Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted November 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2019 I love the music for when the Supremacy and the rest of the First Order fleet appears when the Resistance thinks they've escaped. Fantastic version of Kylo's theme, and I love the small rhythmic motif right after that. Last Jedi is brimming over with interesting little rhythmic motifs that never develop into anything. As I've listened to the score many times over the past couple years, it's those small things that really add to the overall texture I've developed an appreciation for. Joni Wiljami, Chen G., Tydirium and 6 others 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bounty95 558 Posted November 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Edmilson said: My favorite performance of Holdo's theme is not on Holdo's Resolve, but on this track, when the character is introduced. The noble horns reminded me a little of Shore's LOTR scores, specially the Gondor material: Am I deaf? When exactly do you hear Holdo's theme in this track? I feel stupid right now, but the only theme I can hear is the resistance march 😅 Hristo, Taikomochi, igger6 and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toothless 963 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 On 11/25/2019 at 3:39 PM, crumbs said: those thrilling strings once the troopers take flight. Reminds me of Nicholas Hooper cue for when Belatrix fries a whole corn field probably to make popcorn in HBP. Although it’s way higher notes in hooper cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADigitalMan 0 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 When will we get the complete soundtracks from the prequel and sequel trilogy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 Wrong thread? Ricard and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Taikomochi 1,136 Posted November 26, 2019 Share Posted November 26, 2019 5 hours ago, Bounty95 said: Am I deaf? When exactly do you hear Holdo's theme in this track? I feel stupid right now, but the only theme I can hear is the resistance march 😅 I don’t hear it either. Time stamp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, ADigitalMan said: When will we get the complete soundtracks from the prequel and sequel trilogy? Never Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 3 hours ago, ADigitalMan said: When will we get the complete soundtracks from the prequel and sequel trilogy? Tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I’ve listened to the music in this clip a few dozen times already and I think it’s great action music. However, I feel like either Williams is holding back a bit or maybe the music is mixed too low for my tastes. Granted this only 30 seconds but I miss the days when Williams would ”over score” simple scenes such as To The Plaza, Presto. It’s a silly chase scene through the streets of NYC but Williams music makes it rather exciting. Even when Kevin stops to buy necklaces during the chase, Williams keeps the music at a 10 and doesn’t hold back. In the TROS clip, the music gets lost at points and I struggle to hear any details but maybe it just can’t compete with loud SFX. Regardless, I’m hoping to hear this piece in full on the OST. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 That's far more inspired Mickey Mouse scoring similar to Hook and Indiana Jones 2, loaded to the brim with musical hit points for onscreen occurrences, extremely varied and exciting. Even if it gets to be a bit much, it's at least entertaining. The new Star Wars scores really aren't like that at all. It just sounds like a lot of comparatively boring meandering stuff with the same old whirling strings, woodwinds and random brass. I'm sure the JWFans and music theorists will tear me a new asshole, but I'd rather listen to his older shit than this same old tired random autopilot shit he's been doing since the 2000s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 He's not really obligated to do great scores for these things. I'm not saying 'he's an old dude, it's cool he's still doing this!' implies the work is exempt from criticism, but I figure those are the proper expectations when one wants to take an interest in these scores. I'm not interested, but I often enjoy reading the enthusiasm here, or reading folks discussing and analyzing the thematic material, etc. Chen G. and Tiburon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,391 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 hours ago, King Mark said: Never Wrong answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Not related to the music, but that dialogue basically killed the excitement I had for the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: That's far more inspired Mickey Mouse scoring similar to Hook and Indiana Jones 2, loaded to the brim with musical hit points for onscreen occurrences, extremely varied and exciting. Even if it gets to be a bit much, it's at least entertaining. The new Star Wars scores really aren't like that at all. It just sounds like a lot of comparatively boring meandering stuff with the same old whirling strings, woodwinds and random brass. I'm sure the JWFans and music theorists will tear me a new asshole, but I'd rather listen to his older shit than this same old tired random autopilot shit he's been doing since the 2000s. So go and listen to that shit you want and stop criticizing the shit we love so much. Remco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 I think you and I are destined to do this forever. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Yes🥳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 44 minutes ago, pete said: Not related to the music, but that dialogue basically killed the excitement I had for the movie. They kill excitement now? crlbrg, aviazn, Cerebral Cortex and 2 others 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,315 Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 52 minutes ago, pete said: Not related to the music, but that dialogue basically killed the excitement I had for the movie. Yeah, I miss the good old days of, "I hate sand." armorb, Remco, Tiburon and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: That's far more inspired Mickey Mouse scoring similar to Hook and Indiana Jones 2, loaded to the brim with musical hit points for onscreen occurrences, extremely varied and exciting. TOD, Hook and HA2 are 10/10 scores, you can't fairly compare them to his current output Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 hours ago, Balahkay said: I’ve listened to the music in this clip a few dozen times already and I think it’s great action music. However, I feel like either Williams is holding back a bit or maybe the music is mixed too low for my tastes. Granted this only 30 seconds but I miss the days when Williams would ”over score” simple scenes such as To The Plaza, Presto. It’s a silly chase scene through the streets of NYC but Williams music makes it rather exciting. Even when Kevin stops to buy necklaces during the chase, Williams keeps the music at a 10 and doesn’t hold back. In the TROS clip, the music gets lost at points and I struggle to hear any details but maybe it just can’t compete with loud SFX. Regardless, I’m hoping to hear this piece in full on the OST. There’s a lot less sfx in this clip than in these Star Wars action scenes. Why compare them? Williams still ‘overscores’ and many action sequences have their own little thematic (or more motivic) elements (Falcon, Battle of Crait, Fathiers etc.). I think many are just sustained by the emotional attachment and nostalgia they have for these old scores and are unable to find a connection to these newer scores. Anyway, as someone said, it’s ridiculous to form any sort of real judgement on the music based on this 30 seconds clip. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 You just have to contend with the fact the sound design is considered more important than the music in action scenes because all I ever hear people care about was how great a film sounds, how big and loud the explosions are and how the place rumbled. Your everyday audience member isn't going to remember a single note of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 . Remco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R. 10 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 On 11/25/2019 at 7:40 PM, Cerebral Cortex said: Really surprised to see so many people saying it's Williams. Sounds close but I'm gonna have to go with "not Williams" on this one. Really good impersonation though! Probably library music. Brass are clearly samples. I work with samples on a daily basis, 32 hours a day, 9 days a week, so I know what I'm talking about when I say this isn't a real orchestra. If this ends up being Williams, I'll eat my hat. Might be leftover music from the Verizon commercial. I know Williams and this ain't him. /s And I say you are wrong on both accounts. It's real and it's Williams. I hope you have some good sauce for that hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: That's far more inspired Mickey Mouse scoring similar to Hook and Indiana Jones 2, loaded to the brim with musical hit points for onscreen occurrences, extremely varied and exciting. Even if it gets to be a bit much, it's at least entertaining. The new Star Wars scores really aren't like that at all. It just sounds like a lot of comparatively boring meandering stuff with the same old whirling strings, woodwinds and random brass. I'm sure the JWFans and music theorists will tear me a new asshole, but I'd rather listen to his older shit than this same old tired random autopilot shit he's been doing since the 2000s. Substitute "the 2000s" with "2008" and we're more or less on the same page here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Yes, but are you reading the same book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 . Ricard and Remco 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tmarps 217 Posted November 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 27, 2019 oh please.. come on you lot. Firstly, Home Alone 2 and TROS are from completely different franchises. It's like being annoyed that Memoirs of a Geisha isn't scored with the the mickey-mousing of The Asteroid Field. Secondly, composers change - Williams is an old school composer. You can mark a clear difference within the music that Stravinsky, Debussy, Strauss were writing at the beginning of their lives vs the end. There is a change in the music they are writing, whether it is more popular or not. Williams is the same. We've had the bump and crash music of Temple of Doom in the period that he was writing it. We've got that music, in a period of time, that we can appreciate - now we've got a different style as any composer would develop - this is Williams writing now. We can appreciate this music in this period of time too. Heck, if Williams is writing til he's 100, we will have a different style when he is a century old too... sorry for the rant Remco, Joni Wiljami, Ricard and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 1 hour ago, Simon R. said: And I say you are wrong on both accounts. It's real and it's Williams. I hope you have some good sauce for that hat. /s /s /s /s Simon R. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 4 hours ago, Simon R. said: And I say you are wrong on both accounts. It's real and it's Williams. I hope you have some good sauce for that hat. Simon R. and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon R. 10 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 5 hours ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: Oh shoot, indeed. I didn't read careful enough Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 6 hours ago, Arpy said: You just have to contend with the fact the sound design is considered more important than the music in action scenes because all I ever hear people care about was how great a film sounds, how big and loud the explosions are and how the place rumbled. Your everyday audience member isn't going to remember a single note of the score. So why do they bother hiring composers at all? Aren’t they just wasting time and money paying for him and an orchestra if they’re just going to bury the music underneath sound effects and dialogue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Old habits die hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 If it doesn't gel, it isn't aspic and this ain't gelling. It's not coming together. Something's missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Only 3 pages of analysis of a 30 second clip of score? What has happened to the JWFan I know and love? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 Probably just because there's no thematic material in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,511 Posted November 27, 2019 Share Posted November 27, 2019 My favourite thing about the new music is the chord at 0:19 - Williams perfectly captured that "oh shit" feeling. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 21 hours ago, Simon R. said: I hope you have some good sauce for that hat. Yeah, @First TROS March Accolyte, you better dish up with some good sauce! On 11/26/2019 at 4:00 PM, Thor said: none of them made any impact on me Not even The Spark? Granted, it's more like a set piece than a recurring theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted November 28, 2019 Share Posted November 28, 2019 On 11/27/2019 at 6:11 PM, Kasey Kockroach said: So why do they bother hiring composers at all? Aren’t they just wasting time and money paying for him and an orchestra if they’re just going to bury the music underneath sound effects and dialogue? That's why people like Lorne Balfe rise to the top. Cheap, fast, don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loert 2,511 Posted November 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 28, 2019 Has anybody mentioned the quote of Vader's theme at the end? (0:24-ish). rots_excerpt_1.mp3 Also, this excerpt is in Eb minor, the original Vader theme is in G minor. If you bisect the two notes you end up with F, which is the first letter of the word "fly" but also "French Horn", which is what Luke's theme was originally played on. I'm not sure what that means. MikeH, Muad'Dib, crumbs and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted November 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted November 29, 2019 It means you need to go outside? Loert, Fabulin and DarthDementous 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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