King Mark 3,625 Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 Great I ordered from SAE and they'll probably be out of stock for months like Superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 2 hours ago, King Mark said: Great I ordered from SAE and they'll probably be out of stock for months like Superman I feel you. I don't have it yet, either! It's a freaking disaster! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 It was either pre-order at SAE with Far and Away or check the LLL website every day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Intrada still has this in stock. I got my copy from them. Move fast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 It's not OOP yet, though. It's just temporarily out of stock, so it'll soon be available again... Hopefully. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 In two years, after the coronavirus has passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 8 hours ago, King Mark said: Great I ordered from SAE and they'll probably be out of stock for months like Superman Didn't MV say something the other day about them being slow because of processing all the wholesale orders? Maybe that means SAE are getting some stock in. Fingers crossed. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,499 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 14 hours ago, Thor said: Indeed. That's a peculiar description of that one (I can sorta see it with the other two). Agreed. In fact, THE TOWERING INFERNO was, probably, his "largest" score, up until that point. Williams and Robson - wisely - chose not to underscore the 'quake sequences, so what's left is pure drama. If I could sum up THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE's score, in one word, it would be "determined". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,471 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 4 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Williams and Robson - wisely - chose not to underscore the 'quake sequences, so what's left is pure drama. Lackluster and silly drama, but yes. Quote If I could sum up THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE's score, in one word, it would be "determined". Low-register drones would be mine (although that's three words, technically). But very fitting for the film; by far the best of the three. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,499 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Because two words are hyphenated, that's only two You've no love for THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,471 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, Naïve Old Fart said: Because two words are hyphenated, that's only two You've no love for THE POSEIDON ADVENTURE? The score? No, not really. Except maybe a track or two. The film? Oh, yes. Great film. The first modern distaster film, really (note: not the first disaster film, but the first modern disaster film). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mstrox 6,647 Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 Listened to Earthquake for the first time ever today, and I’m not sure I was prepared for how ‘70s it was Nemesis, 1977 and The Illustrious Jerry 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Earthquake is the absolute gem of the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Quote Quote When might the Williams' Disaster Box come back? Honestly probably later this year. We will not be repressing any box sets or any 3rd party titles until we figure out if we still have a company in the coming months...or customer base to sell to. What we have in stock is pretty much it for the foreseeable future. MV https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=118900&forumID=1&archive=0&pageID=32&r=500#bottom Amer and Pieter Boelen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Does this mean I'm screwed if I ordered at SAE and they don't have it in stock now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 It means you might be waiting a very long time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I don't really see how the coronavirus is greatly impacting production of c.d.'s for a collector's market that you can only buy online. Everyone's home and bored and have more time to buy them and listen to them unless your broke because of this. He's talking like were all gonna be dead in a few months. I waited a long time for Superman because they pressed only a few copies at a time. It's a limited edition but it should be be in stock for an acceptable period of time . Limited 3000 is like Limited 1000 and hope we press more eventually. And I committed to SAE when LLL got a copies a week later on their site bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Yeah, I don't want to criticise their business model or anything, but what I never understood is why 1. they don't print more than 5000 copies of things we clearly all want (JW, Titanic etc) 2. they don't make sure those items are in stock in times like these 3. they didn't consider moving their big end-of-year-titles to March or April to maximise sales. I'm aware this would have involved pressing them, but the coronavirus has been going around since December, plenty of time for everyone to predict the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Most of those are just out of their hands. Pressing plants are more sparse and unpredictable now, and stuff need studio approval to come out, too. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 I was scanning the XM channels in my truck this morning and came across this gem... LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,287 Posted April 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 2, 2020 6 hours ago, King Mark said: I don't really see how the coronavirus is greatly impacting production of c.d.'s for a collector's market that you can only buy online. 18 hours ago, Jay said: Most businesses are set up so they can survive a month or two of slow or no sales pretty easily. The problem right now is just not knowing how long until all aspects of their business return to normal, from the studios who have to send the material and approve things later, to the contractors doing the restoration and master working, to the liner notes writers, to the pressing plants. It's all up in the air. Everything they do relies on lots things they don't have much control over The moment everything returns to normal, it's not like approving stuff for a tiny specialty label is going to be high on the priority list of these massive studios that are months behind in all of other areas that make them more money. And for the pressing plants, they'll make more money pressing more Taylor Swift or Bob Dylan albums than 500 copies of something for a specialty label, so it could while before specialty label film score releases that ARE approved even get pressed. 6 hours ago, King Mark said: I waited a long time for Superman because they pressed only a few copies at a time. It's a limited edition but it should be be in stock for an acceptable period of time . Limited 3000 is like Limited 1000 and hope we press more eventually. This is how every limited edition release from every specialty label has always worked. The difference is in the late 90s and early 2000s, CDs were still the primary way people purchased music, and there were CD pressing plants all over the country constantly pressing CDs, and the specialty labels could get more of their boutique releases printed pretty quickly. Now in 2020 there are, I believe (apologies if this number isn't exactly right) 5 pressing plants left in the entire continent, so EVERY release takes much longer to come in once the order is placed - and the remaining ones charge more than they used to in the past because their business is dying. 5 hours ago, bollemanneke said: Yeah, I don't want to criticise their business model or anything, but what I never understood is why 1. they don't print more than 5000 copies of things we clearly all want (JW, Titanic etc) Sometimes they don't get to pick the number, it's determined by the film studio. Often they have to make their best guess on how they think something will sell, but they are not mind readers, and can be off. A lot of the titles that sold out can be reissued. LLL already did that with 1941 and various other titles by other composers. 5 hours ago, bollemanneke said: 2. they don't make sure those items are in stock in times like these They can only stock what the pressing plants will give them. They might order 1,00 copies of a title but the plant only gives them 500 and says they have to wait for more because they took on a bigger job by a major label, like a Lady Gaga album or something. The specialty labels are at their mercy because, as I said above, there are so few left they don't have much choice. In addition to that, sometimes the film studio is part of a large company that ALSO owns a pressing plant, and forces the specialty label to have the release press at that particular plant, they don't even have the option to shop around. 5 hours ago, bollemanneke said: 3. they didn't consider moving their big end-of-year-titles to March or April to maximise sales. Schedules are almost useless in this day and age in the business. They can plan out when they want releases to come out but it rarely works that way. The unknown amount of time each different approval and then the pressing plants take constantly mucks everything up. They are doing the best they can. Holko, Bayesian and bollemanneke 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 3 hours ago, Jay said: This is how every limited edition release from every specialty label has always worked. The difference is in the late 90s and early 2000s, CDs were still the primary way people purchased music, and there were CD pressing plants all over the country constantly pressing CDs, and the specialty labels could get more of their boutique releases printed pretty quickly. Now in 2020 there are, I believe (apologies if this number isn't exactly right) 5 pressing plants left in the entire continent, so EVERY release takes much longer to come in once the order is placed - and the remaining ones charge more than they used to in the past because their business is dying. Yeah but now we not only have to worry to make the order in time for the entire limited run, but to be in the "first batch" of pressed c.d.'s or we might never get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 There's a very easy way to avoid all that worry: Order it the day it becomes available to purchase. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Indeed, if you live in the USA. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 49 minutes ago, Jay said: There's a very easy way to avoid all that worry: Order it the day it becomes available to purchase. Simple. don't make excuses for them .I paid for a copy that's supposed to be in print and now I might or might not get it .This is terrible And if LLL gets more I still can't cancel SAE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 2, 2020 Share Posted April 2, 2020 Yes Mark, the current global pandemic is causing changes to previous normalcy. That doesn't change the fact that you chose to order from SAE instead of directly from LLL, nor that SAE chose to take your order despite not having any stock on hand. LLL had nothing to do with that at all. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ZackR 95 Posted April 4, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 4, 2020 This isn't directed at anyone. I'm just passionate about this subject lately... On top of what Jay said, it's likely not often feasible for LLL to print an entire run. Sure, some are likely going to sell out quickly like Jurassic Park, which hasn't had a proper release since the OST unless you count the digital expansion back in 2013 or whenever. Even a score like Superman, which is undoubtedly at the top of many fans' lists, is questionable to sell out its entire run quickly. My wife has a small business and inventory management is easily the MOST complex part of what she does. Easily. She doesn't have to deal with half the mess that the specialty labels do. They have to deal with the studios, union rules, finicky pressing plants, composers (even when not legally obligated to), etc. Even if they *could* get an entire run of 3-5,000 printed on Day 1, it would be financially insane in most circumstances. You could be a small label, spend THOUSANDS up front to produce a release and then sit on it for months or years due to factors completely out of your control. On top of that, they have to send out replacement discs because the wrong cue was included on a 4-disc set full of Star Trek music that I never would have imagined I would have ever been able to own. It's possible that a single disc replacement like that could end up eating up a release's profits. I honestly wish they could have just made the single track available for download or if not legally permitted, just said, "Hey guys, sorry about that. Honest mistake. We will throw it on the next "odds and ends" Trek disc if you're desperate for that one cue from a random Voyager episodes from 20 years ago..." or even, "Sorry all! Little error there but hope you enjoy the cue that's there in its place." But if they had done that, the message boards would have been on fire with people complaining that they paid for that cue or it was the one cue they wanted and wouldn't have bought it otherwise Oh my God! The dinosaur on JP doesn't have teeth... you get the idea. The profit margins on these sorts of releases (usually) are so razor thin, the smallest issue or delay can be the difference between profit and loss. As a lifelong lover of film/television music, I couldn't be more grateful for the labels. These folks put their hearts and souls into a passion and we are the beneficiaries of it, all the while being the most finicky, particular, unsatisfied group of customers any business could want. And that's fine. We are passionate too. Nobody is perfect, but I have to think it can be disheartening to put countless hours and thousands of dollars into a release and then hear complaints that someone can't hear the last 0.35 seconds of cello fade out like they could on a 30 year-old OST album or how the squeaky orchestra chair sound was removed and someone loved that or whatever. Sorry for the long rambling post. It isn't directed at anyone. Things are tough for a lot of people right now and these labels have brought me more wonderful music than I could ever imagine. I am fortunate that I'm still working right now and I've made it a point to try to spend a little extra lately on releases I had put off getting. If it takes a little longer for them to arrive or they arrive with a cracked case, I couldn't care less. If you would have told me 10 years ago that I would own deluxe editions of every Trek film, every bit of TOS music, TAS music, plus numerous hours of TNG and all the others, I never would have believed you. Don't even get me started on all MM's work on Williams' music. Are you kidding me? It's like having one of us having the keys to the kingdom. I truly don't think we film score fans realize how fortunate we are. I'll step off my soapbox now. Jay, fommes, Molly Weasley and 10 others 11 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I understand they might not want to press copies for new orders at the moment, but they could at least do their best to print copies for those that already bought it before the pandemic thing from another retailer. These are supposed to be "committed" copies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 It would be super expensive to manufacture just a few copies of each title. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I thought they weren't printing many copies at a time anyways bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I'd guess there's a significant difference in the unit price between ordering 50 and 500 copies from the plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 All the printing presses in the US are closed. They are non-essential businesses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 It's probably cheaper to order from Mexico. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,287 Posted April 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 10, 2020 And again, Mark, it was SAE that chose to take your order despite not having any stock on hand, LLL had nothing to do with them deciding they would do that. LLL of course WANTS to order more copies from the printing plants, both to sell on their own website as well as send to SAE and other third party stores who they do business with, but they literally can't right now. And again, these situations can always be avoided by simply ordering directly from these small labels making these releases happen as soon as they go on sale. Yes, you end up paying more money in shipping, but more money goes to them that way which allows them to make more releases happen. This is an expensive hobby we are in and you have to decide if it is worth spending more money on CDs in 2020 than you did in the 90s, vs trying to save every last nickel and risking these small labels shutting down because they can't afford to stay in business. bollemanneke, Timo Martikainen, crumbs and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 On 4/2/2020 at 7:04 PM, Jay said: There's a very easy way to avoid all that worry: Order it the day it becomes available to purchase. Simple. Not everyone has cash lying around for that Jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 1 hour ago, JTWfan77 said: Not everyone has cash lying around for that Jay. Well, if you set aside $10-$20 (or whatever) per month, then when a release is announced you will have the necessary funds to buy it on day 1. It's called a budget. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King Mark 3,625 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 7 hours ago, Jay said: And again, Mark, it was SAE that chose to take your order despite not having any stock on hand, LLL had nothing to do with them deciding they would do that. LLL of course WANTS to order more copies from the printing plants, both to sell on their own website as well as send to SAE and other third party stores who they do business with, but they literally can't right now. I was under the impression that all these specialty soundtrack sites worked hand in hand, that if you buy it from SAE , then LLL would supply SAE orders before putting a bunch of copies for sales on their own site Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 53 minutes ago, King Mark said: I was under the impression that all these specialty soundtrack sites worked hand in hand, that if you buy it from SAE , then LLL would supply SAE orders before putting a bunch of copies for sales on their own site The other sites usually have the those new titles on order immediately after the labels announce the. But then they have to wait for at least 1-2 weeks before they arrive in stock. I find that LLL has to start catering to its client base first and lately because of the low volumes from the plant. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 11 hours ago, ATXHusker said: Well, if you set aside $10-$20 (or whatever) per month, then when a release is announced you will have the necessary funds to buy it on day 1. It's called a budget. Except that these releases end up costing some of us $40-50 because of a weak exchange rate, high shipping costs and customs duties/VAT. Food prices have doubled in the past 5-6 years in my country, VAT has increased, petrol hikes happen virtually every month and our imports become more and more expensive each year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Just don’t buy stuff you can’t afford. I want a Ferrari. Do you see me driving around in one? No. I make do with my Porsche like the rest of us. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 6 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Except that these releases end up costing some of us $40-50 because of a weak exchange rate, high shipping costs and customs duties/VAT. Food prices have doubled in the past 5-6 years in my country, VAT has increased, petrol hikes happen virtually every month and our imports become more and more expensive each year. Exactly, which is why we have to conceptually change how much we set aside for this hobby of ours. Things just aren't the same as they were 30 years ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Well, fewer and fewer interesting new scores get made, so it balances out. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 7 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Except that these releases end up costing some of us $40-50 because of a weak exchange rate, high shipping costs and customs duties/VAT. Food prices have doubled in the past 5-6 years in my country, VAT has increased, petrol hikes happen virtually every month and our imports become more and more expensive each year. Disaster box + Far and a way =172$ Canadian , that's double the retail price of the releases in US dollars 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Yes, different currencies have different values and different countries have different salaries based on that. Welcome to the planet. 1977 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 7 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Except that these releases end up costing some of us $40-50 because of a weak exchange rate, high shipping costs and customs duties/VAT. Food prices have doubled in the past 5-6 years in my country, VAT has increased, petrol hikes happen virtually every month and our imports become more and more expensive each year. Which is why I said "or whatever" for how much you choose to set aside. I don't have a money tree in my backyard either, and inflation and import costs are a factor in any corner of the globe, USA included. While I don't presume to know your or anyone else's financial situation (esp in these times), I do believe that a vast majority of people in this world do not keep a simple to follow budget for expenses on a monthly basis. "Budget" has a bad connotation for a lot of folks, but you can actually budget in "blow money" to do fun stuff (hobbies included) as long as you are able to take care of the necessities (home, food, electricity, etc...). If you have the desire to purchase 6-12 soundtrack releases during the calendar year, then set aside an amount you're comfortable with for this purpose. Have some money left over at the end of the year due to a lack of desirable releases? Great! Then roll that money over for the following year. Now, speaking for myself, my soundtrack purchases are limited to ones that I actually care about, so it's mostly JW releases but also some other composers for movies from my childhood and adult years that spark the nostalgia factor. This definitely helps control how much I spend on soundtracks and allows me to (for the most part) buy an item on day 1 of its release. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 It's just entertainment anyway, it's not life and death stuff. Who actually cares. rough cut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 47 minutes ago, ATXHusker said: money tree I love those! 33 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: It's just entertainment anyway, it's not life and death stuff. Who actually cares. Yeah. Who listens to background music from films anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 If I get it in a few months fine but the way it's worded it's like they might never press more copies . I'd like them to reassure me I'll get it eventually for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Maybe you won’t. 3 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: It's just entertainment anyway, it's not life and death stuff. Who actually cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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