Martin Scorsese says Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

[Bilbo 3,709]

I hope Marty throws his Martini in Iger’s face and walks out. 

[mstrox 6,647]

That sounds awful - give him a smashemup!

[JoeinAR 1,949]

On 10/4/2019 at 12:35 PM, Quintus said:

Martin Scorsese says Marvel movies are 'not cinema'

 

Someone in the industry had to say it and I can't think of anyone better!

 

 

He is most incorrect. Shit like the tedius Irishman or whatever isn't cinema either. Its a tv movie.

[Quintus 5,399]

I haven't watched it. Have you?

[JoeinAR 1,949]

Dave made me and so did my boss. My boss tricked me. She hated it. 

[A24 4,327]

https://www.indiewire.com/2019/12/terry-gilliam-marvel-movies-don-quixote-interview-1202197447/

 

Terry Gilliam talks about Marvel movies.

[Chen G. 3,944]

So, which directors have spoken against the Superhero/MCU tzunmi?

 

Martin Scorcese, Francis Ford Coppola, Sir Peter Jackson, James Cameron, Mel Gibson and now Terry Gilliam.

 

Hmm, maybe they have a point?

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

Of course they do.

[publicist 4,643]

Though i find Gilliam's quotes more than reasonable. He even admits that technically these things are marvelous. The basic problem still is not Marvel, that's only a symptom of a constant dumbdown through mass media, it's that these corporation have the responsibility to raise the bar and in the past, they did both, the lofty and the spectacle. Gilliam is right that companies like Disney should spend more of their stupid movie's money into more diversity, and i don't mean gender.

[Chen G. 3,944]

Meh, people had issues with spectacle movies since the beginning of the medium. That's not what concerns me, and I don't think that's what concerns a lot of these filmmakers, many of whom are the masters of spectacle.

 

Its to do with Marvel's endless serialization and with their meta style of humour, both of which I just don't enjoy in films.

[Nick Parker 3,040]

5 minutes ago, Chen G. said:

Meh, people had issues with spectacle movies since the beginning of the medium. That's not what concerns me, and I don't think that's what concerns a lot of these filmmakers, many of whom are the masters of spectacle.

 

Its to do with Marvel's endless serialization and with their meta style of humour, both of which I just don't enjoy in films.

 

Gilliam's complaint, besides the movies themselves, is that it pushes "major" cinema into either the realm of Mega AAA blockbusters or small indie movies. He misses the space for modest, middle of the line movies, budget wise. I see the same thing happen to video games.

[publicist 4,643]

Exactly. Mainstream cinema never was as alarmingly juvenile so it’s not a repeat of a situation, it’s a mirror image of a general trivialization. Fucking Ben Hur was the spectacle of 1959 and that’s as literate as you can get.

[Chen G. 3,944]

Ben Hur really isn't that "literate". 

 

But, then, in comparison with the MCU...

[Quintus 5,399]

MCU stuff hasn't ruined cinema forever but it has certainly dumbed it down in the here and now. The medium will probably take ten years to recover 'artistically', from the MCU takeover. Superheroes might seem unstoppable at the moment, but genuine fatigue will set in eventually.

[Chen G. 3,944]

It can't happen soon enough, as far as I'm concerned.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

3 hours ago, Chen G. said:

So, which directors have spoken against the Superhero/MCU tzunmi?

 

Martin Scorcese, Francis Ford Coppola, Sir Peter Jackson, James Cameron, Mel Gibson and now Terry Gilliam.

 

Hmm, maybe they have a point?

 

Steven Spielberg, sort of?

 

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Two years ago, Steven Spielberg famously predicted an "implosion" of the movie industry because of its over-reliance on big budget summer blockbusters. In the wake of the success of Jurassic World, which Spielberg produced, that hasn't changed, he says.

"I still feel that way," Spielberg told The Associated Press while promoting Bridge of Spies, his upcoming Cold War-era thriller. "We were around when the Western died and there will be a time when the superhero movie goes the way of the Western. It doesn't mean there won't be another occasion where the Western comes back and the superhero movie someday returns."

 

[Quintus 5,399]

He's right of course.

 

[A24 4,327]

Scorsese's daughter gives her dad Christmas presents wrapped in Marvel paper.

 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

Here's Scorsese on Joker.  Todd Phillips will be crying into his pillow tonight.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/02/movies/martin-scorsese-irishman.html

[Arpy 4,145]

Is anyone else waiting gleefully for this to happen like me? Maybe it will be replaced by some other fad, but the Superhero era should take a rest. The studios still have the temerity to keep introducing more stories, but it's surviving on the mass movie-going box-office numbers, and not quality or creative direction.

 

Quoted from @Gruesome Son of a Bitch Spielberg quote:

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"We were around when the Western died and there will be a time when the superhero movie goes the way of the Western. It doesn't mean there won't be another occasion where the Western comes back and the superhero movie someday returns."

 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Westerns died out because the exploration of the frontier and American expansionism was no longer a living memory for younger audiences, and they eventually lost interest because they couldn't relate to it. Superhero movies are different – they're empowerment fantasies that transcend the time and place they were made. I reckon they'll continue to evolve as audiences demand more, but they won't abandon that empowerment fantasy, so as a genre it ain't going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

It'll all be over soon. It'll all be over soon.

[Arpy 4,145]

We've had vampires, werewolves, wizards and witches, asnd now more superheroes, what's next?

 

Humans?

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

Vampires.

[A24 4,327]

 

2 hours ago, Þekþiþm said:

Westerns died out because the exploration of the frontier and American expansionism was no longer a living memory for younger audiences, and they eventually lost interest because they couldn't relate to it. Superhero movies are different – they're empowerment fantasies that transcend the time and place they were made. I reckon they'll continue to evolve as audiences demand more, but they won't abandon that empowerment fantasy, so as a genre it ain't going anywhere for the foreseeable future.

 

Themes such as 'revenge' and 'lawlessness' are never old and will always relate to people. 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

17 minutes ago, Alexcremers said:

 

 

Themes such as 'revenge' and 'lawlessness' are never old and will always relate to people. 

 

Sure, but kids probably think the setting is "lame".

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

That's what you think, Drax?

[Quintus 5,399]

Forget about it, Jakerassic. It's Drax.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

34 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

That's what you think, Drax?

 

Yes, they're hopeless. Westerns aren't their "thing". They haven't been for decades.

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

8 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said:

Yes, they're hopeless.

 

Who? Westerns, or kids?

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

1 minute ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Who? Westerns, or kids?

 

The kids of course!

[Quintus 5,399]

Meanwhile Red Dead Redemption 2 was one of 2019s biggest sellers.

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

I don't have time for video games.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

They're not proper movies.

[Quintus 5,399]

14 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

I don't have time for video games.

 

I remember the days when JWFan posting felt like a second job too.

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

OK, boomer.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

I just like to play Pacman, Galaga or Doctor Mario.

[Chen G. 3,944]

5 hours ago, Þekþiþm said:

they're empowerment fantasies that transcend the time and place they were made.

 

All stories are empowerment fantasies: it’s why we tell them.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Just now, Chen G. said:

 

All stories are empowerment fantasies: it’s why we tell them.

 

Oh sure, but the kids want the modern ones on steroids. Cowboys just don't do it for them anymore.

[Arpy 4,145]

How do you know what kids want?

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

If they wanted cowboy movies, studios would be making them. Duh!

[Jurassic Shark 12,033]

It takes one to know one.

[A24 4,327]

19 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said:

If they wanted cowboy movies, studios would be making them. Duh!

 

They have Star Wars now, which is a hybrid between the Western and the Eastern.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

7 minutes ago, Alexcremers said:

 

They have Star Wars now, which is a hybrid between the Western and the Eastern.

 

And it has space, lasers, explosions, technology and variety – not confined to the limitations of herding cows, bar fights, barbershops and whorehouses on the desolate frontier that they can go out and visit anyway, which would make youngins go "dehh wats dis shit?"

[Quintus 5,399]

Plus I keep reading young people saying how much Star Wars "sucks".

 

MCU usurping SW as the preeminent movie franchise means there's little to no patience for anything else these days. If it ain't got capes and buff bods they're not interested. 

 

The LotR doesn't know how lucky it was to have come out just before social media exploded onto the culture scene.

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Martin Scorsese, Todd Phillips, Noah Baumbach, Greta Gerwig, Lulu Wang at the round table ... and yes, Marvel comes up. Watch it!

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Martin Scorsese and... who are these other people?

[A24 4,327]

Todd Phillips directed Joker, Baumbach directed Marriage Story, ... Then there's also the director of The Two Popes ... Greta Gerwig did Little Women ...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Not the Russo's? Or Snyder? Or Ben Affleck?

[A24 4,327]

They are saying all the things you and Joe love to deny. It's great!