrong Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 Says the guy who consistently claims Mike had nothing to do with the SEs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbeck 123 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 4 hours ago, QuartalHarmony said: I've just tried a google to find comments about the DR of the LLL Superman set, but found nothing of note. Given the much-vaunted (and rightly so) discovery of the 1st-gen tapes, it should have more DR than any previous release. That said, it's possible that some people listening on - ahem - 'modest' equipment or in planes/trains/automobiles might find the extra DR irritating. The quiet bits will be quieter, which can be tricky to hear over background noise - you then turn the volume up only to get deafened when the LSO brass section next release a salvo. Mark At the time I posted about the controverse on the dynamic range of LLL Superman there was this discussion happening at the FSM Board, check the posts of the users Nono and Tyuan https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=10&threadID=124036&archive=0 They claim that on the LLL the DR was compressed, in any case I think It sounds great and was never able to compare to the WB original album myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danbeck 123 Posted November 1, 2020 Share Posted November 1, 2020 On 10/27/2020 at 7:14 AM, crumbs said: Hate to be that guy but Intrada commissioned fresh transfers of the analogue elements for the Jaws expansion. Universal provided Intrada with the same analogue elements used for the 2000 Decca release, but Mike had the benefit of working with new, high-resolution 24-bit transfers of the material. If I remember correctly it was not the same analogue elements. Douglass Fake mentioned that for the Jaws 25th anniversary Decca release they had used the 5.1 remix that was prepared for the dvd and downmixed it to stereo (with lots of noise reduction) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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