OBI-WAN KENOBI (Disney+ series)

[Van_Etten 111]

 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Looks great!

[Holko 9,499]

eh

[Disco Stu 15,495]

1 minute ago, Holko said:

eh

 

no surprises here!

[Brando 1,856]

3 hours ago, Brando said:

Then again I’m almost sure they won’t show us Vader at all in any promotional material 

Breathing doesn't count, right?

[badbu 123]

Korah Rahtamah!!!

[Holko 9,499]

I groaned negatively for DotF

[Smeltington 1,436]

2 minutes ago, Holko said:

I groaned negatively for DotF

 

Look how they massacred my boy...

[filmmusic 1,823]

I was wondering: Haven't you guys had enough of Star Wars?

I don't know, I'm content with just the original trilogy. Just like Thor is content with ost presentations.

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

1 minute ago, filmmusic said:

I was wondering: Haven't you guys had enough of Star Wars?

I don't know, I'm content with just the original trilogy. Just like Thor is content with ost presentations.

 

Not if they keep roping Williams back to it.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

5 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

I was wondering: Haven't you guys had enough of Star Wars?

I don't know, I'm content with just the original trilogy. Just like Thor is content with ost presentations.

 

I want more!  Feed me!

[Smeltington 1,436]

5 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

I was wondering: Haven't you guys had enough of Star Wars?

I don't know, I'm content with just the original trilogy. Just like Thor is content with ost presentations.

 

yes!

 

3 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said:

 

Not if they keep roping Williams back to it.

 

and yes! Plus it turns out that Powell and Goransson came up with some cool stuff.

 

It's cool to see Ewan again, but everything else about the show looks really generic otherwise.

[Tom Guernsey 2,280]

7 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

I was wondering: Haven't you guys had enough of Star Wars?

I don't know, I'm content with just the original trilogy. Just like Thor is content with ost presentations.

I would counter with being more disappointed that they don’t seem that great at exploring the Star Wars universe in interesting ways. If there’s scope for endless Star Trek or Marvel movies and shows of various styles then really the same should be true if the Star Wars universe. However they seem to end up gravitating towards the same planets, tropes and endless fan service so it kinda feels tedious when in fact it need not be. Sadly there’s almost too much riding in it so they don’t seem to want to risk it. Of course you might feel entirely the same about Star Trek and Marvel… 

[filmmusic 1,823]

2 minutes ago, Tom Guernsey said:

Of course you might feel entirely the same about Star Trek and Marvel… 

Yeah, It seems I'm not a fan of franchises. 

I couldn't even finish Harry Potter. I haven't seen the last 2 movies.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

We are all the gluttony victim in Se7en, except we will be murdered with IP content

[j39m 75]

16 minutes ago, filmmusic said:

Haven't you guys had enough of Star Wars?

 

10 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

I want more!  Feed me!

 

If Lucasfilm ran a foie gras farm, I'd be their first dish. It's a vice, I know.

 

Part of me hopes that if I watch long enough, I'll see interesting musical connections (a JW heir, an unexpected callback that I really enjoy, etc.). I've been pleasantly surprised by the two non-JW-penned cameos of "March of the Resistance," and it's fun — albeit extremely time-inefficient — to look for more.

[Tom Guernsey 2,280]

1 minute ago, filmmusic said:

Yeah, It seems I'm not a fan of franchises. 

I couldn't even finish Harry Potter. I haven't seen the last 2 movies.

That’s fair enough. Sometimes there isn’t enough story to maintain your interest. I just think they need to move round the Star Wars universe way more. When half of it comes down to laser fights in dusty towns it’s kinda missing the possibilities of being set in a time and place that isn’t our own. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I dunno, I just really enjoy watching the Mandoverse shows and I hope that continues with Obi-Wan.  So many people say they're tired of it all but from my perspective Star Wars is finally in a really good spot and I couldn't be happier about it.

[LSH 968]

59 minutes ago, Van_Etten said:

 

Great. Wonderful. 

 

Now announce the damn composer!

[Tom Guernsey 2,280]

3 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

We are all the gluttony victim in Se7en, except we will be murdered with IP content

If you don’t watch it you’ll be the head in a box. 

Just now, LSH said:

 

Great. Wonderful. 

 

Now announce the damn composer!

Yeah it’s getting annoying now haha 

[Positivatee 327]

1 hour ago, Van_Etten said:

 

 

Right in the goddamn feels. I'm bawling. 

[Tydirium 1,166]

Man, the show looks great, but that Grand Inquisitor looks like garbage compared to his Rebels version and especially the Pau'ans in ROTS.

[Edmilson 7,392]

How many Inquisitors are there in the Star Wars universe? Rebels and Fallen Order have at least two or three each. 

[KK 3,307]

Trailer didn't look great visually, but I liked how the music was used. And always down for more Ewan McGregor.

 

Might actually watch this one...

[rough cut 1,714]

Let’s fill in another backstory nobody asked for.

[Bellosh 3,389]

1 hour ago, Holko said:

I groaned negatively for DotF

 

DotF is essentially just a hype track in the Star Wars universe now, for better or worse.

[Tom Guernsey 2,280]

3 minutes ago, rough cut said:

Let’s fill in another back story nobody asked for.

Hopefully it'll have flashbacks to his childhood Bantha farming or whatever.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

6 minutes ago, Bellosh said:

 

DotF is essentially just a hype track in the Star Wars universe now, for better or worse.

 

Personally I thought it appropriate to use here since Obi-Wan was in the scene that cue was written for.

[Edmilson 7,392]

2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

since Obi-Wan was in the scene that cue was written for.

The end credits from The Phantom Menace? 

 

[Bellosh 3,389]

Just now, Disco Stu said:

 

Personally I thought it appropriate to use here since Obi-Wan was in the scene that cue was written for.

 

I'm not saying it's bad that it gets used that way. It's always pleasant to hear no matter the occasion.  It's why JW is just so good.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Hoo boy, I only just looked up who's writing this show and his resume is not.... inspiring.

 

His two most recent produced film screenplays are the stupid Guy Ritchie King Arthur movie and the stupid Zack Snyder zombie movie (the one from last year).

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joby_Harold

[Bellosh 3,389]

How about the casting of Joel Edgerton as Owen in the Prequels when he was relatively unknown and now he's a terrific actor with lots of good movies and roles under his belt. 

 

Excited to see him back as Owen in this!

 

They lucked out with that original casting!

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

Nice. 

 

But yes, the inquisitor looms strange. 

[Quintus 5,399]

I doubt younger members will fully appreciate my rather wistful point, but Star Wars originally held an almost supernaturally mystical status when it was part of the past classics pantheon of western cinema, an untouched one-off of a legendary trilogy, eminently looked back on as being the predominant science fiction phenomenon of the Reagan era. There were no sequels and none were ever really expected; and the fans, casuals and die-hards alike, were actually fine with that - it allowed the Luke Skywalker saga to "bed-in" and become entrenched as a major nostalgic mainstay of popular culture at the time and for almost fifteen years after: it was always just Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi, and people would rewatch them over and over like Bond movies, like Bridge Over the River Kwai and The Great Escape. That's why they became endlessly quotable and constantly referenced everywhere. The Star Wars trilogy was a sacrosanct icon of American cinema, locked in time. 

 

Nowadays it's treated like the latest Assassin's Creed instalment, watered down to the point where the extraordinary "magic" has all but evaporated and been replaced with curdled cow's milk, to be forcibly twisted from the teat on demand, ready for the next "audience engagement". 

 

Disclosure: I really liked The Mandalorian overall, but that doesn't mean I don't also lament the changing and diminishing of Star Wars as a part of the untouched lexicon of exceptional cultural highlights. 

 

I sound like a jaded old superfan here, but the irony of my remarks is that I didn't even bother to watch it (the trilogy) till my late teens (the 90s), and whilst I enjoyed a short fad of personal fandom, I was never that into it after. Yet I had always appreciated its status and its impact. It makes me feel a little sad to see it's ongoing basardisation now, and this latest spin off may as well have been produced by Ubisoft. 

 

But I'm sure it'll be "fine". Though something else, something of abstract significance, shall nevertheless be lost. I guess time moves on. 

[Chen G. 3,943]

I get your argument, but much the same could also be said about back when it was just one film...

[Quintus 5,399]

No, because a mere three years was all there was till the enormous sequel. There was no necessary passage of time for the things I'm talking about to occur and manifest. 

[Bayesian 1,359]

I'm happy I popped back into this thread today--a new trailer (replete with trailerized JW music), new first-look pics, a magazine cover, and new tweets! The Disney hype machine is off to a good start with this one.

[Romão 2,274]

I hate when they "trailerize" JW's music. It's so tasteless. The prequels did use his music quite well in the trailers without any need to "make it more epic and stuff"

[A. A. Ron 1,738]

4 hours ago, filmmusic said:

I was wondering: Haven't you guys had enough of Star Wars?

I’ve had enough bad Star Wars, that’s for sure, but it’s like Game of Thrones. When it was good, it was really good. I honestly believe with the right writing that show could have stayed interesting forever. Star Wars 77 and Empire are goddamn classics and sequels or spin-offs that are just as good could absolutely be made today. No one’s ever pulled it off IMO and it may never happen, but that doesn’t mean that it can’t be done.

[bored 306]

Looked somewhat interesting. I think the use of themes was somewhat well done, almost giving the backstory to Obi-Wan by themselves. Though I also hate the tasteless trailer versions of Williams' material.

 

The Grand Inquisitor is baffling because we all know he was beat by lesser Jedi than Obi, so he probably can't beat him in a fight, and we know old Ben isn't going to kill him. But Hayden Christenson is back as Anakin, so maybe we'll get something interesting there? Hopefully at least an improved performance from the prequels if nothing else. 

[KK 3,307]

1 hour ago, Romão said:

I hate when they "trailerize" JW's music. It's so tasteless. The prequels did use his music quite well in the trailers without any need to "make it more epic and stuff"

 

I'd normally agree with you. But considering how trashy most modern trailers are (cough Amazon's LOTR cough), I honestly think this is as good as it gets for classic franchise trailer music these days.

[mstrox 6,647]

Looks like it’ll be a dumb show about people swinging laser swords at each other.  Right up my alley.

[Pellaeon 593]

Blech, why does it remind me of “Picard”? Pass.

[rough cut 1,714]

I showed the trailer to my wife.

 

Duel Of The Fates definitely got to her right from the start (“fantastic music”).

 

She really enjoyed the rest of it as well, maybe enjoying the feeling she got more than actually reflecting about what the show might actually be about, (“great trailer”).

 

She did have some concerns about Obi-Wan’s role in the show, whether he would just kind of hide in the shadows trying to do good, and not being caught (“He’s not going to fight at all?”)
 

Then we joked about that the show is about an old man who’s new job is to lurk distantly while weirdly watching a boy growing up.

 

[JNHFan2000 2,944]

Obi-Wan is going let loose in this series. I'm not worried about that.

I loved the trailer and the thing that popped into my head when I saw it was that at the beginning of this show Obi-Wan is sort of depressed and isolated from what happened in Revenge Of The Sith. This trailer I think shows that side of the story.

 

But they promised us a Obi-Wan Vs. Vader fight, so Obi-Wan will definitely come out of 'hiding' so to speak.

 

Also you can see in the trailers that he's doens't just stay on Tatooine. He's on other planets as well.

[1977 1,743]

20 hours ago, Tom Guernsey said:

When half of it comes down to laser fights in dusty towns it’s kinda missing the possibilities of being set in a time and place that isn’t our own. 

 

Could it be a budget thing perhaps?

 

39 minutes ago, JNHFan2000 said:

at the beginning of this show movie Obi-Wan Luke is sort of depressed and isolated from what happened in Revenge Of The Sith after Return of the Jedi.

 

Mmmmm....

[Romão 2,274]

I had originally meant to write this fairly long tirade in The Book of Boba Fett thread, but it also applies here, I think.

 

Stories and universes like Lord of the Rings and Dune, beyond their bare plot mechanics, take indeed their power and appeal from the details. The world building and its inner coherence are more important than the plot itself, and serve to inform and sustain the story in such an integral way, that the whole construct would collapse without that conceptual backbone. In many ways, the world-building IS the story, so there are no extraneous details that exist solely to fatten the universe without any real purpose beyond giving a simulacrum of complexity.

 

Now, I don't see Star Wars in the same light as those two universes. Star Wars was never about world-building. It was never about a fully fleshed out universe, coherent in its rules and concepts, without which the whole illusion would collapse. No, I've always seen Star Wars as a much more impressionistic creation. The background details don't really matter on their own. They only matter when matched with the main story to form a unified and inseparable illusion. A mythical, archetypical story, yes,  told many times before, but blended in with such a wide array of aesthetical influences to create a considerably original whole. 

 

Star Wars is much more about what is implied, but never stated, about the surrounding universe, than about outright explaining it and filling every possible narrative gap. The universe around Star Wars is the background for the main story, it gives it color and identity, but it never was the main story itself, it never was the crucial backbone for the narrative. That's one the reasons why JW's musical approach worked so well for those movies, it blended the story and the background, but never in a literal way, never in a constricting way, it never locked our imagination into a single option. By not being descriptive, by not being literal, the music made all those narrative gaps feel alive and fertile ground for our own imagination to do the bulk of the filling of the background details.

 

I don't want to see the interior of a Sarlaac. I don't want to know the inner workings of Tusken culture. I don't want to know how Stormtroopers train. I didn't even want to know how the Clone Wars actually happened. Those sort of lore-filling details are fine on the back of the packaging of an action figure, or in a trading card or even in a Video Game. Once you make them happen in live-action, it's like suddenly they actually become real and much harder to ignore. And they subsequently change the way one is able to experience those original films. It taints them. It constricts the imagination.

 

I equate Star Wars almost to a Bizantine or Roman mosaic. When seen as a whole, it looks marvelous:

 

 

But if I isolate and zoom in on some of its tiles, the effect is totally lost

 

 

Like I said, Star Wars always felt much more impressionist to me. The details don't matter. The overall effect is paramount. Focusing on the details is actually detrimental to the whole experience and effect.

 

These TV shows are giving us tiles, not mosaics

 

[Tom Guernsey 2,280]

44 minutes ago, Romão said:

I had originally meant to write this fairly long tirade in The Book of Boba Fett thread, but it also applies here, I think.

 

Stories and universes like Lord of the Rings and Dune, beyond their bare plot mechanics, take indeed their power and appeal from the details. The world building and its inner coherence are more important than the plot itself, and serve to inform and sustain the story in such an integral way, that the whole construct would collapse without that conceptual backbone. In many ways, the world-building IS the story, so there are no extraneous details that exist solely to fatten the universe without any real purpose beyond giving a simulacrum of complexity.

 

Now, I don't see Star Wars in the same light as those two universes. Star Wars was never about world-building. It was never about a fully fleshed out universe, coherent in its rules and concepts, without which the whole illusion would collapse. No, I've always seen Star Wars as a much more impressionistic creation. The background details don't really matter on their own. They only matter when matched with the main story to form a unified and inseparable illusion. A mythical, archetypical story, yes,  told many times before, but blended in with such a wide array of aesthetical influences to create a considerably original whole. 

 

Star Wars is much more about what is implied, but never stated, about the surrounding universe, than about outright explaining it and filling every possible narrative gap. The universe around Star Wars is the background for the main story, it gives it color and identity, but it never was the main story itself, it never was the crucial backbone for the narrative. That's one the reasons why JW's musical approach worked so well for those movies, it blended the story and the background, but never in a literal way, never in a constricting way, it never locked our imagination into a single option. By not being descriptive, by not being literal, the music made all those narrative gaps feel alive and fertile ground for our own imagination to do the bulk of the filling of the background details.

 

I don't want to see the interior of a Sarlaac. I don't want to know the inner workings of Tusken culture. I don't want to know how Stormtroopers train. I didn't even want to know how the Clone Wars actually happened. Those sort of lore-filling details are fine on the back of the packaging of an action figure, or in a trading card or even in a Video Game. Once you make them happen in live-action, it's like suddenly they actually become real and much harder to ignore. And they subsequently change the way one is able to experience those original films. It taints them. It constricts the imagination.

 

I equate Star Wars almost to a Bizantine or Roman mosaic. When seen as a whole, it looks marvelous:

 

 

But if I isolate and zoom in on some of its tiles, the effect is totally lost

 

 

Like I said, Star Wars always felt much more impressionist to me. The details don't matter. The overall effect is paramount. Focusing on the details is actually detrimental to the whole experience and effect.

 

These TV shows are giving us tiles, not mosaics

 

Great post... but seriously, you don't want to know how Figrin D'an and the Modal Nodes came together? Shame ;-)

[GerateWohl 4,337]

When my sons saw the teaser their only comment was "Why is the inquisitor so fat?"

[Bespin 8,480]

I think they had problems to hide the actual hair of the actor under this shower cap.