Manakin Skywalker 4,890 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, TSMefford said: Has anyone posted this brief Raw B-Roll from ScoringSessions yet? Yes, it wasn't originally from ScoringSessions, but was uploaded to a B-Roll YouTube channel back in December. Since then it has already been discussed and analyzed in depth. Will and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said: Yes, it wasn't originally from ScoringSessions, but was uploaded to a B-Roll YouTube channel back in December. Since then it has already been discussed and analyzed in depth. Ah cool. Just came across it looking at ScoringSessions and didn't recall seeing it. Disregard! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 It has a clean ending for the first half of Approaching the Throne but that's about it. Still nice to see Johnny up and about. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remco 685 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 The love between JW and JJ in these videos is unbelievable. Stockholm syndrome? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 Is this version in stereo? The previous YouTube video was in mono (or rather only in the left channel) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Nope, mono (left channel only). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 How hard would it be to duplicate it in the right one and make it a center mono? It's 2020, come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Holko said: How hard would it be to duplicate it in the right one and make it a center mono? It's 2020, come on! Because they need any vocals on the other channel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,890 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 41 minutes ago, The River (Fal) said: Because they need any vocals on the other channel You just combine the right and left channel and voila. Takes 2 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,331 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 Then they are stuck with people talking mixed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,890 Posted May 23, 2020 Share Posted May 23, 2020 9 minutes ago, The River (Fal) said: Then they are stuck with people talking mixed in. Then you just duplicate the left channel and delete the right channel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted May 28, 2020 Share Posted May 28, 2020 It's hard to believe this video is nearly 7 years old now. JW was barely in his 80s! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,300 Posted May 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 29, 2020 On 05/01/2020 at 12:21 PM, lemoncurd said: Well, if ever a video deserved its rightful sequel, I present To The Falcon, Presto! TSMefford, Molly Weasley, Henry Sítrónu and 8 others 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 There should be a Star Wars Christmas Special, like the ones done for Shrek or Kung Fu Panda, and feature the sequel gang on an adventure, with Williams scoring. It would be a gem right there. The Tchaikovsky snowflake music is hilariously great for the Falcon and the Ties. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted May 29, 2020 Author Share Posted May 29, 2020 42 minutes ago, crumbs said: Well, if ever a video deserved its rightful sequel: that was great! Just as good as the original Henry Sítrónu 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TSMefford 1,509 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 1 hour ago, crumbs said: Well, if ever a video deserved its rightful sequel: This is absolutely outstanding lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 12 hours ago, crumbs said: Well, if ever a video deserved its rightful sequel: hahaha, awesome! and thanks, I feel honored. ;-) Actually I tried this version too but wasn't too fond of it. This way around works definitely better with dialogue. ok, next one. This is fun! TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted May 29, 2020 Share Posted May 29, 2020 Not fun. I could easily lived without HA scores and films. Maybe the theme song deserved to survive Andre Previn was right. Why? Disco Stu and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,890 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Molly Weasley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 🙃 Jay and TSMefford 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 Have FLACs of the FYC made the rounds by now? Because, unlike TFA and TLJ, this one is continuing to be elusive... I'm also feeling the need to get some lemon curd later today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,499 Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 The saga continues... Blame these two for setting me off, these just came to me immediately when I woke up today. I definitely could not be bothered to try and include dialogue from deep inside the 5.1 mix somewhere and have the actual music badly bleeding through half the time. Both movies are basically cartoons and one is definitely scored like one so it's a match made in heaven! Now back to looking for my lost medication... The Illustrious Jerry, Smeltington, Ludwig and 6 others 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 14 minutes ago, Holko said: I'm dead TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 RIP Fabulin, sorry Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted May 30, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 30, 2020 5 hours ago, lemoncurd said: 🙃 I'm not clever enough to work around the copyright issues. So here it's on vimeo Jay, Ludwig and TheUlyssesian 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted May 30, 2020 Share Posted May 30, 2020 I was hoping perhaps SABAM might provide some insight into the ordering or duration of cues, but alas, they have one entry for the entire Rise of Skywalker score, with all the individual cue titles given as alternate titles for this same entry, and all in alphabetical order. It appears to be identical to the GEMA cue list (apart from the inexplicable inclusion of ‘Fun With Finn and Rose’, which I don’t believe is even tracked into TROS, and in any case, no other tracked cues are listed here): Spoiler Main Title STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER Alternative Title APPROACHING THE NURSERY Alternative Title BEFORE THE CHASE Alternative Title BEN TO REY Alternative Title BIG SHIP BLOWS UP Alternative Title BOWS Alternative Title CHEWIE'S INTERROGATION Alternative Title CHILDREN'S SCHOOL Alternative Title CLIMBING Alternative Title COCKPIT DIALOG Alternative Title DAISY IN A VEIL Alternative Title DROPPING THE SABRE Alternative Title EMPEROR'S ATTACK Alternative Title FALCON'S LAST TRIP Alternative Title FATHER KNOWS BEST Alternative Title FILIAL FENCING Alternative Title FIXING THE HELMET Alternative Title FUN WITH FINN AND ROSE Alternative Title GENEALOGY Alternative Title GOOD SHIP, BAD SHIP Alternative Title HALLWAY SHOOTING Alternative Title HARD TO GET RID OF Alternative Title HE WON'T REMEMBER Alternative Title HEALING WOUNDS Alternative Title HERO FIGHT Alternative Title HORN SOLO Alternative Title HORSES #2 Alternative Title I AM ALL THE SITH Alternative Title I'M THE SPY Alternative Title IT FITS! Alternative Title KNIGHTS OF REN Alternative Title LANDING AT ? Alternative Title LANDO Alternative Title LEIA LIES DOWN Alternative Title LEIA'S SABRE Alternative Title LIGHTSPEED SKIPPING Alternative Title LUKE'S ADVICE Alternative Title MAKE THE SACRIFICE Alternative Title MEDDLING AND POE'S CRUSH Alternative Title MEDITATION Alternative Title MORE ACTION Alternative Title MORE MAZ Alternative Title NAME THAT TUNE Alternative Title OCHI AND THE DAGGER Alternative Title OFF THE WATERFRONT Alternative Title ON THEIR KNEES Alternative Title PARENTS Alternative Title POE AND GIRLFRIEND Alternative Title PSALM OF THE SITH Alternative Title READY TO BE A JEDI Alternative Title RED EYES Alternative Title REN'S ENTRANCE Alternative Title REY AND REN Alternative Title REY CLIMBS PIPES Alternative Title REY MEETS LUKE Alternative Title REY SEES MOTHER Alternative Title REY SENSES REN'S APPROACH Alternative Title REY WAKES UP Alternative Title REY'S INCREDIBLE HAND Alternative Title REY'S MISSION Alternative Title REY'S TRAINING Alternative Title REY'S TRIP TO P Alternative Title SABRE TOSS Alternative Title SEVEN ONE Alternative Title SEVEN TWELVE Alternative Title SHIP TRIP Alternative Title SHIP, WALK AND TALK Alternative Title SIX TWELVE Alternative Title SPY'S MESSAGE Alternative Title STOP AND START Alternative Title SUCCESS AND SLIDING Alternative Title TELL ME WHAT THEY ARE Alternative Title THE CROWD JOINS IN Alternative Title THE DUNKIRK SHOT Alternative Title THE EMPEROR LIVES Alternative Title THE FEELING Alternative Title THE FORGE Alternative Title THE LAST FIGHT Alternative Title THE MEDAL Alternative Title THE MEETING Alternative Title THE NINTH BEGINNING Alternative Title THE WISDOM OF MAZ Alternative Title THROUGH THE JUNGLE Alternative Title TO THE END Alternative Title TUNNEL MONSTER Alternative Title UNCHARTED TERRITORY Alternative Title UNDER A BLANKET Alternative Title VADER'S CASTLE Alternative Title WAYFINDER INSERT Alternative Title ZUCINI? Alternative Title STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER (WILLIAMS) Alternative Title STAR WARS THE RISE OF SKYWALKER CUES Audiovisual Production Title STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_A_R_T_H 24 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 the source music between 12 and 13 (the festival) seem to be on the bonus bluray , it's the end theme of the making of "legacy of skywalker" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,314 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 5/14/2020 at 9:04 PM, JohnnyD said: Maestro, Lucasfilm and Mike Matessino: please release a remastered, expanded and definitive collection of all nine scores. I don't care how much it would cost to purchase; I'd buy it in a heartbeat. All NINE?!?!? On 5/15/2020 at 8:35 AM, JohnnyD said: LOL! Seriously, though, a set containing all nine scores would probably be 21 to 22 CDs, judging by my calculations: So, an eventual set would probably be between $130 to $170, though I might be wrong on that. At max, it could be $200; that might be an overestimation, though. Either way, it would be worth it and then some! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,890 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 hours ago, D_A_R_T_H said: the source music between 12 and 13 (the festival) seem to be on the bonus bluray , it's the end theme of the making of "legacy of skywalker" Yep we know. I even used it in my edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_A_R_T_H 24 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 l've made an edit too (not a simple regular + FYC version) .... but without this track (i not have it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounty95 557 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 hours ago, D_A_R_T_H said: l've made an edit too (not a simple regular + FYC version) .... but without this track (i not have it) Did you share that edit somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,890 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 5 hours ago, D_A_R_T_H said: l've made an edit too (not a simple regular + FYC version) .... but without this track (i not have it) Same here... but WITH that track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Smaug The Iron 510 Posted June 27, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 27, 2020 One thing I really like in this score is the Force Theme in Reunion at 0.30. Because it is the same version as in Farewell and the Trip from TFA but more complete. Here you have the Force Theme at 0.48 but it is only the first half of the theme, suggesting that they won the battle not the war. Here you have it in TROS at 0.30 but now in complete form because they have won the war. DrTenma, Joni Wiljami, BrotherSound and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 So how many minutes of unreleased music is there finally (not on OST/FYC and that menu cue)? And how many minutes of unreleased music was there in The Last Jedi prior to the iso score (counting only the OST and FYC) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,890 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, King Mark said: So how many minutes of unreleased music is there finally (not on OST/FYC and that menu cue)? Obviously there's a ton of material we aren't aware of, so there's probably like 2 hours of unreleased material altogether (just a random guess, don't quote me on that). In terms of unreleased music from the film itself, about 34 minutes... give or take about a minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 yeah I meant from the film. Jay first said about 45 minutes. so it's only 34 minutes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,890 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, King Mark said: yeah I meant from the film. Jay first said about 45 minutes. so it's only 34 minutes? Yes. I've made my edit already and posted all of the unreleased material here. There's about 34 minutes and 29 seconds, however one of the cues, "Journey to Exegol" is a mix of released and unreleased material, which is why I said "give or take about a minute". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Last Jedi had a lot more before we got the iso score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 Depends how you define unreleased music. If you only mean unreleased music used in the film itself, it's a very different answer to unreleased music that was recorded (as there's a substantial amount recorded and unused, over 100 minutes for TROS). Then there's music on the OST not used in the film. I think the film itself has about ten minutes unscored, ten minutes tracked from previous scores, and lots of repetition of TROS cues tracked multiple times (Falcon Flight). And lots of cues are only used in short fragments (when their complete form was minutes longer). BrotherSound and DrTenma 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattris 416 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 What evidence indicates that over 100 minutes of TROS score was recorded but went unused? That sounds like an entire other score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Mattris said: What evidence indicates that over 100 minutes of TROS score was recorded but went unused? That sounds like an entire other score! The simple fact that Williams said 227 minutes were recorded and only 123 minutes of music is used in the film, of which 10+ minutes is tracked from previous scores, more from TROS itself, plus source music JW had nothing to do with. So we've only heard the ~110 minutes of original music in the film, plus anything on the OST that went unused (like the concert suite and alternates). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted June 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2020 8 hours ago, Mattris said: What evidence indicates that over 100 minutes of TROS score was recorded but went unused? That sounds like an entire other score! It really is! The amount of unheard music is roughly as long as the entire Episode IV score. We actually have exactly total lengths of the music recorded for all 3 sequel trilogy films. The TROS number is directly from JW, during his KUSC interview earlier this year: The Force Awakens 174 minutes (2h 54m) The Last Jedi 183 minutes (3h 3m) The Rise of Skywalker 226 minutes (3h 46m) Sequel Trilogy total: 583 minutes (9h 43m) I’m not sure if the TFA figure includes the JW trailer scores recorded in November 2014 and April 2015. Due to tracking, it’s difficult to get exact numbers, but if the Disney soundtrack gods ever decide to smile upon us, we can expect about 50 minutes more TFA (though bits of some unused cues already turned up in bonus features), 35 minutes of TLJ, and 90 minutes for TROS. This would be a combination of completely unused cues, bits of released cues that were edited out, and alternates. All three ST scores would require 3 CDs each to fit everything! Falstaft, Pando, Fabulin and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 3 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 When JW says there were 226 minutes of music recorded for Episode IX, any idea how he would reach that figure? It can't be all the music recorded on each recording day, there would be way more, right? Does that figure represent just the final (or preferred) takes of each cue, all added up? If they want to go the Beatles route and do super-deluxe versions of each Star Wars album with every cue plus alternate takes, yes I will pay for that. Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,242 Posted June 28, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 28, 2020 2 hours ago, 77 said: When JW says there were 226 minutes of music recorded for Episode IX, any idea how he would reach that figure? It can't be all the music recorded on each recording day, there would be way more, right? Does that figure represent just the final (or preferred) takes of each cue, all added up? Oh, that figure would definitely not be all the raw takes. Very often cues are assembled from more than one take anyway. Sandy DeCrescent (orchestra personnel contractor) mentioned JW usually gets down something like 10-15 minutes of finished music per session, which is actually a lot considering the complexity of a lot of it and allowing for rehearsal time. 2 hours ago, 77 said: If they want to go the Beatles route and do super-deluxe versions of each Star Wars album with every cue plus alternate takes, yes I will pay for that. So, Mike Mattesino mentioned in his recent Legacy of John Williams Podcast interview (shoutout to @TownerFan!) that they often just keep recording between takes at these sessions, capturing comments from the podium, false starts, etc. He mentioned he’d love to include some of that in expanded releases, but Williams is opposed, and there’s complications with the union contracts involved (which also comes up with session video footage and photos). Even those Beatles sets don’t include every last take, just ones that are different enough that they’re basically the equivalent of alternates. enderdrag64, Holko and Mattris 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 On 6/27/2020 at 2:49 PM, Smaug the iron said: One thing I really like in this score is the Force Theme in Reunion at 0.30. Because it is the same version as in Farewell and the Trip from TFA but more complete. Here you have the Force Theme at 0.48 but it is only the first half of the theme, suggesting that they won the battle not the war. Here you have it in TROS at 0.30 but now in complete form because they have won the war. It's called "make the temp copying sound less obvious". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
77 3 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 8 hours ago, BrotherSound said: Oh, that figure would definitely not be all the raw takes. Very often cues are assembled from more than one take anyway. Sandy DeCrescent (orchestra personnel contractor) mentioned JW usually gets down something like 10-15 minutes of finished music per session, which is actually a lot considering the complexity of a lot of it and allowing for rehearsal time. So, Mike Mattesino mentioned in his recent Legacy of John Williams Podcast interview (shoutout to @TownerFan!) that they often just keep recording between takes at these sessions, capturing comments from the podium, false starts, etc. He mentioned he’d love to include some of that in expanded releases, but Williams is opposed, and there’s complications with the union contracts involved (which also comes up with session video footage and photos). Even those Beatles sets don’t include every last take, just ones that are different enough that they’re basically the equivalent of alternates. Thanks for the info, I thought there must be a lot more actual recordings. A lot of it would be bad takes and false starts, but since the Anthology box set way back when had about five different Main Title takes on it - and all good takes to my ear at least - I've wondered how much good stuff they actually have hidden away! Those Main Title takes are all of course the exact same cue but very different and well worth hearing. If there's rights issues involved then that's a problem but maybe a few highlights could be cleared? The Anthology boxset felt like a miracle from above back in the 90s so maybe history can repeat itself! Mattris 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 12 hours ago, 77 said: Those Main Title takes are all of course the exact same cue but very different and well worth hearing. If there's rights issues involved then that's a problem but maybe a few highlights could be cleared? The Anthology boxset felt like a miracle from above back in the 90s so maybe history can repeat itself! The 1997 special edition release is the one that has the raw Main Title takes. Even though it’s all the same cue, there must have instructions from the podium to take out instruments and the pickup beat between takes, as well as some major differences in the mixing. I’m glad it was able to be included then, but I suspect it wouldn’t happen now: it sounds like John Williams is much more involved with approving expanded releases than at that time. Anyone know if he signed off on those releases (or the Anthology box set, for that matter)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,220 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 On 6/28/2020 at 1:20 PM, BrotherSound said: It really is! The amount of unheard music is roughly as long as the entire Episode IV score. We actually have exactly total lengths of the music recorded for all 3 sequel trilogy films. The TROS number is directly from JW, during his KUSC interview earlier this year: The Force Awakens 174 minutes (2h 54m) The Last Jedi 183 minutes (3h 3m) The Rise of Skywalker 226 minutes (3h 46m) Sequel Trilogy total: 583 minutes (9h 43m) I’m not sure if the TFA figure includes the JW trailer scores recorded in November 2014 and April 2015. Due to tracking, it’s difficult to get exact numbers, but if the Disney soundtrack gods ever decide to smile upon us, we can expect about 50 minutes more TFA (though bits of some unused cues already turned up in bonus features), 35 minutes of TLJ, and 90 minutes for TROS. This would be a combination of completely unused cues, bits of released cues that were edited out, and alternates. All three ST scores would require 3 CDs each to fit everything! My calculations were correct then, give or take a minute or two for Episode VII: So for the entire Saga, that would be two CDs for Episode I: The Phantom Menace (two hours and 30 minutes of music), two CDs for Episode II: Attack of the Clones (two hours and ten minutes of music), two CDs for Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (two hours and 15 minutes of music), two CDs for Episode IV: A New Hope (an hour and 32 minutes of music), two CDs for Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back (two hours and five minutes of music), two or three CDs for Episode VI: Return of the Jedi (two hours and 40 minutes of music), three CDs for Episode VII: The Force Awakens (2 hours and 56 minutes of music), three CDs for Episode VIII: The Last Jedi (three hours and three minutes of music) three or four CDs for Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker (three hours and 46 minutes of music). BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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