igger6 894 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I heard that MOTR quote instantly, too. What an odd choice. That’s not even close to being the Resistance. Those guys would maybe have kids in the Resistance. It’d be just as appropriate or more to reference the Rebel fanfare. Oh well. It was fun. Actually, I say do more of this. It’s a better tune than anything else in this series, and this kind of referencing would manifest musically what every other aspect of the series does: traffic in Star Wars iconography and tropes without really creating any cohesive new vision as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Well now I look silly, but in fairness it was a long post and missed that there was a link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 10 hours ago, igger6 said: I heard that MOTR quote instantly, too. What an odd choice. That’s not even close to being the Resistance. Those guys would maybe have kids in the Resistance. It’d be just as appropriate or more to reference the Rebel fanfare. Oh well. It was fun. Actually, I say do more of this. It’s a better tune than anything else in this series, and this kind of referencing would manifest musically what every other aspect of the series does: traffic in Star Wars iconography and tropes without really creating any cohesive new vision as yet. Why would they quote the Milennium Falcon fanfare? igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 For season 2 are they reusing the season 1 end credits music or did they record anything new for it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Watch and find out! It's better when following along with the adventure of the week than binged anyway. Spoiler reusing s1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I watched 2x01 last night and thought the end credits sounded a little different, but figured it was probably in my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I always thought the credits sounded weaker in s1 than the released track. I don't think I had that problem with these two, maybe they adjusted the mix. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Yea maybe that's what I noticed - a new mix (of the same recording) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,223 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 For those who have seen Chapter 10: The Passenger, listen carefully at the 34:20 mark. Ludwig Göransson uses a variation of Maestro John Williams’ March of the Resistance; it is quoted in the strings. Very cool homage. Also, considering that Leia would later found the Resistance within the New Republic, it makes sense that Göransson would link the theme with two New Republic X-Wing pilots. I just saw previous posts. I was not the only one who discovered this. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 Cremeritis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 The MOTR quote instantly jumped out to me too. Kind of a funny spot to introduce the show's first quote of a Williams theme, but Goransson certainly made it fit in well enough. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 The more I think about it, the more I think this was a smart way to approach the sensitive subject of when and where to use Williams, particularly given that the easiest theme to justify using in Season 1 would have been the Force theme, which has been exceptionally well-worn in recent years. I'm just as glad we didn't get a "Binary Sunset" quote to accompany the floating mudhorn, for example. (And Giacchino emphasized the potential pitfalls of putting that theme in another composer's hands.) This Easter egg may have been specific and nerdy enough to open the door to other not-so-obvious winks, which would be far more enjoyable in this era of abundant Star Wars music than just slathering on familiar arrangements. I still have my issues with Goransson's approach, and I wish he honored the Williams idiom more often than he does—themes or not—but this method of weaving in the familiar is growing on me. Next stop: droid motif! The Illustrious Jerry and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted November 8, 2020 Share Posted November 8, 2020 They did bring it back for the Clone Wars finale IIRC.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2020 What an awesome episode, with probably the most new music for Season 2 thus far! Here's what I heard in terms of fresh stuff: - lovely string-led development on the egg music from last episode for the frog reunion - new theme introduced for Bo Katan's group, a kick and punchy synth idea in action form for the barge fight - short cue involving strings and solemn guitar fanfare as Mando looks on at the exploding barge - a cue for the Quarren confrontation, features atmospheric synth ideas and short statement of the new theme - riffing on the new theme with familiar synth elements and eventually pizzicato when Mando drops the child off - an extended heist sequence full of the new theme and rocking hip hop elements, around 4 minutes in full - more Baby Yoda egg music for when Mando picks up the child - return of Quarren atmosphere for the squid in the cockpit at the end - one or two stringy dialogue underscore moments Tracked music, with alterations, includes: - opening atmosphere crash is a touch-up of Ch. 6's Hyperspace - Ch. 2's To the Jawas fanfare and chimes with a different ending for the boat shot - one cue made up of tracked elements from the Nevarro covert of Mandalorians (see Ch. 8's What Remains In The Tunnels) - several trackings of parts of Moff Gideon's theme, along with that heroic brass line that we had previously associated with IG not but a few weeks ago (that has since been changed as you can hear it in the strings in Ch. 6's Hyperspace, among other places) - a different mix of the opening of the orchestral version of the credits from Ch. 7 (does not play over the credits but just before) In conclusion, this episode shares the most similarities with Ch. 6, but is still largely unique and feels very much at home with what we've heard so far this season. I loved the new theme for Bo Katan's group! The Drive folder has been updated with everything that could be extracted as cleanly as possible, around 10 minutes in total with another 4 or 5 missing. New music will be posted here weekly: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/15HO0z-sqlJU07G5IAe6FRxUVsT6zbfbb Hopefully we'll get a halfway release next week as there should be no shortage of music with which to fill it. Fingers crossed! CGCJ, Knight of Ren, Obi and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 789 Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 I loved this episode and I really liked the music in this one, especially Bo Katan's theme. It sounds kind of similar to Mando's theme but it has its own agressive industrial twist, which makes it something of its own, and the variation when they are attacking the freighter is so cool! I really hope they do a mid-season score release next week (like they did for Season 7 of Clone Wars). And if Ahsoka finally appears, I really hope we hear some hint to her theme, but that's just me dreaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CGCJ 394 Posted November 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2020 Tiburon, crumbs, Obi and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Great news! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I figured that'd be the case, considering there's a lot less new music this season, and it would be ridiculous to charge $10 for like 15 minutes of music per episode. I imagine they could easily fit all of the music from the first four episodes into a single traditional 60-80-minute album presentation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight of Ren 789 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 That's great news! So I think they will release this Friday, the same time the episode is released, like they did with Season 1. Cannot wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 So both MANDO and SOLO on Friday? A bit daft on Disney Records' part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 I don’t think the Mando score is coming on Friday November 13th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Fixed my post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2020 If only to tide us over until Friday, I've been working on some isolated score videos for Chapter 8. They are available to view in this Drive folder, or as they are below. I recommend switching to 1080p HD if your device does not display that quality by default. The Ewebb / A Thousand Tears Pt. 1 A Thousand Tears Pt. 2 / Nurse and Protect A Warrior's Death Sacrifice / Mando Flies / The Baby Companion guide is on the way! Turns out it isn't merely as simple as a copy/paste job, as there are many necessary revisions to be made based on recent discoveries. In any case, it's nearly ready! Looking forward... Holko, CGCJ, ragoz350 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 On 11/14/2020 at 7:11 PM, CGCJ said: Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 So I just discovered the season 2, volume 1 CD is now working through Shazam. I tried one of the suspense scenes at the end of Chapter 11. Do your stuff, people! https://www.shazam.com/track/545753557/ship-o-hoj-mandalorians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,388 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 All the tracks seem to be in Shazam's database already. Here is what I found (not in the correct order): Spoiler 13 tracks: The Marshal's Tale Reunited Snacks Quite a Soldier Experiment Mando Is Back Back Together Beneath the Ice Enjoy the Fights Tusken Raiders Long Live the Empire Get the Child Ship o hoj, Mandalorians! The Illustrious Jerry and Holko 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 What does "Ship o hoj" mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 41 minutes ago, Jay said: What does "Ship o hoj" mean? Perhaps a misspelling of Ship Ahoy? Or some other (Star Wars?) language version of it or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 4 hours ago, crumbs said: So I just discovered the season 2, volume 1 CD is now working through Shazam. I tried one of the suspense scenes at the end of Chapter 11. Do your stuff, people! https://www.shazam.com/track/545753557/ship-o-hoj-mandalorians Thanks for actually providing the URL instead of just the information! For future reference, this is all you have to do. Take the URL: https://www.shazam.com/track/545753557/ship-o-hoj-mandalorians And remove the words so you just have the ID#: https://www.shazam.com/track/545753557 Then, change the ID# by 1 in both directions and submit, and keep repeating, and eventually you'll find all the tracks, potentially after skipping over other albums that they were adding to their DB at the same time https://www.shazam.com/track/545753531 Get the Child https://www.shazam.com/track/545753532 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753533 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753534 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753535 Long Live the Empire https://www.shazam.com/track/545753536 Tusken Raiders https://www.shazam.com/track/545753537 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753538 Enjoy the Fights https://www.shazam.com/track/545753539 Beneath the Ice https://www.shazam.com/track/545753540 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753541 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753542 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753543 Back Together https://www.shazam.com/track/545753544 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753545 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753546 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753547 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753548 Mando Is Back https://www.shazam.com/track/545753549 Experiment https://www.shazam.com/track/545753550 Quite a Soldier https://www.shazam.com/track/545753551 Snacks https://www.shazam.com/track/545753552 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753553 Reunited https://www.shazam.com/track/545753554 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753555 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753556 https://www.shazam.com/track/545753557 Ship o hoj, Mandalorians! https://www.shazam.com/track/545753558 The Marshal's Tale That's all there is to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 13 Tracks is not a lot, but Ill take what i can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,313 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 4 hours ago, MedigoScan said: 13 Tracks is not a lot, but Ill take what i can get. I was surprised how much music was being recognized as tracked from season 1. Still, there's a handful of new cues that aren't being recognised for the new release, so that's a shame. I really like the chapter 10 cue in the ruined Razor Crest where the frog pleads with Mando to help her, but that wasn't identified. And obviously the March of the Resistance omission is annoying (but understandable). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I wonder if reuse fees are responsible for the less frequent releases and for keeping the tracklist theoretically short. I say theoretically, because I won't commit to a final tracklist until it's revealed. Even if Ludwig spruced the tracks up for the show, it would still be the union performances done last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I have finished the first season of this, it was quite nice and relaxing to watch. The main theme I would probably consider to be the best I've heard on TV in the last twenty years. So. Did Göransson provide the sketches for the orchestral arrangement of said theme, or was an orchestrator brought in to do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 He actually orchestrated the entire thing himself as he was writing it. Watch this 8 minute youtube video, it will explain it completely (and is a terrific watch regardless) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Well, that's rather encouraging. Good on him! Thanks for the link, I'll watch it tonight. I have some more things I'd like to talk about later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I actually already watched that video a couple of nights ago. In it, Ludwig doesn't really say specifically that he actually wrote for the individual instruments involved in the orchestral "JW homage" arrangement of the theme. It's one thing to say that he wanted the brass to sound like traditional Star Wars, but that doesn't necessarily mean he actually wrote the sheets for that section of the orchestra. I'm just wondering how well-equipped, musically, Goransson really is. Because I think that being capable of writing properly and convincingly for an orchestra by himself raises him to another level - higher than say your typical experimental rock musician working in film and TV. BLUMENKOHL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I mean the video makes it clear he came up with everything by fiddling around with instruments, but it sounds like you're asking only about the big fanfare part that often plays when the Razor Crest takes off for a new journey? Yea maybe someone else helped with the exact instrumentation to play which part when. Makes no difference to me personally >shrug< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Hmm, for some reason you're playing down a query about orchestration duties/attributes where countless threads and debates within once flourished and even raged here for many many years. 39 minutes ago, Jay said: it sounds like you're asking only about the big fanfare part that often plays when the Razor Crest takes off for a new journey? Yea maybe someone else helped with the exact instrumentation to play which part when. I am referring specially, as mentioned earlier, to this cue: and I am simply trying to find out whether (or not) Goransson orchestrated this cue himself (as Williams and Howard Shore might). I'm sorry that you are not able to understand the reasoning behind this query. But I think it's quite important. On a straightforward level, it helps me to further determine the [potentially symphonic] scoring chops of this Ludwig guy. 39 minutes ago, Jay said: Yea maybe someone else helped with the exact instrumentation to play which part when. Makes no difference to me personally >shrug< It does to me, very much so. *Edited for terrible typing errors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Williams uses orchestrators, hence most of his credits only saying "Music Composed by", not "Music Composed, Orchestrated, and Conducted by" like Shore, sure his sketches are detailed, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Oh boy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Perhaps this might help? https://www.themarysue.com/tutti-music-partners-mandalorian-star-wars-us/ Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Oh I completely missed that you were asking about the Episode 7 end credits cue, and not the standard one played in all the other episodes. My bad Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Spider-Fal said: Perhaps this might help? https://www.themarysue.com/tutti-music-partners-mandalorian-star-wars-us/ It really does, thank you! and now I can determine that Goransson is a composer of a certain quality. One to watch, perhaps. But the late John Barry would have been disappointed that he doesn't always conduct his own work. BLUMENKOHL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Not a lot do these days, Powell, Giacchino, etc. do the booth thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Yeah, I'm not into that. Call me out of touch or whatever, but I think a composer or musician should be really close to their performance and band mates when he/she directs its conception. Let the engineers look after the recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,439 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 JNH doesn't conduct his own music either in recording sessions. He could if he wanted, I saw him conduct in concerts a few times, but he prefers to leave that gig to Pete Anthony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 That's why they choose to be in the booth, so they can get the direct the conception of the audio levels There are a few scores Rozsa didn't conduct as well IIRC. Some of Jurassic Park was conducted by Artie Kane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Is JNH a great of cinema music? I personally consider him to be tier 3. 6 minutes ago, Spider-Fal said: Some of Jurassic Park was conducted by Artie Kane. Health reasons (and whatever else similar) are justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 What's the thing they all do now, striping? (recording sections of the orchestra etc. on different days etc.) The idea of an orchestra conductor seems a hopelessly romantic dream for stuff like that. KK 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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