The Rise of Skywalker The Rise of Skywalker SPOILERS ALLOWED discussion thread

[Kasey Kockroach 2,343]

Be careful of your pal, Friendpatine.

[Bayesian 1,359]

Anyone else find Dark Rey alluring and sexy AF? I don’t mean that cavalierly, either. I think it was definitely intentional. Her eyes and smile look like something out of a designer fragrance ad or magazine photo shoot or something. When side-by-side with the sweaty and stressed-out “good” Rey, it’s like DR is telling GR to just give in, ‘cause look how awesome I am—and you kinda want to agree. (But then DR’s face goes Palpatine-y and the moment is gone.)

[Docteur Qui 1,544]

straight people are weird

[Quintus 5,399]

After the flagrant open discussion seen in the other threads here over the last couple of days, it doesn't take Hercule Poirot to figure out that Rey is obviously of Palpatine lineage.

 

So since major open spoilers are now considered "fine" on JWFan, I'll just say "thanks" for saving me the time and effort in ever seeing the final part of the series. Right on 👌

 

But it's fine. We can all ignore the traditional forum etiquette, after all. So yeah, it'll be open season from me from now on! Beware!

[Bayesian 1,359]

This is the “spoilers allowed” thread. Shouldn’t you be taking your beef to literally any other thread but this one?

[Jay 37,322]

Quint, the thread you are talking about is from 2015. Look at its main post. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Lol!

[Arpy 4,145]

This is what happens when there's a 1000 Star Wars threads, and the distinction between the two spoiler/non spoiler threads is very, very slim. 

 

It needs to read:

 

SPOILERS! SPOILERS! The Rise of Skywalker Discussion Thread 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Do people really decide not to see a movie just because they were exposed to a plot point or two before seeing it?

[Arpy 4,145]

Yes, I pretty much knew everything going in, but I was still surprised. A plot summary can only tell you so much.

[Demodex 557]

3 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said:

Do people really decide not to see a movie just because they were exposed to a plot point or two before seeing it?

 

As a friend of mine said, if knowing spoilers ruins a movie, then it's not a good movie.  

So I really hope @Quintus decides to go see it. 

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

2 minutes ago, Demodex said:

 

As a friend of mine said, if knowing spoilers ruins a movie, then it's not a good movie.  

So I really hope @Quintus decides to go see it. 

 

I just find it bizarre that some people's entire movie experiences hinge on the unsullied element of surprise for absolutely every facet of the film itself, as if that 1980 ESB reveal will ever be replicated at any level.

[Alex 2,833]

Darth Vader is Luke’s father, btw.

[Demodex 557]

Anyway, am I the only one that thought the Sith troopers would be on screen for more than 3 seconds?

[mstrox 6,647]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

Quint, the thread you are talking about is from 2015. Look at its main post. 

Lee is talking about Bespin’s newer thread, I think

[Arpy 4,145]

1 hour ago, Demodex said:

Anyway, am I the only one that thought the Sith troopers would be on screen for more than 3 seconds?

Why are the Sith Troopers wearing First Order armour? Are they First Order troopers, or did Palpatine have the armour updated to reflect the changes since RotJ? Too many questions...

[Quintus 5,399]

5 hours ago, Demodex said:

 

As a friend of mine said, if knowing spoilers ruins a movie, then it's not a good movie.  

So I really hope @Quintus decides to go see it. 

 

I'm not into paying twenty quid to go and see a movie which has no surprises. To me it's a waste of money and around three hours of my day. I'm not like Drax, who has all the time in the world when he's not sitting around twiddling his thumbs.

 

I'll wait for this to show up on Netflix instead.

 

And if my militant stance on spoilers bewilders everyone here enough already, wait until they find out how much it impacts and eradicates any desire in me to explore an attached musical score. I won't listen to John Williams' final soundtrack now, or at least I won't for many months (or whenever it is that I eventually bother to see the film). Might be years or it might be never.

[Arpy 4,145]

I'm calling the JWFan police.

 

 

Don't leave the country.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

A spoiler might have helped me understand the ending to The Sixth Sense before I saw it. I spent a long time afterward thinking his wife was mad at him for not wearing his wedding ring anymore and maybe the ghosts stole it from him.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488]

I haven't seen it either, Quint!

[Bofur01 245]

2 hours ago, Quintus said:

 

I'm not into paying twenty quid to go and see a movie which has no surprises. To me it's a waste of money and around three hours of my day. I'm not like Drax, who has all the time in the world when he's not sitting around twiddling his thumbs.

 

I'll wait for this to show up on Netflix instead.

 

And if my militant stance on spoilers bewilders everyone here enough already, wait until they find out how much it impacts and eradicates any desire in me to explore an attached musical score. I won't listen to John Williams' final soundtrack now, or at least I won't for many months (or whenever it is that I eventually bother to see the film). Might be years or it might be never.

Twenty quid, what are you doing wrong? It was £5.80 at our local Vue!

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JJ botches the classic JW anecdote, via Twitter:

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“There’s as much of a brother and sister thing with Rey and Kylo Ren as there is romantic. So it’s not literally a sexually/romantic kind of thing. It’s more like they’re just bound together in this crazy, spiritual way. Again, felt romantic to me…. It’s like John Williams, if you listen to the – when he first wrote the Luke theme. It was a romantic theme for Luke and Leia. That was kind of what he was thinking because he didn’t know where it was going.”

 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

2 hours ago, Quintus said:

And if my militant stance on spoilers bewilders everyone here enough already, wait until they find out how much it impacts and eradicates any desire in me to explore an attached musical score. I won't listen to John Williams' final soundtrack now, or at least I won't for many months (or whenever it is that I eventually bother to see the film). Might be years or it might be never.

 

Wow.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

So weird.

[gkgyver 1,645]

Don't know what's so hard about reading SPOILERS ALLOWED in the thread title. 

[Quintus 5,399]

1 hour ago, Bofur01 said:

Twenty quid, what are you doing wrong? It was £5.80 at our local Vue!

 

Really? That's cheap. I would have been taking my son though. It's around £10.50 a ticket in our nearest Cineworld.

 

43 minutes ago, gkgyver said:

Don't know what's so hard about reading SPOILERS ALLOWED in the thread title. 

 

Apparently it's not as hard as reading people's posts properly.

[theMaestraX 106]

I have now seen this film 6 times now and will continue as it still felt like a nostalgic trip, familiar elements cropping up! Again a lot of curve balls, course this isn't Shakespeare but both Disney and JJ I find had a total lack of vision and consider this a fan-made graduation film. Still entertaining but alittle irritating to find REY can call herself or inherit the Skywalker family name, she's a Palpatine we are told. Also they (Lucasfilm) cannot researched properly the expanded universe as the Sith planet is called Korriban and not Testicle oops I mean Exetica or something. In that universal outta rim territories would have been well charted and not unknown systems or maybe they were at the time of filming. The padded dialogue was alittle forced like "They fly now?", "They fly now?", "Yes they fly now!". Was that a Krayt Dragon or just a serpent snake type in the caverns?

Artoo had alittle to do but found See-Threepio's interactions very amusing " You didn't mention my name sir but I'm alright!"

John Williams music to this is always welcomed and served the film well, even the nostalgic elements when revisiting the Emperors throne room from ROTJ felt a cold shiver inside me. The overall film wandered into Game of Thrones meets Narnia meets Lost territory. 

Nice too see a CGI of a young Princess Leia with Luke in the training scenes and watching Carrie interacting with the mysterious, troubled REY gave me a warm feeling who is still unsure about her destiny....take your place and together we can rule the galaxy as Emperess Palpatine, yep I dig it. Amazing Paplatine returned to face another day and consumed the all powering energy to become an Avenger! Well crafted battle, light sabre scenes in various places. With all that experience before and a welcome return of Lando you would've promoted him to launch the decisive attack on the fleet and not Poe - Hmmm!

OK I could go on with this but I sense a disturbance in myself and that means hunger, yep I still like the film but I was expecting something new and fresher & NOT copied or trying to better itself or within itself!

 

 

 

[Holko 9,499]

Quick unorganised thoughts:

 

I looked though the Art of TFA book before seeing it and noticed a big vehicle that was basically one big tread with the controls and rooms inside. I though it was cool. Waddayaknow, Lando lives in it!

 

So Palpatine wanted Rey dead then actually wanted her to kill him to take over her body. Was he supposed to be playing 5D chess, knowing Kylo would want to team up with her to kill him? But then when he pulled the dyad syphoning regeneration out of his ass is when I really felt I had enough of this.

 

The Vader's Death tracking is horrible, didn't really notice any other examples.

 

When Rey attacks Kylo in the DSII throne room and Kylo dodges a few of her hits before pulling the saber out, he uses some of the same moves ProjectedLuke used "against" him on Crait!

 

Anytime Monaghan had a line I was expecting any actual character to say "I'm sorry, who the hell asked you? Who even are you?"

 

The fragment of "Finn not telling Rey something" left in the film was weird.

 

Jannah was weird, she could have been anyone else or left out with her not explicitly being Lando's daughter (that final scene is weiiird), but that would have been small universe syndrome again. It's nice that FInn knows he's not the only deserter but the phrasing of that scene rubs me the wrong way - is the Force now the Log Lady' log, giving seemingly random people pushes so they could accidentally end up in the right place in the right time a decade later? And is it really only possibly the Force turning off free will that a bunch of people didn't murder innocent civilians, not that, I don't know, they had some decency left in them after an improper brainwashing training?

 

The dagger having a sextant or protractor or what was that was ludicrous, and I really have no idea how it was supposed to fit. I thought it would conform to the shape of the broken weapon dish but no.

 

Kylo and Rey really just teleported out onto the... pier, I guess the deleted spacetimehopping was right before that. I loved that duel btw, it was intense, aggressive and mean, and finally utilised Force Powers but didn't overdo them.

 

I loved the Pasaana sorce but hated the JW bar one. I could forgive anyone for missing the cameo with that headgear and lighting. I did like the medieval town feel of Kijimi.

 

What was up with Finn and Poe just bickering?

 

Palpatine almost looked CG most of the time, while Maz almost looked like a puppet in some shots.

 

What was that Klaud thing?

 

D-O was completely pointless throwaway stuff except for the one offscreen moment of Droid Ex Machina. Maybe if the movie had actual pacing they could have grown to know him and he, the abuse victim could have grown to trust them enough to share information?

 

The Ewoks looked really really off, and having a victory montage with only 2 planets seems like a massive "why even bother" kind of waste.

 

The "10.000.000 Star Destroyers vs 10.000.000 civilian ships" thing was so ridiculously overscaled and we saw so little of it that it had virtually no impact on me. The cue for the reveal is OK I guess but I like the OST+FYC combo of the finale without it better.

 

The room was almost full, 5 days after the premiere and on the third non-dubbed showing in the only cinema in the city. Most of the jokes went over well, Hux being the spy got the biggest uproar of a reaction. The kiss got mostly nervous laughter and sounds of being slightly weirded out, but a girl behind me (who already let out a big gasp when Ben grabbed the ledge) let out such a heartfelt genuine sad "awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww" that I couldn't help but like the scene more!

[Bespin 8,480]

[Trent B 337]

So I saw it and here's my take on it...

 

There are PARTS of it I like. I get the whole redemption of Ben as I think EVERYONE should have a chance of being redeemed. However, killing him off in the end when there was chemistry between him and Rey since TFA and they kissed before he died.... that did not sit very well with me OR my wife. 

 

Also while this film was being made I had said, "I hope this isn't a rehash of ROTJ like TFA was for Star Wars (ANH)".  Unfortunately I was right. I felt like Rise Of Skywalker was a rehash of Return Of The Jedi.

 

I also read that a lot of people that hated The Last Jedi like the movie more now because of Rise Of Skywalker. They think ROS sucks but TLJ is better which I for one am glad that people have changed their minds.  

I for one REALLY liked The Last jedi both film and score. To me Rise Of Skywalker is a big step down from The Last Jedi.

Here is that article I was talking about.

 

https://movieweb.com/the-last-jedi-thank-you-rian-johnson-trending/

 

Edit: Other thoughts.... the whole Palpatine being alive when he was basically vaporized when Vader threw him down the shaft in ROTJ.... ya no that did NOT make sense.  Neither did Rey being the granddaughter of Palpatine.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

33 minutes ago, Trent B said:

I for one REALLY liked The Last jedi both film and score. To me Rise Of Skywalker is a big step down from The Last Jedi.

 

TLJ isn't perfect. It is however the only one of the sequel trilogy that tried to do something a little bit different, and interesting than just rehash the OT.

 

10 years from now it will be far better regarded.

[Trent B 337]

Oh ya and another thing I did NOT like that Rey just took on the "Skywalker" name at the end. She is NOT a Skywalker, she's a Palpatine. Although I can understand WHY she took on the name Skywalker because she doesn't want to be reminded she's the granddaughter of a Sith lord.  Again to ME it just doesn't make sense.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Its fan service!

[Trent B 337]

27 minutes ago, Stefancos said:

Its fan service!

 

Sadly that is true.

[Arpy 4,145]

5 hours ago, Trent B said:

Oh ya and another thing I did NOT like that Rey just took on the "Skywalker" name at the end. She is NOT a Skywalker, she's a Palpatine. Although I can understand WHY she took on the name Skywalker because she doesn't want to be reminded she's the granddaughter of a Sith lord.  Again to ME it just doesn't make sense.

No, it's not that, it's because her spiritual family and her identity has been with the Skywalkers. She's choosing that identity.

 

I've said elsewhere I wouldn't mind if she had said 'I'm just Rey'. Embracing the nobody status to make a new legacy that wasn't Skywalker or Palpatine.

[Bespin 8,480]

Since when R2 is a backup unit for 3PO?

 

That shocked me.

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3 hours ago, Bespin said:

Since when R2 is a backup unit for 3PO?

 

That shocked me.

 

Since the plot demanded it. Luckily no one told Bail Organa at the end of ROTS.

[Holko 9,499]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

 

Since the plot demanded it. Luckily no one told Bail Organa at the end of ROTS.

Maybe he's backing him up exactly since and because of that! He doesn't want a repeat of having been forgotten and having to become friends again from scratch. Makes a lot of sense actually.

[crumbs 14,304]

Maybe, but it's still a plot contrivance that robs the 'sacrifice' of any dramatic payoff. The film is filled with copouts like that, where something dramatic happens to a character only for it to get walked back within minutes (Chewy's fake death, Kylo getting stabbed, Rey's fake death, Ben falling down the chasm, 3P0's memory wipe, etc.)

[Demodex 557]

Did the "Is Rey Palpatine's daughter?" thread just get deleted?

 

Edit:  Never mind. 

[Edmilson 7,396]

11 hours ago, Arpy said:

I've said elsewhere I wouldn't mind if she had said 'I'm just Rey'. Embracing the nobody status to make a new legacy that wasn't Skywalker or Palpatine.

 

Maybe she could've chosen the surname "Skypatine", representing the balance between the light (the Skywalkers) and the dark side of the Force (the Palpatines) she achieved on herself and amongst the galaxy.

 

On 12/25/2019 at 10:13 AM, Holko said:

What was that Klaud thing?

 

 

It's weird, Klaud was barely on the movie. I remember seeing him at the Falcon early on the movie and then not anymore. Maybe he was originally conceived as Disney's great merchandising character based on Star Wars of the year (a la BB-8), but then, seeing his penis-like shape, they opted for the much more family friendly (and meme friendly) Baby Yoda?

 

And, actually, what the hell happened to BB-8? Was he even on TROS?

[Pieter Boelen 740]

I'm with @Trent B here.

When I first saw The Last Jedi, I already liked it quite a bit; especially for doing the unexpected.

 

The way I see it, TROS is Disney caving into the pressure of toxic internet fanboys.

They lost a lot of my respect by returning to the route of predictability.

 

Overfull story, undoing a lot of what came before and visual epic-ness far in excess of the emotional power.

I love me some space battles, but this was more "animators got carried away with the copy/paste functionality".

Who even were all those Sith audience members?!?

 

I sincerely hope Rian Johnson will get to make another Star Wars movie.

Clearly the one he made was not perfect, but it had a pretty clean look, very stylish at times and the story had some deep, creative thought applied to it.

 

Shouldn't be too surprised, I suppose.

JJ Abrams made Star Trek Into Darkness too, which also struck me as being particularly inappropriate.

 

There are definitely parts of this movie to appreciate, but really it could and should have been so much better.

Specifically, more creative, more emotionally satisfying and less "following the crowd".

[Alex 2,833]

[Bespin 8,480]

Can someone post some pics of that great scene with Knights of Ren in TLJ?

[Edmilson 7,396]

2017 Beauty and the Beast all over again.

 

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Star Wars: Disney removes same-sex kiss from The Rise of Skywalker in Singapore
New film has first same-sex kiss in franchise’s history

 

Disney has removed a brief scene of two women kissing from Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker in Singapore.

 

The film features the first same-sex kiss in the franchise’s history, and is shown in a flash when two women embrace among a crowd of characters.

 

Singapore’s media regulatory body told the BBC that Disney cut the scene to avoid it receiving a higher age rating. Without the kiss, the film is rated PG-13 in Singapore.

 

“The applicant has omitted a brief scene, which under the film classification guidelines would require a higher rating,” said a spokesperson from Infocomm Media Development Authority.

 

The kiss reportedly went uncensored in China, but was removed in the United Arab Emirates.

 

In Singapore, same-sex marriages are not recognised and gay sex is illegal.

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-same-sex-kiss-scene-lgbt-disney-singapore-a9259146.html

[Chen G. 3,944]

9 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said:

When I first saw The Last Jedi, I already liked it quite a bit; especially for doing the unexpected.

 

The way I see it, TROS is Disney caving into the pressure of toxic internet fanboys.

 

Oh, next to this film, The Last Jedi - a film I mildly enjoy - is friggin' Citizen Kane.

[gkgyver 1,645]

2 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said:

I'm with @Trent B here.

When I first saw The Last Jedi, I already liked it quite a bit; especially for doing the unexpected.

 

The way I see it, TROS is Disney caving into the pressure of toxic internet fanboys.

 

LOL Jesus Christ

 

They "gave in" by producing a nonsensical, badly paced, bad acted, going nowhere drivel. Because clearly that's what "fanboys" wanted. 

 

This "poor Disney" and "poor Rian Johnson" talk is horrid. Here's a guy who by his own admittance wanted to troll the fans by "giving them less what they want, and more of what we want" (Mark Hamill quote), and his response is "bad bad fans, I intentionally didn't do what you wanted, but fuck you for wanting it". 

Disney outright told fans they weren't welcome, that Star Wars needs to go "beyond" the fandom. 

 

What world exactly do we live in, where companies produce shit, and blame the consumer for rejecting it? Like you have to appreciate and thank mother Disney for making it, no matter how flawed, terrible or agenda ridden it is because that's all you get? 

Sounds like a Russia ca. 100 years ago way of movie making.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

On 12/25/2019 at 12:00 AM, Quintus said:

After the flagrant open discussion seen in the other threads here over the last couple of days, it doesn't take Hercule Poirot to figure out that Rey is obviously of Palpatine lineage.

 

So since major open spoilers are now considered "fine" on JWFan, I'll just say "thanks" for saving me the time and effort in ever seeing the final part of the series. Right on 👌

 

But it's fine. We can all ignore the traditional forum etiquette, after all. So yeah, it'll be open season from me from now on! Beware!

 

Text book Quintus!

[Jay 37,322]

I have no sympathy for anyone who wanted to go see the new Star Wars film unspoiled, and then chose to open Star Wars threads on a discussion forum before having gone out to see it.  If you want to remain unspoiled for this movie, it isn't hard to do so.

[Edmilson 7,396]

On this whole Abrams v Johnson (Dawn of Justice) debate, and who is more to blame about what happened, I pretty much agree with this article:

 

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Why It Was A Mistake To Bring Back J.J. Abrams For The Rise Of Skywalker

 

In the making of Star Wars: The Force Awakens, writer/director J.J. Abrams had tremendous latitude to do what he does best. The filmmaker is well known for his “Mystery Box” driven storytelling method, and the seventh episode in the Skywalker Saga was fertile ground given that it was both picking up 30 years after the previous chapter in the canon, and also launching an entirely new trilogy. Abrams’ instincts led him to craft heroes with cryptic backstories, shadowy figures pulling the strings, and literal puzzles about the franchise’s legacy characters.

 

And then he left. During the press tour for Star Wars: The Force Awakens, J.J. Abrams made it very clear that he didn’t want to stay on and personally guide the direction of the upcoming sequels, instead opting to let other filmmakers continue telling the story using his blockbuster as essentially a prompt. This is what led to Rian Johnson being hired to make what became Star Wars: The Last Jedi, and Colin Trevorrow initially being brought on to make Star Wars: Episode IX.

 

But then, following the death of Carrie Fisher, circumstances changed. Decisions were made, and after Trevorrow stepped away, J.J. Abrams returned and directed the film we all now know as Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker. It was exciting news at the time, particularly because of the popularity of Star Wars: The Force Awakens, but now in retrospect there is a new way to look at it: as a big mistake.

 

While it’s easy to comprehend the logic that Lucasfilm employed in hiring J.J. Abrams to make Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker, that option should have been taken off the table as soon as the writer/director made the call not to come back for Star Wars: Episode VIII. The most significant issue the new blockbuster possesses is that it proves Abrams was too attached to his personal conclusions for the mysteries established in Star Wars: The Force Awakens. His attempts to steer the project towards those conclusions, particularly after the multiple game-changers in Star Wars: The Last Jedi, prove to be an act of self-sabotage that ultimately sink the whole thing and destroy any kind of synchronicity in the entirety of the Sequel Trilogy.

 

The key in all of this, of course, was Abrams’ call not to take on the responsibility of actively steering the new generation of Star Wars. While the filmmaker certainly did meet with Rian Johnson and had discussions about the film that became Star Wars: The Last Jedi during its development, he made a specific choice not to be the one calling the shots on the project and continuing the story and the character arcs that he started. It was his choice to abdicate his command, which makes all of the revisionist work in Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker so immensely frustrating.

 

Say what you will about the moves made by Rian Johnson in Star Wars: The Last Jedi, but the reality is that he honored the prompt that is Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Sure, he takes the set-ups and utilizes them in unexpected and surprising ways, but at no point does he betray either the logic or plot developments established in the previous film (something that cannot be said for Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker). It was never Johnson’s job to do precisely what J.J. Abrams had in mind when he was filling his Mystery Box, but instead to take what had been put into canon and use it all to craft his own take.

 

After all, why would Johnson, a smart, creative filmmaker, sign on to make the movie if he was just executing someone else’s vision? If Abrams wanted to see things play out exactly as he had initially planned, he could signed on to make Star Wars: Episode VIII himself… but he didn’t. As a result, The Last Jedi director made his moves to counter expectations by establishing Rey as a nobody from nowhere, disconnecting Luke Skywalker from the Force, having Kylo Ren assassinate Supreme Leader Snoke, and more.

 

To paraphrase Luke Skywalker, things don’t go as you’d think, but at the end of the day Star Wars: The Force Awakens and Star Wars: The Last Jedi do sync up. The same, however, cannot be said for what J.J. Abrams decided to do with Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker.

 

In the making of Episode IX, Abrams should have essentially done exactly what Rian Johnson did and used the developments in Star Wars: The Last Jedi to feed events of the next story. Clearly, though, that was something he was incapable of doing because of his attachments to his ideas in the making of Star Wars: The Force Awakens – even those that Johnson specifically avoided. Rather than getting creative an exploring the new territory offered by Johnson’s prompt, Abrams insisted on making Rey part of a legacy bloodline (namely the Palpatines) and having Kylo Ren remain as a secondary evil (not to mention ignore key developments like the Finn/Rose relationship and the democratization of the Force in the universe).

 

The result is a film that feels like fan fiction that doesn’t at all fit into the flow created by Star Wars: The Force Awakens and Star Wars: The Last Jedi.

 

The simple solution that would have prevented this? Hiring any director other than J.J. Abrams to make Star Wars: Episode IX. No filmmaker in Hollywood carried the baggage that Abrams did into the making of Star Wars: The Rise Of Skywalker, having not had the chance to execute his own take on the trilogy’s middle chapter. That baggage is what kills the film. Once the Force Awakens director decided not to make the sequel to his 2015 hit it should have been decided by Lucasfilm that the follow-ups would be developed by different filmmakers (much like the Original Trilogy). Instead, the franchise couldn’t kill the past – ironically a theme in The Last Jedi – and the result is a disappointing mess.

 

https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2487438/why-it-was-a-mistake-to-bring-back-jj-abrams-for-the-rise-of-skywalker