The Rise of Skywalker The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!

[Giftheck 916]

I'm not going to dig through the thread to see if this has been answered, but the post in the Restored Score thread by BrotherSound got me thinking:

 

If Join Me on the album contains a part of a different cue (Psalm of the Sith according to BrotherSound), just how much of that is that cue, and where does it stop, I wonder? If it's not the ret of the track, what follows it?

 

Also, that section is replaced with music that comes from Battle of the Resistance in the film/FYC but goes back to what's in the OST in the end (with a slightly longer trumpet staccato)

 

And if Anthem of Evil does contain multiple cues, are any unique to it, ALA the opening of Theme for Jurassic Park, or is it made entirely of cues meant for the film?

 

Just thinking out loud here. Not expecting any answers, beyond maybe 'who knows?/won't know for sure unless the sheet music leaks'

[Jay 37,281]

I think some of the answers you seek are found in this post from last month:

 

On 5/6/2021 at 5:36 PM, BrotherSound said:

So, there's still not quite enough information for complete OST and FYC breakdowns, but getting pretty close now:

 

OST Breakdown

 

1 Fanfare and Prologue 4:35

0:00-1:26 1M1 Main Title

1:26-2:06 1M22 The Ninth Beginning

2:06-end 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

 

2 Journey to Exegol 2:49

0:00-1:01 unknown

1:01-1:42 Ready To Be A Jedi

1:42-end 1M15 Vader’s Castle

 

3 The Rise of Skywalker 4:18

concert arrangement, original title unknown

 

4 The Old Death Star 3:17

0:00-0:48 5M10 Landing At ?

0:48-1:20 It Fits!

1:20-2:21 5M10 Landing At ? [continued]

2:21-end 5M12 Off The Waterfront

 

5 The Speeder Chase 3:21

0:00-0:35 3M1 Before the Chase

0:35-3:08 3M3 [untitled speeder chase cue]

3:08-end unknown

 

6 Destiny of a Jedi 5:12

0:00-0:22 7M2 Rey Meets Luke

0:22-1:13 6M20 Sabre Toss

1:13-3:01 7M3 Luke's Advice

3:01-end 7M10 Leia's Sabre

 

7 Anthem of Evil 3:24

0:00-2:53 unknown

2:48-3:07 6M12 Six Twelve

3:07-end unknown

 

8 Fleeing from Kijimi 2:52

0:00-1:38 5M1 Meddling and Poe's Crush

1:38-end 5M7 I'm The Spy

 

9 We Go Together 3:17

0:00-2:33 2M6 The Medal

2:33-end 2M7 Ship Trip

 

10 Join Me 3:43

0:00-1:31 5M8 Genealogy

1:31-2:58 8M4 Psalm of the Sith

2:58-end 5M8 Genealogy [continued]

 

11 They Will Come 2:50

0:00-1:29 7M4 The Meeting

1:29-end 7M5 March of the Resistance

 

12 The Final Saber Duel 3:58

0:00-1:05 6M7 Stop and Start

1:05-2:54 6M8 Healing Wounds

2:54-end 5M30 Under A Blanket

 

13 Battle of the Resistance 2:51

0:00-1:19 7M12 Seven Twelve

1:19-end 7M12A Horses #2

 

14 Approaching the Throne 4:16

0:00-2:18 7M20 Approaching the Throne

2:18-3:54 7M30 More Action

3:54-4:03 7M20 Approaching the Throne [continued]
4:03-end 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping

 

15 The Force Is With You 3:59

0:00-2:10 7M38 I Am All The Sith

2:10-2:28 7M44 Name That Tune

2:28-3:02 7M38 I Am All The Sith [continued]

3:02-end 8M10 Success and Sliding

 

16 Farewell 5:14

0:00-0:48 8M11A Dropping the Sabre

0:48-2:50 8M14 Ben to Rey

2:50-3:07 Rey and Ren

3:07-end 8M14 Ben To Rey [continued]

 

17 Reunion 4:05

9M3 Bows

 

18 A New Home 1:47

9M5Alt Return to Tatooine

 

19 End Credits 10:52

0:00-0:32 8M15 Horn Solo

0:32-end 8M16 End Credits

 

 

FYC Breakdown

 

1 Prologue 1:46

0:00-0:08 4M2 Rey's Incredible Hand

0:08-0:36 Ready To Be A Jedi

0:36-0:56 1M15 Vader's Castle

0:56-1:28 6M13 Rey's Trip to P

1:28-1:38 1M22 The Ninth Beginning

1:38-end Chewie's Interrogation

 

2 Falcon Flight 2:22

0:00-0:31 1M26 Spy's Message

0:31-end 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping

 

3 We Go Together 2:11

2M6 The Medal

 

4 In The Desert 2:27

4M1 Rey Senses Ren's Approach

 

5 A Prisoner 1:24

0:00-0:28 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

0:28-end 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk

 

6 To Kijimi 1:38

0:00-0:27 4M5 To the End

0:27-0:48 4M5B Good Ship, Bad Ship

0:48-1:16 2M6 The Medal

1:16-1:29 2M4 The Emperor Lives

1:29-end 1M13 Tell Me What They Are

 

7 Fleeing From Kijimi 1:53

5M1 Meddling and Poe’s Crush

 

8 Hallway Shooting 2:11

5M3 Hallway Shooting

 

9 Hard To Get Rid Of 2:20

0:00-0:43 5M6 Hard To Get Rid Of

0:43-0:50 8M14 Ben To Rey

0:50-1:57 5M6 Hard To Get Rid Of [continued]

1:57-2:01 Chewie's Interrogation

2:01-end 5M6 Hard To Get Rid Of [continued]

 

10 Join Me 2:22

0:00-1:17 5M8 Genealogy

1:17-1:46 8M4 Psalm of the Sith

1:46-2:00 7M12 Seven Twelve

2:00-end 5M8 Genealogy [continued]

 

11 The Old Death Star 2:15

0:00-0:43 5M10 Landing at ?

0:43-1:20 It Fits!

1:20-1:27 3M4 Quicksand!

1:27-1:43 0M1 Children’s School

1:43-end 7M1 Seven One

 

12 Off The Waterfront 1:04

5M12 Off The Waterfront

 

13 Final Saber Duel 1:38

6M7 Stop and Start

 

14 Healing Wounds 2:50

0:00-1:44 6M8 Healing Wounds

1:44-end 5M30 Under A Blanket

 

15 Advice 1:54

7M8 Father Knows Best

 

16 Battle of the Resistance 1:54

0:00-1:19 7M12 Seven Twelve

1:19-end 7M12A Horses #2

 

17 Approaching the Throne 4:17

0:00-2:18 7M20 Approaching the Throne

2:18-4:04 7M30 More Action

4:04-end 7M20 [continued]

 

18 Parents 1:57

0:00-1:48 7M21 Parents

1:48-end [from The Last Jedi] 1M9 Revisiting Snoke

 

19 Coming Together 1:45

0:00-1:14 7M32 Make The Sacrifice

1:14-end The Crowd Joins In

 

20 Seeing Sights 3:17

0:00-2:20 7M38 I Am All The Sith

2:20-2:36 7M44 Name That Tune

2:36-end 7M38 I Am All The Sith [continued]

 

21 Rescue 1:11

8M10 Success and Sliding

 

22 Farewell 4:27

0:00-2:04 8M14 Ben To Rey

2:04-2:24 Rey and Ren

2:24-end 8M14 Ben To Rey [continued]

 

23 A New Home 1:43

9M5Alt Return To Tatooine

 

[TSMefford 1,509]

Wasn't sure if this had been shared here before, but I was looking into the work of some session singers and found this little anecdote from Ayana Haviv about her experience working on Rise of Skywalker. Thought I'd share:

 

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Listen for the choir in #RiseofSkywalker and you’ll hear me and all 99 of my colleagues in Los Angeles Master Chorale! We got to sing on a couple cues in The Last Jedi and that was utterly amazing, but this was a whole other level - we had an entire 8-hour day with John Williams, largely a cappella (meaning there was no orchestral accompaniment in our headphones), and you don’t get to work with one of the bona fide musical geniuses of our time every day. We made scary Sith noises, sang Luke’s theme (!!!), and watched the maestro defy his 87 (?!) years with incredible stamina and musicality. As previously, he worked almost completely without click, just watching the movie on the podium in front of him (we couldn’t see the screen because security was tighter than an Israeli airport!) and conducting straight to picture. We had time to rehearse and finesse, not a luxury that we normally get on film sessions, and then we’d do 2-3 takes and we’d be done. At one point we sang together with percussion - again with no click! - which amped up everyone’s excitement. At another point JJ Abrams himself gave us some awesome sound effects to do. He was obviously just as giddy as we were. I have to say that 100 singers - definitely the most I’ve ever experienced on a film call, and a luxury most films can’t afford - really helped make this an extraordinary musical experience. Our conductor Grant Gershon was at our side, re-arranging vocal parts when necessary, translating Williams’s requests into singer language, and otherwise performing his usual Grant magic. At the end of that day, the maestro sent us an *amazing* heartfelt thank-you letter that is definitely going on my studio wall.

 

We got to come back and sing with the orchestra too, which was likely the most people there have ever been crammed into Sony’s scoring stage. On one of the sessions, I was right behind the brass when the singers took a break and the orchestra played the main theme. Tears quite literally came to my eyes and I got goosebumps! I didn’t grow up watching these films, but this music is absolutely iconic and it was truly a career highlight to get to hear it up close like that, with the plastic dividers between choir and orchestra literally shaking from the decibel level. At one point that day, the drama was accentuated by one of our singers fainting dead away right at the end of a cue - I won’t out her here! The room was so packed that maestro didn’t notice When she came to, she was so happy that she’d made it to the end of the cue and nothing had to be re-recorded “because I like living in LA and I wouldn’t want to have to leave”

 

Source

 

EDIT: Also a post about her experience singing on Last Jedi as well:

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It was an incredible session. Everything about it was old school. The choir squeezed into 2 risers at the back of the Sony scoring stage behind a gigantic orchestra, without even any plexiglass dividers - usually these days, the choir is recorded separately so the engineers have better control over the balance between the choir and the orchestra. It was SO thrilling to hear THOSE themes played by THAT brass right in front of me, I get goosebumps just thinking about it! John Williams, who is 80something and looks rather frail off the podium, transformed into someone 30 years younger when he conducted. He was sharp as a tack, hearing tiny details all around the orchestra and beautifully finessing them as we went - obviously I know he was a genius, but it was amazing to watch him work. I would happily have stayed all day to watch him if I had been allowed. We had no headphones because there was no click track to sync the music to the picture - instead, maestro Williams had a screen on his podium and conducted to that. There was no screen behind our heads as usual - possibly to prevent spoilers getting out. We had soooo much luxurious time to rehearse each cue several times and really make it sing before recording. For some of my younger LAMC colleagues, this was their first film session ever!! We barely had time to whisper "that red light means we're recording" before getting started, and later explained how different this session was than the usual. What an amazing first session experience!

 

“I’ve always admired the brilliant artistry of the LA Master Chorale, and I was delighted that they and Maestro Gershon were available to lend their voices to this new Star Wars score,” said Williams. “Los Angeles, and indeed the entire country, can be justifiably proud of this outstanding ensemble.” (faints dead away)

 

This was truly one for the history books. I will never forget it.

 

Source

[ragoz350 450]

I don't think we've heard of a choral version of Luke's theme yet!

[mrbellamy 6,272]

I imagine it's most likely by Luke's theme she meant the Force theme, right? 

[TSMefford 1,509]

13 minutes ago, mrbellamy said:

I imagine it's most likely by Luke's theme she meant the Force theme, right? 

 

Perhaps, yes.

[JohnnyD 1,220]

12 hours ago, TSMefford said:

Wasn't sure if this had been shared here before, but I was looking into the work of some session singers and found this little anecdote from Ayana Haviv about her experience working on Rise of Skywalker. Thought I'd share:

 

 

Source

 

EDIT: Also a post about her experience singing on Last Jedi as well:

 

Source

AWESOME!!! A choral version of Luke’s Theme (or she may be referring to The Force Theme?)?!?! THIS ALL MUST BE RELEASED AND HEARD!!!!

[TownerFan 4,983]

Don't hold on your potatoes for that.

[Bounty95 557]

I find your lack of faith disturbing. 

 

Mike Matessino is a pathway to many releases some consider to be unnatural. 

[Mattris 416]

Regarding the musical tidbits that Ms. Haviv mentioned were recorded, I don't think Mr. Matessino will be need to become involved in order for us to hear them.  

[crumbs 14,300]

Would the LA Master Chorale be covered by the same fees as the AFM? If so, those would be some awfully expensive cues to release... repaying the daily work rate to all 100 singers in addition to the entire orchestra, yikes!

 

Lucky we got some of the great unreleased vocal cues on the FYC (which cost Disney nothing to include!) because I can't see even Disney forking out that kind of money to release this material.

[artguy360 1,843]

16 hours ago, Mattris said:

Regarding the musical tidbits that Ms. Haviv mentioned were recorded, I don't think Mr. Matessino will be need to become involved in order for us to hear them.  

Gonna be used in episode 10?

[blondheim 1,157]

Not going to be, it already was. Episode 10 is already finished.

[Arpy 4,145]

2 hours ago, artguy360 said:

Gonna be used in episode 10?

I've ignored Mattris's posts, and seeing that insightful tidbit you've quoted reconfirmed my decision. 

[Mattris 416]

Yes, it seems Arpy's brain blew a fuse due to my certain point of view.

 

In order to avoid the feelings of doubt or inadequacy - that one could very well be dead wrong about something - I admit, it is easy to ignore certain facts... at least publicly.

[blondheim 1,157]

George Lucas is coming back for 10, guys. James Cameron is involved!

[BrotherSound 2,242]

Fun fact about the ridiculous amount of tracking in this film: not even counting tracking of cues actually recorded for Episode IX, of which there are many cases, there are 20 instances of tracking of cues from 4 other Star Wars films!

 

The Force Awakens (9)

 

1M1A Starry Night

3M26R You’re Han Solo (x2)

4M36R I Ran Into You

5M46R Kylo Stalks Rey

6M50R Han and Leia Reunion

6M56E Ren in Cockpit

7M65B Father And Son

8M77 March of the Resistance

 

The Last Jedi (7)

 

1M9 Revisiting Snoke (x2)

2M18A Holdo’s Secret Plan

4M36 Luke and Rey

5M48 Insert

9M85A Insert - Rey Looks

0M8 Saying Goodbye to the Fathier

 

Revenge of the Sith (3)

 

7M3 The Birth of the Twins (x2)

7M5 Plans for the Twins

 

Return of the Jedi (1)

 

13M2 Vader’s Death

 

Total: 4 films, 17 unique cues, 20 instances

[Jay 37,281]

That's pretty nuts!

 

And how much time does all this add up to?

[BrotherSound 2,242]

19 minutes ago, Jay said:

And how much time does all this add up to?

Roughly 7:40!

[Jay 37,281]

Crazy

[Smeltington 1,436]

WTF! Shameful!

[Bounty95 557]

Damn, seeing this thread bumped reminds me of how much I desire to listen to the whole score. I'd kill for an update from Mike lol 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

36 minutes ago, Bounty95 said:

Damn, seeing this thread bumped reminds me of how much I desire to listen to the whole score. I'd kill for an update from Mike lol 

Me, too!

 

Here’s list of just what’s on the OST and FYC for which alternates are known to exist (or are likely to exist):

 

Prologue

Journey to Exegol (2nd half)

Falcon Flight*

To Kijimi

Join Me

The Old Death Star (1st half)

Destiny of a Jedi

Healing Wounds

The Battle of the Resistance

Approaching the Throne

Parents

Coming Together

The Force Is With You*

Farewell*

A New Home

Finale

 

*more than one alternate

[Faleel 5,333]

2 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

Roughly 7:40!

Comparison to what was tracked in ROTS?

[michael_grig 464]

1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:

Me, too!

 

Here’s list of just what’s on the OST and FYC for which alternates are known to exist (or are likely to exist):

 

Prologue

Journey to Exegol (2nd half)

Falcon Flight*

To Kijimi

Join Me

The Old Death Star (1st half)

Destiny of a Jedi

Healing Wounds

The Battle of the Resistance

Approaching the Throne

Parents

Coming Together

The Force Is With You*

Farewell*

A New Home

Finale

 

*more than one alternate

If there were at least proper sheet music leaks, the community could make mockups, but as it looks at the moment, we remain completely in the dark....

 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

18 minutes ago, Clockwork Angel said:

Comparison to what was tracked in ROTS?

 

I believe it's also around 7 minutes (a bit longer if you count the partially re-recorded Duel of the Fates), but in that case the tracking was used for scenes that weren't completed in time to be scored, unlike TROS were the tracked music replaced music written and recorded specifically for the film.

[Faleel 5,333]

3 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

 

In that case the tracking was used for scenes that weren't completed in time to be scored.

Ah, so that was their excus- I mean reason.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

5 minutes ago, Clockwork Angel said:

Ah, so that was their excus- I mean reason.

Hmm, actually I’m not as sure about reasoning behind the tracking in Episode III. I remember it being specifically mentioned that many of the arena battle scenes were incomplete when Williams was scoring Episode II, so I assumed it was a similar situation for ROTS.

 

Prequel experts: @Manakin Skywalker @Jay happen to know?

[Smeltington 1,436]

So, if they tracked from episodes 3, 6, 7, and 8, and they rerecorded material from episodes 1 and 2, plus the main title and end credits from 4, does that mean TROS contains music from all 9 films except ESB?

[crumbs 14,300]

18 minutes ago, Smeltington said:

So, if they tracked from episodes 3, 6, 7, and 8, and they rerecorded material from episodes 1 and 2, plus the main title and end credits from 4, does that mean TROS contains music from all 9 films except ESB?

 

 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

43 minutes ago, crumbs said:

So, if they tracked from episodes 3, 6, 7, and 8, and they rerecorded material from episodes 1 and 2, plus the main title and end credits from 4, does that mean TROS contains music from all 9 films except ESB?

 

There's also the excerpt of the Imperial March in the end credits.

[crumbs 14,300]

Also references to Hyperspace in Falcon Flight and The Clash Of Lightsabers in Rey's Training.

[Romão 2,274]

I simply cannot respect a filmmaker that treats JW's efforts in this manner.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

2 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

Hmm, actually I’m not as sure about reasoning behind the tracking in Episode III. I remember it being specifically mentioned that many of the arena battle scenes were incomplete when Williams was scoring Episode II, so I assumed it was a similar situation for ROTS.

 

Prequel experts: @Manakin Skywalker @Jay happen to know?

 

I'm not sure we have an answer, but I always assumed it was also a case of scenes not being completed; both the beginning of the Obi/Grievous fight and the temple march sequences were almost completely CGI for example. I'm still curious about how much was finished and/or what the plan even was for the Drawing Swords & Good Guys Arrive sections, I would assume at least the second half was (mostly) completed. But then you have scenes like the one directly after (Mace: "A plot to destroy") which also has tracked music. I suppose it's possible there wasn't meant to be music there originally, and George eventually changed his mind. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[BrotherSound 2,242]

11 minutes ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

But then you have scenes like the one directly after (Mace: "A plot to destroy") which also has tracked music. I suppose it's possible there wasn't meant to be music there originally, and George eventually changed his mind. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It seems like 4M2 was reserved for that scene, though, implying music (or at least tracked music) was planned all along. It even has a title in the GEMA database, “Council Roundtable”.

[enderdrag64 624]

3 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

It seems like 4M2 was reserved for that scene, though, implying music (or at least tracked music) was planned all along. It even has a title in the GEMA database, “Council Roundtable”.

Is it certain that that title doesn't refer to the tracked edit heard in the film? 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

I assume it does, since GEMA has titles for some of the other tracked sections. But there not being a recorded 4M2 is certainly interesting.

 

EDIT: Another thing I thought of, that scene in the film was reshot. And as we know from the I Am The Senate debacle, John must've scored a cut of the film from before the reshoots had taken place. Originally there was a scene earlier in the film between Mace/Yoda/Obi-Wan where some of the dialogue was the same as the "council roundtable" scene. That still doesn't account for why John skipped over 4M2 though, so I'm not sure what's going on there.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

11 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

I assume it does, since GEMA has titles for some of the other tracked sections. But there not being a recorded 4M2 is certainly interesting.

There seems to be gaps in the cue numbering for all the tracked music:

 

1M3 Boys Into Battle

1M4 They're Coming Around 

1M4A "Get 'EM, R-2!"

1M5 The Elevator Scene

1M6 Count Dooku's Entrance

1M7 The Death of Dooku

[1M8] Dive, Dive

2M1 Grievous and the Droids

[2M2] Crash

2M3 Another Happy Landing

2M4 Revisiting Padmé

2M5 Grievous Travels to Palpatine

2M6 Scenes and Dreams

2M7 Be Careful of Your Friend

3M1 Council Meeting

3M2 Hold Me

3M2A Palpatine's TV Set

3M3 Palpatine's Big Pitch

[3M4] Wookies Attack

3M5 Goodbye Old Friend

3M6 Going to Utapau

3M7 Riding the Lizard

3M8 Obi-Wan Faces Droids

4M1X Drawing Swords

4M1A Good Guys Arrive

[4M2] Council Roundtable

4M3 Palpatine's Seduction

4M4 Rolling With Grievous

4M4A Fighting With Grievous

4M5 Dialogue With Mace

4M5A Padmé's Ruminations

4M6 I am the Senate

5M1 Palpatine Instructs Anakin

[5M2] Anakin March

5M3 Lament

5M3A Bail's Escape

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

20 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

There seems to be gaps in the cue numbering for all the tracked music:

 

Right, but I mean if it was part of the reshoots then that's interesting that the gap was already there if John scored an older cut of the film. Although I suppose it might not have been a reshoot, but rather just an alternate sequence. I wonder if the Making Of book references this at all.

[enderdrag64 624]

1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

EDIT: Another thing I thought of, that scene in the film was reshot. And as we know from the I Am The Senate debacle, John must've scored a cut of the film from before the reshoots had taken place. Originally there was a scene earlier in the film between Mace/Yoda/Obi-Wan where some of the dialogue was the same as the "council roundtable" scene. That still doesn't account for why John skipped over 4M2 though, so I'm not sure what's going on there.

The reshoots took place between August and September of 2004. I believe this was the last footage shot for the film. Williams would not have started writing until months later than that. EDIT: Work began on the score circa mid-late October

 

The Final Chapter ebook covers the last months of the film's production, you can try looking in here to see if there's any relevant info

 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

2 hours ago, enderdrag64 said:

The Final Chapter ebook covers the last months of the film's production, you can try looking in here to see if there's any relevant info

Ah, I haven’t seen this before! Interestingly, they did watch the march on the Jedi temple scene as part of the spotting, and it seems Williams was planning to write a cue for it at that point:

 

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They then tackle a series of scenes that begins with Anakin leading hundreds of clone troopers

 into the Jedi Temple, then segues into the murder of various Jedi throughout the galaxy. Williams suggests marching sounds and music.

 

[Smeltington 1,436]

13 hours ago, crumbs said:

Also references to Hyperspace in Falcon Flight and The Clash Of Lightsabers in Rey's Training.

 

Should have remembered the others, but I don't remember these! So there you have it, TROS has music from ALL NINE FILMS! Kind of impressive, in a way.

[crumbs 14,300]

1 hour ago, Smeltington said:

 

Should have remembered the others, but I don't remember these! So there you have it, TROS has music from ALL NINE FILMS! Kind of impressive, in a way.

 

The Clash of Lightsabers reference is buried under SFX and we don't have that section of music clean, so understandable it hasn't been widely noticed. It's more of an Easter egg than an outright reprise anyway. 

 

The Hyperspace reference is a bit easier to spot thanks to the FYC.

 

But yeah, on one hand it's fun that all 8 previous scores were referenced... but on the other, I hate that it came at the expense of original music JW composed for the 9th film. 

[Smeltington 1,436]

Of course it would have been nicer if those references had been new arrangements. As it is, if we ever get the complete score I'll probably be editing out as much rehashed material as possible.

[Muad'Dib 1,800]

19 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

Hmm, actually I’m not as sure about reasoning behind the tracking in Episode III. I remember it being specifically mentioned that many of the arena battle scenes were incomplete when Williams was scoring Episode II, so I assumed it was a similar situation for ROTS.

 

Prequel experts: @Manakin Skywalker @Jay happen to know?

 

I seem to recall that the tracking in ROTS, particularly The Arena and Duel of the Fates, was something that George requested specifically very early on. I remember Williams commenting in an interview something akin to: "I wanted to compose something new, but George wanted to use Duel of the Fates for the duel."

[oierem 151]

20 hours ago, enderdrag64 said:

The reshoots took place between August and September of 2004. I believe this was the last footage shot for the film. Williams would not have started writing until months later than that. EDIT: Work began on the score circa mid-late October

 

The Final Chapter ebook covers the last months of the film's production, you can try looking in here to see if there's any relevant info

 

Actually, the last bit of footage for ROTS was shot in January 31, 2005, as the recording sessions were about to begin, but it consisted of a few specific shots only. As you say, all the new scenes were shot before Williams spotted the film. 

 

But yeah, all the tracked music in the prequels was pre-planned and had cue numbers. Many of the scenes were still not completed, but it's hard to know the reasoning behind the tracking of 4m2 in ROTS, or Anakin's post-nightmare scene in AOTC.  In any case, there was no music composed for those scenes. 

[Trent B 337]

So is there a full complete cue list for the score? Or does anyone know the proper order for the score?

[BrotherSound 2,242]

29 minutes ago, Trent B said:

So is there a full complete cue list for the score? Or does anyone know the proper order for the score?

 

@Falstaft's Star Wars thematic guide has a lengthy list: https://franklehman.com/starwars/

 

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0m1 Children's School
1m1 Main Title
1m2 Filial Fencing
1m3 Nothing is Impossible
1m4 Through The Jungle
1m5 Rey Trains
1m6 Ren's Entrance
1m7 Journey to Hell
1m8 Approaching The Nursery
1m9 Rey Wakes Up
1m10 Ready to Be A Jedi
1m11 Talking to Luke
1m13 Tell Me What They Are
1m14 Falcon’s Last Trip
1m15 Vader’s Castle
1m20 Rey Training
1m22 The Ninth Beginning
1m24 Meditation
1m26 Spy's Message
1m26 (2) Lightspeed Skipping
2m1 Cockpit Dialog
2m2 Fixing The Helmet
2m3 The Wisdom of Maz
2m4 The Emperor Lives
2m6 The Medal
2m7 Ship Trip
2m20 The Forge
2m30 Rey's Mission
2m32 Quicksand
3m0 Lando
3m1 Before The Chase
3m3 [No Title]
3m4 Quicksand!
3m6 Knights of Ren
3m7 Ochi and the Dagger
3m8 Tunnel Monster
4m1 Rey Senses Ren's Approach
4m1C —
4m2 Rey's Incredible Hand
4m3 Chewie’s Interrogation
4m4 Zucini?
4m5 To The End
4m5A Ships in the Night
4m5B Good Ship, Bad Ship
4m6 He Won't Remember
4m7 Rey’s Grief
4m10 Red Eyes
4m11 Poe and Girlfriend
4m12 Ship, Walk and Talk
4m20 Bridge to Rey
4m22 The Feeling
4m30 It Fits!
5m1 Meddling and Poe's Crush
5m3 Hallway Shooting
5m5 Rey Sees Mother
5m6 Hard To Get Rid Of
5m7 I'm The Spy
5m8 Geneology [sic]
5m8A More Maz
5m9 Rey’s Mission
5m10 Landing At?
5m11 Instinct
5m12 Off The Waterfront
5m30 Under a Blanket
6m2 Rey Climbs Pipes
6m2A Climbing
6m4 Daisy In A Veil
6m5 Leia Lies Down
6m7 Stop and Start
6m8 Healing Wounds
6m12 Insert - Six Twelve
6m13 Rey's Trip To Palpatine
6m16 Rey’s Trip to P[alpatine]
6m20 Sabre Toss
6m22 Wayfinder Insert
7m1 Seven One
7m2 Rey Meets Luke
7m3 Luke's Advice
7m4 The Meeting
7m5 March Of The Resistance
7m5A Good Ships
7m6 Uncharted Territory
7m8 Father Knows Best
7m10 Leia's Sabre
7m12 Seven Twelve
7m12A Horses #2
7m20 Approaching The Throne
7m21 Parents
7m28 Seeing Sights
7m30 More Action
7m32 Make The Sacrifice
7m36 Dunkirk [The Dunkirk Shot]
7m38 Seeing the Sights [I Am All The Sith]
7m40 Emperor’s Attack
7m42 Hero Fight
7m44 Name That Tune
8m1 Approaching the Emperor #2
8m3 v1 —
8m4 Psalm of the Sith
8m4C1o —
8m4C2 —
8m4D Chant
8m5A Mixing Themes
8m5 Jumping The Chain
8m5B The Crowd Joins In
8m5B Choir Overdub
8m6 The Last Fight
8m7 Big Ship Blows Up
8m7A Replace Brass
8m8 On Their Knees
8m8C Chorus
8m9 Rey and Palpatine
8m10 Success and Sliding
8m11A Dropping The Sabre
8m14 Ben to Rey
8m15 Horn Solo [v2 To the Ending]
8m16 End Credits
8m17 Duel of the Fates Excerpt
8m40 The Kiss
8m42 Falling Debris
9m3 Bows
9m5ALT Return to Tattooine
9m30 Emperor’s Theme v1
9m31 Emperor’s Theme v2
9m32 Emperor’s Theme v3
9m33 Emperor’s Theme v4
9m34 Emperor’s Theme v5
10m1 Rey and Ren
— Anthem of Evil
— Chant 1
— Chant 2
— The Rise of Skywalker
— [Untitled]
— XM1, XM2, XM4

 

The ordering is confusing for a couple reasons: as the film was shortened in the edit, it was changed from 9 reels to 8 reels (that's why we have 9M3 Bows, which goes before 8M16 End Credits), and a number of scenes were moved around, especially in the first couple reels.

[Trent B 337]

1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:

 

@Falstaft's Star Wars thematic guide has a lengthy list: https://franklehman.com/starwars/

 

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0m1 Children's School
1m1 Main Title
1m2 Filial Fencing
1m3 Nothing is Impossible
1m4 Through The Jungle
1m5 Rey Trains
1m6 Ren's Entrance
1m7 Journey to Hell
1m8 Approaching The Nursery
1m9 Rey Wakes Up
1m10 Ready to Be A Jedi
1m11 Talking to Luke
1m13 Tell Me What They Are
1m14 Falcon’s Last Trip
1m15 Vader’s Castle
1m20 Rey Training
1m22 The Ninth Beginning
1m24 Meditation
1m26 Spy's Message
1m26 (2) Lightspeed Skipping
2m1 Cockpit Dialog
2m2 Fixing The Helmet
2m3 The Wisdom of Maz
2m4 The Emperor Lives
2m6 The Medal
2m7 Ship Trip
2m20 The Forge
2m30 Rey's Mission
2m32 Quicksand
3m0 Lando
3m1 Before The Chase
3m3 [No Title]
3m4 Quicksand!
3m6 Knights of Ren
3m7 Ochi and the Dagger
3m8 Tunnel Monster
4m1 Rey Senses Ren's Approach
4m1C —
4m2 Rey's Incredible Hand
4m3 Chewie’s Interrogation
4m4 Zucini?
4m5 To The End
4m5A Ships in the Night
4m5B Good Ship, Bad Ship
4m6 He Won't Remember
4m7 Rey’s Grief
4m10 Red Eyes
4m11 Poe and Girlfriend
4m12 Ship, Walk and Talk
4m20 Bridge to Rey
4m22 The Feeling
4m30 It Fits!
5m1 Meddling and Poe's Crush
5m3 Hallway Shooting
5m5 Rey Sees Mother
5m6 Hard To Get Rid Of
5m7 I'm The Spy
5m8 Geneology [sic]
5m8A More Maz
5m9 Rey’s Mission
5m10 Landing At?
5m11 Instinct
5m12 Off The Waterfront
5m30 Under a Blanket
6m2 Rey Climbs Pipes
6m2A Climbing
6m4 Daisy In A Veil
6m5 Leia Lies Down
6m7 Stop and Start
6m8 Healing Wounds
6m12 Insert - Six Twelve
6m13 Rey's Trip To Palpatine
6m16 Rey’s Trip to P[alpatine]
6m20 Sabre Toss
6m22 Wayfinder Insert
7m1 Seven One
7m2 Rey Meets Luke
7m3 Luke's Advice
7m4 The Meeting
7m5 March Of The Resistance
7m5A Good Ships
7m6 Uncharted Territory
7m8 Father Knows Best
7m10 Leia's Sabre
7m12 Seven Twelve
7m12A Horses #2
7m20 Approaching The Throne
7m21 Parents
7m28 Seeing Sights
7m30 More Action
7m32 Make The Sacrifice
7m36 Dunkirk [The Dunkirk Shot]
7m38 Seeing the Sights [I Am All The Sith]
7m40 Emperor’s Attack
7m42 Hero Fight
7m44 Name That Tune
8m1 Approaching the Emperor #2
8m3 v1 —
8m4 Psalm of the Sith
8m4C1o —
8m4C2 —
8m4D Chant
8m5A Mixing Themes
8m5 Jumping The Chain
8m5B The Crowd Joins In
8m5B Choir Overdub
8m6 The Last Fight
8m7 Big Ship Blows Up
8m7A Replace Brass
8m8 On Their Knees
8m8C Chorus
8m9 Rey and Palpatine
8m10 Success and Sliding
8m11A Dropping The Sabre
8m14 Ben to Rey
8m15 Horn Solo [v2 To the Ending]
8m16 End Credits
8m17 Duel of the Fates Excerpt
8m40 The Kiss
8m42 Falling Debris
9m3 Bows
9m5ALT Return to Tattooine
9m30 Emperor’s Theme v1
9m31 Emperor’s Theme v2
9m32 Emperor’s Theme v3
9m33 Emperor’s Theme v4
9m34 Emperor’s Theme v5
10m1 Rey and Ren
— Anthem of Evil
— Chant 1
— Chant 2
— The Rise of Skywalker
— [Untitled]
— XM1, XM2, XM4

 

The ordering is confusing for a couple reasons: as the film was shortened in the edit, it was changed from 9 reels to 8 reels (that's why we have 9M3 Bows, which goes before 8M16 End Credits), and a number of scenes were moved around, especially in the first couple reels.

 

Right on thanks for that information much appreciated.

[Evanus 216]

Wow, that pretty much 100% confirms they recorded a new version of Duel of the Fates. I know there was a leak that mentioned it, but I hadn't seen this before. 

 

 

Gimme the complete score already!