Martin Scorsese says Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

[Corellian2019 386]

9 hours ago, AC1 said:

Paul Thomas Anderson doesn't agree with Scorsese and the other naysayers. He likes superhero movies and he says they are saving the movie theaters.

 

https://www.cbr.com/paul-thomas-anderson-spider-man-will-save-movie-theaters/

 

Let's cancel him!

 

Ha. A friend of mine cynically called this "How to get love from audiences who wouldn't get dragged to see your movies even if you paid them"

[A24 4,331]

While PTA said "Superhero movies are saving movie theaters", some youtubers change his statement into "Marvel is saving film (saving the art form)", but that is not true, of course. 'Streaming' is saving film as PTA will one day find out.  

[Jay 37,346]

Did @Quintus log back in to change the thread title?

Or did @Ricard do it?

[Glóin the Dark 1,220]

Surely can't have been Quint, since the information under his name says that he was last active in August. Assuming that function is reliable...

[Jay 37,346]

It's reliable, BUT if you go to your Account Settings / Security and Privacy and go into Hidden mode, then that field isn't updated anymore until you go back to normal mode.

[Glóin the Dark 1,220]

I think that it is updated even if you're logged in anonymously, going by what I've noticed about my own profile and those of others.

[Jay 37,346]

Oh.  Huh.  Ok.

[A24 4,331]

If it wasn't Jay, then it had to be Ricard. Anyway, the title is much better now.

[Glóin the Dark 1,220]

Still possible it was Quint if this "Hidden mode" does as Jay says.

[KK 3,307]

7 hours ago, AC1 said:

While PTA said "Superhero movies are saving movie theaters", 

 

Yeah, and judging by how ridiculously well the new Spider-Man movie is doing, in the midst of Omicron...he's not wrong.

 

But no, they're certainly not saving film.

[A24 4,331]

2 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said:

Still possible it was Quint if this "Hidden mode" does as Jay says.

 

My money is on Ricard.

[Ricard 2,245]

Yeah the old title was just a series of interjections and yeah it was me who changed it!

[A24 4,331]

Well, as expected, PTA isn't saving the theaters ...

 

https://www.thethings.com/alana-haim-bradley-cooper-licorice-pizza-outcry/

[A24 4,331]

George Clooney is the next in line to realize that soon his movies will no longer be playing in theaters. 

 

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But honestly, theaters weren't jumping at taking a lot of the films that that I've been making for a long time. They were like, 'Yeah, that's not really our thing anymore.' So the streamers have really opened up a door in a way to keep those kinds of stories alive."

 

https://screenrant.com/george-clooney-movies-theaters-streaming-release-comparison/

 

 

For the times they are a-changin'

[A24 4,331]

He once deemed them 'despicable' but now Francis Ford Coppola is caving in and says Deadpool is amazing.

 

https://screenrant.com/deadpool-movie-francis-ford-coppola-review-comments/

 

 

 

[Thor 7,493]

I'm more shocked to see how skinny and old Coppola has become, but then I haven't seen a recent photo of him in years.

 

[Mr. Who 919]

3 hours ago, AC1 said:

He once deemed them 'despicable' but now Francis Ford Coppola is caving in and says Deadpool is amazing.

 

https://screenrant.com/deadpool-movie-francis-ford-coppola-review-comments/

 

 

 

Deadpool isn't a MCU movie haha

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Do you really think Coppola is the kind of person that would care about a distinction between "MCU movie" and "Marvel movie"?

[Mr. Who 919]

I find it funny how the MCU fanboys go after directors like Scorsese and Coppola and I say this as someone who rather enjoys the MCU movies. As a fan of Coppola and Scorsese though, it almost hurts to see how braindead some of the fanboy comments are on twitter etc.

[mrbellamy 6,278]

1 hour ago, Thor said:

I'm more shocked to see how skinny and old Coppola has become, but then I haven't seen a recent photo of him in years.

 

 

I believe he said he lost 60 pounds at a health and fitness center, both because he was worried about his weight as he was hitting 80 but also specifically to get himself in better shape to direct Megalopolis which he's gotten serious as hell about making ASAP, rumor is he starts shooting in September. It does make him look gaunt but hope he's healthy. He seems ok looking at his speech.

 

 

[A24 4,331]

Scorsese might have said Marvel movies but he meant superhero movies.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Exactly.

[Quintus 5,399]

Superhero flicks are single-handedly keeping theatre chains going whilst simultaneously killing cinema. Just got to hope the fad does in the end pass, but I think there's still quite a few years left to go, especially with all this infinite multiverse bollocks they've conveniently thought up. Normy cinemagoers (buffs) basically got to wait till today's teenage boys grow up to be grumpy disenfranchised old men. 

 

I personally am absolutely sick to death of the sight and sound of superhero stuff, it all bores me to tears. I actually like the genre, but come the fuck on. 

 

Another downside is... the genuinely ambitious projects, such as The Batman... I tar with the same brush, I bundle them all up together and instantly dismiss anything new featuring lycra and capes. I avoid the ones that are actually worth giving a chance because of association. That, plus I'm also just really tired of Batman reboots. 

[mrbellamy 6,278]

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I can't effing wait for Killers of the Flower Moon.

[Jay 37,346]

Yea looks great.  Unusual composer choice too

[Mr. Who 919]

9 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

Of these I still need to see Silence. Is it any good?

[Jurassic Shark 12,054]

I haven't heard anything about it.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

Yea looks great.  Unusual composer choice too

 

Hopefully Robertson will have more to do on this one.  He was technically the "composer" of The Irishman but I don't know what if any original music he actually did for that, he was mostly a music supervisor I think for the mountain of needle drops in it.

[KK 3,307]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Who said:

Of these I still need to see Silence. Is it any good?

 

It's the best film on that list.

 

23 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 

Hopefully Robertson will have more to do on this one.  He was technically the "composer" of The Irishman but I don't know what if any original music he actually did for that, he was mostly a music supervisor I think for the mountain of needle drops in it.

 

I remember some kind of guitar/cello theme? Didn't make much of it, but it all worked.

[Naïve Old Fart 9,515]

1 hour ago, Quintus said:

Superhero flicks are single-handedly keeping theatre chains going whilst simultaneously killing cinema.

Aye, there's the rub. All these films are suffocating creativity, while continuing to employ an awful lot of people.

 

1 hour ago, Quintus said:

I...instantly dismiss anything new featuring lycra...

Believe me, I have absolutely no problem with looking at women in lycra 

[Glóin the Dark 1,220]

1 hour ago, Mr. Who said:

Of these I still need to see Silence. Is it any good?

 

It is, though I don't agree with KK that it's the best on the list. Of the others, I'd put The Irishman and The Wolf of Wall Street above it and maybe Shutter Island too (I haven't seen Hugo). That said, I've seen those three multiple times and Silence only once; it may be a film which improves on closer acquaintance. Strangely, I was more impressed with each of the other three on the first viewing than on the rewatches.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Wolf of Wall Street is easily my favorite on that list.  Bugnuts masterpiece.

[A24 4,331]

I don't have any affection for any of them, but honesty compels me to say that I haven't seen Silence, which struck me as Scorsese obviously fishing for Oscars. 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Really?  I think your internal definition of Oscarbait is out of date.  That movie did not strike me as Oscarbait at all, the taste of the current Academy couldn't be less open to meditations on faith.  Oscarbait these days means making the voters feel good and morally righteous in their leftist political views.

[Glóin the Dark 1,220]

3 minutes ago, AC1 said:

I don't have any affection for any of them...

 

There's a shocker!

 

3 minutes ago, AC1 said:

Silence...struck me as Scorsese obviously fishing for Oscars. 

 

I don't think that makes much sense. If he was after Oscars he would have made a film that more people would be likely to watch

[Romão 2,274]

There wasn't anything is Silence that I would describe as Oscar-baity...

[A24 4,331]

 

6 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

Really?  I think your internal definition of Oscarbait is out of date. 

 

I dunno, my idea of an Oscar bait movie is The Mission or Gandhi. Silence, even though I haven't seen it, reminded me of those movies. 

 

So I have google for Scorsese's Silence + Oscar bait I will get zero results? 

 

 

Silence

 

 

The Mission

 

 

 

Know what I'm saying?

[Mr. Who 919]

1 hour ago, Disco Stu said:

Wolf of Wall Street is easily my favorite on that list.  Bugnuts masterpiece.

It's a great movie but so is the Irishman which I think is possibly the weightier film. However, quotability of Wolf of Wall Street is difficult to surpass. A few years ago I remember everyone doing the chest pounding thing.

[Thor 7,493]

There is absolutely nothing Oscar-baity about SILENCE, but I was not as thrilled with the movie as many others. Ripe for a rewatch, though.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

9 minutes ago, AC1 said:

I dunno, my idea of an Oscar bait movie is The Mission or Gandhi. Silence, even though I haven't seen it, reminded me of those movies. 

 

That's what I'm saying, your definition of Oscarbait is 40 years out of date

[A24 4,331]

12 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 

That's what I'm saying, your definition of Oscarbait is 40 years out of date

 

Perhaps it's because Silence looks like my out of date definition of Oscar bait. Perhaps that was Scorese's mistake?

 

So if I google for Scorsese's Silence + Oscar bait I will get zero results? 

 

Surely it's not difficult to answer? Or is it?

 

15 minutes ago, Thor said:

There is absolutely nothing Oscar-baity about SILENCE ...

 

Why not?

[Thor 7,493]

2 minutes ago, AC1 said:

Why not?

 

Too visceral, raw, morally ambigous.

[Disco Stu 15,495]

7 minutes ago, AC1 said:

So I have google for Scorsese's Silence + Oscar bait I will get zero results? 

 

Surely it's not difficult to answer? Or is it?

 

Could it be possible that I just don't care?

[Naïve Old Fart 9,515]

I don't think that Scorsese gives a monkey's about Oscarness. I think he just sets out to make the best film that he can.

If you make a film in order for it to be Oscar-nominated, then you are making it for all the wrong fucking reasons.

[A24 4,331]

11 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said:

I don't think that Scorsese gives a monkey's about Oscarness.

 

That's not the impression I have. At a certain point Scorese stopped making personal movies and concentrated on movies that would have a wide appeal and that were more eligible for winning Oscars (The Aviator, Shutter Island, The Departed, ... )

 

Maybe you guys didn't see it that way but I did.

[Glóin the Dark 1,220]

30 minutes ago, AC1 said:

So if I google for Scorsese's Silence + Oscar bait I will get zero results? 

 

I just Googled Dirty Grandpa + Oscar bait and got 4,400,000 results.

[A24 4,331]

4 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said:

 

I just Googled Dirty Grandpa + Oscar bait and got 4,400,000 results.

 

That's nothing compared to 'Silence + Oscar bait' which got 8. 650.000 results.

[Glóin the Dark 1,220]

As you see, Googling a proposition doesn't separate the bad takes from the good, to say nothing of the irrelevant results...

 

(By the way, I only get half as many results in the case of Silence as in that of Dirty Grandpa.)

[mrbellamy 6,278]

I Googled Alexcremers Oscar bait and I got 5 results