The Rise of Skywalker Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker - Final Predictions (NO SPOILERS)

[King Mark 3,631]

All of Williams score is being replaced by that trailer guy's music

[Fabulin 3,511]

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[MaestroUE 29]

Do you think this First Order march motif would make a return as a revised new theme? The motif was used in several cues in TFA soundtrack but was never introduced as the First Order theme. Since JW didn't even touch that material in TLJ, it may not happen but considering the collaboration with JJ, he may actually return to some of the ideas he had in TFA that were discarded/unreleased later on.

 

 

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It's possible because of the temp track. Lots of that unused material could end up in the temp and Williams could end up repurposing it.

 

The unused Parade Grounds cue sounds a bit like a prototype for The Spark, and the unused Rey Meets BB8 sounds like a precursor to the start of Rose's Theme. So JW does recycle stuff from time to time (I doubt it was his idea but even the unused cue The Arena from AOTC got repurposed in ROTS). 

[King Mark 3,631]

4 hours ago, MaestroUE said:

Do you think this First Order march motif would make a return as a revised new theme? The motif was used in several cues in TFA soundtrack but was never introduced as the First Order theme. Since JW didn't even touch that material in TLJ, it may not happen but considering the collaboration with JJ, he may actually return to some of the ideas he had in TFA that were discarded/unreleased later on.

 

 

 what's the source for that music again?

[Will 2,215]

9 minutes ago, King Mark said:

 what's the source for that music again?

 

We first heard it in the extended TFA Blu-Ray documentary. 

[King Mark 3,631]

somehow it didn't make it in my latest TFA fan edit, but it's a really cool piece of music. Why would JJ delete that

 

i hope all the cool stuff for TROS doesn't end up on the cutting room floor

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I think he was just way too mindful of the music drawing attention to itself or distracting from the acting (in this instance, Hux's speech). Or perhaps he was worried the film had too much music. There's a lot of great stuff dialled out throughout.

 

Seems kind of absurd considering it's a Star Wars score and he fawned endlessly over Williams. Not sure I'd have the courage to dial out or cut up anything he composed, in JJ's shoes! 

[Fabulin 3,511]

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[Arpy 4,145]

Both Williams and Abrams would have the kind of working relationship where they would come to the mutual agreement of what is cut and what isn't. I don't take Williams as the kind of guy who would be insulted by Abrams cutting music that doesn't fit, and at this point in his career Williams must be used to it.

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The Parade Grounds cue was pretty strong considering what it was scoring. I think it was probably a case of, "look, this approach probably won't work because of Gleeson's delivery, but why don't we give it a try and find out?"

 

I get the sense there's been a lot of that with Abrams. Given the luxurious schedule afforded to him, Williams has been happy to oblige, even knowing many of the ideas won't get used.

[Arpy 4,145]

The shifting cuts of the film with reshoots et al. probably forced Williams to be a little more forgiving. Though we still haven't heard the real story with the rescore.

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I think only seeing the film reel by reel was the bigger offender. How was he able to craft a holistically logical score watching the film out of order in twenty minutes chunks? It goes against his preferred experience, not having that "discovery" of the film felt by the audience (also working backwards from the final reels). 

 

All things considered, it's pretty remarkable the thematic development he did achieve in the score, but I've no doubt many early versions of cues lacked that development because he only had JJ's verbal explanations about where the story was heading. 

 

I really hope he got a proper rough cut screening of TROS in March (seeing as they edited during production this time around). That he had 25 minutes in the can by April/May is a good sign. 

[MaestroUE 29]

Here is the Hux speech with the First Order cue. Overall it does blend in great with the scene, also creates quite a climax and dramatic effect. However, the transition to the cue "The Starkiller" is not quite clean. Maybe they could've kept the score until the fire began because the latter part of the cue is rather inaudible in that part anyway. Besides, it would've created a small pause of silence before "The Starkiller" cue. Either way, i'm hoping for the First Order to be this menacing again, preferrably with a new, grand theme.

 

 

[Jurassic Shark 12,067]

Where's the unreleased cue from?

[Fabulin 3,511]

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[Jurassic Shark 12,067]

Duh.

 

Is it from a session leak?

[Docteur Qui 1,544]

I think it was found in the Blu Ray special features somewhere.

[Jurassic Shark 12,067]

Too bad the music was deleted from the scene - it works much better with it!

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1 hour ago, MaestroUE said:

Here is the Hux speech with the First Order cue. Overall it does blend in great with the scene, also creates quite a climax and dramatic effect. However, the transition to the cue "The Starkiller" is not quite clean. Maybe they could've kept the score until the fire began because the latter part of the cue is rather inaudible in that part anyway. Besides, it would've created a small pause of silence before "The Starkiller" cue. Either way, i'm hoping for the First Order to be this menacing again, preferrably with a new, grand theme.

 

 

 

I'm not sure this is an accurate representation of what Williams wrote. The crescendo of the cue is almost certainly intended for the end of Hux's speech, with the shot of the Stormtroopers raising their fists intended as the silence between cues (before Sunbeam Strings begins over the shots of First Order officers firing the weapon).

 

Still, we know from Dudamel that Williams wrote Sunbeam Strings ("The Starkiller") the night before it was recorded, which implies:

a) he was so swamped with other re-writes that he was running late finishing cues for the sessions

b) there's a radically different, action-heavy version of the cue (tied to the unused Parade Grounds cue) but JJ asked for a more emotional, adagio-like approach

c) JW was just exaggerating

[Fabulin 3,511]

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Cannot remember exactly where but it was an anecdote at a concert or something. He went in to conduct a few cues and Williams gave him Sunbeam Strings, mentioning that he'd written it overnight (no explanation given though, unfortunately).

 

There's probably more detail in another thread. I get the feeling he might have revealed it at the concert where he premiered the Adagio concert suite.

[Jay 37,353]

11 hours ago, King Mark said:

 what's the source for that music again?

 

11 hours ago, Will said:

We first heard it in the extended TFA Blu-Ray documentary. 

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said:

Where's the unreleased cue from?

 

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11 hours ago, Will said:

We first heard it in the extended TFA Blu-Ray documentary. 

[Jurassic Shark 12,067]

Everybody says what?

[Jay 37,353]

What?

[Fabulin 3,511]

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[Manakin Skywalker 4,892]

I'm kind of disappointed it's going to be under 2.5 hours. Keep in mind this film has to wrap up the entire 9-film saga. I hope they'll be able to pull that off in a satisfying way within just over 2 hours.

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[Sandor 797]

It is perfectly logical to judge Star Wars films by their length: ANH and ESB are the shortest ones and AOTC and TLJ the longest.

 

Obviously we need more runtime. 

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Geez, how does a film lose 14 minutes in the space of 4-6 weeks unless it's been hacked to pieces?

 

Was really hoping for a more generous runtime and a stable edit in the final months of post, but this could be TFA all over again (trimming it right back to the bone until the music has no room to breathe).

[Disco Stu 15,495]

7 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Geez, how does a film lose 14 minutes in the space of 4-6 weeks unless it's been hacked to pieces?

 

Was really hoping for a more generous runtime and a stable edit in the final months of post, but this could be TFA all over again (trimming it right back to the bone until the music has no room to breathe).

 

Well that could have just been a general guesstimate, erring on the side of over-estimating, just so the theaters could plan out their showtimes.

[mstrox 6,651]

Ya gotta count on 15 minutes of previews, and whatnot

[Jurassic Shark 12,067]

More like half an hour.

[Holko 9,525]

12 minutes ago, mstrox said:

Ya gotta count on 15 minutes of previews, and whatnot

Only 15? You're lucky over there. And about half of hour "preview time" is filled with just regular garbage commercials. Half of which are for the single 100% monopolistic cinema chain you just fucking paid to show you a movie.

[Tom 4,654]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

Geez, how does a film lose 14 minutes in the space of 4-6 weeks unless it's been hacked to pieces?

 

Was really hoping for a more generous runtime and a stable edit in the final months of post, but this could be TFA all over again (trimming it right back to the bone until the music has no room to breathe).

Just speculation, but I think the whole slug guy subplot is gone.  

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That makes sense, a huge chunk gone from the start of the film and replaced with something shorter (filmed at Black Park in September).

 

Maybe they were holding off on the OST pre-orders for this reason, because the opening act was restructured and JW didn't know what music to include?

[Edmilson 7,436]

I'm conflicted about this. On one hand, I was happy that the movie was going to be 155 minutes, it's a good time for them to resolve all the plotlines, just like it is supposed to be on the final movie on a sprawling saga. I'm not sure if 131 - 133 minutes (not considering the end credits) are enough for a satisfying final experience.

 

So I was afraid that they shortening 14 minutes of movie was mandated by the studio, wanting to have more showtimes during day, much like WB did with Justice League. But Disney is certainly not afraid of puting very long blockbusters on theaters: the first two Avengers were over 140 minutes long, Infinity War was 150 minutes, The Last Jedi 152 minutes, Endgame 182 minutes, even The Lion King and Incredibles 2 were almost 2 hours long, which is certainly a huge runtime for family movies.

 

So, I guess this wasn't an imposition by Disney, but a creative decision, therefore, the missing 14 minutes weren't nothing that much important. Of course, considering the first rumor of the movie being 155 minutes long was acurate.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,892]

3 hours ago, crumbs said:

Geez, how does a film lose 14 minutes in the space of 4-6 weeks unless it's been hacked to pieces?

 

Was really hoping for a more generous runtime and a stable edit in the final months of post, but this could be TFA all over again (trimming it right back to the bone until the music has no room to breathe).

 

The original runtime was never confirmed. It was an estimate by some theater chain.

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Wasn't it the runtime distributed by Disney to all theatre chains so they could schedule the sessions? 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,892]

13 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Wasn't it the runtime distributed by Disney to all theatre chains so they could schedule the sessions? 

 

I'm not sure if that was the case, but if it was, it was likely just a rough estimate because they didn't yet have a set runtime. I imagine they would have raised the runtime a bit just in case.

[Tom 4,654]

The think the run time is fine story-wise, as Abrams likes to edit things down to quick scenes.  My problem is that this same approach limits scoring opportunities a bit. 

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41 minutes ago, Tom said:

The think the run time is fine story-wise, as Abrams likes to edit things down to quick scenes.  My problem is that this same approach limits scoring opportunities a bit. 

 

That's my main concern. The longer runtime gave me hope the film would allow scenes and moments to breathe so the music could stretch its legs. It's my biggest issue with the pacing of TFA, that everything moves so quickly from one scene to the next that JW never gets a chance to develop long ideas (unlike the more indulgent, longer TLJ). 

[Bayesian 1,363]

55 minutes ago, crumbs said:

 

That's my main concern. The longer runtime gave me hope the film would allow scenes and moments to breathe so the music could stretch its legs. It's my biggest issue with the pacing of TFA, that everything moves so quickly from one scene to the next that JW never gets a chance to develop long ideas (unlike the more indulgent, longer TLJ). 

If nothing else, at least we know JW wrote 300 bars of end credits suite, which he surely put to good use.

[Edmilson 7,436]

Here in my city the sessions are happening about 3 hours from each other: 14h, 16h, 19h in one theater, then 14h50, 17h50, 20h50 in other...

 

I imagine Disney told the theater chains the movie would be about 2h30 long, and so, completed with half an hour for trailers and all of those ridiculous comercials (and that's not even mentioning the time needed for people to leave the theater and the cleaning people to clean it before the next patreons comes out), there you go.

[Kasey Kockroach 2,344]

I predict my skywalker will rise whenever Rey is on-screen.

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Those abs might wake me up

[Cerebral Cortex 3,357]

Please stop. 

[Kasey Kockroach 2,344]

But I'm thirsty!

[Chen G. 3,949]

12 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

I'm kind of disappointed it's going to be under 2.5 hours. Keep in mind this film has to wrap up the entire 9-film saga. I hope they'll be able to pull that off in a satisfying way within just over 2 hours.

 

I don’t know how much of this “wrap up the entire 9-film saga” is a marketing rhetoric and how much of it actually pertains to the content of the film.

 

How do you “wrap” this series up, anyway? Especially when you choose to do so two movies after the series actually did wrap up? Sounds impossible to me.

 

Providing a satisfying resolution to the sequel trilogy alone is task enough, I should think.

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So we now have the answer to two predictions (whether we'll hear a fragment of the score in advance, also whether JW was still recording on the 11th of Nov). These clever people got both answers correct!

 

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