TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 24 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: I read the title as Thomas Newman (1917-2019) and had a mini heart attack He's old but not THAT old. 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: Newman also could have won in 2004 for Lemony Snicket over the very weak and boring Finding Neverland. Actually, that year pratically every single one of the nominated scores were better than the one that actually won: Lemony Snicket, JNH's The Village, JW's Prisoner of Azkaban and even Debney's Passion of the Christ. As for Williams, he may have been nominated almost every single year since Schindler's List, but I guess the only times he was close to win were in 2005 with Memories of a Geisha and Munich and in 2011 with Tintin and War Horse. On both cases, having two nominated scores may not have been good for him, since it split the votes, much like Horner in 95 with Braveheart and Apollo 13. On 2002 and 2004 he had great scores (CMIYC and PoA) but they were going against strong competitors, which ended up favoring a very dull winner. And on the other years the winner was simply "cooler" on the Academy's eyes: Titanic in 97, Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon in 2000, Fellowship of the Ring in 2001, Life of Pi in 2012, Gravity in 2013, etc. Finding Neverland is actually a very good score. When I was younger I used to love it. He was only ever in conversation to win for Memoirs. 2011 he had no chance. The Artist had that sewn up since May of that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,439 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Actually, what I think was most prejudicial for Williams on 2005 was the fact that Memoirs isn't exactly a well received movie, it has only 35% on Rotten Tomatoes, while Brokeback Mountain was one of the most acclaimed movies that year. On most cases the Oscar for Original Score goes for movies that have stellar critical reception, sometimes running for the Best Picture (Black Panther, La La Land, Gravity, Life of Pi, The Social Network) and sometimes even winning the major award (The Shape of Water, Slumdog Millionaire, Return of the King). Had Memoirs been received with better criticisms and more nominations on the major categories, I guess it could have won that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Munich should have won! The split vote is probably what caused him to lose. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 It won't win. The plebians will think this is literally the 9th score with same themes. Why would I vote for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 9 hours ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: Since the award goes to a person, I can't imagine why wasn't it "John Williams, for combined Memoirs of Geisha and Munich"? That's ridiculous. The award is for "Best Original Score", not "Best Original Composer". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Richard Penna 3,687 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 http://filmmusicreporter.com/2019/11/27/1917-soundtrack-details/ Quote 1. 1917 2. Up the Down Trench 3. Gehenna 4. A Scrap of Ribbon 5. The Night Window 6. The Boche 7. Tripwire 8. A Bit of Tin 9. Lockhouse 10. Blake and Schofield 11. Milk 12. Ecoust-Saint-Mein 13. Les Arbres 14. Englander 15. The Rapids 16. Croisilles Wood 17. Sixteen Hundred Men 18. Mentions in Dispatches 19. Come Back to Us That's a relatively short number of tracks for a Newman album, suggesting that he's gone for more of a listening experience . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted November 27, 2019 Author Share Posted November 27, 2019 18 hours ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: Since the award goes to a person, I can't imagine why wasn't it "John Williams, for combined Memoirs of Geisha and Munich"? The award goes to a movie for the work of a person or persons. During the nomination process, members nominate MOVIES for Best Original Score, NOT persons. On the final voting ballot, what is printed are NOT the names of persons but the names of MOVIES. The nomination is inextricable from a movie - it cannot be a person award. It is a an award of excellence awarded to a MOVIE FOR THIS PERSON'S WORK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 29, 2019 Share Posted November 29, 2019 Schindler's list is not a big sprawling epic at all. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 FYC site is up https://universalpicturesawards.com/1917/score thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 The piano comes in 4 seconds into the last track. "Yup this is a Thomas Newman score" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,439 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 40 minutes ago, Jay said: FYC site is up https://universalpicturesawards.com/1917/score I haven't heard the whole score, but the final track is extremely beautiful! Very emotional, in a way Newman hadn't done before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Love me some "Night Window"!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Very affecting stuff in the first track - no one does this sort of atmospheric scoring like Newman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I was seduced by the long cues but it's mostly the same old atmo Newman - with some unwelcome and very blunt trailer music allusions in the driving parts of i. e. 'Devons to Mackenzie'. 'Night Window' and 'Ending' seem to be the only pieces i want to keep. Better than nothing. An award, not so much. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Devons to Mackenzie must be temped with Zimmer's Thin Red Line. Seriously, it sounds like Zimmer wrote it! What a bizarre mix of styles for one score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 On 11/28/2019 at 10:24 PM, Kühni said: with * denoting a "non-US" composer 1985 Out of Africa (also won BP) 1987 The Last Emperor (won BP) 1990 Dances with Wolves (won BP) 2001 The Fellowship of the Ring 2003 The Return of the King (won BP) These are all non-American composers btw (though David Byrne has lived most of his life in the US) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I thought this was a RIP thread Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 You thought Thomas Newman was 102 years old? A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 6, 2019 Author Share Posted December 6, 2019 Pick One A) The early Twitter reactions were from bought and paid for lapdog shills B) It sounds better in context C) Both Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,439 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 40 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: B) It sounds better in context This score seems to be more on that style "it's no easy listening on album, but it serves the movie very well" that critics these days simpy adore. Just just look at Dunkirk for an example. So, even though it won't be pleasant to listen, I fully expect it to be on the awards talk. War movies these days have to sound like Dunkirk and not Saving Private Ryan or Pearl Harbor. 57 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: You thought Thomas Newman was 102 years old? Well, Alfred Newman was 17 on 1917, and I don't know if condoms were popular back then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 I love the Night Window track, is really quite beautiful. The rest left me a bit cold for the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 There's some good stuff in this. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Well hidden. The reviews sounded more encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 I like it. The gold maybe sparse, but even that is actually some of Newman's most inspired work in years. This film clearly asked him to be rather invested in some capacity. I even dig some of the more atmospheric work (though Dunkirk and Zimmer are clearly a template). Though I do wish it had some more of the exuberance of his Jarhead days: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 Night Window is very nice. Wish I could hear an entire score from Thomas Newman that sounds like this one cue. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 16 hours ago, crocodile said: Night Window is very nice. Wish I could hear an entire score from Thomas Newman that sounds like this one cue. Karol Yup. But alas as a whole the FYC selection didn't impress me much. Night Window and Ending might find their way into my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 1917-2019? I didn't know he was so old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 On 11/26/2019 at 9:47 PM, Not Mr. Big said: I read the title as Thomas Newman (1917-2019) and had a mini heart attack On 12/5/2019 at 6:50 PM, King Mark said: I thought this was a RIP thread 34 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said: 1917-2019? I didn't know he was so old. Double Cremeritis! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Jay said: Double Cremeritis! Triple? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 No, double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted December 7, 2019 Share Posted December 7, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 8, 2019 Share Posted December 8, 2019 Devons to Mackenzie is the most un-Newmany music I’ve heard from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 So I saw the movie. If Newman wins an Oscar, it will because of Night Window. That is one the standout sequences of the year. There is no dialog. Little to no SFX. The music is the only thing on the soundtrack and mixed very loudly and most of all - it has the cinematography achievement of the year. It is a shadow play of light and darkness by Roger Deakins - memorable images for 3 minutes straight and Newman gets to score it all. If he wins - I will daresay that literally anyone could have scored that scene and won an Oscar. For what's it worth the score is nice and works better in context but besides Night Window and a couple of stand out cues nothing to write home about. I might not even nominate it if it were up to me. Nice work for a nice film that does its thing. The Illustrious Jerry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Marcy and I had planned on seeing this this weekend, only to find out it doesn't play anywhere around us until January 10th. D'oh! Is the FYC version of Night Window any different from the OST version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 Not that I can detect. The OST is not in order obviously. I would say most of the music on either presentation is intact just the FYC is chronological. Big tracks from memory - These are the soaring thematic highlights - Major components of the main theme are developed in these cues Gehenna (OST 2) = Fly by/German Trench (FYC 3) 1917 (OST 1) = Tobacco Tin (FYC 8) Night Window (OST 5) = Night Window (FYC 10) Sixteen Hundred Men (OST 16) = From Devons to Mackinse (FYC 16) Come back to us (OST 18) = Ending (FYC 17) These are the action and suspense highlights Up the Down Trench (OST 2) = Trench to the Yorks (FYC 2) Engalnder (OST 14) = Clock Chime to River Jump (FYC 13) Jay and Edmilson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I really loved this movie and score. It was beautiful and effective. Fantastic performances and directing. I highly recommend it and suggest seeing it in a large theater. I'm a sucker for introspective war films. I don't know if Sam Mendes will win the oscar but absolutely will be nominated as Thomas Newman will too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAK 2 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I bought the FYC off eBay a few days ago. If it’s lossless (fingers crossed) is there anyone willing and/or capable of combining it with the OST to make an expanded edit? I still have not seen the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Isn't the OST already complete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAK 2 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I have no idea. Aren’t his scores always messy and non chronological? I’ve seen many expanded Newman edits in the past based on OST+FYC combo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karelm 2,913 Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 On 1/4/2020 at 7:25 AM, Jay said: Isn't the OST already complete? All the FYC is on the OST. There is some music that is in neither. The song for example and the trailer version of the song which is an orchestral song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 36 minutes ago, karelm said: All the FYC is on the OST. There is some music that is in neither. The song for example and the trailer version of the song which is an orchestral song. The song is a miss. It should have been on the OST. A lot of people are going to buy the soundtrack hoping for that song and they won't find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry 13 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Does anyone have a chronological order of the FYC and the OST put together? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 On 1/4/2020 at 10:25 AM, Jay said: Isn't the OST already complete? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 I forgot this had actually been released... I'd been listening to the opening cue from the FYC site. Newman's albums aren't usually complete but they're not far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,439 Posted January 10, 2020 Share Posted January 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Jerry said: Does anyone have a chronological order of the FYC and the OST put together? I haven't made a more complete comparison of both FYC and OST, but just looking at the duration of some of the tracks, and considering the FYC is chronological, one can put almost all of the OST on chronological order: FYC 01. Meadow / First Trench (4:21) = OST 10. Blake and Schofield (4:21) FYC 02. Trench to Yorks (6:19) = 02. Up the Down Trench (6:19) FYC 03. Fly By / German Trench (3:35) = OST 03. Gehenna (3:35) FYC 04. Trip Wire (3:22) = OST 06. The Boche (3:22) FYC 05. Buried / Run from Bunker (1:41) = OST 07. Tripwire (1:41) FYC 06. Quarry to Orchard (6:30) = OST 04. A Scrap of Ribbon (6:30) FYC 07. First Truck (2:03) = OST 08. A Bit of Tin (2:03) FYC 08. Tobacco Tin (1:17) = OST 01. 1917 (1:17) FYC 09. Bridge to Lockhouse (4:04) = OST 09. Lockhouse (4:04) FYC 10. Night Window (3:41) = OST 05. The Night Window (3:41) FYC 11. Cathedral Chase (2:37) = OST 12. Écoust-Saint-Mein (2:37) FYC 12. The Girl (3:37) = OST 13. Les Arbres (3:37) FYC 13. Clock Chime to River Jump (4:29) = OST 14. Engländer (4:29) FYC 14. The Rapids (1:30) = OST 15. The Rapids (1:30) FYC 15. River Petals (2:07) = OST 16. Croisilles Wood (2:07) FYC 16. Devons to MacKenzie (6:32) = OST 17. Sixteen Hundred Men (6:32) FYC 17. Ending (5:40) = OST 19. Come Back to Us (5:40) So that's it, all of the FYC is on the OST, on the order I just posted. The only OST tracks not on FYC are Milk and Mentions in Dispatches. Anyone wanting to make a chronological edit of the score should figure out when these tracks appear (and if they appear at all, considering Milk is over 10 minutes long). But without watching the movie, I'm inclined to believe that at least Mentions in Dispatches comes at the very end, considering the OST is chronological from Écoust-Saint-Mein onwards. Then, it should be easy to see if there's any unreleased cue on the movie that is not on the OST. Easier to figure it out than The Rise of Skywalker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 10, 2020 Author Share Posted January 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Edmilson said: I haven't made a more complete comparison of both FYC and OST, but just looking at the duration of some of the tracks, and considering the FYC is chronological, one can put almost all of the OST on chronological order: FYC 01. Meadow / First Trench (4:21) = OST 10. Blake and Schofield (4:21) FYC 02. Trench to Yorks (6:19) = 02. Up the Down Trench (6:19) FYC 03. Fly By / German Trench (3:35) = OST 03. Gehenna (3:35) FYC 04. Trip Wire (3:22) = OST 06. The Boche (3:22) FYC 05. Buried / Run from Bunker (1:41) = OST 07. Tripwire (1:41) FYC 06. Quarry to Orchard (6:30) = OST 04. A Scrap of Ribbon (6:30) FYC 07. First Truck (2:03) = OST 08. A Bit of Tin (2:03) FYC 08. Tobacco Tin (1:17) = OST 01. 1917 (1:17) FYC 09. Bridge to Lockhouse (4:04) = OST 09. Lockhouse (4:04) FYC 10. Night Window (3:41) = OST 05. The Night Window (3:41) FYC 11. Cathedral Chase (2:37) = OST 12. Écoust-Saint-Mein (2:37) FYC 12. The Girl (3:37) = OST 13. Les Arbres (3:37) FYC 13. Clock Chime to River Jump (4:29) = OST 14. Engländer (4:29) FYC 14. The Rapids (1:30) = OST 15. The Rapids (1:30) FYC 15. River Petals (2:07) = OST 16. Croisilles Wood (2:07) FYC 16. Devons to MacKenzie (6:32) = OST 17. Sixteen Hundred Men (6:32) FYC 17. Ending (5:40) = OST 19. Come Back to Us (5:40) So that's it, all of the FYC is on the OST, on the order I just posted. The only OST tracks not on FYC are Milk and Mentions in Dispatches. Anyone wanting to make a chronological edit of the score should figure out when these tracks appear (and if they appear at all, considering Milk is over 10 minutes long). But without watching the movie, I'm inclined to believe that at least Mentions in Dispatches comes at the very end, considering the OST is chronological from Écoust-Saint-Mein onwards. Then, it should be easy to see if there's any unreleased cue on the movie that is not on the OST. Easier to figure it out than The Rise of Skywalker! Mention in Dispatches chronologically should be the second track. Or if not, it is an alternate of the some kind of the first track. Milk would come between Quarry to Orchard and First Truck. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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