GerateWohl 5,409 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Listened to the OST of this score again yesterday. This score is really a mess, just like the movie. Sometimes it seems just to be a long Star Wars medley. The themes are all over the place. Why there.is a few times Yoda's theme? There is no Yoda in this movie. Why is there Luke and Leia theme where there is no Luke and Leia? So many quotes from bits and pieces of the other movies. Why? I hope that when we ever get the complete score this mess will turn into something. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Meredith McKay 7,156 Posted January 6 Popular Post Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, GerateWohl said: I hope that when we ever get the complete score this mess will turn into something. A longer mess? Brando, StarFox, Cameron007 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,409 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 32 minutes ago, Doo_liss said: A longer mess? Probably. But a mess composed by Williams is still precious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,156 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 minutes ago, GerateWohl said: Probably. But a mess composed by Williams is still precious. A beautiful mess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounty95 575 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 A mess with countless (unreleased) highlights that I'd sell a kidney for to hear it in its entirety. Haasch 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 40,626 Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 I think a properly organized album of the complete score would not sound like a mess. You can craft a main program that doesn't have weird edits and repeated music and constant inserts; you can defer more to his original intentions in a main program. And then have all the endless rewrites and such in a robust bonus track section. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 10,835 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Yep, hopefully the same with DoD. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,376 Posted January 6 Popular Post Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, GerateWohl said: Listened to the OST of this score again yesterday. This score is really a mess, just like the movie. Sometimes it seems just to be a long Star Wars medley. The themes are all over the place. Why there.is a few times Yoda's theme? There is no Yoda in this movie. Why is there Luke and Leia theme where there is no Luke and Leia? So many quotes from bits and pieces of the other movies. Why? I hope that when we ever get the complete score this mess will turn into something. I'm gonna disagree a little—I think the score only really gets that way in the last scene before the Tatooine epilogue. There, JW is intentionally running through a bunch of the saga's happy themes, allowing them each to take a bow, as it were. Same for the end credits. Yoda's theme does crop up when Luke raises the X-wing, but that's just because the scene itself is a callback. a good little monkey, Brando, Falstaft and 5 others 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 15,151 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 Funnily enough I revisited this score a few days ago too and found it a lot more interesting than I remembered. That Reunion track is very skippable though (a bit like the Germany 1944 track on the DOD album, mostly redundant). I do like that final minute or so with Rey's Theme and the lovely rendition of the Friendship (?) Theme but all the reused and rearranged OT music does nothing for me once the initial nostalgia hit wears off (a lot like the films themselves). As a standalone listening experience I prefer skipping straight from Farewell into A New Home. Works a treat! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meredith McKay 7,156 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 32 minutes ago, crumbs said: That Reunion track is very skippable though It's the only good track on the OST. The first 50 seconds, is what Ewok/Victory celebration should have been. I HATE that rendition of the Friendship theme, but only because it messes up and doesn't go into the cool repeats statement of the Luke and Leia theme I hear in my head at 3:29 lol Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,953 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 The strings climbing up to the high note in that version of the theme is orgasmic. It's maybe my single favorite moment in the sequel scores. eitam 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 5,409 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 5 hours ago, crumbs said: I do like that final minute or so with Rey's Theme and the lovely rendition of the Friendship (?) Theme but all the reused and rearranged OT music does nothing for me once the initial nostalgia hit wears off (a lot like the films themselves). Yeah, I don't understand why Williams focussed on The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker OSTs somuch on the quotes of the old themes instead of concentrating on the new material. I would have much prefered that. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 15,151 Posted January 7 Popular Post Share Posted January 7 2 hours ago, GerateWohl said: Yeah, I don't understand why Williams focussed on The Last Jedi and The Rise of Skywalker OSTs somuch on the quotes of the old themes instead of concentrating on the new material. I would have much prefered that. Yeah, doubly frustrating when both those scores (especially TROS) have stacks of original setpieces and cues that went totally unreleased in favour of rehashed re-recordings of old material (usually stuff already included on previous OSTs, so there's not even the novelty of getting previously unreleased music with a new recording). The ROTS album is probably the worst offender. The most operatic score of his career yet he included barely 50 minutes of original music on the album. The entire final track is pre-existing material, the main title is ripped from TPM's sessions, plus another 3 minutes of barely-rearranged TPM music. Meanwhile the incredible funeral cue, with its spine-tingling combination of the funeral motif and the Imperial March (effectively the musical culmination of the entire saga) is omitted. Go figure. Mike put it brilliantly in that podcast when he said, "what exactly are you trying to achieve here?" Pieter Boelen, greenturnedblue, enderdrag64 and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando 2,267 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 15 hours ago, crumbs said: Mike put it brilliantly in that podcast when he said, "what exactly are you trying to achieve here?" Which one, the Christmas one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 15,151 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 6 hours ago, Brando said: Which one, the Christmas one? Yeah, when referring to JW's ... 'questionable' OST decisions on some scores. Brando 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAvengerButton 178 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 I don't think this album is nearly the mess that Attack of the Clones' score is. Really, I find all of the prequel albums to be questionable with how they turned out and what Johnny Baby decided to put on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 849 Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Has anyone tried making an edit of the finale tracks that removes the inappropriate copy-pastes of older themes and keeps only the new stuff? On 07/01/2025 at 5:15 AM, crumbs said: a bit like the Germany 1944 track on the DOD album, mostly redundant) I like that track. Probably too much. It's the best action track on the album, because the actual Dial music is really a ton of steps down from Crusade. I'm not sure which album bores me more, TRoS or Dial. Both are fine, I guess, but also WILDLY underwhelming. I really wished I could like them more. At least with Dial tough, I do actually enjoy the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,669 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 23 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said: Has anyone tried making an edit of the finale tracks that removes the inappropriate copy-pastes of older themes and keeps only the new stuff? Yes! I'm very happy with mine. Actually I remember sharing them with you haha. Editing these tracks down def makes them more enjoyable on repeat listens. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 849 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Smeltington said: Yes! I'm very happy with mine. Actually I remember sharing them with you haha. Editing these tracks down def makes them more enjoyable on repeat listens. You did? I completely forgot. So sorry! I've been quite out of the loop when it comes to updating my music collection. Haven't even added the Hook 3-CD version to my iPod yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,669 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 That's ok, that was probably forever ago. And maybe someone else has a different take on it than mine. Either way, I do think editing the quotes down, or removing them completely, is the answer here. There's plenty of good material in those tracks that needs to be salvaged. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,953 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 3 hours ago, Smeltington said: That's ok, that was probably forever ago. And maybe someone else has a different take on it than mine. Either way, I do think editing the quotes down, or removing them completely, is the answer here. There's plenty of good material in those tracks that needs to be salvaged. Could I get a listen? Seems interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,669 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 11 hours ago, artguy360 said: Could I get a listen? Seems interesting. Sent you a PM! artguy360 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,953 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 12 hours ago, Smeltington said: Sent you a PM! Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 849 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 On 10/01/2025 at 5:28 PM, Smeltington said: Sent you a PM! Any chance you could resend it to me too? Maybe this time it'll actually take... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BrotherSound 2,421 Posted January 24 Popular Post Share Posted January 24 Some interesting TROS tidbits from a leaked shot list: https://bsky.app/profile/llcoold3993.bsky.social/post/3lenk2cgl422y It seems the Kylo and Han scene originally took place at the Resistance base aboard the Falcon. And we’ve got confirmation of the rumors that Palpatine was originally transformed into some kind of different form (possibly Matt Smith?). I wonder how much of this was scored by JW, or if it had already been changed by the time he saw a cut. We do know there’s earlier versions of every cue for the climactic Rey/Palpatine confrontation. The fact that Kijimi wasn’t originally destroyed could explain why the destruction of Kijimi in the film uses tracked music (7M6 Uncharted Territory). CGCJ, Manakin Skywalker, Jay and 6 others 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,669 Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 1 hour ago, BrotherSound said: The fact that Kijimi wasn’t originally destroyed could explain why the destruction of Kijimi in the film uses tracked music At least this gives me hope that JJ baby wasn't TRYING to blow up Oma Tres! BrotherSound and Brando 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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