enderdrag64 624 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 minutes ago, Jay said: I wasn't even referring to Ashoka or Boba. One of the major threads of Season 2 was the other mandalorian faction led by Starbuck from BSG, and how they want to take back Mandalore. BOBF even continued this thread by the Armorer sending him to Mandalore to go in the caves or whatever. All of this continues on from cartoon shows I've never seen Oh yeah I don't know how I forgot about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tallguy 3,386 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: I wasn't even referring to Ashoka or Boba. One of the major threads of Season 2 was the other mandalorian faction led by Starbuck from BSG, and how they want to take back Mandalore. BOBF even continued this thread by the Armorer sending him to Mandalore to go in the caves or whatever. All of this continues on from cartoon shows I've never seen Serious question: Do you really feel you've missed out? Or do you think they've caught you up? Snarky response: Don't you think you should see them? TBH - I had a bit of the same feeling when I got to that arc in Rebels because I had never seen those bits of Clone Wars. On the other hand I often have to catch my wife up on parts of Return of the Jedi. Someone is always going to miss something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 2 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Serious question: Do you really feel you've missed out? Or do you think they've caught you up? The first 2 seasons have done a great job of telling me what I need to know! I never felt like I was missing out on any important information, though it was always very obvious whenever the show was referring an outside work I hadn't seen. I am only relaying a fear I have that season 3 could lean more into cartoon lore than they have done so far. The only thing I can do is wait and see! 2 minutes ago, Tallguy said: Snarky response: Don't you think you should see them? I have no interest in watching the cartoon shows, no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy 4,127 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 I get that. I'm a massive Lucas fan (and apologist), and even though the Clone Wars cartoon had a lot of his input, I rarely feel like rewatching them. I don't like the animation. I'd rather re-watch the Tartakovsky Micro Series of animation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saulocf 79 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 hours ago, Jay said: All of this continues on from cartoon shows I've never seen It'll be fine. The state that things are on Mandalorian are already very different to the last that we've seen in Rebels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 12 hours ago, GerateWohl said: talking about the light side of the force (in the old movies there was just the force and the dark side of the force, but really splitting it into light and dark was new) Just want to point out that "light side" has been the terminology used in the books and video games, I believe since before the prequels came out. So it might be new to the movies, but not to the lore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Ryan: "making fun of the show's many missteps was super easy, barely an inconvenience!" MrJosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DarthDementous 1,059 Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 9 hours ago, Tallguy said: I admit I want it both ways: I think the movie was unfairly disparaged because that scene seemed to meet a lot of people's expectations. "Look how dumb THIS is!" But at the same time I like the movie and say that if you ignore that scene the rest of the film is pretty good. It would be better for everybody if that scene just wasn't there. This is probably the answer to my question, I don't think I've ever seen a movie with a well that was more poisoned than Solo so criticisms probably ended up magnified. A lot of those people probably haven't watched it recently and still have it in their memory as this massive flop that changed the course of Disney Star Wars 7 hours ago, Jay said: I have no interest in watching the cartoon shows, no This is why I detest the MCU approach for Star Wars, making something in a completely different medium required viewing is ridiculously inaccessible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 1 hour ago, DarthDementous said: This is why I detest the MCU approach for Star Wars, making something in a completely different medium required viewing is ridiculously inaccessible Yeah, but that way Disney gets more money, which is literally the only reason they release Marvel and Star Wars stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 48 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Yeah, but that way Disney gets more money, which is literally the only reason they release Marvel and Star Wars stuff. I think they and many other studios under-estimate the profitability of a good reputation and good word of mouth about the quality of their products. Although, one issue is that the majority of the Star Wars fan-base seems to be very un-critical of what they watch so there's no impetus to change the machine until it starts losing money, which it absolutely will and probably soon. All it took was one flop to kill the spin-off movies MrJosh and Groovygoth666 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 10 minutes ago, DarthDementous said: I think they and many other studios under-estimate the profitability of a good reputation and good word of mouth about the quality of their products. Although, one issue is that the majority of the Star Wars fan-base seems to be very un-critical of what they watch so there's no impetus to change the machine until it starts losing money, which it absolutely will and probably soon. All it took was one flop to kill the spin-off movies Ironically, it wasn't even Solo's fault it flopped.. It was the mainline movies Pellaeon and ThePenitentMan1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Groovygoth666 667 Posted July 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2022 Theres been a whole bunch discussed here and I wanted to throw my two cents in. I definitely enjoyed Solo, moreso than any of the Sequel trilogy, and while things like how Han got his surname, blaster and dice made my eyes roll they didn't detract from the overall story (same with Indy in TLC). My biggest problem with Solo is the behind the scenes stuff. Lucasfilm originally hired Lord and Miller, which to me was a very odd choice especially for a character like Han, but I like their movie's so thought they could bring something interesting. But then there are reports of having to bring in an acting coach for Alden Ehrenreich, too much improvising and a more comedic tone, which yeah makes sense when you choose Lord and Miller, so never understood Lucasfilms surprise by this. Then firing them for "creative differences" and hiring Ron Howard who now has to scramble and almost start from scratch. I'd love to see the Lord and Miller version, especially Michael K Williams Dryden Vos, it's an absolute shame that all his footage is locked in a vault somewhere never to be seen. Not sure if Solo flopped because of poor marketing. To me it seemed well marketed in the UK, trailers and Posters everywhere, actors on the usual press junkets etc. Perhaps it was a combination of Star Wars fatigue, a result of the backlash from TLJ or just there wasn't an audience for this particular story? As for the animated show's I can't sing their praises enough, while I don't care for the animation style of Clone Wars it has some incredible storytelling and is a show that only gets better with each season. Rebels is by far my favourite, I love Kanan's and Ezra's archs but also what is added to the lore. Bad Batch was fun but what I enjoyed the most was the fleshing out of the transition of the Republic to the Empire and the whole why the Empire doesn't use Clones. 2 hours ago, DarthDementous said: I think they and many other studios under-estimate the profitability of a good reputation and good word of mouth about the quality of their products. Although, one issue is that the majority of the Star Wars fan-base seems to be very un-critical of what they watch so there's no impetus to change the machine until it starts losing money, which it absolutely will and probably soon. All it took was one flop to kill the spin-off movies It feels more and more lately that a good script is on the lower end of not only the studios but fans priorities, just simply acknowledging this thing or that character said this so we'll make them say it again is enough to make most fans cry with joy (just look at the reaction videos to the final episode of Kenobi or Mando Season 2). The real test is how many people will be talking about this a year from now? There are fans out there that are deeply critical of the Disney era, who are unfortunately labeled as an ist or a phob of some sort. Or just out right dismissed because "Star Wars is a story about space wizards for children" so it's therefore above any criticism. There's the arguement that not only did Solo flop but TLJ and TROS made less money than TFA, so that says something about what general audiences thought. There are many problems with where Star Wars is as a franchise today, but thankfully with fan efforts like Project 4k77/80/83 preserving the original trilogy as it was, I can just watch those and be happy. ThePenitentMan1, DarthDementous and greenturnedblue 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Groovygoth666 said: but TLJ and TROS made less money than TFA, so that says something about what general audiences thought. I think it mostly just says that the novelty was wearing off: it was exactly the same with the classic trilogy, too: Star Wars made inordinately more money than its two sequels, even in the 90s rerelease. Most trilogies are like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I think it mostly just says that the novelty was wearing off: it was exactly the same with the classic trilogy, too: Star Wars made inordinately more money than its two sequels, even in the 90s rerelease. Most trilogies are like that. It’s definitely a far greater drop between TLJ and TROS though, ESB to ROTJ was a matter of millions whereas the former was a matter of hundreds of millions Groovygoth666 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 667 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 34 minutes ago, Chen G. said: I think it mostly just says that the novelty was wearing off: it was exactly the same with the classic trilogy, too: Star Wars made inordinately more money than its two sequels, even in the 90s rerelease. Most trilogies are like that. That's a good point about the novelty wearing off, but as @DarthDementous points out it's not as big a drop between the OT film's. Looking at the box office what is interesting for the OT and PT is that the middle film was a dip from the first, but the third film made more than the second, not so for the ST. DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Repeat viewers are what drive sales for megabillion blockbusters. If people like a movie less, they’re going to rewatch it less. I suspect it was the case for Solo and TROS (although I enjoyed Solo a good bit). The sting of Solo was probably much worse for Lucasfilm because they basically had to pay to shoot the thing twice. I used to think that things like Boba Fett showing up in the prequels, cartoon references in the shows, etc. were detrimental because they made the universe “feel smaller,” but I’ve learned to look smaller at these movies and shows, not as part of “the universe.” As somebody who has been disappointed in Star Wars in waves ever since 1991, it’s the only way to survive! If the show makes internal sense, then all of the referential stuff is just background that you can research/watch later if you really want to. Like Jay said, I think Mandalorian works as its own thing despite its references (for now). Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2022 2 hours ago, Groovygoth666 said: the third film made more than the second, not so for the ST. Well, it "helps" that The Rise of Skywalker sucked ass... I mean, if I told you in 2016 that the third film in the trilogy would be outgrossed by an R-rated, non-action, bleak-as-hell remake of Taxi Driver, would you believe me? A. A. Ron, Groovygoth666 and DarthDementous 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,368 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 What I don't get, Lucasfilm puts a hell of money into these TV show to make them look cinematic. But they don't. You can argue about the quality of the stories. But compared to the movies the live action TV shows look comparably cheap. There seems to be no cinematography, the editing, the action sequences, all far below the standards of the movies. So, if I anyway don't have the ambition to make these look like the movies, I could produce them much cheaper. Why then spend so much effort, making a guy look like young Luke Skywalker? This way it is neither flesh, nor fowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted July 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2022 The answer to that question is that they ARE comparably cheap. They’re incredibly expensive for TV productions, but reportedly $100-150 million per 5-7 hour seasons. Comparatively, the TROS budget was $275 million for a 2 hour movie. crumbs, enderdrag64, Chen G. and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Star Wars is best left on the big screen. Star Trek on the other hand, is best as TV series' because it relies on the plot, themes and messages to tell a story as opposed to sheer spectacle Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 667 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 5 hours ago, Chen G. said: Well, it "helps" that The Rise of Skywalker sucked ass... I mean, if I told you in 2016 that the third film in the trilogy would be outgrossed by an R-rated, non-action, bleak-as-hell remake of Taxi Driver, would you believe me? No I wouldn't have believed you, but then again Joker was actually good so probably wouldn't have been surprised . 5 hours ago, GerateWohl said: What I don't get, Lucasfilm puts a hell of money into these TV show to make them look cinematic. But they don't. You can argue about the quality of the stories. But compared to the movies the live action TV shows look comparably cheap. There seems to be no cinematography, the editing, the action sequences, all far below the standards of the movies. So, if I anyway don't have the ambition to make these look like the movies, I could produce them much cheaper. Why then spend so much effort, making a guy look like young Luke Skywalker? This way it is neither flesh, nor fowl. I think it has to a lot to do with these show's being made in The Volume, as a good as those screens are they can't replace real locations, so they visually can look cheaper. Plus hiring up and coming directors and writers (while not necessarily a bad thing) who lack the experience of planning out/writing an action scene, or how to cut them doesn't help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 1, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 1, 2022 18 minutes ago, Groovygoth666 said: then again Joker was actually good so probably wouldn't have been surprised . Certainly much, much better than The Rise of Skywalker. Groovygoth666, Edmilson and enderdrag64 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 9 hours ago, Chen G. said: Certainly much, much better than The Rise of Skywalker. Joker was ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 2 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: Joker was ok I thought it very good, but even at "okay" that puts it miles ahead of The Rise of Skywalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted July 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 3, 2022 Finally got round to the final episode today after 2 weeks in France (yes, lovely, thank you) and it definitely felt like this was the show it was meant to be with the music it was meant to have. For me, the quality of the final episode should have been the baseline rather than the high water mark for the show and its music. It's amazing how actually having the Imperial March and Leia's theme show up actually made it sound like Star Wars rather than a generic sci-fi show. I was struck by what a difference they made, especially hearing Leia's theme as that's the kind of scene that in most shows/films would likely be scored with pleasant, if not necessarily memorable music, but here you have it scored with a melody that's still recognisable after 45 years (scary... and, god I feel old). Based on the bits and pieces that have come out in interviews, it definitely feels more than these poor creative decisions rest at the door of the director and producers who really dropped the ball in their approach to music. Especially the comments from the director... I have no idea how invested she is in Star Wars personally (as a fan etc.), but I can't imagine being handed the reins to a big budget Star Wars spin-off and thinking "yeah, what this really needs is less of that Oscar winning music by the world's most famous film composer". It's just not that kind of franchise. For Marvel you can get away with generically epic, but I think even the casual viewer will have enough of an idea of what Star Wars music sounds like to set up some expectation. Having the Mandalorian do its own thing totally makes sense, but when you're featuring iconic characters from the movies, it really doesn't. I'm not sure if anyone else has thought this, but if Star Wars isn't safe from directors and producers thinking it needs a "modern" style of scoring then nothing is sacred which, from a film music perspective, perhaps leaves the sourest taste. Andy, ThePenitentMan1, crumbs and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 49 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said: I'm not sure if anyone else has thought this, but if Star Wars isn't safe from directors and producers thinking it needs a "modern" style of scoring then nothing is sacred which, from a film music perspective, perhaps leaves the sourest taste. It is truly a frightening thought. Tom Guernsey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 I think the past decade or so of franchises being dragged through the muck should give you a pretty good idea of how little is considered sacred Tom Guernsey and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted July 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2022 Damn, the episodes just keep getting better and better... EDIT: This was supposed to be posted in the Orville thread. DarthDementous, mstrox, Tallguy and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 On 01/07/2022 at 2:38 PM, Groovygoth666 said: Plus hiring up and coming directors and writers (while not necessarily a bad thing) who lack the experience of planning out/writing an action scene, or how to cut them doesn't help. The only problem with that is movie wise it's not much better, and they hired the biggest names in movies... ...and it really seemed like they were hired based just on that and not if they were good for the job. Remember that Jurassic movie everyone saw? Hire the director! That popular Game of Thrones show? Hire those guys! Everyone liked the Lego movie, hire those guys! Remember that Americanized Godzilla? Call that director! Remember the guy who made Thor silly so his movies were actually watchable? Give that man a Star War! Now count how many of those actually made it all the way to the end of their projects, much less put out a good movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,368 Posted July 8, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 8, 2022 According to this https://thedirect.com/article/obi-wan-kenobi-reva-killed-script-exclusive it makes much more sense what Stuart Beattie, the original writer, intended for the script. That Reva didn't know that Anakin was Vader. That Obi-Wan told her and that was, what actually made her turn. And in the original script she didn't survive Vader killing her off. That shows more clearly to me, how little sense these tweaks made, that they did to the story afterwards. crumbs, Andy, enderdrag64 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 16 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Damn, the episodes just keep getting better and better... @Jay Would you happen to know why my post was moved to the Obi-Wan thread? I posted this in the Orville thread yesterday. At least I'm 99% sure I posted it in the right thread... ...Hopefully I'm not going crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Nothing was moved. You posted it here. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 1 minute ago, Jay said: Nothing was moved. You posted it here. Guess I am going crazy then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 I'm glad this was just a mistake. After all, Obi-Wan's episodes do get better as they go by, but this is like some horrible shit becoming a little less shitty. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 I agree Manakin, this show was real good! Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 I agree with him that the pacing of the show is awkward indeed. Fan Edits ‘Obi-Wan Kenobi’ Into Two-Hour Movie to Fix ‘Awkward Pacing’ and Cut ‘Goofy Dialogue’ "I want to be very clear, this is my own artistic interpretation of how these scenes could be strung together to make something that works better for me personally," the fan wrote. Watch it now before the Mouse take it away. michael_grig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Could it have been a two-hour-ish movie? Probably, yeah. But, in the event, its a 220-minute miniseries. Either watch it - as is - or don't. This tendency to fan-cut everything is... I mean, I guess it gives people a stint at being a film editor, but otherwise I don't think its a very positive trend in how we appreciate movies and shows. It kinda drives us towards a minimalist view of editing, whereby movies must be the fastest, shortest versions of themselves possible. I find that approach very reductive - it becomes a dragster car rather than a work of art. mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 If they can get the whole thing down to a tight 10 minutes, I’m in. Chen G. and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 7 hours ago, Chen G. said: its a 220-minute miniseries. The 6 episodes combined total 261 minutes. Even if you take out 5 end credits and 5 "previously on" recaps, it's still going to be well over 220 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverTrumpet 638 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 Cutting 100 minutes from this show and still having the full story really isn't hard. Like most big budget TV shows, there's a ton of fluff. GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 16 minutes ago, Jay said: Even if you take out 5 end credits and 5 "previously on" recaps, it's still going to be well over 220 minutes I did a tally just like that and it came out as some 225 minutes or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 That doesn't sound right. That implies the end credits is like 7 minutes long, but it's only 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 The recaps and opening logos on the intermediate episodes average about two minutes per episode, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 It's interesting - it sure felt like I watched more than 3 1/2 hours of content! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Guernsey 2,284 Posted July 11, 2022 Share Posted July 11, 2022 1 hour ago, Jay said: It's interesting - it sure felt like I watched more than 3 1/2 hours of content! It really did! Then again, had it been better, it wouldn't... it should allow time for the characters to breath and not have to pack things in like in a movie, but it didn't kinda blew a lot of that chance too. Maybe if there is a season 2 they'll do something totally different. It was bad enough seeing Vader fail to capture Obi-Wan twice but failing over and over would just stretch credulity (assuming they are bothered at this point). GerateWohl 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post GerateWohl 4,368 Posted July 11, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 11, 2022 I have hardly ever seen a show where the characters show such determination (it ends today, I will finish it once and for all) end then actually nothing happens, Vader and Obi-Wan always hesitant when it comes to taking consequences, but before pretending to fight 'til death. Or to show any kind of consequence like people getting killed or at least stabbed in the belly with a light saber, but then alive again latest in the next episode. It is as if they tried too hard to pretend a plot, but since the series must more or less end at the same situation that it started at, they are not able to really move things forward. This plot is such a mess. They could have told any other new unrelated story with Obi-Wan. But this Vader and Leia story is really really a bad choice. Tom Guernsey, LSH, Holko and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groovygoth666 667 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 On 08/07/2022 at 5:23 PM, SilverTrumpet said: The only problem with that is movie wise it's not much better, and they hired the biggest names in movies... ...and it really seemed like they were hired based just on that and not if they were good for the job. Remember that Jurassic movie everyone saw? Hire the director! That popular Game of Thrones show? Hire those guys! Everyone liked the Lego movie, hire those guys! Remember that Americanized Godzilla? Call that director! Remember the guy who made Thor silly so his movies were actually watchable? Give that man a Star War! Now count how many of those actually made it all the way to the end of their projects, much less put out a good movie. Outside of JJ, Lord and Miller, I wouldn't call any of the others the Biggest Name's in Hollywood at the time they made their film's. One problem is they hire directors and writers who seemingly don't have a love for the franchise or at least the most basic knowledge of it, outside of JJ I'd say they've all been hired because they were cheap. Another problem I think is that the writers don't know how to write a basic story and characters, and instead want payoffs but don't know how to do the work to get there, which in storytelling is incredibly important. Also Lucasfilm is another factor, seemingly giving free reign to some so long as they like what's being made, otherwise any kind of pushback and you're out the door! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael_grig 472 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 I don't think they will talk about how the music went, do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 There’s a darkened shot of William Ross standing in front of a big movie screen that shows John Williams standing in front of a big movie screen that shows Natalie Holt standing in front of a big movie screen that shows Sy Snootles. Brando and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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