Arpy 4,145 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 I love the track 'The Mandalorian' and it becomes a really great earworm, but at points I was wondering why the brass sounds a bit tinny and electronic and was left wanting more oomph! to those orchestral parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,649 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 As long as they keep making Star Wars trailers, John Williams will always be...a Star Wars composer Variety: “Even at 175 years old and dead, John Williams continues to write amazing Star Wars music, as evidenced by the trailer for Episode XXI. Note how he mashed up Rey’s Theme with The Imperial March! Those classic Star Wars synth BWOMPs! Amazing!” Tydirium and Kasey Kockroach 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Disney will transfer JW's consciousness to an artificial body, so he will be able to continue scoring Star Wars movies for the whole eternity! A. A. Ron and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,510 Posted November 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2019 . 1977, Arpy and Kasey Kockroach 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Leaing up to this, I had basically no hype or major interest, knew I'd give it a try anyway but none of the trailers and stuff really tickled me. After this episode, I was mildly curious to see how it continues, where they're taking it. After listening to the mini-OST about 5 times: Hell yeah, bring it on! More of this, now! Disco Stu and The Illustrious Jerry 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,424 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 17 minutes ago, Modest Expectations said: I am sure RCP will present the board with a more economically advantageous option. A smart film scoring app that will render composers obsolete. A transfered consciousness of Lorne Balfe. Hollywood will build a Kamino-like factory of Lorne Balfe clones, that will score every movie from now on. Then, Zimmer will finally fulfill his dream of every film score sounding just like The Dark Knight Rises. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 It will be a hive consciousness like the Borg, where composers are assimilated until all become one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 13, 2019 As soon as I heard it, I knew the score would be divisive. I don't think it's generic at all, in fact what I like so much about it is how Gorannsson voice is so clearly heard if you're familiar with his Creed scores and Black Panther. Even if you don't actually like it, it is definitely not "generic standard RCP" or whatever made up stuff you wanna say. You can definitely hear his background producing modern hip hop, like with the specific drum machine sound in "Bounty Droid." So are there any other JWFans that like the score so far? I know @Holko and @Nick Parker do, anyone else? Larry O, The Illustrious Jerry and aviazn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 . 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,649 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 If it worked for the show it is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 35 minutes ago, Modest Expectations said: Is that good? I think as just one aspect of his compositional style, it really adds to his personal voice. Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Not much to the score in ep1. There were some soaring brass parts, but everything else was pretty electronic and takes a back seat. I guess grittiness in media is best portrayed by electronic elements in this day and age. The end credits track "The Mandalorian" reminded me of Bill Conti's Rocky score. I liked it. Overall, the score was just another back seat score for me. It wasn't fully orchestrated like we're used to, but I think it works. Rating: 3.5/5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 6 hours ago, Disco Stu said: So are there any other JWFans that like the score so far? I know @Holko and @Nick Parker do, anyone else? Count me in! I've been rooting for Göransson the whole time, baby! Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Should we have one thread to discuss the score and one to discuss the show itself, or do ya'll prefer them being combined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Edmilson 7,424 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Yeah, I think it'll be best to split it indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 Agreed, especially since some of us might not be able to watch the show, and people could be more free to discuss spoilers and all that. As for the score, I wrote my thoughts on it in the Last Score thread: ...How do you do that link thing to other posts? 3 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: Finally listened to The Mandalorian episode 1 score for the first time in full. Lots of fun! When I imagine a space Western, I imagine a very eclectic menagerie of different cultures at play, and the music delivers that in spades. The bass recorder theme is surprisingly versatile, musically, receiving more naked renditions, as well as more groovy variations where its inherent rhythm is more pronounced and obvious. Overall the music definitely feels more isolated and cold, which I'm sure is perfect for the subject matter. I really admire the spirit that pervades it: as a kid, one of my favorite things about Star Wars was the vast worlds you were transported to, while still maintaining a grounding in our own world. Williams wrote music that achieved that balance--the exotic and the familiar--and so far Goransson has done so as well. A great inheritance of musical philosophy, if you will. Romão 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 8 hours ago, Disco Stu said: As soon as I heard it, I knew the score would be divisive. I don't think it's generic at all, in fact what I like so much about it is how Gorannsson voice is so clearly heard if you're familiar with his Creed scores and Black Panther. Even if you don't actually like it, it is definitely not "generic standard RCP" or whatever made up stuff you wanna say. You can definitely hear his background producing modern hip hop, like with the specific drum machine sound in "Bounty Droid." So are there any other JWFans that like the score so far? I know @Holko and @Nick Parker do, anyone else? I like the score. I don't think it's necessarily "brilliant," but it feels fresh and it fits the show like a glove so far. I particularly like the woodwinds for the title character. aviazn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 The track "HammerTime" is sooooo good. 46 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: The bass recorder theme is surprisingly versatile Did you notice how those intense strings are playing the main motif in that track? Versatile indeed! At 0:46 DarthDementous 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted November 13, 2019 Share Posted November 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Jay said: Should we have one thread to discuss the score and one to discuss the show itself, or do ya'll prefer them being combined Two threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 14, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 14, 2019 18 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: The track "HammerTime" is sooooo good. Did you notice how those intense strings are playing the main motif in that track? Versatile indeed! At 0:46 Ugh, high strings playing a syncopated melody, harmonized with minor and augmented chords on every note, with sudden key changes? What pop drivel. Not Mr. Big, Holko, ocelot and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Nick Parker said: Ugh, high strings playing a syncopated melody, harmonized with minor and augmented chords on every note, with sudden key changes? What pop drivel. anything I don't like = pop music A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I think if it weren't for the pop stuff I'd actually have actually enjoyed the score. After listening to the OST, that seems to be my main issue with the score. It's a little too modern for Star Wars. My other gripe would be a lack of any themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Disco Stu said: So are there any other JWFans that like the score so far? I know @Holko and @Nick Parker do, anyone else? Definitely a fan. Currently think I might respect it's direction and approach more than I might actually fully like it, but it's growing on me with each listen. I like how "weird" the music is, for lack of a better word. All these seemingly incongruous sounds working rather harmoniously together to somehow produce one clear vision is something to be admired. 2 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: My other gripe would be a lack of any themes. We've still got 7 episodes to go, my friend. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 13 hours ago, Disco Stu said: So are there any other JWFans that like the score so far? I know @Holko and @Nick Parker do, anyone else? I like it, it's different and for a while now I think we've been missing that from Star Wars - Giacchino and Powell have their voices come through, with strong reverence to Williams, Haab is literally conducting a seance with Williams to make a convincing emulation, but we haven't had anything different like this. For me it's paradoxical in a sense to have Star Wars scores from anyone other than Williams, because each composer has had to work with a certain set of conventions, but it means we can't step outside of them without causing some sort of ruckus, and because we've only had, what, six other composers step in since Williams, all paying homage to that style, we haven't had the proper variety to know what else Star Wars could sound like. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I think if it weren't for the pop stuff I'd actually have actually enjoyed the score. After listening to the OST, that seems to be my main issue with the score. It's a little too modern for Star Wars. My other gripe would be a lack of any themes. There's a theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 The credits piece has 3 separate quickly identifiable melodies which show up in other tracks! Except for the big bombastic one, not sure about that showing up right now. More if you count things like the rythm with the 2 piano notes. Larry O and Cerebral Cortex 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 3 hours ago, Holko said: Except for the big bombastic one, not sure about that showing up right now. What do you mean? The bombastic brass theme has a major presentation in the track "You Are a Mandalorian"; that's where it shows up in the actual episode's score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I was thinking of the part when it suddenly gets huge and joyous with guitar and stuff, 2:09 of "The Mandalorian". That part somehow makes me think of Slave Children and Olympic Fanfare and Theme mashed together and thrown into the Mexican frontier. Disco Stu and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Edmilson 7,424 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 I took a nap today, and I had a dream on which the score for this series was made of disco music, and the main theme was the classic Bee Gees tune "More Than a Woman" (which played on the radio today): For the actual music on the show though, I listened to the Ep 1 OST, and to be honest... I didn't like it. Sure, from a pure intelectual point of view, it's intelligent and well composed, with the music reflecting this dark, seedy criminal underworld of the Star Wars galaxy that the show apparently is about. But it's not easy listening, neither Star Wars music (well, maybe parts of the Jedha music Giacchino wrote for Rogue One). Much like on these modern scores critics rave about, the orchestra sounds tiny, even though on an interview with Burligame, Goransson said he used a 70 musicians orchestra, but processed it electronically along with the unusual instruments. The main theme is good, but nothing much different from his Black Panther and Creed themes, posessing the same obvious Bill Conti influence, but sounding nothing like JW. Anyway, I'll hear the other minialbuns, let's see how his music will evolve during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted November 14, 2019 Share Posted November 14, 2019 What about the mandolin tracks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Been able to gather my thoughts after a few listens: This one's definetly a grower, as in, I enjoy it more and more with each listen. Göransson's themes are on-point and unique, albeit familiar in style and sound to Creed and Black Panther, especially the former (I'll link to some examples when I track them down). I'm still digging the recorder at the beginning of Hey Mando! and the lower piano theme in the latter half of the same track likewise (reminds me of some of the Lex Luthor stuff from BvS). Hammer Time is probably my favourite track aside from the credits music obviously (which is awesome!!!). I love the Morricone influences for some of the guitar moments, and some other instruments that I can't quite identify. All in all it's a splendid nugget of music, and I'm immensely pleased with how they're going about releasing it after each episode, which is the ideal scenario for people like us on JW Fan, who want as much as we can get. I normally dislike electronic scores and I can't stand modern hip-hop, but Göransson's expertise across the musical spectrum here provides what ought to be an example of how different film score tastes can be compromised upon in ways that are inventive, progressive and cooperative with the orchestra at the same time. I've been cheering for this fellow since I heard Creed, and he's one of a small group of composers that look to be leading the future generation onwards. Holko and aviazn 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 15, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 15, 2019 I actually like the smaller sound of the orchestra, especially the brass. It really sounds like an homage to classic Western sounds (also paid tribute to with scores such as Red Dead Redemption: ) DarthDementous, Larry O and aviazn 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I do believe chapter 2 is up: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 Love the new main theme setting in Trashed Crest and Celebration! Interesting off-kilter rythmic motif for the Jawas. Not a fan of either the heavy synth sound design or the ctrl+c ctrl+v lift of The Asset's end in The Mudhorn. Love The Next Journey! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted November 15, 2019 Share Posted November 15, 2019 I listened to both releases on Spotify today. I liked it! Nice little tv score. I haven't seen the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I've listened to these mini-albums repeatedly since their release and I must say that Goransson exceeds himself. One of the biggest takeaways for me is that he is not at all confined by the 40+ years of Star Wars music that came before him, and while I expected his style to shine through his work to some degree I'm really quite pleased that he's completely doing his own thing here. It's very refreshing. To really exemplify what I'm getting at, look no further than the Jawa motif from Chapter 2. Had I been scoring this, regardless of my track record and musical tendencies, I would've definitely tied in a musical Easter egg from The Little People. Who wouldn't right? But Goransson refrains from that. In fact, he actually writes a completely new motif. I've marked my favourite tracks from the first two chapters so I can make a highlights playlist at the end of the season, but I've been listening through the albums constantly. My favourite tracks are HammerTime, You Are A Mandalorian, The Mandalorian, Jawas Attack, Trashed Crest, and Celebration, but there are very few moments overall that I do not enjoy. Case in point, hats off to Ludwig! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 So far as I can tell, this is the first Star Wars tie-in that doesn't feature ANY John Williams motifs/themes in it, correct? At least so far. There will probably be a Force Theme statement at some point, I imagine. Although the fact they've gotten through the first two episodes without any recognizable Williams is still pretty remarkable. People keep mentioning Morricone across the internet but this really does seem more like if he's channeling anyone, it's Conti again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted November 16, 2019 Share Posted November 16, 2019 I like it. Just watched the two episodes that are out and I'm hooked, might even consider listening to the score separately when the season's over. I enjoy the BP score and Childish Gambino's "Awaken, My Love!" but haven't listened to much else by Göransson. Interesting varied palette, sometimes gimmicky instrumental moments (he's no Jedi Morricone) in opposition to somewhat conventional orchestral writing for 2019. But considering the positioning and expectations for the show and Disney+ they've struck a nice balance. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 On 11/14/2019 at 8:10 PM, Jurassic Shark said: What about the mandolin tracks? You mean Mando'lin? Hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 He. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 The track "Jawas Attack" in the chapter as a The Lost World mood. The Score not really sounding like Star Wars, but's I like it. Very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 17, 2019 Share Posted November 17, 2019 I’m indifferent to the music. I don’t have Disney+ but judging by the previews, this show seems a bit more quirkier than your standard Star Wars fare. I’d say it was more essential for Solo and Rogue One to have a more traditional musical sound, especially the latter since it segues directly into Star Wars. I really enjoyed his Black Panther score though. That could have really gone the generic, modern route but thankfully they had sense not to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JibberJabberwocky 9 Posted November 18, 2019 Share Posted November 18, 2019 I am enjoying the second chapter album release more than the first. There are moments, especially the opening to "The Next Journey" that remind me of Tom Pierson's score for Quartet, a film by Robert Altman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Chapter 3 EP: shad79 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 Less taken with this batch, though Signet Forging, Mando Rescue and I Need One of Those are great. The woodwind motif on orchestra sounds like Goldsmith's Klingon motif! gilbarc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I continue to enjoy these! Smaug The Iron and Obi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 22, 2019 EDIT: Sorry to spam with so many Youtube links . Just wanted to get the discussion started on this score more in-depth! Also, @Falstaft some potential new entries for your catalog ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Chapter Three clarifies that some material introduced in Chapter One are in fact recurring themes. Discussing with @Holko, whose seen the new episode (I haven't yet), our thinking is that: This is the theme for Mandalorians as a group/culture: (starting at 0:45 - 1:30) Recurring in these cues in Chapter Three: (0:00) (2:55) (0:12) -------------------------------------------------------------- And this seems to be a theme for Werner Herzog's mysterious character: (2:45) And here at 3:00 in the Chapter Three OST ---------------------------------------------- Also it's now been two episodes in a row that the major key fanfare from the Chapter One end credits has been used for shots of the Razor Crest (his ship) lifting off at the ends of episodes. Maybe call it the Razor Crest Fanfare? (1:21) and at 0:08 --------------------------------------------- OK one more recurring melody I noticed that doesn't seem to have a specific meaning. But it sounds a LOT like the Kylo Ren theme: 0:20 And at 0:55 here for Chapter Three Holko, Obi, DarthDementous and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,514 Posted November 22, 2019 Share Posted November 22, 2019 I love the new brass setting of the Pedro Motif (what else could I call him?) in addition to the previous exotic woodwind and intense strings versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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