Disco Stu 15,508 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 To me, the perfect balance was struck with Tomorrow Never Dies, with Michelle Yeoh as a badass "holds her own" spy and Teri Hatcher as your more standard Bond girl, but one that verbally spars with Bond in a fun way. And now realizing that movie is 25 years old.... I need some air. Tallguy and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,777 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Try being someone who regards the era of 'modern' Bond as having started with The Living Daylights, a movie now 10 years older than TND . Yavar Moradi and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 11,226 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 34 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said: NTTD's box-office was 774 million ... yes Covid played a part, but maybe EON should ask themselves was that the only reason it made less than both SPECTRE and Skyfall. NTTD is, also, at 165 minutes, the longest Bond, so reduced screenings could have played a role. I'd like to think that people saw NTTD for what it was - woke shit, with an emasculated Bond, and a very uninteresting female lead (more Anna De Armas, please! ) - and didn't go back for repeat viewings. Playing "We Have All The Time In The World", over the end credits was an insult to OHMSS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,617 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 This is a film franchise thought brought us 16 entries in its first 30 years ('62-'91) Dr No From Russia With Love Goldfinger Thunderball You Only Live Twice On Her Majesty's Secret Service Diamonds Are Forever Live and Let Die The Man With The Golden Gun The Spy Who Loved Me Moonraker For Your Eyes Only Octopussy A View To A Kill The Living Daylights License To Kill And then only 9 entries in its next 30 years ('92-'21) GoldenEye Tomorrow Never Dies The World Is Not Enough Die Another Day Casino Royale Quantum of Solace Skyfall Spectre No Time To Die What a difference!!! The spent way too much time and money on each movie now instead of making more simpler, more fun adventures for Bond to go on, rinse and repeat. Everything's gotta build off off and one-up what came before for some reason. Yavar Moradi and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,508 Posted September 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, Sweeping Strings said: Try being someone who regards the era of 'modern' Bond as having started with The Living Daylights, a movie now 10 years older than TND . Surely even for someone older than me the natural cutoff is between Dalton and Brosnan. It's the longest gap between films and the official hand off from Cubby to Barbara/Michael. Ricard, Yavar Moradi and Tallguy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,617 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 Not to mention there was only 5 directors who handled the first 16 Eon films (Terence Young, Guy Hamilton, Lewis Gilbert, Peter Hunt, John Glen), and none of those guys directed any Brosnan or Craig films Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,777 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: NTTD is, also, at 165 minutes, the longest Bond, so reduced screenings could have played a role. I'd like to think that people saw NTTD for what it was - woke shit, with an emasculated Bond, and a very uninteresting female lead (more Anna De Armas, please! ) - and didn't go back for repeat viewings. Playing "We Have All The Time In The World", over the end credits was an insult to OHMSS. Yep ... it felt utterly unearned, the playing of we Have All The Time Of The World ... ooh, look at us! It's a callback to/ironic reversal of the end of OHMSS, aren't we clever! No, no you're not ... I'm sitting here in the cinema completely deflated that a Bond movie has actually ended with his death, and you're hoping for stolen kudos by playing one of the best songs of the series from one of its best entries? Fuck off. Fuck RIGHT off. And when you get there, fuck off some more. Naïve Old Fart and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,508 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Because I'm not a fan of the Craig films I haven't been paying close attention to these details, but is the next generation of the Broccoli family already working on the films, being groomed to take over from Barbara/Michael down the line? Like how Michael started working on the films in the 70s and Barbara in the 80s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,617 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 All 9 Bond films of the past 30 years only credit Michael Wilson & Barbara Broccoli as producers, and they are also the 2 producers of The Rhythm Section Here's a fun chart: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Production_of_the_James_Bond_films#Core_crew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,508 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Here's one at least: Gregg Wilson, son of Michael G. Wilson, who's been an associate producer since Quantum of Solace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,777 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Surely even for someone older than me the natural cutoff is between Dalton and Brosnan. It's the longest gap between films and the official hand off from Cubby to Barbara/Michael. Yeah, I get what you're saying. It's just ... the difference in, well, DYNAMISM between A View To A Kill and Daylights. In the former, we have a pushing-60 Moore being replaced by stunt doubles in places for mere fistfights. Whereas an early 40s Dalton starts the latter clinging to the roof of a Land Rover (and for a lot of it we can see that it is actually him) careering down the roads of the Rock of Gibraltar. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,508 Posted September 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Sweeping Strings said: roof of a Land Rover (and for a lot of it we can see that it is actually him) careering down the roads of the Rock of Gibraltar. I can hear Barry's glorious drum machine in my head! Ricard, Florian, Tallguy and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,617 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 The Living Daylights is easily the non-Arnold Bond score I've listened to the most Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,508 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 The Living Daylights is my most listened to Barry score. For Your Eyes Only is my most listened to non-Barry score (it's Bill Conti, and a lot of fun). Tomorrow Never Dies is my most listened to Arnold score. Yavar Moradi and Florian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,617 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 Tomorrow Never Dies is amazing Florian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,777 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Not a fan of all of Arnold's inclusion of dance music elements on the DAD score, but Backseat Driver from the TND one is great. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,617 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 Dance music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,508 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I can enjoy that stuff as a time capsule of its era just like I enjoy the drum machine in TLD. Anyway, TWINE is the second best Arnold score, kind of underrated maybe? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 41,617 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 I used to underrate that score myself, but after the LLL expansion not love it so much, I almost rate it *higher* than Tomorrow Never Dies! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 11,226 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Sweeping Strings said: Fuck off. Fuck RIGHT off. And when you get there, fuck off some more. LMFAO! Right on, bro. Sweeping Strings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,777 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 16 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I can enjoy that stuff as a time capsule of its era just like I enjoy the drum machine in TLD. Anyway, TWINE is the second best Arnold score, kind of underrated maybe? It certainly has the best title song of the Brosnans. Garbage nail the sweet spot between their alternative rock and the big, dramatic Bondian ballad. 25 minutes ago, Jay said: Dance music? Am sure I thought parts of DAD's score were too 'beat-y'. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,508 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Sweeping Strings said: 'beat-y'. meaty big and bouncy? Naïve Old Fart and Sweeping Strings 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 5,230 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I'm sure if we're talking underrated Arnold scores then that must be Quantum of Solace. Just because it's such a great score and such a terrible movie. 1 hour ago, Jay said: Not to mention there was only 5 directors who handled the first 16 Eon films (Terence Young, Guy Hamilton, Lewis Gilbert, Peter Hunt, John Glen), and none of those guys directed any Brosnan or Craig films Glen tips the scales a bit, doesn't he? Every Bond has a mostly clean cut off. (Although weirdly Connery got to star in the first Roger Moore film with Diamonds.) But the change from Dalton to Brosnan has to be at least as distinct as Brosnan to Craig. Just being post-Cubby would be enough to do that. I still haven't seen NTTD. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,508 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 You'll find Croc on your side when it comes to Quantum. Because of my aversion to Craig and the whole aesthetic of his films, I find it hard to get into Arnold's two scores for him. I suppose that means, yes, I underrate them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,777 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 35 minutes ago, Tallguy said: I'm sure if we're talking underrated Arnold scores then that must be Quantum of Solace. Just because it's such a great score and such a terrible movie. Glen tips the scales a bit, doesn't he? Every Bond has a mostly clean cut off. (Although weirdly Connery got to star in the first Roger Moore film with Diamonds.) But the change from Dalton to Brosnan has to be at least as distinct as Brosnan to Craig. Just being post-Cubby would be enough to do that. I still haven't seen NTTD. Glen does indeed ... director of all 5 80s Bonds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 11,226 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 40 minutes ago, Tallguy said: I'm sure if we're talking underrated Arnold scores then that must be Quantum of Solace. It's my second favourite Arnold score. 41 minutes ago, Tallguy said: I still haven't seen NTTD. Believe me, dude, you're not missing much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mephariel 521 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 11 hours ago, Sweeping Strings said: Indeed. Talk of Bond 'evolving' sends a chill down my spine ... I honestly wish they'd stop making them rather than turn him into some (for want of a better phrase) woke shadow of his former self. NTTD's box-office was 774 million ... yes Covid played a part, but maybe EON should ask themselves was that the only reason it made less than both SPECTRE and Skyfall. Spectre made less than Skyfall as well. And NTTD made more more money than Casino Royale. In fact, I would argued the Craig films are more "woke" according to traditionalist than any of the other Bond films and yet they made more money than any of the other Bond films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,777 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On that ... at the time I was pleasantly surprised at how much of Casino Royale the novel had made it into the movie, in one form or another. Especially striking was that 'The bitch is dead' was present and correct. Brosnan is doing promo for Black Adam ... in an interview with GQ he said (apparently bringing it up himself, probably in anticipation that the interviewer would anyway) that he wishes the next Bond well, but doesn't care who it is. He praises Craig's physicality and 'from the heart' acting as Bond, but indicates that wasn't that keen on NTTD. And speaking of Pierce, those in the UK who have Sky Documentaries amongst their telly channels may be interested to know that at 9:00 tonight they're showing 'GoldenEra', a 25th anniversary 2-hour docu about the creation and legacy of the GoldenEye videogame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,717 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Watched yesterday the James Bond concert at the Royal Albert hall on Prime and enjoyed it a lot. The best part for me was David Arnold singing "You Know My Name". Only disappointment, the performance of "You Only Live Twice" by Celeste as it is one of my favourite Bond songs and Celeste usually is a great performer singing her own material. But this was a big mismatch. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 10,052 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 ‘Skyfall’ at 10: Sam Mendes Recalls How Shutting Down the Movie Led to Its Ultimate Success The film faced an uphill battle — including studio MGM going bankrupt and headlines declaring the end of 007 — before a 10-month hiatus put it on the path to $1 billion at the box office. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,508 Posted November 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2022 We used to make proper Bond films Raiders of the SoundtrArk, Tallguy, Ricard and 1 other 1 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,489 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: We used to make proper Bond films Hryuuuuuuup heeeeeiiiirroooooooo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,508 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 You're that secret agent! That English secret agent, from England! Nick1Ø66 and Naïve Old Fart 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 11,226 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 You're not thinking of..?! Ah sure am, boy! Pity about the slide whistle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TolkienSS 485 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 No Time To Die is the first Bond movie in decades that I don't watch. I've seen enough "modern" screenwriters and producers paint mustaches on Mona Lisas, thinking of how cool they are. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 6,507 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 50 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: You're that secret agent! That English secret agent, from England! JW Pepper vs. Bottle Guy. GO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 999 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: We used to make proper Bond films The moment the car lands the violins start playing the "bouncy" version of the bond theme! I really like TMWTGG's score and the movie is fun as well! Naïve Old Fart and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,508 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Mr. Who said: the movie is fun as well! I've never understood why it's seen as one of the worst in the series, it's so much fun to watch. It was from when you didn't hear any Bond producers going on about "honoring the journey of the character" or some such self-important nonsense, nor were they trying to make some larger point. They just got on with making something fun and silly that can be enjoyed by young and old. To paraphrase Neil Peart, those pre-Craig Bond films are from "a better, vanished time." Naïve Old Fart and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick1Ø66 6,507 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 If only Bond has been driving a Red Barchetta. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Who 999 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I've never understood why it's seen as one of the worst in the series, it's so much fun to watch. It was from when you didn't hear any Bond producers going on about "honoring the journey of the character" or some such self-important nonsense, nor were they trying to make some larger point. They just got on with making something fun and silly that can be enjoyed by young and old. To paraphrase Neil Peart, those pre-Craig Bond films are from "a better, vanished time." Yeah I've always liked this one a lot, it's just fun from start to finish and I love Barry's score. Funnily enough it's one of the only scores where the guitar section of the bond theme is played by strings. I like the Craig movies a lot but I would like the next couple of movies with the new actor to be a bit more classic bond without any overarching characters etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,508 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, Nick1Ø66 said: If only Bond has been driving a Red Barchetta. It's actually kind of impressive that after 60 years, Bond has never driven a Ferrari or Maserati to my knowledge. Italian sports cars are just not part of the Bond aesthetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 5,230 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 46 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: It's actually kind of impressive that after 60 years, Bond has never driven a Ferrari or Maserati to my knowledge. Italian sports cars are just not part of the Bond aesthetic. But Casio is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,508 Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Isn't Casio a Japanese company? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,777 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 20 hours ago, Disco Stu said: It's actually kind of impressive that after 60 years, Bond has never driven a Ferrari or Maserati to my knowledge. Italian sports cars are just not part of the Bond aesthetic. No, but he has driven BMW convertibles ... 'hairdresser's cars', as someone once put it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,508 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Just now, Sweeping Strings said: No, but he has driven BMW convertibles ... 'hairdresser's cars', as someone once put it. Oh yeah, he's driven German cars on several occasions. Check out the fun infographic at the URL below. https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/planes-trains-and-automobiles/every-car-james-bond-ever-drove/ Because Moore has always been "my" Bond, I have much more nostalgia for the Lotus than I have for the DB5 Sweeping Strings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,777 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Lotus is Moore's car in the same way that the DB5 is Connery's (even though the Brosnan and Craig Bonds also drove it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,508 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Especially that gorgeous red one in FYEO. And with that gorgeous Bill Conti theme for Cortina Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweeping Strings 2,777 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 It's a fine-looking vehicle indeed. A Corgi version of it currently adorns my mantelpiece, along with other Bond cars and Funkos of 4 of the 007s. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 11,226 Posted November 23, 2022 Share Posted November 23, 2022 Didn't they blow up an Esprit, in FYEO? Sweeping Strings 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick1Ø66 6,507 Posted November 23, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted November 23, 2022 007's car from Die Another Day is really something to see. Disco Stu, Meredith McKay and Naïve Old Fart 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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