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I'm not going to dig through the thread to see if this has been answered, but the post in the Restored Score thread by BrotherSound got me thinking:

 

If Join Me on the album contains a part of a different cue (Psalm of the Sith according to BrotherSound), just how much of that is that cue, and where does it stop, I wonder? If it's not the ret of the track, what follows it?

 

Also, that section is replaced with music that comes from Battle of the Resistance in the film/FYC but goes back to what's in the OST in the end (with a slightly longer trumpet staccato)

 

And if Anthem of Evil does contain multiple cues, are any unique to it, ALA the opening of Theme for Jurassic Park, or is it made entirely of cues meant for the film?

 

Just thinking out loud here. Not expecting any answers, beyond maybe 'who knows?/won't know for sure unless the sheet music leaks'

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I think some of the answers you seek are found in this post from last month:

 

On 5/6/2021 at 5:36 PM, BrotherSound said:

So, there's still not quite enough information for complete OST and FYC breakdowns, but getting pretty close now:

 

OST Breakdown

 

1 Fanfare and Prologue 4:35

0:00-1:26 1M1 Main Title

1:26-2:06 1M22 The Ninth Beginning

2:06-end 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

 

2 Journey to Exegol 2:49

0:00-1:01 unknown

1:01-1:42 Ready To Be A Jedi

1:42-end 1M15 Vader’s Castle

 

3 The Rise of Skywalker 4:18

concert arrangement, original title unknown

 

4 The Old Death Star 3:17

0:00-0:48 5M10 Landing At ?

0:48-1:20 It Fits!

1:20-2:21 5M10 Landing At ? [continued]

2:21-end 5M12 Off The Waterfront

 

5 The Speeder Chase 3:21

0:00-0:35 3M1 Before the Chase

0:35-3:08 3M3 [untitled speeder chase cue]

3:08-end unknown

 

6 Destiny of a Jedi 5:12

0:00-0:22 7M2 Rey Meets Luke

0:22-1:13 6M20 Sabre Toss

1:13-3:01 7M3 Luke's Advice

3:01-end 7M10 Leia's Sabre

 

7 Anthem of Evil 3:24

0:00-2:53 unknown

2:48-3:07 6M12 Six Twelve

3:07-end unknown

 

8 Fleeing from Kijimi 2:52

0:00-1:38 5M1 Meddling and Poe's Crush

1:38-end 5M7 I'm The Spy

 

9 We Go Together 3:17

0:00-2:33 2M6 The Medal

2:33-end 2M7 Ship Trip

 

10 Join Me 3:43

0:00-1:31 5M8 Genealogy

1:31-2:58 8M4 Psalm of the Sith

2:58-end 5M8 Genealogy [continued]

 

11 They Will Come 2:50

0:00-1:29 7M4 The Meeting

1:29-end 7M5 March of the Resistance

 

12 The Final Saber Duel 3:58

0:00-1:05 6M7 Stop and Start

1:05-2:54 6M8 Healing Wounds

2:54-end 5M30 Under A Blanket

 

13 Battle of the Resistance 2:51

0:00-1:19 7M12 Seven Twelve

1:19-end 7M12A Horses #2

 

14 Approaching the Throne 4:16

0:00-2:18 7M20 Approaching the Throne

2:18-3:54 7M30 More Action

3:54-4:03 7M20 Approaching the Throne [continued]
4:03-end 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping

 

15 The Force Is With You 3:59

0:00-2:10 7M38 I Am All The Sith

2:10-2:28 7M44 Name That Tune

2:28-3:02 7M38 I Am All The Sith [continued]

3:02-end 8M10 Success and Sliding

 

16 Farewell 5:14

0:00-0:48 8M11A Dropping the Sabre

0:48-2:50 8M14 Ben to Rey

2:50-3:07 Rey and Ren

3:07-end 8M14 Ben To Rey [continued]

 

17 Reunion 4:05

9M3 Bows

 

18 A New Home 1:47

9M5Alt Return to Tatooine

 

19 End Credits 10:52

0:00-0:32 8M15 Horn Solo

0:32-end 8M16 End Credits

 

 

FYC Breakdown

 

1 Prologue 1:46

0:00-0:08 4M2 Rey's Incredible Hand

0:08-0:36 Ready To Be A Jedi

0:36-0:56 1M15 Vader's Castle

0:56-1:28 6M13 Rey's Trip to P

1:28-1:38 1M22 The Ninth Beginning

1:38-end Chewie's Interrogation

 

2 Falcon Flight 2:22

0:00-0:31 1M26 Spy's Message

0:31-end 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping

 

3 We Go Together 2:11

2M6 The Medal

 

4 In The Desert 2:27

4M1 Rey Senses Ren's Approach

 

5 A Prisoner 1:24

0:00-0:28 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

0:28-end 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk

 

6 To Kijimi 1:38

0:00-0:27 4M5 To the End

0:27-0:48 4M5B Good Ship, Bad Ship

0:48-1:16 2M6 The Medal

1:16-1:29 2M4 The Emperor Lives

1:29-end 1M13 Tell Me What They Are

 

7 Fleeing From Kijimi 1:53

5M1 Meddling and Poe’s Crush

 

8 Hallway Shooting 2:11

5M3 Hallway Shooting

 

9 Hard To Get Rid Of 2:20

0:00-0:43 5M6 Hard To Get Rid Of

0:43-0:50 8M14 Ben To Rey

0:50-1:57 5M6 Hard To Get Rid Of [continued]

1:57-2:01 Chewie's Interrogation

2:01-end 5M6 Hard To Get Rid Of [continued]

 

10 Join Me 2:22

0:00-1:17 5M8 Genealogy

1:17-1:46 8M4 Psalm of the Sith

1:46-2:00 7M12 Seven Twelve

2:00-end 5M8 Genealogy [continued]

 

11 The Old Death Star 2:15

0:00-0:43 5M10 Landing at ?

0:43-1:20 It Fits!

1:20-1:27 3M4 Quicksand!

1:27-1:43 0M1 Children’s School

1:43-end 7M1 Seven One

 

12 Off The Waterfront 1:04

5M12 Off The Waterfront

 

13 Final Saber Duel 1:38

6M7 Stop and Start

 

14 Healing Wounds 2:50

0:00-1:44 6M8 Healing Wounds

1:44-end 5M30 Under A Blanket

 

15 Advice 1:54

7M8 Father Knows Best

 

16 Battle of the Resistance 1:54

0:00-1:19 7M12 Seven Twelve

1:19-end 7M12A Horses #2

 

17 Approaching the Throne 4:17

0:00-2:18 7M20 Approaching the Throne

2:18-4:04 7M30 More Action

4:04-end 7M20 [continued]

 

18 Parents 1:57

0:00-1:48 7M21 Parents

1:48-end [from The Last Jedi] 1M9 Revisiting Snoke

 

19 Coming Together 1:45

0:00-1:14 7M32 Make The Sacrifice

1:14-end The Crowd Joins In

 

20 Seeing Sights 3:17

0:00-2:20 7M38 I Am All The Sith

2:20-2:36 7M44 Name That Tune

2:36-end 7M38 I Am All The Sith [continued]

 

21 Rescue 1:11

8M10 Success and Sliding

 

22 Farewell 4:27

0:00-2:04 8M14 Ben To Rey

2:04-2:24 Rey and Ren

2:24-end 8M14 Ben To Rey [continued]

 

23 A New Home 1:43

9M5Alt Return To Tatooine

 

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12 hours ago, TSMefford said:

Wasn't sure if this had been shared here before, but I was looking into the work of some session singers and found this little anecdote from Ayana Haviv about her experience working on Rise of Skywalker. Thought I'd share:

 

 

Source

 

EDIT: Also a post about her experience singing on Last Jedi as well:

 

Source


AWESOME!!! A choral version of Luke’s Theme (or she may be referring to The Force Theme?)?!?! THIS ALL MUST BE RELEASED AND HEARD!!!!

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Would the LA Master Chorale be covered by the same fees as the AFM? If so, those would be some awfully expensive cues to release... repaying the daily work rate to all 100 singers in addition to the entire orchestra, yikes!

 

Lucky we got some of the great unreleased vocal cues on the FYC (which cost Disney nothing to include!) because I can't see even Disney forking out that kind of money to release this material.

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Yes, it seems Arpy's brain blew a fuse due to my certain point of view.

 

In order to avoid the feelings of doubt or inadequacy - that one could very well be dead wrong about something - I admit, it is easy to ignore certain facts... at least publicly.

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36 minutes ago, Bounty95 said:

Damn, seeing this thread bumped reminds me of how much I desire to listen to the whole score. I'd kill for an update from Mike lol 


Me, too!

 

Here’s list of just what’s on the OST and FYC for which alternates are known to exist (or are likely to exist):

 

Prologue

Journey to Exegol (2nd half)

Falcon Flight*

To Kijimi

Join Me

The Old Death Star (1st half)

Destiny of a Jedi

Healing Wounds

The Battle of the Resistance

Approaching the Throne

Parents

Coming Together

The Force Is With You*

Farewell*

A New Home

Finale

 

*more than one alternate

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1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:


Me, too!

 

Here’s list of just what’s on the OST and FYC for which alternates are known to exist (or are likely to exist):

 

Prologue

Journey to Exegol (2nd half)

Falcon Flight*

To Kijimi

Join Me

The Old Death Star (1st half)

Destiny of a Jedi

Healing Wounds

The Battle of the Resistance

Approaching the Throne

Parents

Coming Together

The Force Is With You*

Farewell*

A New Home

Finale

 

*more than one alternate

If there were at least proper sheet music leaks, the community could make mockups, but as it looks at the moment, we remain completely in the dark....

 

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18 minutes ago, Clockwork Angel said:

Comparison to what was tracked in ROTS?

 

I believe it's also around 7 minutes (a bit longer if you count the partially re-recorded Duel of the Fates), but in that case the tracking was used for scenes that weren't completed in time to be scored, unlike TROS were the tracked music replaced music written and recorded specifically for the film.

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5 minutes ago, Clockwork Angel said:

Ah, so that was their excus- I mean reason.


Hmm, actually I’m not as sure about reasoning behind the tracking in Episode III. I remember it being specifically mentioned that many of the arena battle scenes were incomplete when Williams was scoring Episode II, so I assumed it was a similar situation for ROTS.

 

Prequel experts: @Manakin Skywalker @Jay happen to know?

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So, if they tracked from episodes 3, 6, 7, and 8, and they rerecorded material from episodes 1 and 2, plus the main title and end credits from 4, does that mean TROS contains music from all 9 films except ESB?

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2 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

Hmm, actually I’m not as sure about reasoning behind the tracking in Episode III. I remember it being specifically mentioned that many of the arena battle scenes were incomplete when Williams was scoring Episode II, so I assumed it was a similar situation for ROTS.

 

Prequel experts: @Manakin Skywalker @Jay happen to know?

 

I'm not sure we have an answer, but I always assumed it was also a case of scenes not being completed; both the beginning of the Obi/Grievous fight and the temple march sequences were almost completely CGI for example. I'm still curious about how much was finished and/or what the plan even was for the Drawing Swords & Good Guys Arrive sections, I would assume at least the second half was (mostly) completed. But then you have scenes like the one directly after (Mace: "A plot to destroy") which also has tracked music. I suppose it's possible there wasn't meant to be music there originally, and George eventually changed his mind. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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11 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

But then you have scenes like the one directly after (Mace: "A plot to destroy") which also has tracked music. I suppose it's possible there wasn't meant to be music there originally, and George eventually changed his mind. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯


It seems like 4M2 was reserved for that scene, though, implying music (or at least tracked music) was planned all along. It even has a title in the GEMA database, “Council Roundtable”.

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3 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:


It seems like 4M2 was reserved for that scene, though, implying music (or at least tracked music) was planned all along. It even has a title in the GEMA database, “Council Roundtable”.

Is it certain that that title doesn't refer to the tracked edit heard in the film? 

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I assume it does, since GEMA has titles for some of the other tracked sections. But there not being a recorded 4M2 is certainly interesting.

 

EDIT: Another thing I thought of, that scene in the film was reshot. And as we know from the I Am The Senate debacle, John must've scored a cut of the film from before the reshoots had taken place. Originally there was a scene earlier in the film between Mace/Yoda/Obi-Wan where some of the dialogue was the same as the "council roundtable" scene. That still doesn't account for why John skipped over 4M2 though, so I'm not sure what's going on there.

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20 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

There seems to be gaps in the cue numbering for all the tracked music:

 

Right, but I mean if it was part of the reshoots then that's interesting that the gap was already there if John scored an older cut of the film. Although I suppose it might not have been a reshoot, but rather just an alternate sequence. I wonder if the Making Of book references this at all.

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2 hours ago, enderdrag64 said:

The Final Chapter ebook covers the last months of the film's production, you can try looking in here to see if there's any relevant info


Ah, I haven’t seen this before! Interestingly, they did watch the march on the Jedi temple scene as part of the spotting, and it seems Williams was planning to write a cue for it at that point:

 

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They then tackle a series of scenes that begins with Anakin leading hundreds of clone troopers

 into the Jedi Temple, then segues into the murder of various Jedi throughout the galaxy. Williams suggests marching sounds and music.

 

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13 hours ago, crumbs said:

Also references to Hyperspace in Falcon Flight and The Clash Of Lightsabers in Rey's Training.

 

Should have remembered the others, but I don't remember these! So there you have it, TROS has music from ALL NINE FILMS! Kind of impressive, in a way.

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1 hour ago, Smeltington said:

 

Should have remembered the others, but I don't remember these! So there you have it, TROS has music from ALL NINE FILMS! Kind of impressive, in a way.

 

The Clash of Lightsabers reference is buried under SFX and we don't have that section of music clean, so understandable it hasn't been widely noticed. It's more of an Easter egg than an outright reprise anyway. 

 

The Hyperspace reference is a bit easier to spot thanks to the FYC.

 

But yeah, on one hand it's fun that all 8 previous scores were referenced... but on the other, I hate that it came at the expense of original music JW composed for the 9th film. 

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19 hours ago, BrotherSound said:


Hmm, actually I’m not as sure about reasoning behind the tracking in Episode III. I remember it being specifically mentioned that many of the arena battle scenes were incomplete when Williams was scoring Episode II, so I assumed it was a similar situation for ROTS.

 

Prequel experts: @Manakin Skywalker @Jay happen to know?

 

I seem to recall that the tracking in ROTS, particularly The Arena and Duel of the Fates, was something that George requested specifically very early on. I remember Williams commenting in an interview something akin to: "I wanted to compose something new, but George wanted to use Duel of the Fates for the duel."

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20 hours ago, enderdrag64 said:

The reshoots took place between August and September of 2004. I believe this was the last footage shot for the film. Williams would not have started writing until months later than that. EDIT: Work began on the score circa mid-late October

 

The Final Chapter ebook covers the last months of the film's production, you can try looking in here to see if there's any relevant info

 

Actually, the last bit of footage for ROTS was shot in January 31, 2005, as the recording sessions were about to begin, but it consisted of a few specific shots only. As you say, all the new scenes were shot before Williams spotted the film. 

 

But yeah, all the tracked music in the prequels was pre-planned and had cue numbers. Many of the scenes were still not completed, but it's hard to know the reasoning behind the tracking of 4m2 in ROTS, or Anakin's post-nightmare scene in AOTC.  In any case, there was no music composed for those scenes. 

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1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:

 

@Falstaft's Star Wars thematic guide has a lengthy list: https://franklehman.com/starwars/

 

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0m1 Children's School
1m1 Main Title
1m2 Filial Fencing
1m3 Nothing is Impossible
1m4 Through The Jungle
1m5 Rey Trains
1m6 Ren's Entrance
1m7 Journey to Hell
1m8 Approaching The Nursery
1m9 Rey Wakes Up
1m10 Ready to Be A Jedi
1m11 Talking to Luke
1m13 Tell Me What They Are
1m14 Falcon’s Last Trip
1m15 Vader’s Castle
1m20 Rey Training
1m22 The Ninth Beginning
1m24 Meditation
1m26 Spy's Message
1m26 (2) Lightspeed Skipping
2m1 Cockpit Dialog
2m2 Fixing The Helmet
2m3 The Wisdom of Maz
2m4 The Emperor Lives
2m6 The Medal
2m7 Ship Trip
2m20 The Forge
2m30 Rey's Mission
2m32 Quicksand
3m0 Lando
3m1 Before The Chase
3m3 [No Title]
3m4 Quicksand!
3m6 Knights of Ren
3m7 Ochi and the Dagger
3m8 Tunnel Monster
4m1 Rey Senses Ren's Approach
4m1C —
4m2 Rey's Incredible Hand
4m3 Chewie’s Interrogation
4m4 Zucini?
4m5 To The End
4m5A Ships in the Night
4m5B Good Ship, Bad Ship
4m6 He Won't Remember
4m7 Rey’s Grief
4m10 Red Eyes
4m11 Poe and Girlfriend
4m12 Ship, Walk and Talk
4m20 Bridge to Rey
4m22 The Feeling
4m30 It Fits!
5m1 Meddling and Poe's Crush
5m3 Hallway Shooting
5m5 Rey Sees Mother
5m6 Hard To Get Rid Of
5m7 I'm The Spy
5m8 Geneology [sic]
5m8A More Maz
5m9 Rey’s Mission
5m10 Landing At?
5m11 Instinct
5m12 Off The Waterfront
5m30 Under a Blanket
6m2 Rey Climbs Pipes
6m2A Climbing
6m4 Daisy In A Veil
6m5 Leia Lies Down
6m7 Stop and Start
6m8 Healing Wounds
6m12 Insert - Six Twelve
6m13 Rey's Trip To Palpatine
6m16 Rey’s Trip to P[alpatine]
6m20 Sabre Toss
6m22 Wayfinder Insert
7m1 Seven One
7m2 Rey Meets Luke
7m3 Luke's Advice
7m4 The Meeting
7m5 March Of The Resistance
7m5A Good Ships
7m6 Uncharted Territory
7m8 Father Knows Best
7m10 Leia's Sabre
7m12 Seven Twelve
7m12A Horses #2
7m20 Approaching The Throne
7m21 Parents
7m28 Seeing Sights
7m30 More Action
7m32 Make The Sacrifice
7m36 Dunkirk [The Dunkirk Shot]
7m38 Seeing the Sights [I Am All The Sith]
7m40 Emperor’s Attack
7m42 Hero Fight
7m44 Name That Tune
8m1 Approaching the Emperor #2
8m3 v1 —
8m4 Psalm of the Sith
8m4C1o —
8m4C2 —
8m4D Chant
8m5A Mixing Themes
8m5 Jumping The Chain
8m5B The Crowd Joins In
8m5B Choir Overdub
8m6 The Last Fight
8m7 Big Ship Blows Up
8m7A Replace Brass
8m8 On Their Knees
8m8C Chorus
8m9 Rey and Palpatine
8m10 Success and Sliding
8m11A Dropping The Sabre
8m14 Ben to Rey
8m15 Horn Solo [v2 To the Ending]
8m16 End Credits
8m17 Duel of the Fates Excerpt
8m40 The Kiss
8m42 Falling Debris
9m3 Bows
9m5ALT Return to Tattooine
9m30 Emperor’s Theme v1
9m31 Emperor’s Theme v2
9m32 Emperor’s Theme v3
9m33 Emperor’s Theme v4
9m34 Emperor’s Theme v5
10m1 Rey and Ren
— Anthem of Evil
— Chant 1
— Chant 2
— The Rise of Skywalker
— [Untitled]
— XM1, XM2, XM4

 

The ordering is confusing for a couple reasons: as the film was shortened in the edit, it was changed from 9 reels to 8 reels (that's why we have 9M3 Bows, which goes before 8M16 End Credits), and a number of scenes were moved around, especially in the first couple reels.

 

Right on thanks for that information much appreciated.

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