James Bond is better than everything

[bruce marshall 1,407]

7 hours ago, Jay said:

How good or bad a film is had nothing to do with how good or bad it's score is...

 

 

TMWTGG seems to fit the bill

[Yavar Moradi 3,461]

42 minutes ago, Damien F said:

Yes, that is what I was thinking of. The OST has already been expanded. For example "The Laser Beam" was not on the OST. So to say it has never been expanded doesn't make sense to me. 

 

I'm basing this on my OST which is this: 

 

 

Perhaps there are different versions of the OST??

Yes — you are not reading carefully what I (and others before me) wrote: the UK LP released at the time of the film in 1964 included four cues (including The Laser Beam) which for whatever reason were not included on the American LP.

 

 

Therefore, nothing actually new (previously unreleased) was added to either LLL’s new edition or the 2003 edition produced by Lukas Kendall. Complete score tapes for the first three films were lost, and remain lost. (Thunderball is the earliest Eon Bond film which had additional surviving material for it to be expanded. A further expansion is hoped for next year for its anniversary, because not everything was possible to fit on a single disc back in 2003, and Lukas was explicitly limited to what could fit on a single CD at the time of producing those expansions.)

 

https://www.discogs.com/release/1164067-John-Barry-Goldfinger-Original-Motion-Picture-Score

 

Yavar

[Damien F 1,877]

OK, that makes sense. I knew the LLL release didn't contain any previously unreleased cues but I didn't know there were different versions of the OST based on country. 

[Yavar Moradi 3,461]

5 minutes ago, Damien F said:

OK, that makes sense. I knew the LLL release didn't contain any previously unreleased cues but I didn't know there were different versions of the OST based on country. 

It’s rare but it did happen a number of times during the 60s. Maybe something to do with the quality of LP pressings and not wanting to risk lower audio quality in the States to fit on extra cues?

 

Yavar

[Damien F 1,877]

So what is actually missing from LLL? Off the top of my head would be the source cue from the belly dancer bar scene, and the banjo music and subsequent brief "stately" strings at the introduction of the Auric Stud location. 

[Tallguy 5,386]

EDIT: Sorry I thought I was at the end of the thread. Carry on.

[Tom Guernsey 3,101]

1 hour ago, Damien F said:

So what is actually missing from LLL? Off the top of my head would be the source cue from the belly dancer bar scene, and the banjo music and subsequent brief "stately" strings at the introduction of the Auric Stud location. 

I don’t know the exact cues but I believe it’s only about 12 minutes of music missing. Pretty sparsely scored! I mean I’d happily have the complete thing of course but save for a miraculous vault discovery, it isn’t going to happen. However, if nothing else, the new edition is worth it for the sound upgrade. 

[Holko 11,231]

2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

 

 

Oh come on it was reshared right here ^

[Yavar Moradi 3,461]

Of course it’s also worth pointing out that those 12 minutes were reconstructed by ear from the film by a talented fan; they didn’t have access to any original written music.

 

And it’s entirely possible that Barry wrote/recorded more music for Goldfinger which didn’t make it onto the album *or* into the film. Just look at the new expanded Moonraker: 26 minutes of music over the old half hour album program! And in the film there was only 8-10 minutes unreleased! So that tells you just how much music can be recorded for a film but not used in it. (And Moonraker is a mild case compared to something like Goldsmith’s Love Field, where like half his score was jettisoned over the vehement objections of the director.)

 

Yavar

[bruce marshall 1,407]

3 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

It’s rare but it did happen a number of times during the 60s. Maybe something to do with the quality of LP pressings and not wanting to risk lower audio quality in the States to fit on extra cues?

 

Yavar

It has to do with publishing royalties.

The more tracks on the US lp, the more the publisher is paid.

That's why The Beatles lp programs were shorter.

In the UK, publishing is calculated on an album basis, not song. So, they could be longer and not cost the record company more in royalties 

[Mr. Lovejoy 7,896]

I just want Licence to Kill and QOS.

[Lady Dimitrescu 9,629]

As long as they master it nice and quiet like a real Kamen album.

[Nick1Ø66 6,640]

 

1 hour ago, The Train Station said:

As long as they master it nice and quiet like a real Kamen album.

 

[Naïve Old Fart 11,389]

LICENSE TO KILL would be great.

The only thing I want from QUANTUM OF SOLACE is a physical release of 'Crawl, End Crawl'.

[Quppa 248]

Thrilled to see the Bond expansions/remasters continuing, but I hope the quinquennial anniversary business isn't a strict rule and we get OHMSS and Licence to Kill before 2029! Then again, it's hard to believe it's been 7 years since the Die Another Day expansion was released - feels more recent than that.

[Meredith McKay 7,691]

Footage Of LEGO's "Unreleased" James Bond Video Game Surfaces Online

[mrbellamy 7,215]

You tell em, Barbara

 

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According to The Wall Street Journal, the relationship between the Broccolis and Amazon (who now own Bond distributor MGM — a purchase the company made in part to get their hands on Bond) “has all but collapsed.” And due to the issues between the two, their article claims, “the franchise hasn't moved any closer to its next installment” in three years.

 

Broccoli “has told friends she doesn't trust algorithm-centric Amazon with a character she helped to mythologize through big-screen storytelling and gut instinct.” Their article also claims Broccoli has said of Amazon "These people are f— idiots."

 

As a result, apparently, there is “no script, no story and no new Bond” actor for what will eventually be the 26th official installment in the long-running franchise based on Ian Fleming’s classic spy novels.

 

Among the various things done by Amazon that have reportedly led to Broccoli’s increasing distrust of the company: In an “early meeting” with the company, an Amazon executive referred to the James Bond franchise “by a dreaded word: ‘content.’”

 

That’s where we are now, in what the Journal characterizes as an “impasse.” Amazon can’t make anything Bond without Broccoli, and Broccoli would need to make a Bond with the tech giant, but “[she] doesn't want to make a new Bond movie with Amazon.”

 

[Jay 41,830]

Good for her!

[OneBuckFilms 429]

It is good to see that James Bond is being protected by the creatives who know it best.

[Sweeping Strings 2,804]

'Creative' is certainly one word to describe how No Time To Die ended. It wouldn't be mine, though.

[Naïve Old Fart 11,389]

Good for her... bad for Bond.

It's MGM/UA all over again, not in circumstances, but in all the delays and uncertainty.

[OneBuckFilms 429]

I'd rather see Bond delayed than messed up.

 

Barbara Broccoli is imperfect but she does act as a stopgap against potentially more damaging actions being taken for Bond.

 

We all want more bond, but if Amazon are the way she paints it here, she's doing the right thing.

 

At this point I'm enjoying the La-La Land releases as they come, and enjoying revisiting the existing movies.

[bruce marshall 1,407]

Too bad the books didn't go into public domain in 2014- as they should have-  had the copyright not been extended by bought off legislators.

Then, anyone could make a Bond film like they do with Tarzan and Sherlock 

[Meredith McKay 7,691]

49 minutes ago, OneBuckFilms said:

 

At this point I'm enjoying the La-La Land releases as they come,

Hopefully this doesn't mess those up

[Edmilson 10,211]

If the "solution" is to turn Bond into "content" for a streaming service owned by a tech giant, then it's better not do anything at all. Let the character be out of the public's eye for a while and screw Amazon. I bet the first thing they proposed is a "Bond cinematic universe", with multiple spin-offs and shows and movies etc. 

 

Have fun trying to make money out of movies about Dwayne Johnson rescuing Santa Claus or whatever.

[Jfallon 38]

Considering Lala stated a while ago they were working on Moonraker, TND and LTK for a couple years now I bet LTK is ready to go… hopefully soon.

[Mr. Lovejoy 7,896]

5 hours ago, OneBuckFilms said:

Barbara Broccoli is imperfect but she does act as a stopgap against potentially more damaging actions being taken for Bond.

 

Is there anything more damaging to Bond than the ending of NTTD?

[Meredith McKay 7,691]

1 hour ago, Jamie Dutton said:

 

Is there anything more damaging to Bond than the ending of NTTD?

Yes.

[Mr. Lovejoy 7,896]

What kind of damage are we lookin' at?

[Meredith McKay 7,691]

1 minute ago, Jamie Dutton said:

What kind of damage are we lookin' at?

The worst you can imagine x25

[Naïve Old Fart 11,389]

I say we sneak into Amazon, trash the place, and say it was industrial espionage.

[Mephariel 531]

 

2 hours ago, Jamie Dutton said:

What kind of damage are we lookin' at?

 

Wade and Purvis's writing. They are good at writing double entendre dialogues, and that it. Their plot development skills are terrible. Their villain development skills are terrible. I honestly think this is the only thing holding the Bond movies back. Spectre, for example, had great direction, atmosphere, anticipation, and cinematography. But the story was so half-baked, it killed all that. BTW, what was the motive of Malek's character in NTTD again?  

[Mr. Lovejoy 7,896]

Smart thinkin', that's the way to go. In fact, I'd like you to handle this operation personally!

[Meredith McKay 7,691]

6 minutes ago, Mephariel said:

 

 

BTW, what was the motive of Malek's character in NTTD again?  

Revenge!

 

 

.....I think?

 

[bruce marshall 1,407]

1 hour ago, Doo_liss said:

Revenge!

 

 

.....I think?

 

A second Oscar?

[WampaRat 1,631]

Sharing these over in the custom covers thread. Here are some custom album covers I made using the art of Sean Longmore who is heavily inspired by Asian movie poster art. I thought the "maximalist" vibe of these was pretty fun. 

[Jay 41,830]

With 9 out of 25 done, Neil is now more than one third of the way through Eon's catalog!

 

Year	Title	Composer	Film	Music	Expansion	Neil S. Bulk edition
1962	Dr. No	Monty Norman	MGM/UA	UMG
1963	From Russia With Love	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG
1964	Goldfinger	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI	2024 La-La Land (60th)
1965	Thunderball	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI
1967	You Only Live Twice	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI
1969	On Her Majesty's Secret Service	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI
1971	Diamonds Are Forever	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI
1973	Live and Let Die	George Martin	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI	2023 La-La Land (50th)
1974	The Man With The Golden Gun	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG		2024 La-La Land (50th)
1977	The Spy Who Loved Me	Marvin Hamlisch	MGM/UA	UMG
1979	Moonraker	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG		2024 La-La Land (45th)
1981	For Your Eyes Only	Bill Conti	MGM/UA	UMG	2003 EMI
1983	Octopussy	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG		2023 La-La Land (40th)
1985	A View To A Kill	John Barry	MGM/UA	UMG
1987	The Living Daylights	John Barry	MGM/UA	WMG	1998 Rykodisc
1989	Licence To Kill	Michael Kamen	MGM/UA	UMG		2025 La-La Land
1995	GoldenEye	Éric Serra	MGM/UA	WMG
1997	Tomorrow Never Dies	David Arnold	MGM/UA	UMG	2000 Chapter III	2022 La-La Land (25th)
1999	The World Is Not Enough	David Arnold	MGM/UA	UMG		2018 La-La Land
2002	Die Another Day	David Arnold	MGM/UA	WMG		2017 La-La Land (15th)
2006	Casino Royale	David Arnold	Sony	SME	2006 Sony
2008	Quantum of Solace	David Arnold	Sony	SME
2012	Skyfall	Thomas Newman	Sony	SME	FYC album
2015	Spectre	Thomas Newman	Sony	UMG	FYC album
2021	No Time To Die	Hans Zimmer	MGM/UA	UMG

 

Here are the next 5 years worth of quinquennial anniversaries for the ones that LLL hasn't done yet, in case that factors in to when they'll be tackled:

 

2025:

1. Thunderball (60th)
2. A View To A Kill (40th)
3. GoldenEye (30th)
4. Spectre (10th)

2026:

1. Diamonds Are Forever (55th)
2. For Your Eyes Only (45th)
3. Casino Royale (20th)
4. No Time To Die (5th)

2027:

1. Dr. No (65th)
2. You Only Live Twice (60th)
3. The Spy Who Loved Me (50th)
4. The Living Daylights (40th)
5. Skyfall (15th)

2028:

1. From Russia With Love (65th)
2. Quantum of Solace (20th)

2029:

1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service (60th)

[Naïve Old Fart 11,389]

On 06/01/2025 at 8:48 PM, WampaRat said:

Bond and Wei Lin are hanging off of the end of Carver's nose 

 

Seriously though, how much is still missing from the 2003 expansions?

[Tallguy 5,386]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

On Her Majesty's Secret Service (60th)

 

60. That's the real gun barrel that I'm staring down.

[Yavar Moradi 3,461]

1 hour ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

Seriously though, how much is still missing from the 2003 expansions?

 

The only 2003 expansions still missing substantial music are OHMSS and Thunderball, because both scores were so long they couldn't fit on a single CD (especially while still including the original album programs, which was a requirement). I've heard there's about 20 minutes that could still be added for Thunderball, and I think seven cues for OHMSS? (Plus, two cues were micro-edited on the 2003 edition, in order to squeeze them onto the single CD.)

Yavar

[Naïve Old Fart 11,389]

13 minutes ago, Tallguy said:

 

60. That's the real gun barrel that I'm staring down.

 

Spoilers:

Spoiler

It's not so bad, once you get there.

A lot of really good stuff has happened to me since I turned 60.

 

[Meredith McKay 7,691]

6 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said:

 

The only 2003 expansions still missing substantial music are OHMSS and Thunderball,

That we know of, of course.

[Yavar Moradi 3,461]

5 minutes ago, Doo_liss said:

That we know of, of course.

 

I find it very unlikely that if there was more music to include on the other three expansions Lukas did for EMI, he wouldn't have included it since there was indeed room.

 

Yavar

[Meredith McKay 7,691]

1 minute ago, Yavar Moradi said:

 

I find it very unlikely that if there was more music to include on the other three expansions Lukas did for EMI, he wouldn't have included it since there was indeed room.

 

Yavar

Fair enough.

[Andy 5,799]

7 hours ago, Jay said:

With 9 out of 25 done, Neil is now more than one third of the way through Eon's catalog! in to when they'll be tackled

 

Hopefully nothing gets in his way. 
 

At the risk of sounding entitled, I don’t wanna wait 4 years for all of them.  This Anniversary nonsense … this consumers doesn’t care.  Put out one a month. Jelly of the Month Club. They did them all at once in 2003. 

 

[Yavar Moradi 3,461]

1 hour ago, Andy said:

At the risk of sounding entitled, I don’t wanna wait 4 years for all of them.  This Anniversary nonsense … this consumers doesn’t care.  Put out one a month. Jelly of the Month Club. They did them all at once in 2003. 

 

But only five of them were expanded (which obviously requires a lot of extra work/time/budget, which Lukas Kendall ran out of after three weeks). That's as many expansions as LLL has done in the past 12 months! So I'd say they are doing just fine and I'll be grateful to get definitive complete editions of A View to a Kill, Thunderball, and GoldenEye this year. Maybe even OHMSS... as someone pointed out to me, the film was released in December 1969 so technically something could be released up until November 2025 and still be fairly called "55th Anniversary Edition"...

 

Yavar

[Mr. Lovejoy 7,896]

The only other one I really want is Quantum of Solace.

[Yavar Moradi 3,461]

22 minutes ago, Jamie Dutton said:

The only other one I really want is Quantum of Solace.

I wouldn’t say it’s the only one I want, but it’s near the top of my list and it’s going to feel like a long 3+ year wait for me, on that one.

 

Yavar

[A. A. Ron 2,227]

8 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said:

I find it very unlikely that if there was more music to include on the other three expansions Lukas did for EMI, he wouldn't have included it since there was indeed room.

 

Also he probably would have said something about all that missing music in the James Bond articles that appeared in the FSM magazine around that time.

[Meredith McKay 7,691]

10 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said:

 

Also he probably would have said something about all that missing music in the James Bond articles that appeared in the FSM magazine around that time.

Fair enough again.

 

(Though, there has been times, when even more music was discovered that no one knew about at the time)