Jay 37,323 Posted October 22, 2019 Author Share Posted October 22, 2019 I never saw any interview or explanation for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Disco Stu said: I'm interested in how this came about. Were the trailer house composers given access to session recordings? Maybe the producers liked that cue and sent just that one cue to the trailer people saying "use this." Was there ever an interview with them about it? Actually I’d like to know more about this also. I find it hard to believe even trailer house composers would have access to the score given how Disney seems to be so secretive. But hey, it could be JJ asking for Jedi steps to be used or whoever has enough power to ask this. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/movies/8533734/star-wars-trailer-fans-react-john-williams-rise-of-skywalker-score lol This guy wrote the trailer music is on Twitter btw So ask him! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, mstrox said: https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/movies/8533734/star-wars-trailer-fans-react-john-williams-rise-of-skywalker-score lol unintentionally funny tweets! gotta love em! 3 minutes ago, mstrox said: This guy wrote the trailer music is on Twitter btw So ask him! I don't have a Twitter account anymore so ask him for us! Did he do the TLJ final trailer as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 The trailer music 'worked' okay in terms of giving a sense of epic-ness (in my opinion), but I don't find it amazing like a lot of general public does. What do people find so appealing about this kind of epic-anthem type of music? I remember seeing people online saying how disappointing it was that Williams didn't put the awesome epic trailer music in the movie itself. DarthDementous and Hristo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,647 Posted October 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: I don't have a Twitter account anymore so ask him for us! Did he do the TLJ final trailer as well? I would, but I only use my Twitter to call celebrities “Daddy!” Disco Stu, Ii2, MikeH and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montre 79 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 I lost brain cells reading those reddit comments. Ii2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted October 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2019 I don't even find those comments funny. They make me legitimately angry. I want to magically teleport to each of their individual homes to tell them how stupid they are. Remco, Edmilson, Montre and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Do it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 the isolated music track Ii2 and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Fabulin 3,510 Posted October 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, mstrox said: https://www.billboard.com/articles/news/movies/8533734/star-wars-trailer-fans-react-john-williams-rise-of-skywalker-score Montre, Muad'Dib and Edmilson 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,273 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, toothless said: Actually I’d like to know more about this also. I find it hard to believe even trailer house composers would have access to the score given how Disney seems to be so secretive. But hey, it could be JJ asking for Jedi steps to be used or whoever has enough power to ask this. Does Lucasfilm have someone in-house cutting the trailers or are those outsourced to editors as well? Because they're obviously giving chunks of the movie to those lucky people too. Just NDA's and all that. I'm sure it's all hilariously covert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, MrJosh said: The trailer music 'worked' okay in terms of giving a sense of epic-ness (in my opinion), but I don't find it amazing like a lot of general public does. What do people find so appealing about this kind of epic-anthem type of music? I dunno, it all feels fake to me, just surface-level manipulation with no real sentiment behind it all. It’s ironic though, that the same people who cream their pants over this stuff will hear a traditional JW score and complain, “ahhh these orchestra songs are manipulating meeeee.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka 242 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 48 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: the isolated music track Damn! Someone rewrote this stuff fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Sounds pretty accurate to my ears too Ii2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ii2 210 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Montre said: I lost brain cells reading those reddit comments. And the posters lost brain cells posting them. Then again, there was not much brain to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post MikeH 768 Posted October 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2019 Why does Yoda’s theme play over C3P0? Maybe JW did this track after all! DarthDementous, Will, Luka and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,676 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 2 hours ago, MrJosh said: The trailer music 'worked' okay in terms of giving a sense of epic-ness (in my opinion), but I don't find it amazing like a lot of general public does. What do people find so appealing about this kind of epic-anthem type of music? I remember seeing people online saying how disappointing it was that Williams didn't put the awesome epic trailer music in the movie itself. I just listened to the isolated version (haven't watched the trailer itself) and rather liked the music. What's so appealing? It's got a nice rhythm, melody and... I just like it. Joni Wiljami and TSMefford 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted October 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 22, 2019 wow, this really tells something about the way trailer music is being produced these days. He doesn't even know which other composers contributed to it? Manakin Skywalker, The Five Tones, TheUlyssesian and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Just now, lemoncurd said: wow, this really tells something about the way trailer music is being produced these days. He doesn't even know which other composers contributed to it? Blech Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 6 hours ago, Disco Stu said: unintentionally funny tweets! gotta love em! Praising John Williams, but not recognising it's not his work. I mean, it sounds so clearly synthesised and processed that it's incongruent with anything JW has written. 6 hours ago, MrJosh said: I remember seeing people online saying how disappointing it was that Williams didn't put the awesome epic trailer music in the movie itself. Believe me, this happens for most scores - just take a look at amazon reviews for a soundtrack album, giving it one star for not including the trailer music! I think people legitimately don't give two fucks about the score, but the epic music they heard in the trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bayesian 1,359 Posted October 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2019 7 minutes ago, lemoncurd said: wow, this really tells something about the way trailer music is being produced these days. He doesn't even know which other composers contributed to it? 300 years ago: a single person would write all the music for a complex product like an opera. He’d orchestrate it too, and adapt the libretto after choosing himself the source material. After he was done, sometimes he’d adapt his own work into suites or reduce it for piano or smaller ensembles. Just one guy. Today: A battery of musicians must be hired from an outside trailer music house to adapt someone else’s themes for a two-minute trailer. A 4-min pop song requires half a dozen credited producers and songwriters in addition to the performer himself/herself. It’s a strange world. Edmilson, TheUlyssesian, SingeMoisi and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 The trailer music is fine as trailer music. It just seems bad when they could have gone with new music from IX, given that the most of it has been recorded for a while. But, genres are genres, and typical movie-goers like the now-typical trailer soundscape. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,273 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 It’s obviously because Williams hasn’t written anything good for this movie. Luka 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,037 Posted October 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2019 I'm watching friends (who are Williams fans) geek out about the trailer music on Facebook. Like @Tom said, this stuff gets produced and used because moviegoers eat it up. I actually really enjoy some of the trailer music for the sequel trilogy - mainly the theatrical trailer for TFA, plus some of the variations on Williams' TFA themes in the trailers for TLJ. There's a part of my brain that responds to the rest of it, too, but it usually gets drowned out by the louder part of my brain that's tired of the formula. Modern trailer music is like fast food. We isolate the elements that we desire with our most primitive instincts - salt, fat, pop chord progressions, broad unisono horns - and then we exaggerate those elements' presence past the point of recognition. This triggers our brains' reward systems...at least until you've had so much of it that you're ready to puke and go find yourself a nice salad. Incidentally, I could really go for a burger right now. And I can't get the TFA trailer music out of my head. Smeltington, Richard Penna, The Five Tones and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,273 Posted October 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2019 I got a kick out of Rey and Kylo’s themes and Jedi Steps being trailerized. I guess it’s sort of a rite of passage now. I remember when everyone made fun of the second TFA teaser with the big drums on the Force theme extension (“Daaaa! DAAAAA!! DAAAAAA!!!”) Sounds positively Williams-esque now in comparison. The Five Tones, Cerebral Cortex and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 6 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Does Lucasfilm have someone in-house cutting the trailers or are those outsourced to editors as well? Because they're obviously giving chunks of the movie to those lucky people too. Just NDA's and all that. I'm sure it's all hilariously covert. I do remember reading during the lead up to TFA that whoever cuts the trailers (can't remember who) gets shots from the movie completely out of order, and is basically told "make something cool out of this." That prevents plot leaks and also results in more exciting, visceral trailers that don't focus on explaining storylines, since the people cutting the trailer don't even know the plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 That Reddit must have some policy against new posters or something because my response to that idiocy from this morning is still only visible to me when logged into the account I specifically made to post it. Guess they're fine with that kind of amateurish dilettante crap but god forbid they don't filter out posts from new accounts. Anyway it looks like a few of you cleaned up nicely there anyway. Also Blake Robinson is a stand up guy but trailer music is what it is. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 It was the biggest turd I heard drop this week and I take enormous shits every morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 51 minutes ago, Dixon Hill said: That Reddit must have some policy against new posters or something because my response to that idiocy from this morning is still only visible to me when logged into the account I specifically made to post it. Guess they're fine with that kind of amateurish dilettante crap but god forbid they don't filter out posts from new accounts. Anyway it looks like a few of you cleaned up nicely there anyway. Also Blake Robinson is a stand up guy but trailer music is what it is. Darn, I would have liked to have seen some classic TGP bullshit nullification action. I appreciate your efforts regardless, even if I can't see them. Will and Dixon Hill 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 I reckon being vexed by posting on Reddit makes me officially an oldster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Nah, I reckon you're right in that they most likely had some policy in place to prevent newly created accounts from posting so as to weed out spamming from bot accounts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Five Tones 302 Posted October 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2019 I loved the trailer and was genuinely moved by it, despite the music which was possibly the biggest disappointment of these farmed out tag team scores yet. That final treatment of the main title is just wrong on levels - if you want a theme accompanied by this well-worn variation of the four-chord pop progression ("6-4-1-5") e.g. from "Zombie," "Poker Face," "Bailando" or "Building a Mystery" (lol) then write that theme. Don't ruin JW's. MikeH, Remco, Ii2 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Personally. Didn't care for the music in the first half, but during the second half...Idk...I couldn't help but feel it. I dug it. Hearing all the negativity though, I'm curious, and I'm not trying to be hostile...what would you guys here have wanted tracked in from the other 8 films / how could the trailer house have composed it better? I know we have talented composers here and i'd be curious to hear what some might come up with. 4 minutes ago, The Five Tones said: I loved the trailer and was genuinely moved by it, despite the music which was possibly the biggest disappointment of these farmed out tag team scores yet. That final treatment of the main title is just wrong on levels - if you want a theme accompanied by this well-worn variation of the four-chord pop progression ("6-4-1-5") e.g. from "Zombie," "Poker Face," "Bailando" or "Building a Mystery" (lol) then write that theme. Don't ruin JW's. Why though? What's wrong with it? It's just a trailer. It's not like this will appear in this manner in the actual film. Although, if it does (but recorded by Williams) I will laugh my ass off, out loud, in the theater. Luka and Docteur Qui 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 There is nothing objectively wrong with it, but it's not consistent with the style of the saga. It's throwaway lowest common denominator writing. Save it for the anthologies and spinoffs. I don't think it matters that it's only a trailer - it sets up a style fatigue that can carry over to the film. And in terms of keeping the saga differentiated from Marvel and everything else, rather than just competitive which is a losing battle, it's not there. igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 48 minutes ago, The Five Tones said: I loved the trailer and was genuinely moved by it, despite the music which was possibly the biggest disappointment of these farmed out tag team scores yet. That final treatment of the main title is just wrong on levels - if you want a theme accompanied by this well-worn variation of the four-chord pop progression ("6-4-1-5") e.g. from "Zombie," "Poker Face," "Bailando" or "Building a Mystery" (lol) then write that theme. Don't ruin JW's. In your heeead, in your heeeaaad, Jedi, Jedi, Jedi-i-iii The Five Tones and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 40 minutes ago, The Five Tones said: There is nothing objectively wrong with it, but it's not consistent with the style of the saga. It's throwaway lowest common denominator writing. Save it for the anthologies and spinoffs. I don't think it matters that it's only a trailer - it sets up a style fatigue that can carry over to the film. And in terms of keeping the saga differentiated from Marvel and everything else, rather than just competitive which is a losing battle, it's not there. Have you seen almost all movie trailers today? Hardly any of them accurately represent their films anymore. Almost all trailers follow a formula. Star Wars has never been an exception to this really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 It's all about subverting expectations! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,398 Posted October 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted October 23, 2019 34 minutes ago, TSMefford said: Almost all trailers follow a formula This reminded me of this great fake trailer: Ironically, the cover of You Spin me Round the used here as an example of generic trailer music is better than most trailer music, lol. _deleted_, Biodome, SingeMoisi and 3 others 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,180 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 On 10/22/2019 at 6:08 PM, Disco Stu said: Maybe trailer music is like cilantro. To some people cilantro makes almost any dish more delicious, to others it tastes like soap. Are you saying not being able to distinguish bland trailer music from John Williams masterpieces is a genetic thing? I wish we could just go back to plastering Dragonheart over each and every trailer. igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 15 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Are you saying not being able to distinguish bland trailer music from John Williams masterpieces is a genetic thing? Not at all, I'm not talking about the ones who don't know the difference. I'm talking about the ones who love and know John Williams music, but also enjoy trailer type music. There are many! Just not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 46 minutes ago, TSMefford said: Star Wars has never been an exception to this really. Star Wars is the exception to everything. I just emailed a local film writer (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) who had erroneously written "John Williams' score" in an article about the trailer and got him to amend to "reworked themes." That's only one small but potentially influential example of how the brand (for want of a better concept) isn't served by an on-trend approach in this case. This trailer might as well have used Giacchino's Luke's theme knockoff from Rogue One, as it uses the same four chords... at least it was a different theme and a clear spinoff. At the end of the day, the music just didn't do it for me... I thought TFA #2 was much better and still clearly trailer music, but with authentic material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,180 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, Disco Stu said: Not at all, I'm not talking about the ones who don't know the difference. I'm talking about the ones who love and know John Williams music, but also enjoy trailer type music. There are many! Just not me. Well, in any case, cilantro is awesome and makes almost any dish more delicious. Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 1 minute ago, Marian Schedenig said: Well, in any case, cilantro is awesome and makes almost any dish more delicious. Yes! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,233 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 It's ok but I wouldn't want it in any non Mexican cuisine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 25 minutes ago, The Five Tones said: Star Wars is the exception to everything. I just emailed a local film writer (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) who had erroneously written "John Williams' score" in an article about the trailer and got him to amend to "reworked themes." That's only one small but potentially influential example of how the brand (for want of a better concept) isn't served by an on-trend approach in this case. This trailer might as well have used Giacchino's Luke's theme knockoff from Rogue One, as it uses the same four chords... at least it was a different theme and a clear spinoff. At the end of the day, the music just didn't do it for me... I thought TFA #2 was much better and still clearly trailer music, but with authentic material. I appreciate your passion for the series. I'll just leave it at that. Star Wars as a series has never really stood out to me and nor have their trailers, but I am quite glad it has for you and a lot of other people. The music of the series, however, does stand out and is something I will always cherish. Not to the extent that I have an issue with someone doing a cool rendition of the theme for a silly movie trailer though. I used to try and figure out what trailers could mean for a film, but in the last decade all trailers have gone so downhill that there's no way to know how a movie is going to turn out until I see it. I can only think of one single trailer I saw this year that legitimately impressed me. 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: This reminded me of this great fake trailer: Ironically, the cover of You Spin me Round the used here as an example of generic trailer music is better than most trailer music, lol. Precisely. Honestly it's quite amazing just how many Blockbuster and other trailers fall into this exact pattern. Even some of the recent Star Wars trailers follow this formula to an extent. The Five Tones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 6 minutes ago, Dixon Hill said: It's ok but I wouldn't want it in any non Mexican cuisine. It works well in Mediterranean food! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,180 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 And Asian food wouldn't be the same without it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 This is just horrible. In the beginning that ostinato music could be JW if they really are forced to add his music to this but the rest of the stuff is just a JOKE🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I'm really looking forward to hearing whatever gloriously triumphant thematic statement of Rey's theme Williams ends up giving us for this shot. Arpy and Disco Stu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now