Popular Post Romão 2,274 Posted December 25, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 25, 2019 As much as I want the unreleased music and like the combined assembly of the OST and the FYC, I still think this cd, as it stands, provides a very good listening experience. Smeltington, Tiburon, Taikomochi and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 3:33 PM, Jay said: Holy shit. When you list it out like that, it's stunning. John Williams really has a different concept of what a score highlight is, compared to the fans of his work. KM knows his unreleased Williams highlights and should be taken into considerantion when talking about them, not mocked as a whinny fan as it happens most of the times ... Ricard and Andy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,066 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 He should stop behaving like a whinny fan most of the time, then. Taikomochi and Ricard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I don’t think JW is bad at guessing/knowing what the fans want. There’s only so much music you can put on an album. At some point, there’s one thing or other you have to leave out - and no matter what that is - as JW fans we will always want that moment. If JW then had put “that moment” on the album that would mean some other cue would be missing, and then we’d want that one, and so on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 no, that's incorrect. Clear highlights are what they are. Andy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 On 12/23/2019 at 10:01 AM, King Mark said: Now that I think about it , Williams leaving off "Lando Arrives" main theme rendition on the OST is exactly like when didn't include Helicopter Rescue and Indy Climbs the Sub on the Superman and Raiders OSTs , both cues containing the most heroic and glorious statements of the themes I have heard that theme often enough. I want the 20-second Knights of Ren cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I never heard the main Star Wars theme played like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,352 Posted December 26, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2019 Let's say hypothetically the moment after the last cue was recorded at the recording sessions, JW got the flu and was out of commission for half a week, and the OST had to be constructed during that time. I don't think there is a single album producer in Hollywood who wouldn't have included Lando Returns on the OST album. It doesn't matter who was put in charge, other than JW himself no one else would exclude it. Most of them would have probably put on The Training Course too. It's not only a fun cue, it re-establishes her theme at the start of the score/album, which is something JW usually considers, but didn't this time. Andy, Damien F, Ricard and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 The Training Cue, Lando Returns, Falcon Flight should all be on the OST but there's simply not enough room. There's well over 80 minutes of really great music in this score so something has to give, short of someone convincing JW to move beyond single disc soundtracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 I am confident were I given access to the entire 3 hours or whatever it is of recording sessions, I could build an 80 minute highlight album that would please most fans. There's never pleasing everybody, of course, but the collection of cues most would remember after seeing the movie or listening to an album once are easy to figure out, along with the cues that tell the biggest pieces of the narrative story of the film (like the deconstruction of Kylo's theme in this score) crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I would have thought JW would be first in line asking for proper chronological presentations of these scores, considering how intricately he develops the themes throughout them. Kylo's theme in TROS being the standout, but you don't get any sense of that development in the final assembly (and it's not isolated to TROS, he regularly omits new versions of old themes on these things). Ultimately it just robs the scores of their full potential, from a listening experience standpoint. Holko 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Out of the 80 minute album, what would you remove and replace with another cue? Maybe cut out the two minute reprisal of the Imperial March? Anything else? Because the album itself doesn’t have too many cues that I’d remove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 I can't say I've put any thought into that yet, but there are certainly some tracks on the OST I don't feel are necessary to telling the story in 80 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I can’t think of any tracks on the album I don’t think are essential to the musical narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I am also quite happy with the OST. I haven’t listened to the FYC yet, no time around the holidays. Is “Lando Returns” and “The Training Course” on there? I cannot remember the cues from the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 No, they are not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Sorry, but there is simply too many TROS score thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Arpy 4,145 Posted December 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2019 21 hours ago, crumbs said: I would have thought JW would be first in line asking for proper chronological presentations of these scores, considering how intricately he develops the themes throughout them. Kylo's theme in TROS being the standout, but you don't get any sense of that development in the final assembly (and it's not isolated to TROS, he regularly omits new versions of old themes on these things). Ultimately it just robs the scores of their full potential, from a listening experience standpoint. This is what Thor doesn't seem to understand. No amount of trimming, microediting, or arranging of the cues of the OST by Williams can account for the narrative puzzle pieces that are missing here. To continue the puzzle analogy, Thor would say: 'Williams has crafted an excellent puzzle set; it's intricately crafted, gives one the impression of the score, but oh - I know it doesn't really look like the picture on the box and important details are missing, but don't you like how this piece fits here?' crumbs, Edmilson and Holko 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I'm working on my website this morning, do we have yet the cover for the FYC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 Nope We don't even know if they even pressed CD versions this year or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Ok thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 So we might be stuck with these 192 kpbs MP3s for 20 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Williams is pretty much the only composer where there's are issues getting expanded scores in a reasonable time period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Weird that the FYC site is still not back up. Wonder what that's about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 5 hours ago, JTWfan77 said: Weird that the FYC site is still not back up. Wonder what that's about? They got the shortlist mention they wanted. Their work now is done. Now the music branch can experience the score in the film as it the academy prefers anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 And we barely got the MP3's a few hours before the links died Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 But doesn't the FYC need to be distributed to all voters to encourage them to vote for the score? Doesn't help if it's not available... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 It might become available again after it is nominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 And it's theoretically possible that's when Disney start distributing physical CDs to voters who might not be internet savvy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,006 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 @Jay am I hearing Anthem of Evil at 1:11 in Advice? It is from the moment where: Spoiler Kylo seems to be hesitant mirroring the TFA bridge scene with Han. I watched the film last night and noticed that. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 Hmm, sounds similar enough to me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I took that moment as Anthem of Evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aescalle 122 Posted December 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2019 On 12/28/2019 at 2:29 PM, Bespin said: I'm working on my website this morning, do we have yet the cover for the FYC? Not official ones. I am not sure if these covers will work for you, but I did them following the TFA and TLJ exemples. greenturnedblue, heidl, Cerebral Cortex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 It's for my website, I used the logo Disney put on their website for the moment. We are not even sure that it will get a physical release like Jay pointed out earlier. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 I whipped up this "cover" when the FYC first dropped, it's a portion of the FYC site aescalle and thx99 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 This FYC still sounds like it was assembled by someone on a late Friday afternoon who just wanted to go on his weekend break. or didn't finish it before they decided to put it online If they made it a bit longer and included a few more cues we wanted to hear we might be happier with our expanded sets right now Will and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 It's ridiculous it's only 50 minutes long crumbs and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 2 hours ago, Jay said: I whipped up this "cover" when the FYC first dropped, it's a portion of the FYC site Thanks, it's better like that with the JW mention, I'll use it on my website! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 No problem! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 513 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 If you listen to Join Me on the OST and then on the FYC it is almost the same, except on the FYC you can here Luke's Theme fore the moment Rey jumps on to the Falcon. But I think Luke's Theme is tracked in that scene. Because if you are listening to Battle of the Resistance (OST and FYC) you can here the same version of Luke's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,352 Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 Nice catch! Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I'm happy we got Falcon Flight at least , because it does contain a motif that was tracked into another scene. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 13 hours ago, Smaug the iron said: If you listen to Join Me on the OST and then on the FYC it is almost the same, except on the FYC you can here Luke's Theme fore the moment Rey jumps on to the Falcon. But I think Luke's Theme is tracked in that scene. Because if you are listening to Battle of the Resistance (OST and FYC) you can here the same version of Luke's Theme. Yes! However now I notice the cut where the cues were spliced together after the statement of Luke's Theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 So still no FYC site. Is it really not coming back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,686 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 There's really no way for us to know that. The annoying thing is, if I hadn't heard the FYC I'd be much happier with the OST as I wouldn't know about all the missing bits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 1 hour ago, JTWfan77 said: So still no FYC site. Is it really not coming back? Might not be back up - I wonder if Disney would've sent the academy a link to a digital copy instead of bothering with discs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 The fact the film was so divisive with critics could mean they won't bother spending money or campaigning for the film at the Oscars (in which case, no physical FYCs). Different story if the film was better received but the general consensus is that it was a mess. Will and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 It would suck of this score didn't get a nomination because of the film's reception. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I don't think it should be nominated. I would prefer Avengers: Endgame to get a nom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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