OBI-WAN KENOBI (Disney+ series)

[Chen G. 3,161]

No thanks, I don't need more soap-opera type familial-based drama. I should hope Obi-Wan's offhanded remark on a brother should be just that: offhanded piece of backstory.

[DarthDementous 952]

27 minutes ago, Bespin said:

I'm happy the majority of you don't write scripts, music or do anything related to films and TV.

 

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And I think it's clear with Epsode 3 that Obi-Wan has a younger brother.

 

That's another reason to let Obi-Wan go.

 

Didn’t Vader tell Obi Wan: YOUR SUFFERING IS JUST BEGINNING?

 

I'm glad you don't write scripts since you seem to have absolutely no clue how the screenwriting process works if you think the things that are being pointed out aren't something most good writers fret over far more than any audience member ever could. I'd even go as far as to say that at the absolute bare minimum as a screenwriter you should have a perceptiveness about how the audience is disseminating the information you give them and awareness of the expectations that creates as a result. I read the novel by Russel T Davies that shows a candid look at the process of being showrunner for Doctor Who and he was panicking over things I had never even thought about. We as audience members take so much for granted it's actually insane. The thing you don't realize is that it takes a lot to get even the smallest scene completed. Sets, actors, cinematography, costumes, script, storyboards, music, planning, budgeting etc. These things get scrutinized by necessity because no one wants to spend all that money and effort into something that's going to be thrown out, the script is what determines what the scene is actually going to be so it's most important to get that as tight as possible before filming. I don't think some of these problems weren't known about, this series was completely re-written late into its production so it could easily be a case of rushed development and not enough time to polish the scripts before shooting. It could also be down to limitations of shooting during COVID and difficulties encountered using the Volume. Don't approach this with completely unfounded assumptions and ignorance please, it makes for some poor discourse

Obi-Wan tells Leia that he remembers having a brother, we have no reason to assume Vader would know that information as well. There is also zero attempt by the episode to communicate that Vader is letting Kenobi go so he can pursue his...brother? Something he apparently can't do while having Kenobi captive, who is most likely going to know the actual location. Please at least think about how whether what you're saying makes sense in the context of the show before posting next time

I realize I'm coming off as pretty abrasive but you've also been taking potshots off on the sidelines and ridiculing everyone whilst providing nothing of substance in response



 

[Brónach 791]

 

[Luke Skywalker 1,505]

Owen is his long lost brother! 
 

he said that in the rotj novel….

[Chen G. 3,161]

9 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

he said that in the rotj novel….

 

It also says that in the screenplay.

[Bespin 6,993]

Obsolete information.

1. It was removed from ROTJ script's final cut.
2. It was not removed from the novelization of the movie and that's an error.
3. In AOTC they stated clearly that Luke's uncle, Owen Lars, was Anakin Skywalker's step-brother, not Kenobi's brother.
    

[Chen G. 3,161]

17 minutes ago, Bespin said:

in AOTC they stated clearly that Luke's uncle, Owen Lars, was Anakin Skywalker's step-brother

 

Well, in that film Owen also lived for some time with C3PO and saw R2D2, and he has no memory of either of them in the original film...

 

Star Wars had never been good at continuity. Just like how Obi-Wan was "a name I hadn't heard in a long time" when, if this show's to be believed, he heard it not nine or eight years prior.

[Jurassic Shark 9,744]

2 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

nine or eight years

 

That's a long time!

[Chen G. 3,161]

Its not the impression one gets from the original film. I don't even buy that it was "just" 19 years.

[Van_Etten 111]

C-3PO was repainted with his memory erased, and many protocol droids of his series look almost the same. Same goes for astromechs.

[Chen G. 3,161]

I know, I know, its explainable.

 

But it rings hollow.

[Bespin 6,993]

No one cared about C-3PO in the Skywalkers Saga!!!

 

They erased his memory, silenced him, ignored him, deactivated him, they sent him to scrap, made him freeze, they tried to blow him up, and then used his features to translate Sith messages!

[Luke Skywalker 1,505]

2 hours ago, Bespin said:

Obsolete information.

 

1. In AOTC they stated clearly that Luke's uncle, Owen Lars, was Anakin Skywalker's step-brother, not Kenobi's brother.
    

 

Wow, really is that true?

 

i was joking, mixing the wrong rotj reference and the new obiwan brother…

 

 

[Positivatee 323]

8 hours ago, DarthDementous said:

Wat x2

I said nothing about Vader walking into the flames himself, why would he have to do that when he can use the Force to grab Obi-Wan again at a safe distance?

I am immensely confused by your defense because the show itself demonstrated exactly what Vader would do in that situation, he just...doesn't when the flames start up again despite the circumstances being functionally identical

 

Okay buddy. 

[enderdrag64 373]

2 hours ago, Chen G. said:

I know, I know, its explainable.

 

But it rings hollow.

Owen also never learns the names of the droids he bought in ANH. You could argue it's possible for him to have recognized R2-D2 but he barely even saw him in AOTC. C-3PO looked completely different and the only thing that he might've recognized was the name which Luke never got to tell him before he was killed

[dylanskie 102]

I'm surprised by how bad this show is. Something just feels way off. The fight in episode three wasn't exciting or thrilling. Don't kill me, but I prefer the prequels over the other movies because of the world-building and more believable aspects (rather than Luke being a cartoonish hero figure, which was fine for the time period of the originals but never resonated with me)—and I was hoping that this show would resemble the prequels more than the originals in that respect. (which doesn't make any sense because they're too different time periods, but whatever)

 

The guy pretending to be a jedi in episode two was boring and seemed like a rehashed version of the (second) codebreaker character in TLJ. The mining planet in episode three was just southwestern US. The inquisitors are severely cartoonish, especially the one Reva killed.

 

However, I enjoyed seeing Alderaan for a little bit, I liked the brief hallucination of Anakin in episode three (something I was expecting in the show), and Ewan plays a broken and traumatized Obi-Wan very well. It's just that the show is bland and predictable.

 

Perhaps Natalie Holt felt the same way while scoring? I've enjoyed some cues, but sadly, nothing has been very interesting. I know she can produce amazing work based on her previous stuff. Also, I wonder if the score would've been more cohesive if all her music had been kept in and not replaced with JW's theme.

 

I'm just hoping the second half of the show is better. But then again, it's SW, and I think they've wanted to play it safe with the show rather than taking necessary risks

[Chen G. 3,161]

1 hour ago, enderdrag64 said:

Owen also never learns the names of the droids he bought in ANH

 

I know, I know, you could rationalize it all.

 

Just like you can rationalize that Vader is Luke's father in the original film and Ben is lying to him. But you can just feel that's not the case. The rationalization is all after-the-fact.

 

The continuity in Star Wars is extremly haphazard.

[Fabulin 3,442]

1 hour ago, dylanskie said:

I prefer the prequels over the other movies because of the world-building and more believable aspects (rather than Luke being a cartoonish hero figure, which was fine for the time period of the originals but never resonated with me)—and I was hoping that this show would resemble the prequels more than the originals in that respect. (which doesn't make any sense because they're too different time periods, but whatever)

As a child I used to find Luke boring and too uncharismatic to be the main character, and preferred Anakin and Obi-wan who at least had some character traits.

[Bespin 6,993]

Luke, the main character of Star Wars?

 

[DarthDementous 952]

4 hours ago, Chen G. said:

 

Well, in that film Owen also lived for some time with C3PO and saw R2D2, and he has no memory of either of them in the original film...

 

Star Wars had never been good at continuity. Just like how Obi-Wan was "a name I hadn't heard in a long time" when, if this show's to be believed, he heard it not nine or eight years prior.

I agree that the Prequels do a poor job matching up with the OT in this regard, however I wouldn’t use them as the standard for continuity

 

It’s really interesting looking at how the EU treated the Prequel era before the movies came out, it’s more in line with the OT in the sense it comes off as this ancient conflict. Interestingly it also suggests that the enemies were clones and that the Republic tried to employ some of that technology to compete, even attempting cloning Jedi which had disastrous effects

 

I can’t recall if any specific numbers were given but it certainly seems more significant than the rather truncated single war that was presented in the Prequels

[Chen G. 3,161]

26 minutes ago, DarthDementous said:

I agree that the Prequels do a poor job matching up with the OT in this regard,

 

Not just the prequel trilogy: The Empire Strikes Back doesn't line up with the original terribly well (we've been over this) and Lor knows the sister reveal in Return of the Jedi doesn't jive with either of those two in the least.

 

Star Wars was always like this, and in a sense was always going to be like this.

[DarthDementous 952]

1 hour ago, Chen G. said:

 

Not just the prequel trilogy: The Empire Strikes Back doesn't line up with the original terribly well (we've been over this) and Lor knows the sister reveal in Return of the Jedi doesn't jive with either of those two in the least.

 

Star Wars was always like this, and in a sense was always going to be like this.

I don’t think we have in regards to whether Empire Strikes Back lines up terribly well with A New Hope. What’s your take?

[DarthDementous 952]

Some interesting comparison images of Alderaan between ROTS and Kenobi. Crazy to think the former came out nearly two decades ago, truly ahead of its time visually:

[LSH 830]

That's also a major issue in this series... the world building aspect (my favourite thing about Star Wars) is severely lacking.

 

The Mandalorian was [mostly] brilliant at this. Every location here feels so boring.

[greenturnedblue 291]

I thought the blade Runner world from episode two was pretty sweet but the planet in episode 3 was definitely pretty lame

[Holko 8,205]

Was the colour grading guy on his year off?

[Not Mr. Big 4,210]

9 minutes ago, Holko said:

Was the colour grading guy on his year off?

He's colorblind 

[greenturnedblue 291]

Would be nice if they had one

[Luke Skywalker 1,505]

11 hours ago, enderdrag64 said:

Owen also never learns the names of the droids he bought in ANH. You could argue it's possible for him to have recognized R2-D2 but he barely even saw him in AOTC. C-3PO looked completely different and the only thing that he might've recognized was the name which Luke never got to tell him before he was killed

The moment luke says they belong to obi wan kenobi, owen wants to wipe them out and be done with it…you could say that the adds 2 and 2 together….

 

but it is a post-sequels explanation, it was not there in the original film. Like obi wan lying about lukes father. You can see he avoids eye contact with luke when saying anakin was killed with darth vader. As if he were telling a lie…. But probably is a coincidence of the performance.

 

 

 

Am i reading rumours of a season 2 already? 
 

cant they just make an isolated miniseries for once?

 

who knows maybe season 2 is fully scored by Ross…..

[Chen G. 3,161]

19 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

Like obi wan lying about lukes father. You can see he avoids eye contact with luke when saying anakin was killed with darth vader. As if he were telling a lie

 

Or just because its a painful memory and that's how Guinness plays painful?

 

To me, all these kind of retcon explanations always feel hollow.

[Luke Skywalker 1,505]

1 hour ago, Chen G. said:

 

Or just because its a painful memory and that's how Guinness plays painful?

 

To me, all these kind of retcon explanations always feel hollow.

I said in my message that it is a retcon, that it was a coincidence in guiness performance…

[DarthDementous 952]

15 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

I said in my message that it is a retcon, that it was a coincidence in guiness performance…

@Chen G. You seem to have a habit of being reductive when you respond to people

 

I think your ideas are well thought out but I wish you listened a bit better to what people are saying

[Andy 2,526]

I know people are angry that Vader let the flames stop him, but this is the same guy who could've lept through the closing blast door in ANH after cutting Ben down.   Maybe there's a reason he's allowing Ben to escape, just as he let the rebels leave with a tracking device on the Falcon.

[Chen G. 3,161]

23 minutes ago, Andy said:

this is the same guy who could've lept through the closing blast door in ANH after cutting Ben down.

 

Oh please, THAT Vader was basically just Tarkin's muscle. A glorified uber-Stormtrooper.

[Andy 2,526]

Am I mistaken, or has Lucasfilm stopped doing novelizations after Rise of Skywalker?

 

I ask because this is where gaps in logic can sometimes be made more tolerable.  If we had authors getting inside the heads of the characters, we could easily accept these little inconsistencies that hang up our enjoyment.

 

I hereby submit two  excerpts from the non-existent Obi-Wan novellization:

 

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As the flames rose even higher, Anakin could sense Obi-Wan's retreat.  "Sonofabitch, you're not getting away to any goddam high ground this time", he thought.  He charged forward, when suddenly the red blinky light on his chest box sent a piercing alarm to the area where his ears once were, breaking his concentration and reminding him that like the Stormtroopers, his prototype iron lung could filter out the smoke, but not the toxic gases produced by the burning Mapuzo crystals.  "Well, shit", he thought, frustrated by another limitation of his latest suit "upgrade".  Anakin considered throwing his saber through the flames with precision to decapitate the moofmilker who probably had an affair with sweet sweet Padme, but instead ordered his troops, "Bring him to me."

 

And...

 

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Obi-Wan grimaced as he walked past the Stormtrooper, bisected at the midsection by the laser gates.  "That's so Wizard", he thought as he contemplated the cauterization preventing any intestinal spillage.  For a brief moment, he considered harvesting some flesh for his pet Eeopie back on Tatooine.  But no, his heart was pounding, his mind whirling as he frantically eyed the trooper, the lasers, and then back to the trooper.  "Aw hell, no" he thought.  "Wait a minute.  How did this happen?  We're smarter than this!" he thought, as he readied himself to do a Jedi leap above the three beams.  But his aching hamstrings, no doubt a consequence of leaning down so frequently to chastise little Leia, reminded him he was physically exhausted, and his connection to the Force was clouded by the sharp throb in his quadriceps.  Desperate for a solution he shouted, "Master Qui-Gon!  Help me!"  His pulse quickened as the only response taking center in his mind was that the lasers were the same type he'd used to surgically remove that forehead wart a few cycles ago.  His mind was everywhere and nowhere all at once, thinking of his real baby brother, and Anakin, his Force Brother.  If only he'd learned to concentrate on the here and now and be mindful of the Living Force.  Damn you, Qui-Gon.

 

"Fuck it", he said, grabbing the blaster and turning the laser gate control module into a smelly mess of ozone and sparking wires.  The beams vanished, and Obi-Wan ran through, chastising himself for not taking the high ground and climbing up around the edges of the ravine where the gate emitters were positioned.  "I'm getting too old for this sort of thing”, he thought, limping onward and cursing that nerf-herding bootlicker that picked up those Troopers.

 

[Brónach 791]

Star Wars has arguably been hurt from the beginning by the twist choices in Empire and Jedi and the weird continuity issues introduced in the prequels.

[Chen G. 3,161]

That’s a tricky one: did the father reveal hurt the series? It’s arguably the thing that made it last: it gave it substance beyond the gee-wiz effects.

 

I would argue the sister reveal was the problematic one.

[GerateWohl 2,822]

16 hours ago, DarthDementous said:

Some interesting comparison images of Alderaan between ROTS and Kenobi. Crazy to think the former came out nearly two decades ago, truly ahead of its time visually:

And the music was much better then.

[Andy 2,526]

47 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

That’s a tricky one: did the father reveal hurt the series? It’s arguably the thing that made it last: it gave it substance beyond the gee-wiz effects.

 

I would argue the sister reveal was the problematic one.

Oh absolutely. 
 

I was almost 11 years old when the local paper leaked the Leia reveal the day before the premiere!  So kids in school were spoiling it before I would see it the next day.  Not only was I pissed that it was spoiled, I was angry with the idea of Leia as the sister.  Other than wrapping the love triangle and giving Vader some leverage, the story really could’ve done without it.  In fact, I think it hurt it more than helped. 

[Chen G. 3,161]

It was definitely a lame attempt to recapture the lightning of the father reveal, and it was that reveal - not the father reveal - which turned the series into a glorified soap opera.

[Jurassic Shark 9,744]

Still you use your spare time talking about it.

[Andy 2,526]

You’re not wrong @Jurassic Shark  

 

I love Star Wars.  Full on adoration.   I love Rise of Skywalker.  I love Episode I. 
 

Sometimes I can’t help myself but dabble in some discussion.  But when I find myself having to defend, I get exhausted and withdraw.  I just have grown so tired of getting nowhere with some of that kind of thing. 
 

If I could have back all the time I’ve spent on the Internet debating the Prequels, I’d be a happy man. 

[Jurassic Shark 9,744]

I was referring to Chen, who seems to think Star Wars should be like Shakespeare.

[Brando 1,040]

42 minutes ago, Andy said:

You’re not wrong @Jurassic Shark  

 

I love Star Wars.  Full on adoration.   I love Rise of Skywalker.  I love Episode I. 
 

Sometimes I can’t help myself but dabble in some discussion.  But when I find myself having to defend, I get exhausted and withdraw.  I just have grown so tired of getting nowhere with some of that kind of thing. 
 

If I could have back all the time I’ve spent on the Internet debating the Prequels, I’d be a happy man. 

Hey, a fellow nerd nerd like me! I thought I was alone...

[Andy 2,526]

Right on, brother!

 

When Star Wars sticks the landing, there’s nothing better. 
 

When it disappoints, it’s still better than most anything else. 

[DarthDementous 952]

3 hours ago, GerateWohl said:

And the music was much better then.

Despite being very critical of the Prequels that whole ending sequence of ROTS makes me extremely emotional

 

Always feels like the end of an era, and Williams scored it beautifully, as if it was his last contribution to Star Wars

 

Hearing Luke’s theme in a nostalgic and uplifting ANH style way is just aghhh my heart 

 

4 hours ago, Brónach said:

Star Wars has arguably been hurt from the beginning by the twist choices in Empire and Jedi and the weird continuity issues introduced in the prequels.

Not having Vader’s character arc would be a massive blow to the emotional resonance of the OT

 

Luke turning Vader in ROTJ doesn’t work nearly as well without the setup in ESB

[Bespin 6,993]

Note to myself: ask @Jayfor an Incel Blocker feature for the forum.

[karelm 2,639]

On 01/06/2022 at 4:50 PM, greenturnedblue said:

It wouldve been neat if when Obiwan first saw Vader he said "Anakin?" as if he didnt want to admit it was Anakin inside the suit. then Vader could say "That name no longer has any meaning to me" calling back to the line in RotJ

I totally agree.  In fact, third sister shouldn't have known that was his name.  that was a misstep.  She should only know him as Vader.

On 03/06/2022 at 4:58 AM, Chen G. said:

At any rate, it does feel as though Vader didn't do remotely enough to try and catch Obi-Wan.

 

I think that point is clear.

I frankly wish they had more of a stare down.  '60's western style.  No words and no engagement at all.  Just let the eyes, body, and music tell the story for a minute of just tense build before Ben escapes since he's been found.  He knows he'll lose.  And leave it at that.  That totally would have worked if they had faith in the fans.  @Jaycan this thread title be changed to include "spoilers" since this is on demand and I handn't seen the episode, not realizing what happened till minutes ago.  Would prefer not to know ahead of time that this is a spoiler thread.  

 

 

[BLUMENKOHL 1,065]

This show has heart, but my god the technical production is terrible. 
 

The action sequences have all the energy of an asthmatic snail crawling on a salt flat. 

[greenturnedblue 291]

2 hours ago, DarthDementous said:

Despite being very critical of the Prequels that whole ending sequence of ROTS makes me extremely emotional

Agreed and also iirc it was very emotional for the musicians in the studio recording everything especially the moment Vaders mask is lowered on. So much care was taken with that scene the effects artists even made Vaders first breath disturb the air in front of his 'mouth' on the mask. I didnt feel the suit up scene in Obi Wan had nearly the same weight. It should have been painful and traumatic to attach the limbs with Vader in agony but alas, they just click on like Legos