Jay 37,363 Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 7 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Where can I find the Wayfinder motif? On 12/10/2019 at 3:11 PM, Jay said: 01 Prologue (1:45) 0:43 Wayfinder Theme 17 Approaching the Throne (4:16) 2:07 Wayfinder Theme Quote Also, what is the Heroics theme @Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) mentioned? On 12/10/2019 at 3:11 PM, Jay said: 02 Falcon Flight (2:22) 1:53 Action Ostinato 07 Fleeing from Kimiji (1:53) 0:00 Action Ostinato From the main post of the FYC thread Edmilson and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2019 6 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Where can I find the Wayfinder motif? I just rewatched and feel a little less confident this is a real motif, but here's what I take people are attributing it as: 6 minutes ago, Edmilson said: Also, what is the Heroics theme @Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) mentioned? Was it introduced on TROS or one of the other two movies? It's heard during open Falcon Chase, the moment Lando's face is revealed, and during the Speeder Chase (including the peppy fanfaric version that was almost entirely cut from the film version of the cue). Will, Cerebral Cortex and Edmilson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 If that's the Heroic theme, then what's the Trio theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 26, 2019 Author Share Posted December 26, 2019 The theme that says "Trio Theme" in the theme list https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/30975-the-rise-of-skywalker-for-your-consideration-fyc-album-discussion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 26, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 26, 2019 16 minutes ago, Demodex said: If that's the Heroic theme, then what's the Trio theme? crumbs, Will, Demodex and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Damien F 1,742 Posted December 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2019 I saw the movie for the second time and now with the benefit of a second viewing I really got the impression that the movie was hacked to pieces in the editing process. Taikomochi, Oskar's Music, Bofur01 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 Listened to the score album twice - for the first times - yesterday. (I had previously listened to it up through Anthem of Evil previously, but my CD rip had popping so I had to stop). All in all, I think it was a very satisfying album. I love the TROS concert suite, and really love the choral part of the Anthem of Evil suite. I have no problem with the end credits - it's not nearly as rote as the TPM and AOTC ones that just needle drop the concert arrangements as-is. Those are my low water mark for these things. Overall, I'm very happy with the score and how it's presented here. Honestly, when I left the theater, the score didn't really stick with me - didn't hear a lot of it, wasn't paying extreme attention to the music, etc. The piece that I remembered the most was the needle-drop of Death of Darth Vader, since the movie actually stopped to breathe for a second and mixed the music front and center. After seeing you guys talk about it for a bit, I do remember that there was a new march-like version of the Star Wars theme when the fleet arrived. It seemed a little out of place in context at the time. but that would be neat to have at some point. Oskar's Music and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Miz 139 Posted December 27, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 27, 2019 The bittersweet, fall-of-innocence tone of the Rise of Skywalker suite reflects the fall of innocence of Star Wars itself, its heart now lost to the cash-grab motives and mishandling that have characterised Episodes 7 and 9. Discuss! crumbs, gkgyver, Will and 4 others 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 On 12/24/2019 at 12:27 PM, Erik Woods said: My gift to you this holiday season. Here's my Fantasy End Credit suite of The Rise of Skywalker end title. I truly disliked the Finale cue on the album so my goal was to fix it by trying my best to eliminate as much previously established themes and only use new Rise of Skywalker themes and music in the suite. I hope you enjoy! IMO, this is a much more satisfying finale then what Williams gave to us on the album and in the film. Nice work! I do wish Williams had found a place in one of his film credits suites for that bombastic concert ending from the TFA finale, incorporating Luke's theme into the final boom-crash. Ingenious! Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Story 57 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 On 12/26/2019 at 11:20 AM, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: I just rewatched and feel a little less confident this is a real motif, but here's what I take people are attributing it as: It's a real and distinctive motif onscreen. I hear the minor/#7 arp as part of the motif. And the 13th chords too. A very Sith sound! Thank you again for the amazingly accurate and useful Complete Catalogue ! BrotherSound and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 27, 2019 Author Share Posted December 27, 2019 I just realized the Anthem of Evil theme gets its biggest statement in the film when Kijimi is blown up. I can't believe I didn't notice that before Arpy and BrotherSound 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 4 hours ago, David Story said: Thank you again for the amazingly accurate and useful Complete Catalogue ! Thanks! I think I'm going to retitle this one "Sith Artifact," since it seems to apply equally to the wayfinder, the dagger, and Palpatine's idiotic plan in general. When you ignore the variable melodic line above it and concentrate just on that underlying harmonic prorgession [two minor triads a semitone apart, e.g. Dm<=>Ebm and variants], it becomes more clear this is motivic. Got some other updates in store, including a few new incidental themes in TROS, and a promotion of Kylo Ren's redeemed main theme to full-blown leitmotivic status. Stay tuned. Cerebral Cortex, Bayesian, David Story and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 On 12/26/2019 at 2:07 PM, Jay said: To Kijimi 0:40 Coming Together 0:22 Plus here and here. This kind of sounds related to it? Maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 Yes, that's another instance of it, in fact that's the instance Falstaff uses on his website for it IIRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Oh cool. Falstaff has a website? How did I miss this. Wait, Falstaff is Frank Lehman? I'm way behind. Incredible work! igger6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 https://franklehman.com/starwars/ igger6 and DominicCobb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Lando Arrives is based on the original OST A New Hope End Credit Star Wars theme (2.18-2.57) except played more triumphantly In all the opening End Credits versions of the SW theme, the ANH OST is the only one with the full Star Wars theme A and B sections. Even the "Throne Room" concert version cuts out the first part and the B theme. IMO I always thought Throne Room should have kept it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I didn't really hear anything in the movie not featured on the OST that I would want. I did notice two cues that seemed to be tracked. Finn's Confession seemed to be exactly the same as TFA and Darth Vader's Death was clearly slapped together to underscore the interior Death Star 2. The hyped SW main theme when the civilian fleet arrived to me sounded like a Cincinnati Pops recording or something. There was one bit where Williams unwittingly repeated Return to Tatooine. There's a neat version of Rey's theme where she's training, but it's extremely brief. Other than that, nothing stood out that wasn't on the OST. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I don't think it's a matter of just highlights missing, as others have said it's the story and progression of the themes missing. The fact that we can't hear the heroic version of Kylo's theme on the soundtrack at all is a big whiff. Even just including "Parents" would have increased the quality of the album in a big way (but really they should have had "Parents" "Coming Together" and especially the cue that plays after that). Probably a controversial opinion but I kind of feel like while Anthem of Evil is not a bad piece by any means but ends up feeling like a poor use of space on the disc when so much is missing. But then I was always more of a 'want to hear what was in the film' kind of guy. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Kylo vs. Knights of Ren/Rey vs. Palpatine's guards is a phenomenal cue not on the OST or FYC that is like the little Reylo fanfare in A New Alliance from TLJ but on steroids, with Rey's, Kylo's and the Emperor's themes brought together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 Did Jay put a clyp of that one? 5 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: I didn't really hear anything in the movie not featured on the OST that I would want. . The hyped SW main theme when the civilian fleet arrived to me sounded like a Cincinnati Pops recording or something. You don't listen well. Many people was saying the exact same thing when Revenge of the Sith came out but I noticed many highlights missing right away And your opinion of the Lando cue is like not wanting ESB "Aboard the Executor" because it's "about the same as The Imperial March" . The last half of Lando Returns is burried in SFX and features even more cool variations of the Star Wars B theme .It's what" scherzo for x-wing" should have been Best Case Scenario : Disney realizes their mistake in releasing a 1 c.d. OST and we have a iso score like TLJ or a proper complete release next year Worst Case Scenario : Still checking JWfan in 20 years from my hospital death bed hoping for an expanded release. Gruesome Son of a Bitch, Smeltington and igger6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,315 Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 There's lots of YouTube comments asking about missing music so hopefully Disney join the dots. Tiburon, Cerebral Cortex and David Story 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 5 minutes ago, crumbs said: There's lots of YouTube comments asking about missing music so hopefully Disney join the dots. Disney, they know how to join the dots of this sign: $. Do they expand a lot of their recent movie soundtracks? Smeltington 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 When they do it right away like Avengers . Now that the botched ROS OST is a done deal it could take years or maybe never Why are our hopes any higher than TFA or the Prequels? I love how "optimistic" people here always point out it will happen"sometime in the future" and slam me for being negative all the time. Yeah,right .TLJ doesn't even count because your not supposed to hack the iso score Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 Here's some updated transcriptions and timings for what I take to be the new leitmotifs in TROS. I'm still not quite sure what to title the two Rise of Skywalker themes. I like "Fellowship" better than "Friendship" or "Trio," if only because it applies more broadly than to just Rey/Poe/Finn. If Giacchino hadn't already written a "Hope" theme for RO, I think either could warrant that label too. Incidentally, how many JW themes is it now that revolve around a melodic 5-b6-#4 motif. There's the Knights of Ren, Peter Pettigrew, Chamber of Secrets, Nimbus 2000, Secret of the Scrolls, Count Dooku's little fanfare in AOTC... David Story, TheUlyssesian, crumbs and 6 others 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 How is OST "botched"? It's a good album. Unlucky Bastard, crumbs, Taikomochi and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I understand why someone might think it's botched if you're looking at it from a POV where soundtrack albums are meant to have as close to all the newly composed music for the movie as possible, or alternately, that it's supposed to have a collection of all the film's "big moments" represented. But if you're not looking at it from that POV, I also understand looking at it as a good album. I also consider it a good album on its own, I think the music placed on it is good, the listening of going front to back on it is a very fulfilling, entertaining experience. Not that you'd need support from other people's opinions to validate your own, but if you wanted to, you could probably go through the OST thread when the album first leaked and watch people here come to that same conclusion upon their first or second listen, in real time. Despite the fact there's a lot of missing music from what's in the film (as well as a lot of tracked music and a very weirdly "remixed" version of Darth Vader's Death I'm not looking forward to re-encountering when this hits home video) I think not only is the album still the best presentation of the Sequel Trilogy, but some of his strongest work in a very long time. I'm not AS down on the prospects for an expanded release as others are, but my current hopes are that the response to The Last Jedi's isolated score (the fact there was a response at all was honestly surprising in and of itself) means Disney recognizes what an important feature this might be in selling their big boxset coming in a couple months. Smeltington and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 28, 2019 Author Share Posted December 28, 2019 7 hours ago, Arpy said: Kylo vs. Knights of Ren/Rey vs. Palpatine's guards is a phenomenal cue not on the OST or FYC that is like the little Reylo fanfare in A New Alliance from TLJ but on steroids, with Rey's, Kylo's and the Emperor's themes brought together! 5 hours ago, King Mark said: Did Jay put a clyp of that one? https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/31031-the-rise-of-skywalker-complete-score-discussion-spoilers-allowed/&do=findComment&comment=1678254 Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: How is OST "botched"? It's a good album. It flows very nicely and is very entertaining to listen to. Good work, Williams! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 King Mark is senile in his old age and also claiming no one was interested in the complete score for Episode III. It was actually the reason I finally joined the forum back then because some putz who slapped audio from a bootleg copy of the movie with the OST tracks claimed to have the complete score. All lies. Unlucky Bastard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 4 hours ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: Here's some updated transcriptions and timings for what I take to be the new leitmotifs in TROS. I'm still not quite sure what to title the two Rise of Skywalker themes. I like "Fellowship" better than "Friendship" or "Trio," if only because it applies more broadly than to just Rey/Poe/Finn. If Giacchino hadn't already written a "Hope" theme for RO, I think either could warrant that label too. Incidentally, how many JW themes is it now that revolve around a melodic 5-b6-#4 motif. There's the Knights of Ren, Peter Pettigrew, Chamber of Secrets, Nimbus 2000, Secret of the Scrolls, Count Dooku's little fanfare in AOTC... Thanks for the updated list! But Kylo's redeemed variation is present in "Training Course", really...? I thought its first appearance was in "Parents": the shot of the X-Wing on Exegol, when Kylo moves into frame, before he goes to take on the Knights of Ren(?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I was just thinking that Hope was more fitting than Victory for the 2nd half of TROS theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 1 hour ago, Tydirium said: Thanks for the updated list! But Kylo's redeemed variation is present in "Training Course", really...? I thought its first appearance was in "Parents": the shot of the X-Wing on Exegol, when Kylo moves into frame, before he goes to take on the Knights of Ren(?). Don't take my word for it! 1st Appearance of KR 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Maybe it’s just a cynical marketing ploy to make sure people buy an expanded set in a few years time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 When Rey mentions the Sacred Jedi Texts to show Leia, there's music similar to Chamber of Secrets' Dueling Club, but with The Emperor's theme as counterpoint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 10 hours ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: Here's some updated transcriptions and timings for what I take to be the new leitmotifs in TROS. I'm still not quite sure what to title the two Rise of Skywalker themes. I like "Fellowship" better than "Friendship" or "Trio," if only because it applies more broadly than to just Rey/Poe/Finn. If Giacchino hadn't already written a "Hope" theme for RO, I think either could warrant that label too. Incidentally, how many JW themes is it now that revolve around a melodic 5-b6-#4 motif. There's the Knights of Ren, Peter Pettigrew, Chamber of Secrets, Nimbus 2000, Secret of the Scrolls, Count Dooku's little fanfare in AOTC... I have a question about Rey. If Kylo redeemed is motivic, isn't what you call Ray Variant also motivic and should be promoted to a motif? It is this one - I think this was always intended to be a part of Rey's theme and is not a derivation. It is even in the concert suit below - I think some of us call it Rey's Theme B section and it is very much a part of her theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 57 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: I have a question about Rey. If Kylo redeemed is motivic, isn't what you call Ray Variant also motivic and should be promoted to a motif? It is this one - I think this was always intended to be a part of Rey's theme and is not a derivation. It is even in the concert suit below - I think some of us call it Rey's Theme B section and it is very much a part of her theme. We think very much alike! The latest update to my list also promotes that motif leitmotivic status. It's not in the image I posted above only b/c it's first heard in TFA, not TROS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 7 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: King Mark is senile in his old age and also claiming no one was interested in the complete score for Episode III. It was actually the reason I finally joined the forum back then because some putz who slapped audio from a bootleg copy of the movie with the OST tracks claimed to have the complete score. All lies. I don't even know who you are anymore K.M. Who can't find the name change thread anymore and doesn't remember how to check the name changes in user profiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I'm ETAndElliot4Ever. Don't you read history? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 yeah but you changed your name 2 or 3 times again since the last time I could still check.And Drax and that other guy also changed 2 or 3 times since then too I think you have to right click on a small icon I can't find or see or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 where's that. is that on mobile phones only? I can't find that menu at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 8 minutes ago, King Mark said: where's that. is that on mobile phones only? I can't find that menu at all No. Go to the person's profile, and click on the little symbol next to their username. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Really, I could have stared at that screen for an hour and not see it Gruesome Son of a Bitch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Why would anyone change their name that many times? mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,120 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I've noticed a short chord progression come up many times in this score that I'm wondering if anyone else has noticed. What's cool about it is that it often appears at important moments in the film and it even undergoes a transformation from minor into major at the end, so it seems to me something like a "harmonic signature" for the underscore of TROS. The links below are mostly from TROS, but I give one from each of the previous two films as well since it accompanies notable places in those films as well. These include Han's death in TFA and Luke's Exile theme in TLJ, but I don't think the progression is as pervasive in those films as it is in TROS. Also, it appears as a closing tag to the concert arrangement, "The Rise of Skywalker", as if it's Williams' musical goodbye to the saga. Anyway, the progression could be called a minor chord to a minor(add b6). It usually has a melody in minor of scale degrees 5-6, often followed by a drop to scale degree 2 (sometimes 3). Here's where it appears. Thoughts? Rey's last conversation with Leia: As the friends escape from Kijimi in a ship: After Ren tells Rey she is Palpatine's granddaughter: As Rey decided to jump to the Falcon to escape Ren: In the final saber fight when Rey says "I did want to take your hand... Ben's hand": As Force-ghost Luke catches the saber Rey throws into her burning ship: After being Force-drained by Palpatine, Rey regains consciousness to see him destroying the Resistance fleet: TRANSFORMATION INTO MAJOR - After Rey kisses Ben for Force-reviving her and Ben smiles: From TLJ - Luke's Exile theme: From TFA - Han's death: The Five Tones and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 yeah, maybe it's the "tragic" motif The Five Tones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I really love how the choral use has evolved over the course of this trilogy - TFA - very sparing, only with the low bass voices for Snoke TLJ - Snoke's singing returns + some light choral backing for frozen Leia + short choir moments for select scenes in the finale TROS - choir everywhere crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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