mrbellamy 6,278 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 22 minutes ago, Bofur01 said: I have a really vague feeling about reading a statement where JJ said that he never told JW what to write for any point in the film... does anyone else recall this? Seems like it would be relevant to this discussion... There's the quote from Force Awakens where Williams said JJ's most recent note had been "Just do your thing" gkgyver and Will 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2 hours ago, Ludwig said: Here's what I get for that passage. Not quite the F#sus4 @Nick Parker suggested, but close! I'd call these chords quartal rather than try to force them (haha) into third-based labels of major and minor chords. I included the last chord of the preceding passage because the latter one grows out of it. The sustained chord on top is used again in bar 3, though now with C# as bass, so truly quartal as C#-F#-B-E (upper parts rearranged, but bass is the "root", a bit like with major and minor chords). Add some of Williams beloved planing of the upper chords and that's pretty much the passage, harmonically, until the last chord, which veers away from pure quartal writing. Quartal harmony is great because it kind of sits in between tonal and atonal - perfect for scenes of tension, especially when we're unsure which way a fight or battle is going to go at the moment. Thanks, I was struggling with deciding if there was an E or B in those first chords. I also didn't know how appropriate it'd be to use the term quartal, just in case. It's a really nice musical decision to underscore the reveal that Hux is a spy, it has that somewhat emotional but pumped feeling. I also misheard the G# as an A, that's what I get for trying to hear bass on a phone. Makes a lot more sense that way, to keep up that quartal feeling. Ludwig 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 37 minutes ago, mrbellamy said: There's the quote from Force Awakens where Williams said JJ's most recent note had been "Just do your thing" Every composer needs someone to push him a little. Abrams has too much respect for Williams. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, mrbellamy said: There's the quote from Force Awakens where Williams said JJ's most recent note had been "Just do your thing" That was overridden by Kathy's note. Kathy said - As many old themes as possible, specially the Emperor's theme. I find him the most relatable character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Hmm , it sounds to me like he was asked to re-write most of it so it wasn't "do your thing" really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 It is unfortunate how choppy the music in the film is and with so much tracking. An iso score would probably be an awful listening experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Well, if the FYC is any indication... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 26 minutes ago, artguy360 said: It is unfortunate how choppy the music in the film is and with so much tracking. An iso score would probably be an awful listening experience. no, like I said the unreleased music seems not heavily edited so it can be salvaged and we can make a decent edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post petek66 27 Posted December 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2019 I thought it was fitting (and maybe intentional?) that the Main Title in the end credits suite hits as soon as the music department credits start rolling- led by Williams' conducting credit. Brando, crumbs, Larry O and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Speaking of which - when I watched the movie, I couldn't actually tell what differences there were between the album version of the end titles and the film version, but I'd been told the film version was a minute shorter. IS there a difference, or is the Finale presentation on the OST actually film-accurate for once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 hour ago, petek66 said: I thought it was fitting (and maybe intentional?) that the Main Title in the end credits suite hits as soon as the music department credits start rolling- led by Williams' conducting credit. it's ok in the actual film credit but a total waste of spce on the OST Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Is there a list of what specific scenes are scored by the OST or FYC tracks? As in what's on screen? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted December 31, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2019 No, but I was planning on writing one up tomorrow on my day off! CGCJ, KittBash, #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal and 4 others 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Awesome!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 23 hours ago, Holko said: Really not complete at all actually. Really???? Maybe is because the score for The Mandalorian is not of my particular taste so probably I'm not so aware of the different missing cues! Out of curiosity, is there many music missing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Ep4 is missing a single cue. Ep6 sounded like it was missing a lot, especially the triumphant orchestral ending. Ep7-8 are missig things too. It varies. Nothing groundbreaking but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 It's a better release than we got for Rise of Skywalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post dylanskie 104 Posted January 1, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2020 Apparently there's a Lego SW video game coming out sometime this year--hopefully it'll have some unreleased tracks from TROS! That's something to look forward to if they don't release a score-only version with this in March. crumbs, Will, Tiburon and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Plenty of people don't seem to like the credits music. I find it the best of the 3 sequels. The transition from the ROS theme into the main titles is really good. I love the quieter start of the SW main theme. We never heard something like this before because the main titles usually start with a boom. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 hours ago, dylanskie said: Apparently there's a Lego SW video game coming out sometime this year--hopefully it'll have some unreleased tracks from TROS! That's something to look forward to if they don't release a score-only version with this in March. Don't get your hopes up. The Lego SW games usually don't have any unreleased music. Lego TFA only had one unreleased cue, and that was only because it was originally supposed to be on the OST. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 It could still feature those new scans for RotJ for example, instead of the muffled SE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted January 1, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2020 OK here's what happening in the film during all the music we have I'm skipping past the prologue for now because it's such a muddled mess and I don't want to start with a bunch of confusing speculation Any time I say "unscored" that only means the scene has no music in the final cut, we obviously have no idea if Williams actually scored some of these scenes and JJ chose not to use it And any time I say unreleased, there's likewise no way to know if the music heard was written by JW for the scene in question or if JJ tracked it in from some place else; I'll try to mention the obvious tracking when I can but we won't be able to identify all of it until we either get all the sheets or all recordings Without further ado.......... Unscored After the prologue, there is no music Poe and Finn playing chess against Chewie in the Falcon, nor their arrival on the Sinta Glacier to meet Boolio. FYC 02 Falcon Flight 2:22 The cue begins quietly as Boolio mentions there's a new spy, and becomes fast-paced on an external shot showing dozens of TIE Fighters closing in on their location. The fast-paced version of The Emperor's Theme plays as Poe looks out the window and notices all the TIEs approaching them, The Resistance Theme plays as they say goodbye to Boolio and he tells them to "Win the war", and the rest of the cue covers the action/chase sequence as they avoid the TIEs and light-speed-jump to escape, featuring The Rebel Fanfare as Finn shoots down a TIE, We Go Together as Finn and Poe simultaneously realize shooting some scaffolding (?) down will destroy some TIEs, The Resistance Theme as Poe shoots through an ice wall to escape, and the Action Ostinato and Rebel Fanfare at two points during the light-speed jumping. Unreleased music On Ajan Kloss, we hear The Force Theme as Rey floats and tries to connect with the Jedi of the past, followed by a straight-forward rendition of Rey's Theme when she stops levitating and lands on the ground, and then amazing new action renditions punctuate her run through the training course. The Imperial March is used as Ren is shown touching the melted mask of Vader (this sounds tracked, I think), and then there is a cue of non-thematic underscore as Rey talks with Leia. Finn, Poe, and Chewie returning and interacting with Rey is all unscored. The next unreleased cue begins as the resistance is gathered and Poe lets them know the Emperor has returned and what his message was, which is scored with a neat unreleased and lengthy rendition of The Emperors Theme. As Rey tells Leia she knows how to find Exegol (using a Sith Wayfinder) the Force Theme is heard, followed by Rey's Theme after Leia tells her not to go but Rey says she will go anyway. FYC 03 We Go Together 2:10 / OST 09A [0:00-2:33] We Go Together 2:33 The We Go Together Theme is introduced properly as Finn and Poe tell Rey they are going with her to find the Wayfinder, then Rey's Theme plays as she begins talking to Leia, followed by The Force Theme as she and Leia hug goodbye, followed by a big sweeping rendition of We Go Together as Rey, Finn, Poe, Chewie, 3P0, and BB8 all take off together. The full ending of this cue is only available on the FYC, because the OST segues to a different cue before this cue has finished ringing out. Unreleased music The Knights of Ren Theme plays as the Knights reforge Kylo's mask, followed by Kylo Ren's Theme as he marches down the hallway with them to a meeting where Boolio's head is placed on a table and another unreleased rendition of The Emperors Theme as Kylo tells his crew what he found on Exegol. What sounds like tracked music plays as Kylo begins force-choking one crew member in the room. OST 09B [2:33-end] Arrival on Pasaana 0:44 The bulk of this short cue as heard on the OST does not appear in the film at all, so likely underscored a deleted scene of some sort of conversation on board the Falcon. Only the tail end of the cue is heard as the Falcon lands on Pasaana. Unreleased music Source music by JJ Abrams is heard as they first check out the festival, seguing to an unreleased cue as Nyambee approaches Rey and gives her a necklace. Rey's Theme plays as she has to explain that she does not have a family name, which segues to ominous music as Rey and Kylo Ren begin their force conversation. Most of the conversation plays with no score until Kylo Ren's Theme comes in towards the end, and the pace picks up as Rey realizes he grabbed her necklace and will be able to find them. A brief pause in the music occurs when they get trapped by a stormtrooper but are saved by a masked helper, who is revealed to be Lando Calrissian as We Go Together plays. Another unreleased cue covers Lando telling them about the Sith Wayfinder he was tracking with Luke, which starts slowly but picks up when they notice First Order ships approaching, and then Leia's Theme is heard when Lando asks Rey to give Leia his love. After a brief pause, another brief, nonthematic unreleased cue begins as Poe begins to fix a speeder they can use, which leads into: OST 05 The Speeder Chase 3:21 The cue as heard on the OST is not heard in the film, but seems to me to be written for an earlier, longer cut of this chase sequence where our heroes escape from First Order pursuer and eventually crash after killing them all and landing in quicksand. The film version features the Action Ostinato that is possibly tracked in from Falcon Flight, and some Rey's Theme as BB8 taps on a canister until it shoots out and explodes on a pursuer, as well as this cue's set-piece theme when they get another speeder to crash into a rock. Unreleased music No score plays as they shoot the final stormtrooper down and then fall through the quicksand, nor during a brief scene where Snap talks to Leia. Score returns as our heroes collect themselves in underground tunnels. Rey asking Finn what it was that he wanted to tell her is unscored, with music entering again as they find a speeder with Sith markings on it. The music is non-thematic as they look around and eventually find the Sith Dagger, with C3P0 letting them know he can read the location of the Wayfinder from the dagger. The rest of their conversation is unscored, with music beginning as the snake appears behind 3P0, ending as Rey gets everyone else to lower their blasters. She approaches the snake with no music playing, but when she notices that the snake is bruised and bleeding, a nice cue begins that transitions into Rey's Theme as she sits down and The Force Theme as she heals the snake's wound. A brief unreleased cue featuring The Knights of Ren Theme plays as the Knights arrive nearby and begin looking around. FYC 04 In the Desert 2:26 The group climbing up to the crashed ship is mostly unscored, but this cue begins as Rey realizes Kylo is nearby and tells them to get the ship working as she goes to prepare for him. The Resistance Theme is used as the rest of the group enters the ship and Poe tells everyone what to do, with some pounding drums being used for the Knights of Ren shown to be right outside. The uptick is pace comes when Finn realizes Chewie has been captured and runs to hide behind a rock, and Anthem of Evil briefly plays as the stormtroopers hold up the Sith Dagger. The cue ends quietly as Rey meditates briefly before igniting her saber as Kylo approaches. Unreleased music The entire scene with Kylo flying towards Rey and her jumping up and sabering his TIE is unscored, the next unreleased cue begins as Finn tells Rey that Chewie has been captured and she reaches up to use the force to pull the transporter back to the surface. A sweet unreleased version of Kylo Ren's Theme plays as he is shown to be alive, then walks towards Rey and begins force-pulling the transport himself, with the cue building towards an explosive climax as Rey's force-lightning destroys the transporter. Another short, non-thematic, unreleased cue plays as Finn yells to Rey to get her to leave with them, and then no music is heard as they are shown to be safe in an asteroid field and Rey is lamenting that she killed Chewie. FYC 05 A Prisoner 1:23 The music begins as Poe tells her it was not her fault, and dark music plays as Rey tells Finn about her vision of being on the Emperor's throne, then the scene shifts to Hux telling Pryde they have a prisoner, which is revealed to be a not-dead Chewie as We Go Together plays. 3P0 lets the group know the dagger's inscription is in his memory bank, and Poe says he knows someone who can help on Kijimi, but he is reluctant to want to return there. This is all unscored. FYC 06 To Kimiji 1:37 The cue begins with Poe stating he's willing to go to Kijimi, though, because Chewie will have died for nothing if they don't continue on, with We Go Together playing as the heroes all agree to conitnue the mission for Chewie. A quick fanfare version of The Knights of Ren theme plays as their ship is shown to be following them, then a warm rendition of We Go Together plays as BB8 finds and wakes up D-0, with Rey's Theme playing as he rolls over to her and Rey tells him he's with them now. Bayesian, Ludwig, Smaug The Iron and 10 others 9 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 Unreleased music The initial scenes on Kijimi as the group sneaks around and avoids stormstroopers is unscored, with music entering as Poe tells the group to follow him, but Zorii quickly finds them and points a blaster at Poe's head. The cue is largely subdued and entirely non-thematic. The next cue is a bit more upbeat as Zorii realizes Rey is the one the troopers are looking for, with a brief action outburst playing as she tries to grab her but Rey gets the upper hand. We Go Togetheri is heard as Rey lets Zorii knows she cares what Zorii thinks, but the cue ends with some ominous tension as they narrowly avoid being seen by some stormtroopers, with The Knights of Ren Theme playing as they arrive. Source music ("Oma's Place" by Ricky Tinez and J.J. Abrams) plays as they enter a bar and meet Babu Frick in a backroom, with the next score cue entering as C3P0 realizes he must allow his memory to be wiped so the mission can go on, with Luke's Theme playing as 3P0 tells them he's taking one last look as his friends. A brief unreleased cue is heard when Pryde tells Kylo the Knights of Ren have tracked the heroes to Kijimi. Babu starting his work on 3P0 is unscored, as is the beginning of a conversation Poe and Zorii have on a rooftop. The music enters after Zorii lifts her visor and lets Poe look at her eyes, with music reminiscent of Return to Tattooine from Attack of the Clones playing as Poe shares the story of how no one came to help the Resistance at The Battle of Crait and he expresses doubt that the resistance has any chance of winning the war. A brief scene where Rey fixes D-0's squeeky wheel is unscored, then Lesson Two from The Last Jedi is tracked in as Rey realizes that she recognizes the ship they took from Pasaana, with original music returning as as 3P0 relays the message that was written on the dagger. The pace picks up as Rey runs outside and sees Kylo's Destroyer, which is scored by Kylo Ren's Theme. Luke's Theme is heard again as Rey realizes Chewie is alive. FYC07 Fleeing from Kimiji 1:53 / OST 08A [0:00-1:33] Fleeing from Kijimi 1:33 The fast-paced opening of the cue with the Action Ostinato begins on a shot of Kylo's TIE Fighter flying down from the Destroyer, with Kylo Ren's Theme playing as he approaches the location of our heroes, and after Zorii gives Poe the medal they'll need to escape orbit, The Victory Theme briefly plays as he asks her to join them. Kylo Ren's Theme returns with more menace as stormtroopers are shown, but then our heroes fly to Ren's Destroyer and land in the hangar bay. Some pounding drums play as stormtroopers approach the Falcon's exit ramp, but We Go Together is used as they are able to shoot all the troopers and make their way into the Destroyer. The full ending of this cue is only available on the FYC, because the OST segues to a different cue before this cue has finished ringing out. A brief scene where Rey uses the Jedi Mind Trick on some stormtroopers is unscored. FYC 08 Hallway Shooting 2:11 The group enters a new hallway and shoots out the cameras, with the pace slowing a bit as Rey realizes the Sith Dagger is on the ship and that they need it. The pace picks right back up as she takes off and Finn and Poe goes in another direction, running into Chewie and freeing him, but darker music plays as Pryde finds the Falcon. Fast music returns as Finn and Poe shoot more stormtroopers while escaping with Chewie, who finally gets a blaster to help out and The Resistance Theme plays as all three of them tear through another hallway full of trooopers, but the music takes a dark turn as Poe gets shot and the trio is captured. Unreleased music Rey enters Ren's quarters, with The Imperial March playing as she finds Vader's helmet, before she ultimate finds the Sith Dagger. Kylo begins a force conversation with her, the beginning of which (including him telling her that she's hard to find and her telling him that he's hard to get rid of), is unscored. FYC 09 Hard to Get Rid Of 2:19 The music enters as she points her saber at him and he tries to tell her about her parents, with strings entering as she remembers them leaving her on Jakku and flying away in the ship they've been on. An uptick in the action plays as they duel with sabers for a bit, then quiets down as Pryde instructs some troops to terminate Finn, Poe, and Chewie. Rey and Ren's duel continues, with The Emperor's Theme entering as Ren mentions Palpatine, with tragic music underscoring flashback footage showing a Palpatine loyalist killing Rey's parents. The cue ends as Ren terminates the force conversation. OST 08C [1:33-end] I'm The Spy 1:18 The opening of this cue is unreleased, as Ren tells a stormtrooper to relay the message to lock down his ship because he has realized Rey's in his quarters, but then the scene transitions to the trio behind held at gunpoint by Hux where the OST version of this cue begins, though almost right away about 20 sections of music JW edited out of the OST version plays as Finn and Poe talk what it was he wanted to tell Rey. The bouncy music heard on the OST begins as Hux shoots the two troopers and reveals himself to be spy, and Rey's Theme plays as she returns to the hangar bay and kills two stormtroopers talking to 3P0. Kylo Ren's Theme plays as he enters the hangar as well, and the last upbeat portion of the cue covers Finn, Poe, and Chewie racing to the hangar, with a brief snippet of Luke's Theme as Poe sees Rey in the hangar bay and says that she's a survivor. The cue ends as Hux asks Finn to shoot him in the arm, and he shoots him in the leg instead. In the film, the very end of this actually overlaps with: FYC 10 Join Me 2:21 / OST 10 Join Me 3:42 The high string opening covers Rey and Ren approaching each other, then circling each other in the empty hangar (how did the Millennium Falcon with the rest of our heroes in it get out?) as stormtroopers file in and line the walls. The music quiets as Ren reveals that Rey is a Palpatine, with the crescendo approximately 50 seconds into the cue playing on a closeup of Rey's face as she processes the news. The Anthem of Evil theme now gets a long, slow rendition on strings as Ren walks towards Rey, as he tells her that they are a Force Dyad, backing her up against the hangar's exit into outer space as he asks her to join him in taking down the Emperor together. Over a minute of material heard on the OST from 2:05-3:17 is entirely absent in the film. From 2:05-2:59 the music is very dramatic, and likely underscores a much longer version of their conversation (Rey's Theme appears at one point but its otherwise non-thematic). The brief outburst of action material ending with Kylo Ren's Theme from 2:59-3:17 would have underscored the Falcon showing up to save Rey, but this is replaced in the final film with 15 seconds of material tracked in from The Battle of the Resistance, which features Luke's Theme over a shot of Poe in the cockpit. The film/FYC version and OST version are the same for the ending, with Rey's Theme playing as she jumps off of the Destroyer towards Finn, who grabs her from the Falcon's landing ramp and she boards the Falcon as the cue ends with a fanfare and they fly away. mstrox, TheUlyssesian, Edmilson and 8 others 7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 4 hours ago, Jay said: A sweet unreleased version of Kylo Rens Theme plays as he is shown to be alive and walks towards Rey and begins force-pulling himself. 2 hours ago, Jay said: FYC 10 Join Me 2:21 / OST 10 Join Me 3:42 The minute+ of action material heard on the OST from 2:05-3:17 is entirely absent in the film, replaced by 15 seconds of music tracked in from The Battle of the Resistance featuring Lukes Theme as Poe is shown to be piloting the Falcon outside. Wow! That's one of my favourite pieces of music on the whole OST and it went unused! JW must have scored this sequence early and it underwent heavy cuts, or perhaps there was a flashback here that got moved. I've only seen the film once but weren't there multiple flashbacks with Rey's parents abandoning her and their deaths? The music is so tragic, I imagine it underscored the latter originally. Pure speculation: The tragic music in FYC Hard to Get Rid Of (which underscores the flashback to their deaths in the final cut) almost sounds like a condensed revision of this unused tragic music in OST Join Me, so perhaps that flashback originally took place after Ren revealed that Rey is a Palpatine? Then, realising it was information overload in a short period, they moved a condensed version of the flashback to the earlier Force-conversation scene, with JW scoring it twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Than you so much, Jay!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Fixed Quote Wow! That's one of my favourite pieces of music on the whole OST and it went unused! You must have quoted my post pretty fast because I quickly revised the part you quoted right away. Scroll back up see my much more detailed explanation. Quote JW must have scored this sequence early and it underwent heavy cuts, or perhaps there was a flashback here that got moved. I've only seen the film once but weren't there multiple flashbacks with Rey's parents abandoning her and their deaths? The music is so tragic, I imagine it underscored the latter originally. Yes it sounds like it underscores him talking more about her parents for sure. Quote Pure speculation: The tragic music in FYC Hard to Get Rid Of (which underscores the flashback to their deaths in the final cut) almost sounds like a condensed revision of this unused tragic music in OST Join Me, so perhaps that flashback originally took place after Ren revealed that Rey is a Palpatine? Then, realising it was information overload in a short period, they moved a condensed version of the flashback to the earlier Force-conversation scene, with JW scoring it twice? That makes a lot of sense! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DominicCobb 194 Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Jay said: A brief scene where Rey fixes D-0's squeeky wheel is unscored, then a length unreleased cue begins on an ominous note as Rey realizes that she recognizes the ship they took from Pasaana, That's tracked music from TLJ ("Lesson Two"), using the beginning of the cue and then the part that references the Emperor's theme (:28): I think it transitions into something else when 3PO begins talking. Jay, crumbs, The Illustrious Jerry and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Illustrious Jerry 3,356 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 On 12/29/2019 at 10:28 PM, The Illustrious Jerry said: - Possibly some material from TLJ from scenes on Ahch-To, although not explicitly stating any themes related to the island (when Rey, Finn and Poe are in the asteroid field after leaving Pasaana) 10 minutes ago, DominicCobb said: That's tracked music from TLJ ("Lesson Two"), using the beginning of the cue and then the part that references the Emperor's theme (:28): That explains what I had heard, thanks Dominic! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Yeah, the tracked music from Lesson Two was very obvious to me when I first saw the film. I was distracted every time a TFA/TLJ cue was reused, because my brain kept working out where it came from. You have to wonder if JW scored original music for these sections (but JJ just preferred the temp) or if they were covering up last-minute edits that JW didn't have time to re-score? The most bizarre is surely Darth Vader's Death. There's no way that shot was a last-minute pickup, so it wouldn't have gone unscored in the TROS sessions. And I don't see any reason why JW wouldn't have re-arranged and re-recorded that cue if JJ insisted on having it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 So we've officially decided on calling the first theme of "The Rise of Skywalker" suite the Victory Theme? Sounds good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 But what about Victory Celebration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 Unreleased music The brief, non-thematic cue where Pryde realizes Hux was the spy and kills him is unreleased, as is the next cue where Rey talks to Finn on the Falcon. That cue begins with another unreleased new variant of The Emperor's Theme as she tells Finn that it was The Emperor that had her parents killed, though a variant of Kylo Ren's Theme that seems to be tracked in from The Abduction from The Force Awakens plays as Rey tells Finn that no one knows who she is. A brief scene where Kylo talks to The Emperor is scored by Hey! from The Force Awakens, which continues as the Falcon lands on Kef Bir and Jannah is shown tracking them as they land. FYC 11 The Old Death Star 2:14 / OST 04A [0:00-2:21] The Old Death Star 2:21 This cue begins on a wide shot of the Falcon's crashed landing on the surface, panning over to the heroes walking towards a shoreline which is revealed to have Death Star II wreckage in the ocean. A little trumpet fanfare plays as Rey pulls out the Sith Dagger, and The Imperial March plays as she lines it up with the wreckage and figures out the location of the Wayfinder. The film/FYC and OST then divert for the next scene. Both feature a bit of suspense for Jannah and her crew showing up, but then score the conversation she has with our heroes using different themes. The original version on the OST (1:19-2:21) features The Resistance Theme and then Rey's Theme, while the film/FYC version (1:14-end) features Rey's Theme and then Poe's Theme. Unreleased music A quick scene with BB8 and D-0 outside in unscored, as is a brief scene of Poe working on the Falcon and Jannah bringing Finn a part he needs and them beginning to talk. As they realize each other are both First Order deserters, the cue begins, which re-uses Finns Confession from The Force Awakens before transitioning into The Force Theme as Finn talks about how the Force brought him to Rey and Poe and brought him here. FYC 12 Off the Waterfront 1:03 / OST 04C [2:21-end] Off The Waterfront 0:55 Rey sails towards the Death Star II in a stolen skimmer, over incredibly bumpy waters, and Finn and Poe debate whether they should go help right away or after the Falcon is fixed Unreleased music A brief non-thematic unreleased cue scores Rey arriving at the Death Star II and Jannah telling Finn there's another skimmer. Rey climbs up a section of the wreckage, unscored at first, then scored with nice non-thematic but heroic music as she makes the last few jumps and ends up in a hallway. The music then quickly switches to tracked-in Darth Vaders Death from Return of the Jedi and she goes down the hallway and finds herself in the Emperors Throne Room. A door opens on its own (why?), and when Rey goes in she grabs the Wayfinder and then turns around, all as no score plays. Music enters as it is revealed a dark version of herself is there, and they have a brief lightsaber battle to a brief, unreleased, non-thematc cue, ending as Kylo Rens hand grabs the Wayfinder from the floor. The next unreleased cue begins as Ren tells Rey she cannot return to Leia, just like he cannot, and after crushing the Wayfinder in his fist, the music quickly turns into action cue as Rey and Ren begin dueling. Back on Ajan Kloss, Leia's Theme is heard as she is shown contemplating before Maz tells R2 she knows what must be done, and Connix helps her walk away. Back at the Death Star wreckage, Rey and Ren continue to duel. Finn and Jannah have arrived, but Rey force-pushes Finn away from the duel, then continues to fight Ren until a giant wave approaches the piece of wreckage they are on and they have to jump to another piece. They continue to duel on that piece for a while, until she eventually jumps to another piece of wreckage when Ren seems to have an upper hand on her. This lengthy sequence is entirely unscored. FYC 13 Final Saber Duel 1:38 / OST 12A [0:00-1:05] The Final Saber Duel 1:05 This cue begins as Ren approaches Rey on the new wreckage she led him to, where they duel set to some trumpet runs until she seems to finally be realizing she wont win as Kylo Ren's Theme plays during a brief lull in the action. She lunges back at him anyway, and they duel until she ends up on the ground. Just when he begins to land what would be a killing blow, the music quiets down considerably as Leia intervenes and Ren backs off, with brief choir underscoring Leia lying down on her death bed, causing Ren to drop his saber as the cue fades out, giving Rey the chance to grab it and stab Kylo in the stomach with it. The music has completely subsided as Leia dies and Rey feels it through the force. This quiet ending with choir is removed from the OST version and only is available in the FYC version. FYC 14 Healing Wounds 2:49 / OST 12B [1:05-end] Healing Wounds 2:15 The opening of this cue is different between the OST and film/FYC. The OST version (1:05-1:42) starts with high strings and then features some funeral pyre sounding brass. The film/FYC version (0:00-0:31) is mostly just high strings. Either version of this passage covers Rey continuing to process what has happened to Leia, until she looks down at Kylo and sees the wound she made. Film/FYC and OST then are the same, with a tempo change (OST 1:42) as she reaches out for his wound and heals it as The Force Theme plays. She tells Ren she wanted to take his hand ("Ben's hand"), then the music picks up (OST 2:33) as she runs towards Ren's TIE Fighter and takes of fin it, as Finn watches in despair and Poe arrives in the Falcon behind him. Back on Ajan Kloss, Leia's Theme plays as the Resistance gathers around her death bed to say goodbye. Poe, Finn, and Chewie arrive, and some brief female choir plays as D'Ac has to tell Poe that Leia is gone. FYC 15 Advice 1:54 Kylo is shown holding his lightsaber staring at the water (I guess when Poe showed up in the Falcon they chose not to just shoot him down?), and then he hears Han's voice and they begin talking, all with no music. The score begins on Han's line "Kylo Ren is dead, my son is alive", and continues to underscore their discussion about Leia being dead and Kylo knowing what he has to do. The uptick in tempo (1:28) comes when he tosses his lightsaber into the ocean, then turns around and Han has disappeared. DominicCobb, Edmilson, Smaug The Iron and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Jay said: she tells Finn that it was The Emperor that had her parents killed, and then a new unreleased variant of Kylo Ren's Theme plays as Rey tells Finn that no one knows who she is. This is identical to Kylo Ren's theme at 0:45 - 0:58 in The Abduction from TFA. Sounds tracked. 2 hours ago, Jay said: A brief scene where Kylo talks to The Emperor is scored by what I believe is tracked music that I can't place right now, which continues as the Falcon lands on Kef Bir and Jannah is shown tracking them as they land. Indeed, it's tracked from TFA's unreleased cue Hey! Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 Thanks! I feel like every day we find that there's more tracked music in this film! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post filmmusic 1,826 Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 I admire your patience Jay to find and write all this information!! crumbs, Jay and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 I just realized that the film version of I'm The Spy, the cue heard in the OST from 1:33-end of Fleeing from Kimiji, features Luke's Theme as Poe sees Rey is alive in the hangar and says "she's a survivor!"... but it's not like that on the OST version. So either that's tracked in, or an insert, or something JW edited out of the OST version. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 512 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Wait do you mean that We Go Together is tracked in I'm the spy with Luke's Theme in it? Because I think Luke's Theme is from Fleeing from Kimiji. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 I put the wrong track name in my post, I fixed it now. But I also just listened to the OST version closer and can hear a little Luke's Theme but I think it's longer and louder in the film? I dunno, I'll have to check again later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Does the OST have a lot of music that's both in the film and not on the FYC? It seems like there's a lot of unused music and redundancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 5 hours ago, Jay said: I just realized that the film version of I'm The Spy, the cue heard in the OST from 1:33-end of Fleeing from Kimiji, features Luke's Theme as Poe sees Rey is alive in the hangar and says "she's a survivor!"... but it's not like that on the OST version. So either that's tracked in, or an insert, or something JW edited out of the OST version. Doesn't he say that about the Millenium Falcon? Edit: I've found an interesting bit of info on reddit Quote when Kylo was fighting the Knights of Ren at the end and the Williams music that was used for it was not what he [JJ] wanted at all. He seemed to think it was out of place. https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 2 hours ago, Demodex said: Does the OST have a lot of music that's both in the film and not on the FYC? The Main Title cue in Fanfare and Prologue (0:00-1:26) The "Arrival on Pasaana" cue that's tucked into We Go Together (2:33-end) The "I'm The Spy" cue that's tucked into Fleeing From Kijimi (1:33-end) Destiny of a Jedi They Will Come The "Rey's Death" cue that's tucked into Farewell (0:00-0:48) Reunion Finale Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 I went through my 3 posts about what is happening on-screen during all the score cues and corrected a million typos and mistakes, added in the great notes you guys gave me about tracked music, and just generally cleaned it all up, including adding some color coding, which I'm not sure I am fully satisfied with but I probably won't revert now. I somehow completely neglected that Anthem of Evil appears in both To Kijimi and Join Me before, so that is all cleaned up now. Hopefully I can finish the rest of the film tonight, or at least up through when the final battle starts DominicCobb, crumbs, Falstaft and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bennett Boyle 10 Posted January 2, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2020 Was really excited to hear a new recording of the Main Titles Fanfare! I never really liked the opening TFA's version. Just curious, does anyone know why this different version of the Main Title from a TLJ scoring session (video below) was not was not used in the final version of TLJ? 2 hours ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: Doesn't he say that about the Millenium Falcon? Edit: I've found an interesting bit of info on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/saltierthancrait/comments/eisnd8/heres_what_ive_been_told_from_a_source_that/ That last Reddit link is from a subreddit that represents one of the most toxic portions of the Star Wars fanbase. I would take it (especially the part about Disney trying to sabotage Abrams) with a grain of salt. It seems these #ReleaseTheJJCut (or in DC's was #ReleaseTheSnyderCut) campaigns are simply a sign of a modern mindset that everything has to be exactly how you want. No longer can a clumsy movie be made, there has to be a huge conspiracy behind it. The modern mindset doesn't allow these people to just take what we got but rather hold on to false hope that somewhere out there exists a "better" version of the film that was stolen from us. Its all really toxic tbh. Brando, Evanus, Docteur Qui and 5 others 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 We don't know why the Main Title recorded at the TLJ sessions wasn't used on the album, other than perhaps it was just a mistake. There's some older conversation about this here https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28089-the-last-jedi-music-featurette-with-recording-sessions-footage-shown-at-opening-night-fan-event/&do=findComment&comment=1431177 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 9 hours ago, Jay said: The Main Title cue in Fanfare and Prologue (0:00-1:26) The "Arrival on Pasaana" cue that's tucked into We Go Together (2:33-end) The "I'm The Spy" cue that's tucked into Fleeing From Kijimi (1:33-end) Destiny of a Jedi They Will Come The "Rey's Death" cue that's tucked into Farewell (0:00-0:48) Reunion Finale Thanks, Jay. Can't wait for the rest of your posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTenma 116 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 14 hours ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: Doesn't he say that about the Millenium Falcon? Yes, I think so, that's why is underscored with the main theme, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bennett Boyle 10 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 Quick question, I know that almost the entirety of “Speeder Chase” didn’t appear in the film, but does the catchy adventure motif that repeats throughout the mostly unused track appear in the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 6 minutes ago, Bennett Boyle said: Quick question, I know that almost the entirety of “Speeder Chase” didn’t appear in the film, but does the catchy adventure motif that repeats throughout the mostly unused track appear in the film? Just once at the end when they blow up the final speeder. The rest is just tracked music from Falcon Flight and some variations on Rey's Theme in action mode (sounding similar to Rey Runs from TLJ, but probably just tracked from elsewhere in the score). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 I was listening to that IndyCast podcast about the score, and when they played the film version of the speeder chase cue I thought I heard some of the Training Cource cue tracked into it as well, a little bit before the bit tracked in from Falcon Flight https://theindycast.com/the-magic-of-john-williams-47/ Or you can listen to it here crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 On 1/1/2020 at 4:39 PM, Jay said: Unreleased music Source music by JJ Abrams is heard as they first check out the festival, seguing to an unreleased cue as Nyambee approaches Rey and gives her a necklace. Rey's Theme plays as she has to explain that she does not have a family name, which segues to ominous music as Rey and Kylo Ren begin their force conversation. Most of the conversation plays with no score until Kylo Ren's Theme comes in towards the end, and the pace picks up as Rey realizes he grabbed her necklace and will be able to find them. A brief pause in the music occurs when they get trapped by a stormtrooper but are saved by a masked helper, who is revealed to be Lando Calrissian as We Go Together plays. Another unreleased cue covers Lando telling them about the Sith Wayfinder he was tracking with Luke, which starts slowly but picks up when they notice First Order ships approaching, and then Leia's Theme is heard when Lando asks Rey to give Leia his love. After a brief pause, another brief, nonthematic unreleased cue begins as Poe begins to fix a speeder they can use, which leads into: I didn't see it listed here, but the name of this source cue I believe is "Lido Hey" and is Written by Lin-Manuel Miranda and J.J. Abrams Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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