Jay 37,336 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 This credit list was posted on FSM, I dunno what their source was though Quote Hans Zimmer - music composer Steve Mazzaro - additional music composer Steven Doar - additional music Ashley Andrew-Jones - assistant engineer Laurence Anslow - digital recordist Christopher Benstead - Supervising Music Editor Mark Berrow - violin Rachel Bolt - viola Chuck Choi - Technical Score Consultant Al Clay - Music Score Mixer Rupert Coulson - additional score engineer Michael Dore - singer Matt Dunkley - arranger title song / conductor title song / score conductor Alex Ferguson - assistant engineer Geoff Foster - score engineer Rebecca Hordern - assistant engineer Connor Hughes - assistant music editor Steven Kofsky - music production services Alex Lamy - Technical Assistant Adam Langston - Orchestrator: title song Roger Linley - musician: double bass Stephen Lipson - Score Mixer / music producer Steve Mair - musician: double bass Mandy Mamlet - music department Dorina Markoff-McNulty - title music Johnny Marr - musician/guitar Joan Martorell - orchestrator Gianluca Massimo - assistant engineer Vicky Matthews - musician: cello Adam Miller - additional score engineer Jack Mills - assistant engineer Alejandro Moros - technical assistant James Warren Morris - Assistant Orchestrator Vicente Ortiz Gimeno - orchestrator Pedro Osuna - orchestrator Ben Parry - choir director Tom Pigott Smith - musician: violin Eva Reistad - score mix assistant Òscar Senén - lead orchestrator Shalini S. Singh - Studio Manager: remote control productions, inc. Jill Streater - head of music preparation Allen Walley - musician: double bass Alvin Wee - score mix assistant Mel Wesson - ambient music designer Rob Westwood - orchestrator Warren Zielinski - musician: violin Dan Boardman - cuban music orchestrator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Holy shit, seven orchestrators! For what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Probably for all the BWAAAMs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Who is Steven Doar? A newbie at RC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, gkgyver said: Holy shit, seven orchestrators! For what? Orchestral Music, I presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 How lazy do you have to be to bring in an extra orchestrator for a bit of cuban music? Read a book you hack. Or re-record Arnold's Welcome To Cuba and Wheelchair Access. Will be the best 5 minutes of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Look you might as well give a job to a Cuban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 989 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: This credit list was posted on FSM, I dunno what their source was though There was some promotional Thor Ragnarok thing that had the full movie credits on it (or at the very least the soundtrack section with all the MCU themes credited). So it either could be that, or stuff has leaked. 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: Who is Steven Doar? A newbie at RC? Pretty much. Hybrid was mentioning that he's gonna be the next guy under HZ's wing after Mazzaro. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 On 2/20/2020 at 3:18 PM, Dixon Hill said: Thankfully we have you to preach the truth to those poor unfortunate souls who like different things than you do. Hate to be nothing but negative lately but this place is slipping back into its old ways more and more, which is a damn shame. There was a Silver Age for a little while there. Dixon, I hardly knew ye!😞 Come back. You , me, and Thor will slay the bastards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 Stephen Lipson? Johnny Marr? Maybe, there's hope for this score, yet...maybe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 9 hours ago, HunterTech said: There was some promotional Thor Ragnarok thing that had the full movie credits on it (or at the very least the soundtrack section with all the MCU themes credited). So it either could be that, or stuff has leaked. The above has been on IMDB for a while - it's from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I think it's crazy to see a list of additional orchestrators etc., but how much of the work they did is awarded with a credit regardless if Hans did all of it or part of it. I used to be one of those assholes who would look at a pop artist and balk at how many writers and arrangers they use, but the practice is becoming more and more a natural part of the collaborative process of music making. In short, who cares how many people work on something if the end result is fine? That being said - Amazing Spider-Man 2 and Dark Phoenix didn't sound like they needed a factory to make what they did. 12 hours ago, gkgyver said: Holy shit, seven orchestrators! For what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,351 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 I don't think that makes you an asshole at all. It's only natural to ponder how talented the artist in question actually is when producing their stuff seems to require a raft of co-writers, producers etc. Naïve Old Fart and Bayesian 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 4 Beatles + 1 producer = the greatest body of work, in the history of popular music. 3 composers + 7 orchestrators = ...? Bayesian and Sweeping Strings 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted September 10, 2020 Share Posted September 10, 2020 10... something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sweeping Strings 2,351 Posted September 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 11, 2020 LSH, gkgyver, Bayesian and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I prefer Niki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Well Hans needs an orchestrator anyway because someone needs to write out the MIDI to sheet music and proofread. As I understand the score was made under considerable time pressure so dividing the work among 7 people (maybe some of them weren’t available for the whole period?) doesn’t say that much I think. I mean there are JW scores with 3 orchestrators (or maybe even more) and it says literally nothing about the creative process. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Orchestration is a technical job, not a CREATIVE one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 On 9/10/2020 at 3:18 AM, Sweeping Strings said: I don't think that makes you an asshole at all. It's only natural to ponder how talented the artist in question actually is when producing their stuff seems to require a raft of co-writers, producers etc. How is this different than all the other composers like Brian Tyler and Marco Beltrami? Producing a film requires a host of directors, secondary directors, actors, etc. Authors write together. Bands make music together. Stephen King wrote novels with other authors and you have no idea which words belongs to who. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,351 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 I was specifically referring to the part of Arpy's post that talks about pop artists. I will just never feel that some piece of autotuned pop fluff that somehow required an amount of people running into double figures to make is worthy of the same respect as the like of the rock classics above that it probably took an absolute maximum of 6 people to make. I'm 49, and probably enough of a dinosaur about this sort of thing to have Chris Pratt and Bryce Dallas Howard running away from me terrified. So be it *shrug*. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,511 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 19 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said: I was specifically referring to the part of Arpy's post that talks about pop artists. I will just never feel that some piece of autotuned pop fluff that somehow required an amount of people running into double figures to make is worthy of the same respect as the like of the rock classics above that it probably took an absolute maximum of 6 people to make. THIS!!!!!!!! Sweeping Strings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Physical CD is still happening, and now the cover art is up https://shop.decca.com/*/*/Bond-No-Time-to-Die-CD/6E7Q0000000 Oh it's on Amazon too https://www.amazon.com/dp/B084X9L2RH/ Quote The Hans Zimmer produced soundtrack for the 25th installment in the James Bond film franchise, No Time To Die. The soundtrack will include Billie Eilish's electrifying title track No Time To Die, co-written (with brother Finneas O'Connell) and performed by Eilish. Joining Zimmer on scoring the soundtrack is Johnny Marr, who is also the featured guitarist on the album, with additional music by composer and score producer Steve Mazzaro. So the song is on the OST album this time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSH 968 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 Quote Billie Eilish's electrifying title track No Time To Die Wow. Some people are far too easy to impress. Sweeping Strings and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 It's the marketing department. Whether the score was produced by Hans Zimmer, John Williams, a resurrected Richard Strauss, or a 4 piece drugged up street mariachi band, they don't give a rat's ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 On 9/13/2020 at 11:09 PM, Mephariel said: How is this different than all the other composers like Brian Tyler and Marco Beltrami? Producing a film requires a host of directors, secondary directors, actors, etc. Authors write together. Bands make music together. Stephen King wrote novels with other authors and you have no idea which words belongs to who. The costume designer doesn't actuall sew all the garments. The production designer doesn't draft all the schematics.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 24, 2020 Share Posted September 24, 2020 1 hour ago, bruce marshall said: The costume designer doesn't actuall sew all the garments. The production designer doesn't draft all the schematics.... There's a major difference between not being physically able to do it all, and not having the chops to do all aspects of your craft. Zimmer would employ ghostwriters and orchestrators and a dozen other people no matter how much time you give him. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,351 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 12 hours ago, LSH said: Wow. Some people are far too easy to impress. You could put that track on one of Blofeld's Thunderball conference chairs and press the relevant button, and it still wouldn't be 'electrifying'. gkgyver and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 451 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 On 9/24/2020 at 4:48 PM, gkgyver said: There's a major difference between not being physically able to do it all, and not having the chops to do all aspects of your craft. Zimmer would employ ghostwriters and orchestrators and a dozen other people no matter how much time you give him. But they don't have the chops to all aspects of their craft. There is nothing wrong with that. Directors don't have the chops to write music for their films or the visual effects. That is why they use composers and VFX houses. And there is nothing wrong with that. Zimmer uses ghost writers but so do most composers in the industry. You act like Zimmer is only one employing ghost writers. I mean, a lot of singers do not write songs or produce the videos, etc. You do what you are good at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 27, 2020 Share Posted September 27, 2020 Why bother rebutting the no- nothings?* They are part of the cult that hates Zimmer, merely because he supplanted JW as King of Soundtracks. Cultists need deprogramming before they can be reasoned with. *I put him on ignore. So, please don't quote the moron. I'm begging you! 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Marco Beltrami is more guilty of the use of ghost writers than almost everyone in the industry. The guy probably hasn't scored a movie on his own since the 2000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 Classic whataboutism. B..b...but HE did it too! No-nothing lol Classy. I know more than most of you. Guaran-fucking-teed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 So, do scores by Tangerine Dream not count because they are a group of musicians? 7 hours ago, Edmilson said: Marco Beltrami is more guilty of the use of ghost writers than almost everyone in the industry. The guy probably hasn't scored a movie on his own since the 2000s. Source? Btw if all these great scores are actually composed by ghosts, why aren't THEY being hired as lead composers for films? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 5 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Source? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Beltrami#Film Since 2018 every score of his have at least one co-composer. And that's when they receive official credit, if you check his other scores, you'll see that he used ghost writers in almost every single one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew 590 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 More of a reason to not want Beltrami on Indiana Jones 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 I doubt Lucasfilm would let Mangold use Beltrami, not when Williams is still available. It would be the same thing as letting Giacchino to score the J.J. Abrams directed Star Wars movies and Nathan Johnson score The Last Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Zimmer 211 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Drew said: More of a reason to not want Beltrami on Indiana Jones 5 Indeed. It will be me*. *may include additional monkeys. Edmilson and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted September 28, 2020 Share Posted September 28, 2020 May? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 Leave Williams alone. He shouldn't be forced to go down together with yet another dying franchise that was once great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted September 29, 2020 Share Posted September 29, 2020 On 9/28/2020 at 2:47 PM, Edmilson said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marco_Beltrami#Film Since 2018 every score of his have at least one co-composer. And that's when they receive official credit, if you check his other scores, you'll see that he used ghost writers in almost every single one of them. They're credited in the booklets though. Ghostwriters, as the name suggests, wouldn't receive a credit. Karol bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 seeming score snippets at 6:29, 29:13 and 34:55 - https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/no-time-to-die-the-official-james-bond-podcast/id1532875925?mt=2&itscg=80085&itsct=pod_somethinelse_notimetodie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Not really substantial enough to pass judgement so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2020 17 hours ago, crocodile said: They're credited in the booklets though. Ghostwriters, as the name suggests, wouldn't receive a credit. Karol Please don't start that bs discussion again. The cover says Hans Zimmer. When major parts of the score are by other people, print "Music by Remote Control Pictures" or "Music by Hans Zimmer's Remote Control Pictures", but not "Music by Hans Zimmer". That's a class A lie. Who's listed in fine print in the booklet alongside the 9th violinist and 3rd orchestrator isn't "credit". Bayesian, Richard Penna and Jurassic Shark 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,679 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 34 minutes ago, gkgyver said: Please don't start that bs discussion again. The cover says Hans Zimmer. When major parts of the score are by other people, print "Music by Remote Control Pictures" or "Music by Hans Zimmer's Remote Control Pictures", but not "Music by Hans Zimmer". That's a class A lie. Without getting back into this debate again - yep. If a cover says 'Music by ABC', and 'ABC' hasn't scored the vast majority of the score, then the credit is innaccurate. And before the RPC Defenders come piling in, that should apply to any composer. If it turned out that Batu Sener had composed 60% of CotW, I'd be unimpressed with Powell. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Music by Hans Zimmer and a bunch of other people I never heard of Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 Luk ett zoze juggs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 1 hour ago, gkgyver said: Please don't start that bs discussion again. The cover says Hans Zimmer. When major parts of the score are by other people, print "Music by Remote Control Pictures" or "Music by Hans Zimmer's Remote Control Pictures", but not "Music by Hans Zimmer". That's a class A lie. Who's listed in fine print in the booklet alongside the 9th violinist and 3rd orchestrator isn't "credit". It's not a discussion. I'm just stating plain facts. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 On a different note, what some people on that podcast say what THEY think a Bond movie is, is frightening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 30, 2020 Share Posted September 30, 2020 What they say? I didn't listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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