Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 2 hours ago, crocodile said: I ordered two albums so might not get this lucky. But we'll see. Better get used to it, soon you'll have to pay customs charges for everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted October 17, 2019 Share Posted October 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Better get used to it, soon you'll have to pay customs charges for everything. Just don't... Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 So this is weird... in the track "Air Force One In Trouble" the non alternate there's volume changes. Yet the alternate take doesn't have them. I wonder what the hell happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 I hope it is not a film stem situation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 19, 2019 Share Posted October 19, 2019 Probably is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Wojo 2,453 Posted October 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 19, 2019 14 hours ago, Trent B said: So this is weird... in the track "Air Force One In Trouble" the non alternate there's volume changes. Yet the alternate take doesn't have them. I wonder what the hell happened. Turbulence. crumbs, Florian and Ollie 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 11 hours ago, woj said: Turbulence. Turbulence. Solar radiation heats the Earth's crust, warm air rises, cold air descends - turbulence. I, I don't like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 This is your Captain speaking. Please remain in your seats. We will be experiencing...turbulence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Yep, starting at 2:40 the volume dips weirdly then comes back up at 2:50. Could just be how the take went, but could also be the film stem. Just rewatching my DVD of this and while the overall premise and is very ridiculous, it can't be denied that it's damn entertaining and well-executed for what it is. Goldsmith's score gives the film enough over-patriotism and seriousness that it works. An amusing thing is that of all of the ridicule the crashing shot gets (correctly - the end of the shot would look bad for a videogame nowadays), the other CGI in the film looks pretty solid - lots of action in the last 20 mins and it all looks fine. If only they'd found a better way to shoot the crash landing. Florian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Richard Penna said: Yep, starting at 2:40 the volume dips weirdly then comes back up at 2:50. Could just be how the take went, but could also be the film stem. It seems likely it's from the film stem. It's weird because there's no volume issues for this cue on the pristine bootleg and on the bootleg it's the same take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 What an obvious error. Who produced this expansion? Sean Murphy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Also some sort of editing artifact at 0.34. Sort of like the thing I hear when the music is buried under something so you wouldn't normally notice it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: What an obvious error. Who produced this expansion? Sean Murphy? Bruce Botnick remastered the score so it's possible with the remastering it just pulled out stuff you normally wouldn't hear but guessing not. I wished Mike Matessino had been able to helm this project. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 I thought Bruce was a reliable guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 He's got a good track record. He did remaster Star Trek The Motion Picture after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 Bruce Botnick is simply the best guy working in the industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 He concealed bits in the STTMP LLL full score that visibly remain in the OST version. The guy's lost it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Thekthithm said: He concealed bits in the STTMP LLL full score that visibly remain in the OST version. The guy's lost it. To which tracks are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Trent B said: To which tracks are you referring to? Leaving Drydock and End Credits. In the first track, the OST has this cool Goldsmithy electronic wailing at 1:38. In the expanded, it's gone. In the latter track, at 0:31 there are these synthy touches that made it interesting. Again, gone in the expanded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Thekthithm said: Leaving Drydock and End Credits. In the first track, the OST has this cool Goldsmithy electronic wailing at 1:38. In the expanded, it's gone. In the latter track, at 0:31 there are these synthy touches that made it interesting. Again, gone in the expanded. The synths you mention at least in Leaving Drydock are barely hearable in the film. The album mix on Disc 2 is almost the same but the mix version in the main body of the score are new and bring them out more. I believe it's the same situation for End Credits to what I mentioned too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Well they're not audible at all in the new version, which is just weird and annoying. And I have heard them in the film; a bit muffled, but they're there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Drax's hearing is beyond reproach! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Just now, Dixon Hill said: Drax's hearing is beyond reproach! Sigh, used to be, before June 2018 that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 You must not have good hearing. I can hear them just fine. Then again I do have ear tubes so that maybe why my hearing is a bit better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 5 minutes ago, Trent B said: You must not have good hearing. I can hear them just fine. Then again I do have ear tubes so that maybe why my hearing is a bit better. Thanks for the condescension, mate. They're not there in the expanded, or they're so mixed down, they're inaudible unless you're a bat. But they're plain as day in the OST and the film as they should be. Florian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Are you and I talking about the same release? I'm talking about the La-La Land version not the old 20th Anniversary release. Sorry didn't mean to seem like I was condescending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Yes, the LLL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Hmm...well as I said I for one can hear the synth you've mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 On the OST on disc 2, they're fine. Overt and vibrant. But on the film score program, you'd never know they were there if you weren't already familiar with the material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 Were'nt BOTH programs remastered by Botnick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: Were'nt BOTH programs remastered by Botnick? If you mean the OST and the LLL release then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,042 Posted October 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2019 Finally listening to this now. Meeeeee liiiiiiiiiike. I know the main theme well and I've seen the film several times over the years, but this is my first time listening on album. Glorious. Florian, Incanus and Trent B 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 Yea this new album is excellent, I listen to it daily at work Yesterday I tried something new, I made a playlist of just the new tracks in the main program, so basically taking out the tracks that were more or less OST tracks. Still works as a nice 53 minute work, and was kind of refreshing since I've heard the OST tracks a bajillion times in my life Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I am just taking my first listen and it sounds wonderful. Beyond the obvious action highlights I really dig the shorted suspense cues sprinkled throughout and the variations on the bad guy material. Florian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 Yea the increased amount of bad guy material is really what sets this apart the most form the OST program Florian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 41 minutes ago, Jay said: Yea this new album is excellent, I listen to it daily at work Yesterday I tried something new, I made a playlist of just the new tracks in the main program, so basically taking out the tracks that were more or less OST tracks. Still works as a nice 53 minute work, and was kind of refreshing since I've heard the OST tracks a bajillion times in my life I too have listened to the OST tracks many times but it doesn't bother me. I've made my own edit of this score. I put the film version cues in the main body and took their counterparts which are alternates and put them at the end. I even made my own film version mix of "Empty Rooms". I also gave all the Varèse material a simple high cut in Cool Edit Pro since the tracks seemed a little too bright for me. I took a couple of tracks from the pristine boot. This included an alternate "K.V. Lectures", the film version take for "Target Air Force One", "Air force One In Trouble", and album ending for "Empty Rooms". The version of "Target Air Force One" on the DE is an alternate take. "Air Force One In Trouble" from the pristine boot is the film version take but it has no volume dips like the one on this release. Of course I renamed KV to Ivan where KV was in tracks. Not sure who KV is so ya... I also adjusted the volume to the action oriented tracks. Most of them seemed a little on the low side to me. I also adjusted the volume to the quieter tracks too. Here is the track list for my set. 01- The Parachutes (Film Version) (2:11) 02- Parachute Attack (Film Version) (3:22) 03- The Motorcade (2:41) 04- Guided Tour (1:25) 05- No Security (3:04) 06- Gibbs Fires (0:32) 07- The Hijacking (7:50) 08- Empty Capsule (2:35) 09- Empty Hall (0:39) 10- Downstairs (0:35) 11- Hanging About (0:22) 12- Terms (2:37) 13- Stalking The Plane (Part 1) (1:06) 14- Stalking The Plane (Part 2) (0:48) 15- Empty Rooms (Film Verison) (4:10) 16- Get To Work (0:56) 17- Ivan and The Hostages (Film Version) (1:29) 18- NSA Is Shot (1:18) 19- Mother Russia (1:29) 20- Marshall On Phone (1:32) 21- Target Air Force One (Film Version Take) (2:36) 22- Plane On The Ground (1:05) 23- Marshall's Plan (Film Version) (1:05) 24- The First Hostage (2:50) 25- Ivan Lectures (Film Version) (0:32) 26- Dumping Fuel (2:27) 27- Fuel's On Its Way (1:03) 28- Fax To The White House (1:17) 29- Escape In Process (0:38) 30- Where Is The President? (0:40) 31- Free Flight (4:53) 32- Hostage President (3:57) 33- I'll Do It (1:21) 34- Sign It! (Film Version) (2:03) 35- Get Off My Plane! (Film Version) (4:50) 36- Radek's Release (1:40) 37- The Dogfight (4:14) 38- Air Force One In Trouble (Film Version) (3:12) 39- Escape From Air Force One (5:30) 40- Welcome Aboard (2:10) 41- The Parachutes (Album Version) (2:06) 42- Parachute Attack (Album Version) (3:21) 43- The Hijacking (Album Version) (7:51) 44- Empty Rooms (Album Version) (4:16) 45- Ivan and The Hostages (Alternate) (1:14) 46- Target Air Force One (Alternate Take) (2:41) 47- Marshall's Plan (Alternate) (0:55) 48- Ivan Lectures (Alternate 1) (0:28) 49- Ivan Lectures (Alternate 2) (0:32) 50- Sign It! (Alternate Take) (2:09) 51- Get Off My Plane! (Alternate Take) (4:52) 52- Air Force One In Trouble (Alternate Take) (3:15) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 So even Finland is getting this before Berlin? Grmph... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I'm still waiting. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 Mine hasn't arrived yet either, though I didn't order it on release day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Still not here. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 It arrived. Not much to report. The need was long stilled by the boot, but it was a duty buy. Weird that Varése puts film stem cues (end titles, with a noticeably different, thinnish sound) on their regular editions. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Yeah, just like they did on Starship Troopers. Very lazy. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I find the sound off-putting. The rest, though, is an exemplary example of re-mastering done right: no loudness wars, just an elegant upgrade, a bit more depth but no excesses. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 Mine arrived this week! It's overall awesome, just a few minor niggles (that Varese will never acknowledge or fix) I read through Schweiger's liner notes and..I dunno. There's some good stuff describing the themes and where to hear them, and a nice summation of the production of the film. But then they don't even mention Randy Newman once. Nor explain why Goldsmith refer's to Ivan as "K.V." in his original cue titles. If its an in-joke, explain the joke in the liner notes. If it's a mistake, change the track list of the final CD. Weird. Florian and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I still want an explanation why Goldsmith was quoted in an old Soundtrack! magazine - verbatim - calling Peterson nazi prick. Florian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Probably just too much attention to details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 28 minutes ago, publicist said: It arrived. Not much to report. The need was long stilled by the boot, but it was a duty buy. Weird that Varése puts film stem cues (end titles, with a noticeably different, thinnish sound) on their regular editions. Is this the same kind of end credits that was on Intrada's The Mummy set? 22 minutes ago, publicist said: I find the sound off-putting. The rest, though, is an exemplary example of re-mastering done right: no loudness wars, just an elegant upgrade, a bit more depth but no excesses. Isn't one cue from the main program said to have some loudness issues? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Or a jewish thing. Who knows. Maybe he avenged Randy. Still, Petersen seems well-reasoned in interviews, so i wonder. Peter O'Toole famously also dissed him hard after 'Troy'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 I also liked that there was an image of two pages of paperwork from the production of the film showing some original cue names and recording information, etc. But unfortunately it was so small, I had a hard time reading it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 1 minute ago, Brundlefly said: Is this the same kind of end credits that was on Intrada's The Mummy set? Isn't one cue from the main program said to have some loudness issues? The dvd end credits. Where you hear how they faded out the natural reverb at the end. There's one McNeely cue that is contained twice, much ado about nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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