shad79 11 Posted March 3, 2020 Share Posted March 3, 2020 There are first official clips from TROS. For me music in this clips seems to me more 'visible" than in the cinema. Remco 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 On 12/29/2019 at 8:31 AM, Ludwig said: I've noticed a short chord progression come up many times in this score that I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed. What's cool about it is that it often appears at important moments in the film and it even undergoes a transformation from minor into major at the end, so it seems to me something like a "harmonic signature" for the underscore of TROS. The links below are mostly from TROS, but I give one from each of the previous two films as well since it accompanies notable places in those films as well. These include Han's death in TFA and Luke's Exile theme in TLJ, but I don't think the progression is as pervasive in those films as it is in TROS. Also, it appears as a closing tag to the concert arrangement, "The Rise of Skywalker", as if it's Williams' musical goodbye to the saga. Anyway, the progression could be called a minor chord to a minor(add b6). It usually has a melody in minor of scale degrees 5-6, often followed by a drop to scale degree 2 (sometimes 3). Here's where it appears. Thoughts? On 12/29/2019 at 8:31 AM, Ludwig said: From TFA - Han's death: I was listening to TFA the other day and I thought of this sub-topic, and (you may well have noted that) the progression appears in major mode form as the tension mounts before Kylo kills Han, foreshadowing post-kiss Ben but still with the ambiguity of the 2nd degree ending: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 I have listened to this last three days. No words. Thank you. Not Mr. Big and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Apparently digital copies of the film are showing up for those who pre-ordered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Apparently VUDU has early access right now. I just checked and it's now available for purchase, not pre-order anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 That's great news! Looks like it's on most digital platforms now. The page on iTunes says it's arriving on March 14th (so in an hour and 20 minutes) https://itunes.apple.com/us/movie/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker/id1490359713 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 It's already out on iTunes/Apple TV, for me. Not sure if that's because I had pre-ordered it, but I'm able to access it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 I have no idea why they even bothered saying it was coming out on the 17th in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Does that mean the Williams featurette is available for those who pre-ordered? I can't see anything on the Australian stores, so it looks like this hasn't dropped early here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 20 minutes ago, crumbs said: Does that mean the Williams featurette is available for those who pre-ordered? I can't see anything on the Australian stores, so it looks like this hasn't dropped early here. Looks like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelliwisethebrave 54 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 22 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: I have no idea why they even bothered saying it was coming out on the 17th in that case. I think this (plus Frozen II coming out months early on Disney+) is due to the Covid-19 measures - giving people stuff to watch (and buy in TROS's case). Manakin Skywalker and bollemanneke 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 This has a nice rendition of the Anthem of Evil theme: Presumably only the start of a much longer cue which got dialled out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 37 minutes ago, kelliwisethebrave said: I think this (plus Frozen II coming out months early on Disney+) is due to the Covid-19 measures - giving people stuff to watch (and buy in TROS's case). Yeah that's probably it. kelliwisethebrave 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 9 hours ago, crumbs said: This has a nice rendition of the Anthem of Evil theme: damn, did that cut in 1:15 of Rey leaping out of the Throne Room and unto a completely different part of the Death Star’s wreckage was like that in the actual movie?! Because that’s some stupid sh*t right there. Plus, I really hate the whole “is Rey going to go evil?” aspect of the movie. After two films where she has been an unfailingly and quintessentially good person, Abrams and Ridley should have tried a lot harder than what they had in order to sell such an idea. TheUlyssesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 44 minutes ago, Chen G. said: damn, did that cut in 1:15 of Rey leaping out of the Throne Room and unto a completely different part of the Death Star’s wreckage was like that in the actual movie?! Because that’s some stupid sh*t right there. Nah, that's just an edit. The actual film cuts to something else. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chewy 2,388 Posted March 14, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 14, 2020 Since TRoS is available digitally, I've made a few edits using the audio channels to get unreleased material. Unfortunately, most of the cues contain SFX. I used @crumbs menu rip for a section of the training cue and I think it sounds pretty good in full form! Smaug The Iron, Taikomochi, Molly Weasley and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chewy said: Since TRoS is available digitally, I've made a few edits using the audio channels to get unreleased material. Unfortunately, most of the cues contain SFX. I used @crumbs menu rip for a section of the training cue and I think it sounds pretty good in full form! 5.1 or 7.1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,388 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 5.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 I love Transporter, it's pretty much a callback to the original Torn Apart, right? Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Yeah there is another cue too it reminds me of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 The Kylo sticks Han part. Faleel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 11 minutes ago, Holko said: I love Transporter, it's pretty much a callback to the original Torn Apart, right? I picked up on that too, the strings are almost verbatim the same. It could be partially tracked? The spreadsheet does seem to indicate this cue is called Rey's Incredible Hand though, along with noted usage of Kylo's Theme. So maybe just temp track love? Dramatically, the original Torn Apart would be an appropriate temp track there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,346 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 2 minutes ago, crumbs said: I picked up on that too, the strings are almost verbatim the same. It could be partially tracked? That was my thought as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Anything goes when ADDbrams is on board! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 I picked up on lots of tracking not listed in the November spreadsheet, so they were hacking up the film and score right until the death. Plus lots of cues run short in the final film that ran longer in the November cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 1 hour ago, Chewy said: Thanks a lot for sharing, Chewy. I remember watching the movie and loving that part at 0:28. Gave me "My Friend, The Brachiosaurus" vibes. Not Mr. Big and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 512 Posted March 14, 2020 Share Posted March 14, 2020 Someone put Lando's Arrive cue up on Youtube (has SFX) Will and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Wait a minute... Here are the music credits from the film: What happened to Ramiro Belgardt??? I thought JW always worked with him as music editor. UPDATE: Well, I just checked the OST booklet, and Belgardt is credited there! (and no mention of an "Alex Levy") So I guess maybe the film credits were a mistake. Weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Ramiro Belgone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Might be a different music editor working in the sound team, versus Ramiro who handles all the music at the recording sessions (presumably stitching together all the different takes under Williams' direction). But yeah, I figured he did both. Weird. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post luke905 18 Posted March 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2020 I don't know if it has already been pointed out, but now that it can be heard more clearly, in the track "The Training Course" is possible to hear a reference to "Anakin Vs Obi-Wan" from RotS (which is also a reference to "The Clash of the Lightsaber" from TESB), specifically the part that play at the beginning of the duel between Yoda and Sidiuos. Compare this: To this: The Five Tones, Molly Weasley, Chewy and 5 others 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 When I was listening to The Training Course yesterday, that part sounded strangely familiar to my ears, but I figured it was because I had watched TROS enough times to recognize it. Thanks for pointing that out! Molly Weasley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted March 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2020 Indee 11 hours ago, luke905 said: I don't know if it has already been pointed out, but now that it can be heard more clearly, in the track "The Training Course" is possible to hear a reference to "Anakin Vs Obi-Wan" from RotS (which is also a reference to "The Clash of the Lightsaber" from TESB), specifically the part that play at the beginning of the duel between Yoda and Sidiuos. Indeed! It is one of the handful of references to Prequel incidental material in TROS. Sadly, none of these are major themes, but I suppose these nods are better than nothing. Besides the quotation (tracking?) of Home for the Twins during Lando's pep-talk, the Anakin vs. Obi-Wan one is the most "unaltered" of the bunch: etc... Also from ROTS, we get the (quite appropriate) nervous string motif associated with Palpatine's seduction of Anakin when Kylo is on his quest for Exegol early on: From AOTC, there's the well-remarked upon quotation and partial reworking of the Return to Tatooine arpeggios (itself somewhat motivic in AOTC) during Poe & Zorri's conversation: And yet another revival of the "Talk of Podracing" material for Finn & Jannah's convo, which was also used in TFA and an unused cue in TLJ: Slightly less direct, the as Palpatine lays out his plan for Rey to kill him is seemingly modeled on "Palpatine Instructs Anakin" from ROTS, down to the imitation at minor-third. Could have been temp-tracked, or Williams may have arrived at a similar Vaughan-Williams-y style for a similar scene. Either way, the connection is undeniable: compare with There's more than a passing similarity between the middle section of Across the Stars and the ominous low string figure that forms the basis of "The Old Death Star," though this strikes me as being likely more accidental than intentional, though this music was on Williams's mind inasmuch as he was reworking ATS for Anne-Sophie Mutter at the same time as composing TROS: Other marginally prequel-allusive stuff I haven't gotten around to transcribing yet: The choral material for Rey's confrontation with Palpatine that, like "The Last Jedi," seems to be evoking aspects of "Lament" from ROTS, Rey's departure from Keth Bir, which has a ROTS vibe to it, particularly 2m7. The mixed-meter ostinato from Journey to Exegol which contains (totally accidentally and unremarkably) a snippet of ATS A few cadences from Psalm of the Sith which exist in a similar soundworld to Palpatine's Big Pitch And of course the choral outburst on B-min at the end of "Approaching the Throne" which is the most we get of a Duel of the Fates reference, at least in the score as heard. _deleted_, Smeltington, crumbs and 8 others 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 512 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Falstaft said: And yet another revival of the "Talk of Podracing" material for Finn & Jannah's convo, which was also used in TFA and an unused cue in TLJ: What unused cue from TLJ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CGCJ 394 Posted March 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2020 Taken from one of the extras. Manakin Skywalker, rpvee and JibberJabberwocky 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted March 15, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 15, 2020 is that Williams source music? 23 hours ago, Smaug the iron said: Someone put Lando's Arrive cue up on Youtube (has SFX) what an amazing cue Andy, Will and Molly Weasley 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, King Mark said: is that Williams source music? No, it's JJ Abrams & Lin-Manuel Miranda, just like the source music from The Force Awakens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 16, 2020 Author Share Posted March 16, 2020 Have the end credits been altered for the home video release like TFA's were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorizonFX 1 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Jay said: Have the end credits been altered for the home video release like TFA's were? i dont think so, i dont remember hearing anything different. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorizonFX 1 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 @Jay Actually no, apparently after listening to them at the same time, there is a longer pause after the trio theme before it goes to the anthem of evil, then it seems they shortened the anthem of evil theme taking out 2:23 to 3:02. in the imperial march section they shorten it by removing 3:48 to 4:18. They also extended the transition from rey's theme to the TROS Suite just a bit. For TROS suite section of the credits they take out 6:09 to 6:35 and then finally they extend the bombastic ending a bit compared to the official release. so the film end credits is roughly 9:35, while the ost end credits is 10:51 (including the force theme) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 We already knew the film's end credits was shorter than the OST's, I laid it all out here a while back. I was just wondering if the theatrical end credits had been further altered for the home video end credits, like TFA's was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Here's my attempt to very slightly "re-spot" the "Farewell" scene so the big musical climax hits on the view of the Falcon w/ X-wings, rather than being synced to the shot of Poe taking off his helmet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15XaaLpYgbc0wtvc50fFZuHxrQT9Uyxg-/view?usp=sharing This also has the advantage of moving the exciting little figure before the main theme to right when Rey's ship first comes into view (in the actual film, it starts amid the wreckage, which seemed weird to me). I wonder if something like what I posted above could have been JW's original intention. Admittedly, though, the actual film version feels very natural to me now (perhaps that's just from familiarity, to be sure) so now my version, posted above, feels a little weird to me haha, even though originally the film syncing (particularly the big emphasis on Poe taking off his helmet) had felt strange to me. @Jay, @crumbs, or anyone else - any thoughts? Holko and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 It works great, Will! I felt it was weightless in the film and especially didn't like on rewatch how the theme seemed to come as a reaction to Finn's meh line "people are rising up all over the galaxy". Cerebral Cortex and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 I'd love to see how the original ending to They Will Come (with that heroic rendition of the Victory Theme) syncs to the film, before some genius decided to replace it with March of the Resistance from TFA. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 17, 2020 Author Share Posted March 17, 2020 I think I tried when I was working on it, but the scene is so much shorter now than it was when Williams recorded the cue, nothing synced up crumbs, Will and bollemanneke 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Official sheet music finally starting to come out: https://tinyurl.com/rwwfkyv Cerebral Cortex and Pellaeon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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King Mark 3,631 Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 16 hours ago, Will said: Here's my attempt to very slightly "re-spot" the "Farewell" scene so the big musical climax hits on the view of the Falcon w/ X-wings, rather than being synced to the shot of Poe taking off his helmet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15XaaLpYgbc0wtvc50fFZuHxrQT9Uyxg-/view?usp=sharing @Jay, @crumbs, or anyone else - any thoughts? Problem was the mix in the film. The music had no weight to it. Now you use the OST with SFX free clip of course it sounds great Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted March 17, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 17, 2020 16 hours ago, Will said: Here's my attempt to very slightly "re-spot" the "Farewell" scene so the big musical climax hits on the view of the Falcon w/ X-wings, rather than being synced to the shot of Poe taking off his helmet: https://drive.google.com/file/d/15XaaLpYgbc0wtvc50fFZuHxrQT9Uyxg-/view?usp=sharing This also has the advantage of moving the exciting little figure before the main theme to right when Rey's ship first comes into view (in the actual film, it starts amid the wreckage, which seemed weird to me). I wonder if something like what I posted above could have been JW's original intention. Admittedly, though, the actual film version feels very natural to me now (perhaps that's just from familiarity, to be sure) so now my version, posted above, feels a little weird to me haha, even though originally the film syncing (particularly the big emphasis on Poe taking off his helmet) had felt strange to me. @Jay, @crumbs, or anyone else - any thoughts? Nice work! I don't remember exactly how the spotting was in the final film but this version works real nice On 3/14/2020 at 4:26 PM, Smaug the iron said: Someone put Lando's Arrive cue up on Youtube (has SFX) That was cool. Such a great cue and so buried in the final film mix. This really should have been on the OST and we shouldn't even be needing to work on it like this. Will, Cerebral Cortex, Andy and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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