p0llux 392 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 The only way TROS wins vs Little Women, Joker, and 1917 is if it's a well received film and is a truly satisfying end to the saga that unites the fanbase. We all know his score is Oscar worthy and elevates the film, but this time, can the film elevate the music to an Oscar win? In JJ we trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/oscars-2020-shortlists-doc-international-makeup-hairstyling-more-1262916?fbclid=IwAR0YqmkQPg63HUCyk_P_X5qKdDG5apKMQsZcbjthpAB_b-DFq2ZYTbo5pSs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 “Avengers: Endgame” “Bombshell” “The Farewell” “Ford v Ferrari” “Frozen II” “Jojo Rabbit” “Joker” “The King” “Little Women” “Marriage Story” “Motherless Brooklyn” “1917” “Pain and Glory” “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker” “Us” John Powell can't catch a break Remco and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,275 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Huh. Pain and Glory is the only one I never heard of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,506 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Jay said: Huh. Pain and Glory is the only one I never heard of The movie is a masterpiece. Score is decent too. 3 hours ago, mrbellamy said: “Avengers: Endgame” “Bombshell” “The Farewell” “Ford v Ferrari” “Frozen II” “Jojo Rabbit” “Joker” “The King” “Little Women” “Marriage Story” “Motherless Brooklyn” “1917” “Pain and Glory” “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker” “Us” John Powell can't catch a break Predictions “Joker” “Little Women” “Marriage Story” “1917” “Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker” Alternates “Jojo Rabbit” “Pain and Glory” “Us” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,166 Posted December 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2019 Why no HTTYD3??? Edmilson, Remco, Arpy and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,461 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Jay said: Huh. Pain and Glory is the only one I never heard of That's the latest Almodovar. My colleagues have raved about it, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. Sampled the Iglesias score on Spotify, and it didn't do much for me (like most Iglesias). I find it to be a rather boring and predictable list, but of those, my personal favourite is MOTHERLESS BROOKLYN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 6 hours ago, Tydirium said: Why no HTTYD3??? "We at the oscars are too cool to listen to kiddy soundtracks now" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,294 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Let's face it, sequel scores are very rarely (if ever) in the conversation for this category unless they're Williams scores (and even then, it's only for a token nomination). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Tydirium said: Why no HTTYD3??? It's a disgrace that it was overlooked. It's a gem of a film score. Remco and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,020 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 12 hours ago, mrbellamy said: John Powell can't catch a break He just needs to write a good score again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, crumbs said: Let's face it, sequel scores are very rarely (if ever) in the conversation for this category unless they're Williams scores (and even then, it's only for a token nomination). I mean there are two other sequel scores on the shortlist, including an animated sequel. Not that they’re major contenders either but it’s not like they’re completely overlooked just for being sequels. Mary Poppins Returns was nominated last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Fuck Frozen 2, nothing against Beck, but god damn if that's considered, why not HTTYD 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 48 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: I mean there are two other sequel scores on the shortlist, including an animated sequel. Not that they’re major contenders either but it’s not like they’re completely overlooked just for being sequels. Mary Poppins Returns was nominated last year. Poppins was entirely original. Save for cameos, it worked with entirely new thematic material. I wouldn't really call it a sequel score even though it is for an official sequel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,380 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 It's infuriating that Frozen 2 gets to be nominated, but not The Hidden World. But it's not surprising. Perhaps Universal simply didn't want to spend that much money campaigning for a film and they'll settle for a nomination for Best Animation (we all know Disney is going to win again, either with Frozen 2 or Toy Story 4). Also, they have other much more promising movies that might bring them much more awards, such as Us, 1917, etc. So, based on this list, I guess the nominees will be: Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker Joker 1917 Little Women Marriage Story With Joker and 1917 being the favorites. Also: everybody's talking about Powell, but where is Shore? He was also disqualified? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,461 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 26 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Also: everybody's talking about Powell, but where is Shore? He was also disqualified? If you're thinking of THE SONG OF NAMES, I think that has a little too much existing music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Silvestre deserves the Oscar. The best score for 2019's most entertaining and satisfying film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,380 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 24 minutes ago, Thor said: If you're thinking of THE SONG OF NAMES, I think that has a little too much existing music. Yeah, that's what I thought . It's unfortunate, because that would've been Shore biggest chance at a nomination since An Unexpected Journey in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,275 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Hugo didn't have a good chance? Spotlight won best picture, that score had a good chance of being nominated too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,380 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Jay said: Hugo didn't have a good chance? Spotlight won best picture, that score had a good chance of being nominated too Hugo was nominated in 2011, one year before AUJ came out. Due to the two Oscars the LOTR scores have earned, everyone thought the first Hobbit would get nominated too... Until he was excluded, in favor of bland and boring stuff like Argo and Skyfall (one of the most baffling nominations I have ever seen). Spotlight's score was very discrete and small scale, I guess it never had much of a chance, despite the movie's success with the Academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,275 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Aw man, I always forget Hugo came before AUJ, not after! D'oh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,020 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 That's okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Hugo is a special film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,275 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Yea I loved it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 By my count the Newman family has precisely 90 Oscar nominations between them as of now. If both Thomas and Randy were nominated that would 92! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,461 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 Williams actually only has 9 nominations left to tie alltime leader Walt Disney. So so close, but no cigar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,380 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 9 hours ago, Thor said: Williams actually only has 9 nominations left to tie alltime leader Walt Disney. So so close, but no cigar. The Rise of Skywalker Indy 5 The Kidnapping of Edgard Mortara Robopocalypse Indy 6 Best Original Song for Indy 6 (a vocal version of the movie's love theme between Indy's teenage daughter Charley Jones, played by Hailee Steinfeld, and her love interest, played by Noah Centineo) Indy 7 (teaming up Indy's two sons, Mutt and Charley, to rescue their father from the revenge of Bellocq's grandson, François, played by Ty Simpkins) Tintin 2 (directed by Peter Jackson) Tintin 3 (directed by Spielberg) There it is! Now, just put Spielberg to actually work on those movies, while JW's keeps a routine that will keep him healthy until he is... what... 99? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,461 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 He, he.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 18 hours ago, Thor said: Williams actually only has 9 nominations left to tie alltime leader Walt Disney. So so close, but no cigar. Disney's record is bullshit. It is mostly for producing shorts - literally. And the credit system has changed. Now the nomination goes to the actual director and writer of the short, earlier it went to the producer. So Disney's record is basically worthless and in actuality Williams is the single most successful artist nomination wise with the academy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,461 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Yeah, I know there are all kinds of differences when comparing various periods. But a record is a record, and an Oscar is an Oscar. Just as Alfred Newman still is the film composer with the most Oscars (9), even if they're not all for original scores, but also for adaptations etc. Or Alan Menken still is the living film composer with the most (8), even if some of them are for songs. It's unnecessary nitpicking to delineate between degree of creative involvement, or nature of the work, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 It isn't. You have to give context for a certain records or achievements otherwise you are saying nobody can ever surpass records. Records being broken is good for everyone. And there should be a fair field where it is possible to do that. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,506 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Every comparison of Williams with Newman or Disney that does not include a note on changing circumstances and categories, is flawed, and thus statistically uninformative. The reluctance to adjust prize value for deflation / inflation is a moving of goalposts by idleness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,461 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Nah, I disagree. Otherwise, you're left with a void, or multiple, "narrow fields" of comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,020 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 11 hours ago, Edmilson said: Best Original Song for Indy 6 (a vocal version of the movie's love theme between Indy's teenage daughter Charley Jones, played by Hailee Steinfeld, and her love interest, played by Noah Centineo) Indy 7 (teaming up Indy's two sons, Mutt and Charley, to rescue their father from the revenge of Bellocq's grandson, François, played by Ty Simpkins) So Charley changes sex between Indy 6 and 7. I guess they'll make a spinoff to explain that small detail. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 1 hour ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: Every comparison of Williams with Newman or Disney that does not include a note on changing circumstances and categories, is flawed, and thus statistically uninformative. The reluctance to adjust prize value for deflation / inflation is a moving of goalposts by idleness. The way you phrase it sounds like ammunition against any comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,506 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, publicist said: The way you phrase it sounds like ammunition against any comparison. It was designed to be that way. Awards given by commitees or voting groups are not sports tournaments, so using them to compare the achievement of professionals in a given field with the result of someone looking better and someone looking worse is misleading. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 No, it's just the Oscars, not an academic thesis. Williams has 5 Oscars, one for adaptation so you damn well can count Alfie Newman's Oscars for musical adaptations, too. Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,380 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: So Charley changes sex between Indy 6 and 7. I guess they'll make a spinoff to explain that small detail. Or they just cast one of the boys from Stranger Things to be... him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,506 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,020 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 JW's score to Fiddler is among his best works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Exactly. As a measure of the man's capabilites i find it curious to be anal about categories but leaving out Fiddler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 JWFan should archive discussions that came from nothing and led to nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,380 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Joker won for Best Original Score at tonight's Globes, defeating Little Women, Marriage Story, 1917 and Motherless Brooklyn. Thomas will be another year without his Oscar 😭 😭 😭 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,294 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 You can etch that Joker Best Score Oscar into stone now. Williams loses yet again. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Williams never had any chance whatsoever. I think Newman still has a chance if 1917 really blows up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 54 minutes ago, crumbs said: You can etch that Joker Best Score Oscar into stone now. Fucking gross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,270 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Coolman still stands a chance if he wins the BAFTA. If Hildur gets that, she’ll probably get the Oscar too. JW was done when the film underwhelmed. It was never gonna be an awards fave so needed to be a major crowdpleaser but it’s too perfunctory. I don’t think it’s gotten anybody excited about giving him a sixth Oscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 Apart from 'Night Window' i see no reason for a Newman win, except to prevent 'Joker' from getting it and i'm not sure that is incentive enough. It may 'work' good in the movie, but it sure is no advancement of the musical art form in the film medium, it's another high five to the sound designers. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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