Jay 37,352 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Quote Thirty string players, all wearing masks and spaced six feet apart, played on the first seven episodes. For the season finale, the orchestra was expanded to 59, including 39 strings, two woodwinds and 11 brass players, sources say. Musicians union rules, based on county health regulations, dictated that the strings be recorded separately from the woodwind and brass players, so those were done on different days. So episodes 1-7 are just strings + synth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, Tydirium said: https://variety.com/2020/music/news/mandalorian-music-composer-ludwig-goransson-interview-1234819443/ I even read the article and somehow missed that! Damn, this could mean more unreleased music for this season than last Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 So I guess it was too good to be true and now Disney is just gonna go with the cheaper '1 release for whole the season'? Tydirium and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jay said: So episodes 1-7 are just strings + synth? Seems likely. It would also explain the need to track season 1 music in, making do with what they could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jay said: So episodes 1-7 are just strings + synth? I think the article was mistaken on that. I think I definitely heard some live brass in this new episode (from non-tracked-in stuff). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 There could be so little new music recorded, it makes for a stronger listening experience to arrange it into a lengthy season OST instead of small weekly OSTs Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Ep1 had a very fair amount of new stuff. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Finished the Episode 3 OST. Great stuff, especially the lovely "I Need One of Those" ending track Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 They maybe release the season 2 scores like they do for the final season of Clone Wars, with one album when 4 épisodes will be release... Meanwhile, right now, I'm pissed off ! Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Man the Episode 4 OST is so great, a great blend of the one-off episode theme and super fun action music The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,436 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 So, no OST per episode like in season 1? I gotta say, that's disappointing. Unless, like people said, there's so little new music in season 2 that there's no need of one album per episode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 54 minutes ago, Edmilson said: like people said, there's so little new music in season 2 that there's no need of one album per episode. Just the first episode prove that "people" are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,651 Posted October 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 30, 2020 This is your fault! They saw you guys making playlists and edits and it gave them an idea! Edmilson, Obi, Disco Stu and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 10 minutes ago, mstrox said: This is your fault! They saw you guys making playlists and edits and it gave them an idea! In this, as in all things, we must blame Holko. Holko and Bilbo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Episode 5 OST was a nice change because it has much more scary type music than any episode yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Episode 6 OST is a dark and gritty experience for a bit of an unusual episode. It's cool to have one of the scores features a lot more electric guitar than the others Episode 7 & 8 OSTs are awesome. The whole season builds and builds to this finale, and within these 2 episodes they build and build to its big climax. So many emotional payoffs at the end. The only thing weird about this album is the really abrupt ending of the final track. What happens in the episode at this point? They maybe should have stuck the main theme suite on the end to round things out here or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted October 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted October 31, 2020 Having watched Chapter 9 this evening, I have A LOT to say about the score as heard in episode. First off, I'm going to keep this as spoiler-free as possible, but I will be discussing the music in relation to the show in some detail so if you haven't seen it yet you may want to bookmark this for later. I will say that this episode was a fun season opener! Anyways, what with all the worry and disappointment earlier today regarding an album (specifically the lack thereof), I'm trying to reason as best as can the cause for going this route, as well as what a release might end up looking like (fingers crossed for as much as possible, but I'm trying to look at this through a realistic lens). For one, this episode is scored in a very unique way: relatively equal parts new music and tracked Season 1 excerpts. Fortunately for the needledrops, they're generally well-placed, and the trained ear will be able to pick up on the production elements Goransson added to touch these cues up, which I can really appreciate. In addition to that, many said cues work their way into fresh material, so it's quite clear a lot of effort went into blending what they had with what they could manage to record in a way that was well-executed, musically consistent, and free from a cheap feeling. Some pre-existing elements that work their way into the show include, but may not be limited to: - the plunky echo sound from Chapter 3's Second Thoughts - the muted trumpets from Chapter 5's Raiders - a statement of the Razor Crest theme that could easily have been tracked in, touched up with synths - the walking music from the second half of Chapter 7's The Standoff - interspersed statements of the recorder theme, which could still technically be new recordings - the opening minute or so of Chapter 2's Celebration - various drum patterns from Chapter 1, 2, etc. - solo electric guitar version of the riff from Chapter 8's A Thousand Tears, speeded up with added percussion and synths for a fight scene Looking at that list now, that seems like quite a bit, but I never really got the feeling of copy-paste on many of these because of the very slight technical additions. That being said, there's still loads of great new music in here! This is where some mild general spoilers may appear, so while I am careful and considerate, it's fair game. New stuff includes: - opening scene: a hip-hop cue under two minutes in length, with the recorder riff played on electric guitar and a very prevalent bass beat. - a wacky source cue follows- it's kind of hard to describe what's really going on with it. - the western motif working towards the title card, punctuated by a brass version of the skeletal riff in five note stabs that is oh so cool - big setpiece comes early on for a travelling montage: it's a new string-based theme that could go any way at this point, as it could easily be a smashing one-off tune or one that is only at the start of its development (it's certainly becoming of a lot of neat variations!). Goes into a very Morricone guitar take on the new theme. - introducing a new character, fairly non-descript but highly interesting sounds are employed: a take on the Season 1 flashback drums and a familiar "guess the strange woodwind" moment - next travelling scene is yet another really fun and very different take on the new theme, more so riffing around it rather than stating it outright. - nostalgic recorders and shaking percussion, followed with the strings playing to the drama with a big two note suspense idea as a character tells a story. Jawa theme gets a brief cameo in this sequence, and the character and introduction and dramatic string reprise. - recorder riff underscores a speech from Mando, and leads into a preparation sequence, which gets a myriad of processed strings and solo winds, intermixed with electronics. This is yet another part of the episode where the score is at the forefront, and it's quite an awesome moment over all. - next walking sequence gets a Lawrence of Arabia-esque take on the recorder riff, yet another awesome new moment where the score is front and centre. The climax is where the mix between tracking and new music is most apparent, with several examples listed above (mainly from Chapter 2), appearing as mentioned. There's still plenty of string and electronic interplay that crops up for the first time to underscore these scenes. The credits play out the exact same way as the first season. In conclusion, the cues I'd most want to hear make it to a release are: - the opening hip hop cue (nice intro cue) - the western motif with brass outline (badass rendition) - the travelling setpiece with new theme (the big one) - second travelling setpiece, shorter but expansive in nature - the story flashback sequence (interesting idea and some callbacks) - preparation sequence (big score moment) - travelling to final confrontation sequence ("Arabian" strings) Here's my attempt to isolate the 5 cues I highlighted above. SFX are obviously still present: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15HO0z-sqlJU07G5IAe6FRxUVsT6zbfbb?usp=sharing I can understand how weekly releases are not the way Disney is going with this, but I'd certainly hope for at the very least the digital equivalent of two CDs length of music. Thinking about the long releases many TV scores of lower popularity have received recently (His Dark Materials, The Witcher), I'd hope something comparable is on the way for a truly worthy show. What I'd really like right now is a confirmation! Anyways... ...check out Ludwig Goransson conducting the theme from The Mandalorian just a few moments ago at the virtual premiere! Disco Stu, CGCJ and Holko 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 789 Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I just rewatched the episode, and now I have a better idea of what is new and what is tracked, and I would say that there are at least four or five cues of completely new music that would be worth having in a small album. Too bad they won't be doing those releases this time About the themes, I think I identified two new ones. The description maybe kind of a spoiler: Spoiler The first one is the travelling theme that leads Mando to Mos Pelgo, that plays a couple of times (I specially like the guitar variation when he arrives at the village) I also noted a repeating motif that plays during the flashback sequence, which could be a theme / motif for Cobb Vanth. It's a high string motif that plays when the miners attack the pub, and when he returns and kills the miners Also, the melody that plays when tuskens arrive at Mos Pelgo could be a variation of the "travelling theme", but could also be a new theme, I'm not sure And I think the tracked music is most noticeable in the final standoff with lots of segments from episode 2 and Spirit of the Woods from Episode 4. I hope that, when they do a release, it has almost all of the new cues (like the travelling music or the flashback sequence), and I also hope it happen before the season ends, because I cannot wait to hear some of this pieces outside the episode Holko and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Question for the experts: Do all 8 episodes of season 1 use the exact same recording of the "The Mandalorian" track from the episode 1 OST as its end credits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Yes, they all do, except for the one obvious one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 The "Orchestral Version" from the Episode 7 OST is a minute shorter than the normal version. Is it edited into the rest of the track for that episode? Or does episode 7 have shorter end credits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Well actually the other credits don't use the full track "The Mandalorian" either, if you pay attention, they all remove the opening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Ah, OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Just finished my rewatch of episode 7. Question for everyone here. What do you think is the musical or storytelling or whatever else reason for making episode 7 have different end credits music than all the other episodes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jay said: Just finished my rewatch of episode 7. Question for everyone here. What do you think is the musical or storytelling or whatever else reason for making episode 7 have different end credits music than all the other episodes? Because it ends on a darker cliffhanger. somewhat similar to the Ahsoka on the Run arc in CW season 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Agreed, because it's a 2-part episode with a cliffhanger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 You guys think every time they do a cliffhanger ending they'll make new end credits music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 To me, some of the music in Ep7 felt like the had some unused wild recordings lying around and wanted to use them, aside from the obvious properly scored ones like Reprogram and The Arrival, and aside from the reused tracked music. If that's the case, that credits rendition could have just been an unused variant too that they decided to use because of the dark cliffhanger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Interesting idea! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Looks like someone on YouTube managed a pretty darn good clean up job on Chapter 9 cues (NOTE: visuals contain spoilers for Chapter 9). Most notable ones are the Cobb Vanth entrance cue, which is almost completely clean (!), a much longer portion of the Mos Pelgo journey than I could manage (includes the guitar at the end), and this awesome wacky fight music pretty well done up. Anyways, still have my fingers crossed for a release or at the very least an announcement! Right now I think the most likely possibilities are: - 4 albums, released every second chapter with music from two episodes each (we'll know by tomorrow) - 2 albums, released at the midway point (Nov. 20) and at the season finale with music from four episodes each - a single album released at the end of the season As soon as any music is released we'll be sure to pounce on it quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: - 4 albums, released every second chapter with music from two episodes each (we'll know by tomorrow) It's already "tomorrow" in most countries, and there ain't no new album out https://music.apple.com/nz/artist/ludwig-göransson/391832320 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Jay said: It's already "tomorrow" in most countries, and there ain't no new album out The scores would always drop alongside the episode, so early morning EST. If it's going to happen that's the best bet, as they wouldn't be releasing the music before the episode was out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Ahhh ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 31 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: they wouldn't be releasing the music before the episode was out. that's what they did the whole first season.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Uh oh, expert fight! The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Jay said: You guys think every time they do a cliffhanger ending they'll make new end credits music? They'll probably just use the one they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 50 minutes ago, Spider-Fal said: that's what they did the whole first season.... I never stayed up to find out but yes, I realize that was the case. I guess it was often around midnight EST that they would drop? Not sure. In any case, there's time yet to find out, which was what I was ultimately getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: I guess it was often around midnight EST that they would drop? Yeah, it was midnight, I usually waited until then and posted the youtube link to here, Filmtracks, soundtrack and Star Wars Facebook groups I am part of. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Lovely lovely lovely music in this episode! Though with the ending being a reused (maybe differently mixed) S1 cue again, I can maybe kinda start to see why they're not doing the self-contained standalone OSTs this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ChrisAfonso 186 Posted November 6, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 6, 2020 Did I hear a hint of Williams' Resistance theme during the departure of the x-wings? The Illustrious Jerry, Tiburon, Pieter Boelen and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 OOOOOOOOHHHHHHH so that's what it was! I'm hearing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Yes, it's the first time he use a Williams theme. Weird because now, i will wonder why there's not the force theme when the child use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,525 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Maybe it will be used later when actual Jedi or Force Users show up or when the characters properly understand what it is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Good catch! Definitely a reference there, cleverly disguised only using the very end of the first phrase (unlike Powell's slightly more overt reference in Solo). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 It sounded like he used the whole thing to me... Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 Question! Does Goransson write unique music each week for the "previously on" recaps, or do the music editors just grab whatever to underscore it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 789 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 2 hours ago, Jay said: Question! Does Goransson write unique music each week for the "previously on" recaps, or do the music editors just grab whatever to underscore it? I think it's just music from different episodes mixed together, because for example, in this one I heard Nurse and Protect with I Need One Of Those BTW, this episode was a bit less heavy on music, but still had some interesting new tracks, like the theme that plays during several scenes with the frog lady. Found it on YouTube with some SFX: And March of the Resistance with that hip-hop arrangement was great! I wonder if, from now on, Goransson will make some more ocasional references to Williams material, or if it was just a one time off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2020 Having just watched the episode I am now ready to comment with as much brevity as possible: There was very little new music here, probably around 8-10 minutes total, which helps me to better understand why they aren't approaching releases like last year just yet (still...gimme an announcement!!!). Of the new stuff, the most audible in episode is as follows: - >1m guitar cue for Mando walking back to town with equipment over shoulders - 30 second cantina source cue (convinced Goransson is repurposing some rejected pop song ideas ) - 2-3 sweet ambient cues for Baby Yoda's fascination with the lizard eggs, which actually expands on ideas in Chapter 5's Bright Eyes (I believe this could become a new theme for the child). Compare the following: Plus that twinkly synth appears in both cues, so I think there's something there. - a similar cue to Chapter 9's opening with guitar riff theme while Mando inspects the damage to the ship - the March of the Resistance gets a full, heavily disguised quote, with the first part of the phrase playing quietly and the second part being the most audible in episode as the X-wings take off. I do not think this is going to become a recurring trait in terms of referencing Williams. It seems much more like a "Here's a nice little cameo I snuck in for those of you with good ears" moment from Ludwig, especially considering just how much of Goransson's own stamp has been put on it, how it's a soft reference as opposed to "BOOM...callback", something a lesser composer would've done. So I wouldn't expect any drops of the Force theme or things like that, especially given the fact that there were multiple opportunities in the first season. Who knows, but I'd prefer it not to happen! I do very much like this instance though! Tracked music, as far as my ears remember, includes: - Black Skies (Chapter 7) opening for the spider attack - Trashed Crest (Chapter 2) - Farewell (Chapter 5) for the ending - one or two more cues I cannot place right now A few more notes: - you can hear where the solo instruments and strings are really doing a lot of the work here, and I appreciate the combined effort between the tweaked tracked cues and the new music to create a serviceable underscore that isn't distractingly copy-paste to someone like me - it seems as though the score is comfortable working with Season 1's themes while adding a wide range of one-off set pieces to the mix instead of stacking up the catalogue (with this new Baby Yoda idea being a possible exception, despite its roots being in Season 1) I will be clipping up some of the music as best as I can, and will eventually add it to this folder alongside the Chapter 9 cues as soon as possible. Of course, it seems that the channel linked to in the post above seems to be doing much better cleaning these up than I am, but for my own purposes I'll continue as I have been anyways. BTW thanks for the terrific find @ChrisAfonso!!! Holko, Cerebral Cortex and ChrisAfonso 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Someone needs to post that March of the Resistance quote, I missed it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, DominicCobb said: Someone needs to post that March of the Resistance quote, I missed it! 3 hours ago, The Illustrious Jerry said: this folder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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