Giftheck 916 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 No, I just think they posted it earlier than they were supposed to - it probably wasn't supposed to go live before the film came out for general audiences, or at least had its premiere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,355 Posted December 12, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2019 The deadline for the music branch of the Academy to release their short list of score nominees was Tuesday at 5pm PST, so that's when it was removed. It was probably up for a while before @thx99 found the links to it for us.... and we're pretty lucky he found them when he did, since that was only about 5 hours before it was removed! All praise @thx99! thx99, Holko, Timo Martikainen and 7 others 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, MaestroUE said: [...] This surely is gonna be somewhat fixed in the complete score but i kinda have started feeling a little pessimistic about the fulfillment of the complete score. If there were major new themes, they probably would've been represented in the FYC, which is the purpose of the album, otherwise who would prefer underscore to thematically well written new cues? [...] ^This. I am dearly, dearly hoping that are more awesome themes or cues not represented on the FYC, but on the other hand I can't help but feel pessimistic - why would the best new cues be left off the FYC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 12, 2019 Author Share Posted December 12, 2019 Well, if some of these great theme statements came in the middle of cues that also contained straight-forward statements of old themes, and/or came in cues that ended up heavily edited in the final cut, he would have left those off the FYC to focus on other cues instead. There's no reason to use these 50 minutes to pass any judgement on the complete 200 or whatever minute score. The OST should be a much better way to judge it, as well as seeing how it works in the film itself Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Loert 2,511 Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: Another thought: does anyone else think that the colour white fits the score perfectly? It just sounds white. Sounds more bluish to me. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 12, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: Another thought: does anyone else think that the colour white fits the score perfectly? It just sounds white. Racist. _deleted_, Ricard, crumbs and 5 others 1 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jost1 105 Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 28 minutes ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: Another thought: does anyone else think that the colour white fits the score perfectly? It just sounds white. This isn't the Synaesthesia forum so no Bilbo, montgocloud and tmarps 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Can one claim that the score will be less theme-based and more texture- and set piece-based? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Richard Penna 3,687 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 The thing with Approaching The Throne is that the build-up with the racing strings is really cool, but then the choir takes over and everything just stops - it's so anti-climactic. It would be nice if that's just how it appears in the film and the OST is different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thx99 1,740 Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Jay said: The deadline for the music branch of the Academy to release their short list of score nominees was Tuesday at 5pm PST, so that's when it was removed. It was probably up for a while before @thx99 found the links to it for us.... and we're pretty lucky he found them when he did, since that was only about 5 hours before it was removed! All praise @thx99! I couldn’t download the files fast enough when I found them!! I’m thrilled that I was able to share the good fortune with my fellow JWFANners. I don’t know how long they had been up before Tuesday, though. I assumed the MP3s were taken down because of the exposure they received after the discovery, but it’s possible they could have been taken down based on the deadline (however the Frozen II files and site are still up). crlbrg, Will, Cerebral Cortex and 3 others 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 Sure, but the Frozen 2 film is already open. I suspect the TROS files will be back if it becomes one of the 5 nominees for best score, to promote to the entire academy to please vote for it (the entire academy can vote on the winner, the music branch voted on who the nominees will be) thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 12 hours ago, Pellaeon said: 03 We Go Together - surely this was recorded at a much slower tempo than what is presented here? What makes you say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Was looking through that thread we had on that sheet music picture we got from Joann Kane a few months back... On 10/7/2019 at 10:53 PM, crumbs said: Looks to be 1M14, yep. So they're yet to record some of the earliest cues in the film. On 10/8/2019 at 9:33 AM, crumbs said: Falcon's Last Flight ? Quote 02 Falcon Flight (2:22) Not too shabby, Crumbs. Not shabby at all. crumbs and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obi 404 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 7 hours ago, Richard Penna said: The thing with Approaching The Throne is that the build-up with the racing strings is really cool, but then the choir takes over and everything just stops - it's so anti-climactic. It would be nice if that's just how it appears in the film and the OST is different. I'm sure it will be ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 My theory as to why it stops so abruptly is because it might segue into another piece of music that we don't have. Maybe even Duel of the Fates, although I doubt that. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 well yeah the track is faded out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: My theory as to why it stops so abruptly is because it might segue into another piece of music that we don't have. Maybe even Duel of the Fates, although I doubt that. Dude! 12 hours ago, Jay said: Listening to the end of Approaching The Throne.. it is suspicious! Almost like it's possible that they muted the orchestra after 4:08, only leaving the choir continue on to finish, because in the actual film, the orchestra continues on from there with Duel of the Fates backing. Who knows, it's possible though. Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Damn that soft horn unisono of Poe's theme with lovely string accompaniment is so beautiful. Smaug The Iron and Loert 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Everyone claiming that the score is less thematic understands that old franchise themes are typically stripped from FYC music where it is reasonable and easy to do so, rrrrright? ocelot 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 JW just ran out of themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I run out of themes three or four times a day these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Remco 685 Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: My theory as to why it stops so abruptly is because it might segue into another piece of music that we don't have. Maybe even Duel of the Fates, although I doubt that. 14 hours ago, Jay said: Listening to the end of Approaching The Throne.. it is suspicious! Almost like it's possible that they muted the orchestra after 4:08, only leaving the choir continue on to finish, because in the actual film, the orchestra continues on from there with Duel of the Fates backing. Who knows, it's possible though. Dude! On 12/11/2019 at 12:47 AM, Remco said: I'd love it it the big B minor chord at the end of 'Approaching the Throne' would segue into a big statement of 'Duel of the Fates', the way we heard it in one of the tv spots. mstrox, crumbs, Ricard and 3 others 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 Haha, nice! Posts were flying in so fast in the early days, I either missed that, or did take it in, and had it subconciously on my mind when I checked out the end of that track again after King Mark kept bringing it up Remco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I hope not DotF, it is so last season. Holko and mstrox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 22 hours ago, mrbellamy said: Also not sure if this was mentioned, 2:50-3:05 of “Farewell” is a veiled reference to the theme in “We Go Together” right? Maybe some evidence it’s related to the “Farewell” theme. My prediction for now is the WGT theme is like a “group/final adventure” theme that we’ll hear in the first part of the movie, then the “Farewell” one will take over towards the end as a general finale theme. Yeah, this. Really reminds me of what he did with War Horse, and how the main theme transmogrified into the homecoming/finale theme. Overall, I'm thrilled with the quality and the style of the underscore and action writing—it somehow manages to feel like a fresh development of his ST sound, yet also more of a piece with the OT and the PT. If this is really the best of the new thematic material, I'm with those who are a bit disappointed. But that might just speak to the nature of this movie—maybe there's just not a lot of room for new material if the film is revisiting and rewrapping old storylines. At 0:29 in Hallway Shooting, anyone else get Approaching the Death Star vibes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 10 hours ago, mrbellamy said: What makes you say that [WGT is sped up]? There’s something off about it—it pulses and swells in a way which sounds artificial—and I thought you guys would have a better idea what that is about. I thought it could just be compression artifacts, but because it would also make better musical sense if played at about 3/4 of that tempo, I thought might be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 Man we really need the OST to come out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Man we really need the OST to come out... I agree, but I hope people aren't getting their hopes up *too* much that there will be some vast huge difference. The TFA and TLJ FYCs were way inferior presentations compared to their corresponding OSTs, but you *did* get a pretty good idea of the score overall from both. I love what I'm hearing from this TROS FYC, but if someone doesn't.... I dunno... mrbellamy and Will 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 All we can do is wait and see Disco Stu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Give us the Leak! Give us the Leak! Give us the Leak! JacksonElmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potterhead 42 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 my friend works at Target.. maybe ill give him a call 😉 Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Disco Stu said: I agree, but I hope people aren't getting their hopes up *too* much that there will be some vast huge difference. The TFA and TLJ FYCs were way inferior presentations compared to their corresponding OSTs, but you *did* get a pretty good idea of the score overall from both. I love what I'm hearing from this TROS FYC, but if someone doesn't.... I dunno... Agree. Mainly just waiting on a concert suite and end credits, hoping they rank at least somewhere in the middle of Star Wars faves. Other than that, longer tracks in general would be nice, hoping for more battle stuff toward the end which there’s not that great a sense of from the FYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 the biggest crime is movies like Avengers readily get a 2 c.d. deluxe edition and we're still stuck in the 1980's with the same 1 c.d OST. This is Star Wars and John Williams, why are these thing not considered? Would have been a nice ending to finally get our expanded edition right away A. A. Ron, crumbs, montgocloud and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,388 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, King Mark said: This is Star Wars and John Williams, why are these thing not considered? Because this is Star Wars and John Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 And then people start chiming in that it would be too expensive to produce , re-use fees, no market for it... So there IS a market for a 2 c.d. Silvestri Avengers but not for a John Williams Star Wars score. Is that what I'm supposed to understand? Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I think what you’re meant to understand is that Williams normally doesn’t do double CDs and chooses what music he wants you to have. montgocloud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 6 minutes ago, King Mark said: And then people start chiming in that it would be too expensive to produce , re-use fees, no market for it... So there IS a market for a 2 c.d. Silvestri Avengers but not for a John Williams Star Wars score. Is that what I'm supposed to understand? Your point stands about more music getting officially released for Avengers but I need to point out that Endgame only got a 1 disc CD release. The longer deluxe edition was digital only I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ocelot 508 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Damn it! I missed it?!?!?!?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I think it’s Williams who wants 1 disc, not Disney. A. A. Ron and mrbellamy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I think it's both. Williams because it's his preferred way of presenting his music, and Disney because it's their preferred way of milking the cash cow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 John "The Cow" Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 I think Conrad Pope gave an interview where he talked about JW having an old school approach to album releases and delivering a compact, single CD of music and is actually somewhat disbelieving that anyone would want a 2 cd release with every bit of underscore or minor motif for an official OST release. Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Nagus 43 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 1 hour ago, artguy360 said: I think Conrad Pope gave an interview where he talked about JW having an old school approach to album releases and delivering a compact, single CD of music and is actually somewhat disbelieving that anyone would want a 2 cd release with every bit of underscore or minor motif for an official OST release. Well, than Mr. Williams needs to visit this forum more often. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Or even any social media website. Believe it or not I see commoners talking about how they want initial soundtracks to be complete all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Drew 590 Posted December 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 13, 2019 Conspiracy theory: * Lucasfilm creates fake leaks to mislead people * The film needed reshoots anyway and Williams scored all of it * The old score was arranged into a fake FYC (hence the short cues) with fake track titles to falsely confirm the leaks, and purposely deleted quickly. crlbrg, Oswin Pond, A. A. Ron and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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karelm 2,913 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 5 hours ago, artguy360 said: I think Conrad Pope gave an interview where he talked about JW having an old school approach to album releases and delivering a compact, single CD of music and is actually somewhat disbelieving that anyone would want a 2 cd release with every bit of underscore or minor motif for an official OST release. JW is thinking in classic film terms. For example, in "Gone with the Wind", Max Steiner composed over three hours of score in 99 cues, of which two hours and 36 minutes are used in the film and 76 minutes are in the expanded soundtrack from 2013 and almost all of the score can be experienced in about 30 minutes with much of the remaining music being a variant of something else. About half the score is 30 second segues between scenes. They just believed a lot of the underscore isn't particularly valuable as a listening experience and frankly they're right about everyone but completists and us die-hards which is a very small part of the audience. He's a fan of the soundtracks he grew up with just we are...I love soundtracks that feature most of the score plus a few suites that aren't in the film and a big overture style finale but that is a very retro style. In the 1990's weren't there soundtrack albums that were mostly pop albums that featured music "inspired by the film"? Like wasn't Batman '89 a pop album though the soundtrack is almost entirely symphonic? I thought the same with The Matrix. We had to wait many years to hear most of the orchestral score. "Event Horizon" soundtrack has very little music that is actually in the movie. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 5 hours ago, Ricard said: I think it's both. Williams because it's his preferred way of presenting his music, and Disney because it's their preferred way of milking the cash cow That doesn't follow. Disney has released at least 2 expanded Avengers albums alongside their regular OST counterparts on day 1.The decision may have made at Marvel Studios, but clearly, Disney was ok with putting all the music out there. I don't see any reason why they would let Marvel do that, but not Lucasfilm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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