gkgyver 1,645 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 It's false advertising for one. It's a chore to listen to, as well. Anything else is secondary. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted August 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2019 I say it's incredibly lucky we got anything like this, and I'd rather have an official iso-like album than have the pittance we normally get. bollemanneke, 1977 and That_Bloke 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 This album has a terrible reputation, yes, but I for one am very glad we got this. There are many unreleased cues included here that were missing from the OST album. That said, this is not the definite complete version, not by a long shot. We're still waiting for it. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I learned about this release shortly after I found the unreleased score album for Back To The Future on Napster (remember that? LOL). I was thrilled and my parents was able to get it for me. I'll be honest back then I really loved it and listened to it A LOT. I did NOT care about the clunky edits and such back then, after all I was young and dumb. But yes as others have said it's because it's practically an isolated score. Clunky edits, looped material...no unused music at all and as someone else posted that Sony said it was EVERY note recorded for the film but it was not. If you're good at editing music listening to an intended complete edit is so much better than this clunky thing. It's coarse, it's rough and it gets everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I found out about it from an ad in the Star Wars Insider. Then I got it at Borders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 1977 1,743 Posted August 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 28, 2019 8 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Why so negative? We're only August. You don't honestly think they'll let TROS AND the TPM anniversary pass without anything spectacular? Um, yes I do. Jurassic Shark, crumbs and ZenLogic101 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: I found out about it from an ad in the Star Wars Insider. Then I got it at Borders. I got mine from Borders too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Porkins 53 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I was very grateful for this release and I still am. What a treat to get some great music left off the OST such as "Anakin Wins." I never really understood the complaints about the presentation. Most of us do our own edits anyways. Thanks to all the complaining, we never got AOTC or ROTS and it still makes me sad that I have to rely on the bootlegs to hear some of John's greatest Star Wars music. My only complaint is that it doesn't sound as good as the OST. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, Darth Porkins said: Anakin Wins That is a great little piece! Darth Porkins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Share your TPM playlists! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Qui-Gon, Darth Maul and the Invisible Wall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 OST Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 OST, because after how great listening to the HP set was after months of abstinence, I deleted all my expanded bootleg everything SW and Indy playlists, only kept the SW demasters (Indy OSTs are no good at all) so the eventual complete sets will be all the more sweet. It's frustrating because TPM is one of Johnny's most rewarding complete listens and one of his worst most choppy OSTs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Sadly I think we'll still be waiting many years for any movement on the SW or Indy front. But hey, what's two more years when we've already waited over two decades? bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Darth Porkins said: I was very grateful for this release and I still am. What a treat to get some great music left off the OST such as "Anakin Wins." I never really understood the complaints about the presentation. Most of us do our own edits anyways. Thanks to all the complaining, we never got AOTC or ROTS and it still makes me sad that I have to rely on the bootlegs to hear some of John's greatest Star Wars music. My only complaint is that it doesn't sound as good as the OST. Do we know that complaining JW fans are responsible for the absence of any AOTC or ROTS expansions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Complaining JWFans are responsible for most of the bad stuff that's happening in the world. Deacon Blues and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Darth Porkins said: I never really understood the complaints about the presentation. Most of us do our own edits anyways. Switching out a cue with an alternate, or joining a few tracks one personally likes better together than apart in an already close to intended program that provides everything is a little bit different than having to make mockups or scavenge through video game music files and DVD menus for 20 years to be able to approximate the composer's much better actual vision because the supposed "ultimate" release is missing a not insignificant amount of it and doesn't have any clean endings or openings to allow for the easy restoration of the replaced or misplaced and edited cues. Do it properly if you have the chance or fuck off. AotC and RotS are even worse I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 I enjoyed this album and still have it. It's not ideal and I much prefer something like the RCA edition but it included many of the tracks that I missed when listening to the first album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 3 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Do we know that complaining JW fans are responsible for the absence of any AOTC or ROTS expansions? I think its probably down to poor sales, the bottom line drives everything. Whether a properly handled C&C release would have impacted sales positively, who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 23 hours ago, Holko said: Thor, why the hell do you feel the need to stick your nose into matters you know and say you have no idea about and will never actually care about? Thor has as much right to contribute in any thread on this forum as you have. If you have a problem with his post please address the specific issue rather than the fact that he made a post. Thank you. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,055 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 #StefanForModerator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 Jay hasn't been training a partner. He's been training a replacement. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 23 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Thor has as much right to contribute in any thread on this forum as you have. If you have a problem with his post please address the specific issue rather than the fact that he made a post. Thank you. Thor may have that right, but he provides as much value in an expanded soundtrack thread as you provide in a video game thread or I in a James Bond thread. And Holko has the right to comment on said lack of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 28, 2019 Share Posted August 28, 2019 That isnt relevant though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted September 1, 2019 Share Posted September 1, 2019 I love this album. My only complaint is the breaking up of so many cues into really short tracks. If it was put together like the SW Special Editions it would be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 It generally flows really well. It's a great listen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deacon Blues 65 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 On 8/28/2019 at 4:05 AM, JTWfan77 said: My biggest gripe is that we never got UEs of AotC and RotS. As flawed as this UE may be, at least we got a good chunk of music unavailable on the OST. Who knows how long we will have to wait for expanded releases of the prequels. This year marking the 20th anniversary of TPM seemed to be the ideal opportunity, yet we got nothing. Perhaps after TRoS? Who knows. Maybe we'll get expanded sets for the Prequels as promotion for "Rise of Skywalker". It's a bit of a stretch, but maybe. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 I'm more worried there will be a Star Wars "burnout" after The Rise of Skywalker where any chance to release the expanded prequel scores would be squandered by poor sales, and that the 2018 remasters didn't help either. A similar phenomenon occurred with The Lord of the Rings until the new renaissance of material (merchandise, books, media etc.) had been resurrected by both the Hobbit trilogy, and the upcoming advent of the TV series. I think the best time to have released expanded sets of the Star Wars prequel scores would've been following the success of The Force Awakens back in 2015/16, when Star Wars had well and truly returned... 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 The studios are likely to regard film scores as disposable assets. It's not worth the investment like lunchboxes, notepads, and ooshie toys are. Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 It's just background music from movies. It doesn't even make money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 3 hours ago, Arpy said: A similar phenomenon occurred with The Lord of the Rings until the new renaissance of material You mean like the CRs coming out a couple years after the movies were done, that sold well enough that they got reprinted 10 years later when even the Hobbit hype died down already? A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 24 minutes ago, Holko said: You mean like the CRs coming out a couple years after the movies were done, that sold well enough that they got reprinted 10 years later when even the Hobbit hype died down already? As we know, though, that was a long fought war of attrition and wasn't guaranteed a reprint. Ten years wait for a reprint doesn't scream success. 1977 and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted September 2, 2019 Share Posted September 2, 2019 The Ultimate Edition was indeed a god-sent when it came out (considering I think the OST album isn't the best representation of the score as a whole) but wasn't up to the standards (even back then) of what we were accustomed to with a complete score release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeH 768 Posted September 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted September 2, 2019 6 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: It's just background music from movies. It doesn't even make money Ahem. Background songs. The Illustrious Jerry, Incanus and A. A. Ron 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 All this talk about the UE spurred me to give it a spin for the first time in a very long time. And two tracks jumped out at me— Street Band of Mos Espa, and Desert Winds. What do people think about them? These percussive and alien-folksy tracks are quite fun but sound nothing like Star Wars. They seem diegetic but I don’t know what scenes they play in. Do we count them in the same category as Cantina Band and Canto Bight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I think Joe Williams, JW's son, wrote both of those source cues. One of them plays in the background as Qui Jon confronts Watto after the podrace finishes. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 How neat; I never realized there was anyone else involved in composing the score (let alone his own son!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 He did the biker chase music in A.I. as well, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,493 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 He's worked with his father on a number of his scores, including THE RETURN OF THE JEDI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 It's true that Joseph Williams has collaborated with his father in some other contexts, but TPM was all John, including the Tatooine source music that plays in the background of several Most Espa scenes. There are three of those cues - one is presented twice on the UE, once with all instruments and once without the recorders. The reports that Joseph wrote these turned out to be incorrect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 I was happy to have that french horn statement when Maul retracts his saber. That was one of the main things I wanted after seeing the film. It had lots of problems, but man the sound quality cracks on that release. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 The first release I got was riddled with loud skips... did anyone else have that problem with their UE CD's? I saw a couple people in the Amazon reviews saying the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 Probably just edit points from all the microedits. 1 hour ago, Datameister said: The reports that Joseph wrote these turned out to be incorrect. Interesting. What about Dex's Diner from AOTC? I guess the closest thing to source music in ROTS would be that semi-diegetic music in the opera sequence, which Williams clearly wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 56 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: The first release I got was riddled with loud skips... did anyone else have that problem with their UE CD's? I saw a couple people in the Amazon reviews saying the same thing. I heard some units succumbed to CD rot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 53 minutes ago, crumbs said: Interesting. What about Dex's Diner from AOTC? I don't remember if we know definitely, but I think the consensus is that it was probably Joseph? Not as sure about that one as with TPM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said: The first release I got was riddled with loud skips... did anyone else have that problem with their UE CD's? I saw a couple people in the Amazon reviews saying the same thing. The two copies I had (I rebought it again years later) had no errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 6 hours ago, crumbs said: Probably just edit points from all the microedits. Interesting. What about Dex's Diner from AOTC? I guess the closest thing to source music in ROTS would be that semi-diegetic music in the opera sequence, which Williams clearly wrote. Dex's Diner was indeed by Joseph. The deigetic cue in ROTS was NOT by Williams. It was from stock music that Ben Burtt had. Part of it was also used in AOTC, although it's almost unhearable. 6 hours ago, Thekthithm said: I heard some units succumbed to CD rot. My CD was brand new when I bought it (around when it came out). The result is still the same to this day; the skipping hasn't gotten any worse. I have replaced my original album though and no longer have any issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted September 3, 2019 Share Posted September 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Dex's Diner was indeed by Joseph. The deigetic cue in ROTS was NOT by Williams. It was from stock music that Ben Burtt had. Part of it was also used in AOTC, although it's almost unhearable. I think you two might be referring to different pieces, crumbs seems to be talking about the main cue heard during the opera scene, not the short snippet that's heard while Anakin is entering the opera house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 24 minutes ago, DominicCobb said: I think you two might be referring to different pieces, crumbs seems to be talking about the main cue heard during the opera scene, not the short snippet that's heard while Anakin is entering the opera house. Ah okay. My bad. Yes, that was of course by John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 Which would be 3m3 Palpatine's TV Set and 3m4 Palpatine's Big Pitch. Which covers the entire Opera scene and when Palpatine talks to Anakin about Darth Plagueis and other stuff. 3m3 Palpatine's TV set is on the OST track 6 0:00-1:37. 3m4 Palpatine's Big Pitch is only available through the games, although not all of 3m4 is there a segment towards the end has to be made with mockups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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