The Rise of Skywalker The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!

[Manakin Skywalker 4,890]

8 minutes ago, Evanus said:

Wow, that pretty much 100% confirms they recorded a new version of Duel of the Fates. I know there was a leak that mentioned it, but I hadn't seen this before. 

 

 

Gimme the complete score already! 

 

Well, and excerpt anyway. It's probably like 10 seconds of it 

[Trent B 337]

@BrotherSound can you list what cues match to the OST and FYC please?

[Evanus 216]

3 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

Well, and excerpt anyway. It's probably like 10 seconds of it 

Considering how much of a chaotic mess the film is, you're probably right.  

 

Do we have any idea which scene it was written for?

[Chen G. 3,943]

14 minutes ago, Evanus said:

Do we have any idea which scene it was written for?

 

I mean, its Sith music so it lends itself to the scenes on Exegol. Probably the choral stuff under Palpatine addressing the Sith loyalists.

[Jay 37,281]

7 hours ago, Trent B said:

@BrotherSound can you list what cues match to the OST and FYC please?

 

Here you go:

 

On 10/12/2019 at 3:11 PM, Jay said:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VWApmUMfiSF9gvXb3LW9QloZO-St-ITFMF-qYaNN0fw

 

Can always check here for this kind of stuff:

 

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/29072-jays-score-information-collection-john-williams-edition/

 

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/29073-jays-score-information-collection-non-williams-edition/

[Trent B 337]

Thanks Jay for the spreadsheet. 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

On 4/8/2023 at 4:29 PM, Trent B said:

@BrotherSound can you list what cues match to the OST and FYC please?

 

I've got the FYC pretty much figured out, but there's still some unknowns in the OST:

 

OST

 

1 Fanfare and Prologue 4:35

0:00-1:26 1M1 Main Title

1:26-2:06 1M22 The Ninth Beginning

2:06-end 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

 

2 Journey to Exegol 2:49

0:00-1:01 1M7 Journey To Hell [?]

1:01-1:42 1M10 Ready To Be A Jedi

1:42-end 1M15 Vader’s Castle

 

3 The Rise of Skywalker 4:18

The Rise of Skywalker

 

4 The Old Death Star 3:17

0:00-0:48 5M10 Landing At ?

0:48-1:20 4M30 It Fits!

1:20-2:21 5M10 Landing At ?

2:21-end 5M12 Off The Waterfront

 

5 The Speeder Chase 3:21

0:00-0:35 3M1 Before the Chase

0:35-3:08 3M3 [untitled]

3:08-end unknown

 

6 Destiny of a Jedi 5:12

0:00-0:22 7M2 Rey Meets Luke

0:22-1:13 6M20 Sabre Toss

1:13-3:01 7M3 Luke's Advice

3:01-end 7M10 Leia's Sabre

 

7 Anthem of Evil 3:24

0:00-1:48 unknown

1:48-2:00 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

2:00-2:48 unknown

2:48-3:07 6M12 Six Twelve

3:07-end unknown

 

8 Fleeing from Kijimi 2:52

0:00-1:38 5M1 Meddling and Poe's Crush

1:38-end 5M7 I'm The Spy

 

9 We Go Together 3:17

0:00-2:33 2M6 The Medal

2:33-end 2M7 Ship Trip

 

10 Join Me 3:43

0:00-0:57 5M8 Geneology

0:57-1:31 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

1:31-2:58 8M4 Psalm of the Sith

2:58-end 5M8 Geneology

 

11 They Will Come 2:50

0:00-1:29 7M4 The Meeting

1:29-end 7M5 March of the Resistance

 

12 The Final Saber Duel 3:58

0:00-1:05 6M7 Stop and Start

1:05-2:54 6M8 Healing Wounds

2:54-end 5M30 Under A Blanket

 

13 Battle of the Resistance 2:51

0:00-1:19 7M12 Seven Twelve

1:19-end 7M12A Horses #2

 

14 Approaching the Throne 4:16

0:00-2:18 7M20 Approaching the Throne

2:18-3:54 7M30 More Action

3:54-4:03 8M4 Psalm of the Sith
4:03-end 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping

 

15 The Force Is With You 3:59

0:00-1:40 7M38 I Am All The Sith

1:40-3:02 7M44 Name That Tune

3:02-end 8M10 Success and Sliding

 

16 Farewell 5:14

0:00-0:48 8M11A Dropping the Sabre

0:48-2:53 8M14 Ben to Rey

2:53-3:05 10M1 Rey and Ren

3:05-end 8M14 Ben to Rey

 

17 Reunion 4:05

9M3 Bows

 

18 A New Home 1:47

9M5Alt Return to Tatooine

 

19 End Credits 10:52

0:00-0:32 8M15 Horn Solo

0:32-end 8M16 End Credits

 

FYC

 

1 Prologue 1:46

0:00-0:08 4M2 Rey's Incredible Hand

0:08-0:36 1M10 Ready To Be A Jedi

0:36-0:56 1M15 Vader's Castle

0:56-1:28 6M13 Rey's Trip to P

1:28-1:38 1M22 The Ninth Beginning

1:38-end 4M3 Chewie's Interrogation

 

2 Falcon Flight 2:22

1M26 Lightspeed Skipping / Spy’s Message

 

3 We Go Together 2:11

2M6 The Medal

 

4 In The Desert 2:27

0:00-0:08 4M1 Rey Senses Ren's Approach

0:08-0:18 5M8A More Maz

0:18-1:57 4M1 Rey Senses Ren’s Approach

1:57-end 4M3 Chewie’s Interrogation

 

5 A Prisoner 1:24

0:00-0:28 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

0:28-end 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk

 

6 To Kijimi 1:38

0:00-0:27 4M5 To the End

0:27-0:48 4M5B Good Ship, Bad Ship

0:48-1:11 2M6 The Medal

1:11-1:24 2M4 The Emperor Lives

1:24-end 1M13 Tell Me What They Are

 

7 Fleeing From Kijimi 1:53

5M1 Meddling and Poe’s Crush

 

8 Hallway Shooting 2:11

5M3 Hallway Shooting

 

9 Hard To Get Rid Of 2:20

0:00-0:25 8M4 Psalm of the Sith

0:25-0:33 5M6 Hard To Get Rid Of

0:33-0:43 8M11 Dropping the Saber

0:43-0:50 8M14 Ben To Rey

0:50-1:29 5M6 Hard To Get Rid Of

1:29-1:39 2M4 The Emperor Lives

1:39-1:52 5M5 Rey Sees Mother

1:52-1:57 5M6 Hard To Get Rid Of

1:57-2:01 4M3 Chewie's Interrogation

2:01-end 5M6 Hard To Get Rid Of

 

10 Join Me 2:22

0:00-0:57 5M8 Geneology

0:57-1:18 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

1:18-1:46 8M4 Psalm of the Sith

1:46-2:00 7M12 Seven Twelve

2:00-end 5M8 Geneology

 

11 The Old Death Star 2:15

0:00-0:43 5M10 Landing at ?

0:43-1:20 4M30 It Fits!

1:20-1:27 3M4 Quicksand!

1:27-1:43 0M1 Children’s School

1:43-end 7M1 Seven One

 

12 Off The Waterfront 1:04

5M12 Off The Waterfront

 

13 Final Saber Duel 1:38

6M7 Stop and Start

 

14 Healing Wounds 2:50

0:00-1:40 6M8 Healing Wounds

1:40-end 5M30 Under A Blanket

 

15 Advice 1:54

7M8 Father Knows Best

 

16 Battle of the Resistance 1:54

0:00-1:19 7M12 Seven Twelve

1:19-1:39 7M12A Horses #2

1:39-end 7M12 Seven Twelve

 

17 Approaching the Throne 4:17

0:00-2:18 7M20 Approaching the Throne

2:18-4:04 7M30 More Action

4:04-end 8M4 Psalm of the Sith

 

18 Parents 1:57

0:00-1:48 7M21 Parents

1:48-end The Last Jedi: 1M9 Revisiting Snoke

 

19 Coming Together 1:45

7M32 Make The Sacrifice

 

20 Seeing Sights 3:17

0:00-1:41 7M38 I Am All The Sith

1:41-end 7M44 Name That Tune

 

21 Rescue 1:11

0:00-0:16 8M10 Success and Sliding

0:15-0:26 8M7 Big Ship Blows Up

0:26-end 8M10 Success and Sliding

 

22 Farewell 4:27

0:00-2:09 8M14 Ben To Rey

2:09-2:21 10M1 Rey and Ren

2:21-end 8M14 Ben To Rey

 

23 A New Home 1:43

9M5Alt Return To Tatooine

[enderdrag64 624]

On 08/08/2023 at 12:55 PM, BrotherSound said:

 

I've got the FYC pretty much figured out, but there's still some unknowns in the OST:

 

OST

 

13 Battle of the Resistance 2:51

0:00-1:19 7M12 Seven Twelve

1:19-end 7M12A Horses #2

 

FYC

 

16 Battle of the Resistance 1:54

0:00-1:19 7M12 Seven Twelve

1:19-1:39 7M12A Horses #2

1:39-end 7M12 Seven Twelve

 

I think this is definitely wrong:

 

The FYC is an extended/edited version of the second cue of the OST track, which would make it almost entirely 7M12A Horses #2

[Giftheck 916]

Jeez, this score is a mess, and it's compounded by not having any leaks, isolated score tracks or sheet music 😅

[Chewy 2,374]

Great discovery of the weekend!

While remembering the Blu-Ray menu gave us the clean version of the "Rey Training" cue which is unreleased, I wanted to see what the DVD menus had since those usually contain additional screens for the "Scene Selection" and "Language/Subtitles".

 

The amazing @crumbs found a complete DVD rip and we were able to find another previously unreleased cue, not featured on the Blu-Ray!!

 

It is the "Meditation" cue, featured in the "Scene Selection" menu:

 

 

 

Another DVD exclusive menu for the language setup comes with the section of "Reunion" that contains Rey & Yoda's Theme, which is on the OST, so no other unreleased music there.

 

This is all new information, right?

[crumbs 14,300]

Amazingly, no less than THREE different cues were written for this one short scene: 1M3 Nothing is Impossible, 1M9 Rey Wakes Up and 1M24 Meditation.

 

The final cut uses a combination of two (1M24 and 1M9).

 

 

The timings in the November 11 spreadsheet seem to match the final cut, so only 18 seconds of this cue ever got used. What a shame... and really makes one wonder how much other gold is sitting on a hard drive in Disney's vault gathering, er, dust.

 

 

1M24 Meditation ultimately scored the shot of Rey meditating, before the film transitions back into 1M9. Who knows if 1M24 originally went longer and covered the rest of the dialogue with Leia, considering two other cues were already recorded to cover that dialogue.

 

As for the earliest version of the cue, 1M3 Nothing Is Impossible? Well, fortuitously, it appears we can hear a snippet of that in the making-of doco!

 

It's wild that such a simple scene could end up with 3 different cues but it seems reel 1 was heavily restructured throughout post-production, constantly moving scenes around. Probably made JW's task all the more difficult, when so much of his Star Wars writing is transitional music between cues.

 

At various points in post-production, this scene followed the Luke and Leia flashback, then Kylo's first meeting with the Emperor, then finally the lightspeed skipping sequence.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

4 hours ago, Chewy said:

The amazing @crumbs found a complete DVD rip and we were able to find another previously unreleased cue, not featured on the Blu-Ray!!

Nice find!

 

I believe this may be the uncut 1M9 Rey Wakes Up. GEMA appears to show that’s the only cue used for this scene in the final cut, and 1M24 Meditation doesn’t actually show up until the next scene with Leia. 1M3 Nothing Is Impossible went completely unused.

[Faleel 5,332]

Itunes wouldn't have any extra screens correct?

[A. A. Ron 1,738]

It shouldn’t as far as I know.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

 

5 hours ago, crumbs said:

The final cut uses a combination of two (1M24 and 1M9).

The November 11th cut does, but the final cut appears to use only 1M9.

 

5 hours ago, crumbs said:

As for the earliest version of the cue, 1M3 Nothing Is Impossible? Well, fortuitously, it appears we can hear a snippet of that in the making-of doco!

 

The sheets leaked for 1M3, and that’s not what’s being recorded there. I believe that’s most likely 1M24 Meditation, which ended up being used only for the second scene with Rey and Leia, which is probably what 1M9 Rey Wakes Up was actually written for, as well as the later 1M13 Tell Me What They Are.

[Faleel 5,332]

BrotherSound:

 

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 269]

7 hours ago, Chewy said:

Great discovery of the weekend!

While remembering the Blu-Ray menu gave us the clean version of the "Rey Training" cue which is unreleased, I wanted to see what the DVD menus had since those usually contain additional screens for the "Scene Selection" and "Language/Subtitles".

 

The amazing @crumbs found a complete DVD rip and we were able to find another previously unreleased cue, not featured on the Blu-Ray!!

 

It is the "Meditation" cue, featured in the "Scene Selection" menu:

 

 

 

Another DVD exclusive menu for the language setup comes with the section of "Reunion" that contains Rey & Yoda's Theme, which is on the OST, so no other unreleased music there.

 

This is all new information, right?

This is such a pretty cue! I need more!

[Falstaft 2,132]

7 hours ago, Chewy said:

Great discovery of the weekend!

 

 

 

What a treat. Only strengthens my opinion that TROS is the best musical entry in the sequel Trilogy. Not just the thematic variants (though those are great too). It's all about the transitions!:

 

*The way the Force theme in Dm is flanked, first by that beautiful dissonant texture that seems to coalesce on a E♭-maj pandiatonic cluster, then a post half-cadential sustain on the ♭II(ma7) chord (also E♭). Both bookending sections have a nice rising line [G3-C4-D4-G4 before, G3-A3-D4-Eb4 after]. Kind of Mountain Motif from CE3K-esque.

 

*The little idea starting at 0:28 in B-major. That quick progression, B to Bdim7 back to B, is a crucial harmonic ingredient in the Friendship Theme that comes a few minutes later.

 

*The interstitial material after Rey's theme gives us, for the first time I think in a long while in Star Wars, that wonderful Waltonian harmonic sensibility. Chords are Bma7/A♯ <=> D♭/G♭ => E♭ma7/B♭ => D♭ma7/B♭ => C/G. There are a few other patches where Williams re-channels Walton in TROS and it's just so satisfying to hear that sound return.

[artguy360 1,843]

8 hours ago, Chewy said:

Great discovery of the weekend!

While remembering the Blu-Ray menu gave us the clean version of the "Rey Training" cue which is unreleased, I wanted to see what the DVD menus had since those usually contain additional screens for the "Scene Selection" and "Language/Subtitles".

 

The amazing @crumbs found a complete DVD rip and we were able to find another previously unreleased cue, not featured on the Blu-Ray!!

 

It is the "Meditation" cue, featured in the "Scene Selection" menu:

 

 

 

Another DVD exclusive menu for the language setup comes with the section of "Reunion" that contains Rey & Yoda's Theme, which is on the OST, so no other unreleased music there.

 

This is all new information, right?

TROS soundtrack album is missing music like this that flows and tells a story. I think including more of these musical moments and stuff like all the redeemed Ben renditions would dramatically improve the album.

[crumbs 14,300]

8 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

The November 11th cut does, but the final cut appears to use only 1M9.

 

That can't be right. The final cut clearly uses a different version of the Force Theme for the shot of Rey floating, than the new version in the clip Chewy shared.

 

Compare 0:00-0:32:

14 hours ago, Chewy said:

 

 

 

...to the film version. The Force Theme is different.

 

The material from 0:34 onwards sounds the same as the final cut though, for the scene between Rey and Leia (albeit heavily cut down).

[Tom 4,633]

How is this for irony?  With the original Star Wars, JW thinks he is scoring a B-movie that might make for nice lazy Sunday afternoon movie.  Then, with the last one, he scores just that movie.  

[enderdrag64 624]

1 hour ago, crumbs said:

 

...to the film version. The Force Theme is different.

 

The material from 0:34 onwards sounds the same as the final cut though, for the scene between Rey and Leia (albeit heavily cut down).

[Jay 37,281]

@Chewy and @crumbs, great teamwork on finding this gem of a cue and bringing it to our attention.

 

@Falstaft, quick work on the musical analysis!

 

@BrotherSound, thanks for trying to make sure we all know which cue is what and where

 

The J-Team in full effect!

[BrotherSound 2,242]

2 hours ago, crumbs said:

That can't be right. The final cut clearly uses a different version of the Force Theme for the shot of Rey floating, than the new version in the clip Chewy shared.

Oh, yes, you’re right. Must be a mistake in GEMA, because it only shows 1M9 Rey Wakes Up before 1M20 Rey’s Training:

 

AMH795: Lightspeed Skipping

AMH856: The Resistance Theme

AMH857: Rey Wakes Up

AMH858: Rey’s Training

AMH859: The Wisdom of Maz

AMH860: Meditation

AMH861: Rey’s Mission

[Jay 37,281]

So where does that leave us.  Which cue(s) score the scene in the film, and which of them is this new menu music from?

[crumbs 14,300]

7 minutes ago, Jay said:

So where does that leave us.  Which cue(s) score the scene in the film, and which of them is this new menu music from?

 

Does this mean we actually have FOUR versions now?

 

The newly discovered version posted by Chewy, the film version (which might be a combination of different versions), the alternate instrumentation version in the making-of documentary, and the completely unheard (but leaked in sheet music) first version, 1M3 Nothing Is Impossible, that went totally unused?

 

I'm starting to remember why deciphering this score was migraine-inducing.

[Jay 37,281]

I thought this clip was just a longer version one of of the 2 cues used (briefly) in the scene

[crumbs 14,300]

The first 30 seconds is different though, which doesn't match the new cue, nor 1M3 (maybe someone with the sheets can describe or mockup that version? @ragoz350?), and there's yet another version in the documentary. So that's 4 versions.

[Jay 37,281]

What a confusing mess this score is...

[enderdrag64 624]

15 minutes ago, crumbs said:

The first 30 seconds is different though, which doesn't match the new cue, nor 1M3 (maybe someone with the sheets can describe or mockup that version? @ragoz350?), and there's yet another version in the documentary. So that's 4 versions.

perhaps the film version force theme is tracked from another cue not written for the scene?

[Not Mr. Big 4,639]

2 hours ago, Tom said:

How is this for irony?  With the original Star Wars, JW thinks he is scoring a B-movie that might make for nice lazy Sunday afternoon movie.  Then, with the last one, he scores just that movie.  

I'd say it's more of a labored Sunday afternoon movie

[crumbs 14,300]

2 hours ago, enderdrag64 said:

perhaps the film version force theme is tracked from another cue not written for the scene?

 

Indeed, that's yet another possibility

[ragoz350 450]

4 hours ago, crumbs said:

The first 30 seconds is different though, which doesn't match the new cue, nor 1M3 (maybe someone with the sheets can describe or mockup that version? @ragoz350?), and there's yet another version in the documentary. So that's 4 versions.

In 1M3, there is no rendition of the Force theme. There is Leia's theme. Someone already did a mockup of this short cue:

 

[crumbs 14,300]

Well that's even more confusing... definitely doesn't sound like it belongs to the shot of Rey meditating, but clearly the ending is meant to segue into 1M4 Through The Jungle.

 

The earliest cut JW scored must have been completely different, or maybe the meditation scene was first scored at the end of 1M2.

[GerateWohl 4,326]

8 hours ago, Tom said:

How is this for irony?  With the original Star Wars, JW thinks he is scoring a B-movie that might make for nice lazy Sunday afternoon movie.

I keep hearing that. On the other hand, this was Williams' first score for a grand symphony orchestra. Would that be a composers approach to scoring a B-movie?

[King Mark 3,625]

Geez I missed all this new mediatation  cue thing

[Jay 37,281]

I mean it was only posted 30 hours ago, what's so weird about just finding it now?

[King Mark 3,625]

 I might have taken longer to read it as I wasn't expecting a new unreleased cue to pop up. 

 

BFG DVD menu has an unreleased track the BluRay doesn't have so I'm surprised we failed to check TROS

[enderdrag64 624]

9 minutes ago, King Mark said:

BFG DVD menu has an unreleased track the BluRay doesn't have so I'm surprised we failed to check TROS

Might be worth listing that in the new thread I made

[A. A. Ron 1,738]

So where are y'all sequencing this new cue in your edits?

[BrotherSound 2,242]

16 minutes ago, A. A. Ron said:

So where are y'all sequencing this new cue in your edits?

 

Depends on if you prefer to sequence it how it was used, or how it was apparently intended: just before Rey Trains for the former, just after for the later.

[Smeltington 1,436]

I love @Chewy and @crumbs! That's a really nice cue. Great find guys!

[King Mark 3,625]

3 hours ago, A. A. Ron said:

So where are y'all sequencing this new cue in your edits?

I'll just put it before the Rey Training cue . I guess it probably needs volume adjustment

[crumbs 14,300]

If there's some really clever music editors out there, they could overlap the Rey Training cue (also available with a clean opening on the Blu-ray menu) with the end of this cue and make a new 3 minute track!

 

Unfortunately the last part of that second cue would need to come from the rear channels, but better than nothing.

[michael_grig 464]

Has someone made a list or chart for all the available music?

[CGCJ 394]

2 hours ago, michael_grig said:

Has someone made a list or chart for all the available music?

Here's @Jay's spreadsheet. I don't know whether that's up to date or not but here's @BrotherSound's breakdown of the OST & FYC releases.

[King Mark 3,625]

On 08/01/2024 at 11:53 PM, crumbs said:

If there's some really clever music editors out there, they could overlap the Rey Training cue (also available with a clean opening on the Blu-ray menu) with the end of this cue and make a new 3 minute track!

 

 

 It works  if you overlap the drumroll that ends the "meditation" cue with  the drum roll that leads into the training cue (cutting 3 seconds of music that begin the Training cue menu rip)

 

Anyways I did that and it now sounds like a Williams assembled album track even if it's not really meant to go there.

 

Keeping the 2 cues separate with the first having a weird ending and the other a fake fade in sounds like you just tossed in 2 Blu Ray menu tracks 

 

I just listened to the OST FYC edit I have and the combined cues fit right in without my ears being alerted that something was wrong.