The Rise of Skywalker The Rise of Skywalker - COMPLETE SCORE Discussion - SPOILERS ALLOWED!

[Jay 34,938]

Another fresh unreleased variant of The Emperor's Theme, plus some Kylo Ren theme and Knights of Ren stuff

 

[eitam 352]

7 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

It's the scene where Kylo talks to Han

 

Ah, thank you!

I like this track, as far as "adagio" writing goes it's working better for me than the first part of Torn Apart in TFA.

[King Mark 3,505]

ok as much as i want to listen to these it's too spoilery

[Damien F 1,614]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

That bit is on the FYC...

 

 

Really! I went looking for it after I saw the movie but couldn't find it. I'll have to give it another listen. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. 

1 hour ago, Edmilson said:

Any tracks on the OST/FYC would gained a new appreciation for after watching the movie? For me, tracks like Destiny of a Jedi, Farewell, Advice, Parents, Coming Together and specially Farewell and Reunion sounded much better after watching it.

 

On the other hand, it's a little sad to listen to the action music such as in Falcon Flight and Speeder Chase, the former because it's barely audible on the movie and the second because it was utterly butchered  .

 

 

 

Definitely Parents and Coming Together. They are so important for Kylo and his theme. They really should have been on the OST. 

[Jay 34,938]

4 minutes ago, Damien F said:

Parents and Coming Together. They are so important for Kylo and his theme. They really should have been on the OST. 

 

Indeed!

[BLUMENKOHL 1,067]

So while everyone is saying Rey's relationship to Palpaneverdie is retconned, do we have evidence to the contrary in the form of Rey's theme? I mean...clearly the theme is a happy-sad evolution of Emperor's theme? 

[Cerebral Cortex 3,338]

I tried so hard to like this film. I held out until the very end hoping that something might happen to salvage what a mess this "final" entry was in my eyes, but nothing happened. In what was possibly a product of the film mix, the quality of my theater's speakers, or both, I could hardly hear the score throughout 85% of the film despite my best efforts.  The film ended and the credits rolled and I felt immensely disappointed. I'd spent 2+ hours feeling numb to what was happening and both frustrated and surprised at myself for not feeling more when significant events were occurring with characters I had invested sizable time with. 

But then those end credits swung into that Rise of Skywalker theme and our theater was filled with that old Williams magic. Suddenly I was back to being a little kid again, discovering and in awe of all Williams had to offer for the first time, eagerly trying to get my hands on anything he had written. There is a seriously transportive nature to that theme that almost, to me, seems to perfectly embody the love and appreciation we have for this man and the impact he has had in our lives more than anything. It's more befitting of being representative of Williams saying goodbye to Star Wars and reflecting back on the stupendous nature of his incredible career than a closing theme for the Skywalker saga (as I'm sure others have noted). 

 

For a solid minute, I sat in that mostly empty theater and felt all these intense waves of varying emotions alongside the sinking realization that Williams was here to send us off with one final glorious farewell. Williams was able to conjure up more feelings from me and with more depth in that single minute than the entire film had in 2 hours. As much as I loved the new sequel scores, after the Last Jedi I was content with saying that Williams had said pretty much everything he had to say on this franchise but then this theme comes along and proves me dead wrong. It was like the last piece had finally clicked into place. It feels so deliberate and purposeful to me, almost as if Williams knew back when he was asked if he wanted to score these new films that he had this one last thing to say on them. Or as if he had written this theme in the late 90s/early 2000s and had just forgotten to use it in anything and discovered it stashed away in a drawer somewhere shortly before scoring this film.  

 

The man turns 88 in 2 months and still knows how to make me feel certain emotions better than anyone. I'm speechless and in total awe at how beautiful this theme is. This is a defining theme.

[Bespin 7,868]

We have to say that the first generation SW fans are getting older, they are slower! 

 

Maybe the Skywalker Saga took too many years to conclude.

 

Nobody seems to understand it hehe

[Cerebral Cortex 3,338]

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[Balahkay 626]

Say what you want about Kathleen Kennedy but it must acknowledged that she was probably the main reason why scored the ST. I remember back in 2012 when it was announced more episode movies would be made and so many people thought Williams would never return or was too old. I was doubtful of his return as well but I’m grateful he decided to dew it.

[Tom 4,161]

The final sequence with the New Home cue was the best marriage of music to visuals in a long time. Perhaps it was the lack of dialogue and loud sound effects, but it felt like art.  Rey riding down the sandhill was a nice callback, both visually and musically.  I was happy that the saga ended with such subdued poignancy.  

[Fabulin 3,469]

Did anyone else internally hear The Crack of Doom when there was this visual of the slowly falling Star Destroyer?

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20 minutes ago, Tom said:

The final sequence with the New Home cue was the best marriage of music to visuals in a long time. Perhaps it was the lack of dialogue and loud sound effects, but it felt like art.  Rey riding down the sandhill was a nice callback, both visually and musically.  I was happy that the saga ended with such subdued poignancy.  

The theme rises and sets, like the twin suns of Tatooine. 

[A. A. Ron 1,376]

21 hours ago, Drew said:

Star Wars has the worst fandom at times. They boycott movies because they didn't like one of them. Imagine people boycotting Avengers because one of the MCU movies was a bit left-field.

 

TLJ was significantly more than "a bit" left field. The best way to describe it might be how Cerebral Cortex described TROS:

 

1 hour ago, Cerebral Cortex said:

I tried so hard to like this film. I held out until the very end hoping that something might happen to salvage what a mess this...entry was in my eyes, but nothing happened.

 

12 hours ago, Stefancos said:

[Expanded] Straight away? Or a few years from now? You're already done digesting 77 minutes of new music?

 

Yes, straight away. My interest will be less a few years from now.

[pete 816]

Perhaps answered as I haven't read every page.. Sorry... Was the "Han Solo and the Princess" quote tracked from The Empire Strikes Back? Reminded me of one of the Bespin quotes.

[Balahkay 626]

I think the “Han Solo and the Princess” bit was tracked from TFA. “Peace and Purpose” from TLJ appeared to be tracked as well. 
 

What’s amazing is that Abrams had Williams working on this score since March and he still needed to track music from other films. 

[Demodex 550]

I just watched it. I have not heard any of the OST or FYC. I'll be honest, I didn't notice any new themes or motifs. 

[Cerebral Cortex 3,338]

11 hours ago, Romão said:

The forging of Kylo's saber was longer and had KoR perform almost dance-like ritual. That full scene was the part of 4 min show reel for crew that JJ personally cut.

 

Maybe Anthem of Evil wasn't meant to be a concert arrangement then? Maybe it was meant to be for this entire scene and got cut and Williams decided to leave it on the album? I guess that wouldn't make much sense. I don't know. 

[artguy360 1,787]

Can someone help me out? Between the FYC and the OST, which cues relate to the story of Ben Solo/Kylo Ren most? Right now I have Journey to Exegol, Advice, Parents, and Coming Together. What else am I missing?

[Jay 34,938]

The film version of the Speeder Chase...

I'm glad we got the original version (or concert arrangement, whatever it is) on the OST!

[Bellosh 2,964]

Was Cloud City/Lando's Theme in the film at all?

[Jay 34,938]

No.

[Arpy 4,123]

As mentioned in the spoiler thread for the film, I just got back from seeing the film and boy did Williams' score get buried in the mix, especially in the action sequences. It's such a downer, that in my effort to try and make heads or tails of the new music, I had to split my attention between film and score. It's not simply a theater issue either, as the sound fx are clearly mixed louder! It shines towards the end though and works great. I love how the 'farewell' theme scores the victory of the Resistance as all the ships fly around. 

 

I think it's a great score, but in the film it's hidden and obstructed, on album it's missing another half of the film entirely! So there's no winning either way until a complete release is ever considered. That said, I adore the concert suites on the album and The Speeder Chase that was mercilessly cut from the film!

 

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1 hour ago, artguy360 said:

Can someone help me out? Between the FYC and the OST, which cues relate to the story of Ben Solo/Kylo Ren most? Right now I have Journey to Exegol, Advice, Parents, and Coming Together. What else am I missing?

Add Farewell to your list. 

[Jay 34,938]

More unreleased Rey's Theme and Force Theme

 

[ImaginariumStudios Music 0]

Is the music from the Emperor's reveal at the beginning anywhere on the OST or FYC?

[Manakin Skywalker 4,626]

I noticed that the Knights of Ren had a short reoccurring motif whenever they appeared.

[Jay 34,938]

Here it is!

[artguy360 1,787]

28 minutes ago, A Ghost From Highwood said:

Add Farewell to your list. 

Thanks. I decided to go with:

1. Prologue
2. Journey to Exegol
3. Hard to Get Rid Of (though I'm not sure how I feel about this one)
4. Join Me
5. The Old Death Star
6. The Final Saber Duel
7. Advice
8. Approaching the Throne
9. Parents
10. Coming Together
11. The Force is with You
12. Farewell

This is kind of an experiment to see if any arrangement of tracks can musically tell the story of Kylo Ren and still be a good listening experience. I wish we had more of the big statements of Kylo Ren's Theme between the FYC and OST.

[Romão 2,241]

22 minutes ago, Jay said:

Here it is!

 

That fanfare in the prologue is reminiscent of this motif, is it not?

[Jay 34,938]

I'd say so.  0:06 in the "The Helmet" clip on the top of this page seems related to them as well.

[DominicCobb 194]

Only really now digging into this score, has it been remarked upon the similarity of Anthem of Evil and Holdo's theme (or whatever we're calling it these days)?

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6 minutes ago, DominicCobb said:

Only really now digging into this score, has it been remarked upon the similarity of Anthem of Evil and Holdo's theme (or whatever we're calling it these days)?

And Cinque’s Theme from Amistad👍🏻
 

42 minutes ago, artguy360 said:

Hard to Get Rid Of

[Jay 34,938]

Unreleased Luke's Theme for Threepio's moment

[Dr. Know 285]

Jay, just saw the film and read your initial assessment and you voiced everything I was thinking.  We are 100% in agreement.  The score is a masterpiece and I have also never experienced a film with so much fantastic unreleased music that instantly spoke to me.  Man oh man we need this complete score.

[Cerebral Cortex 3,338]

34 minutes ago, DominicCobb said:

Only really now digging into this score, has it been remarked upon the similarity of Anthem of Evil and Holdo's theme (or whatever we're calling it these days)?

 

Yeah, thought the exact same thing. The first half is almost identical, I feel. 

[DominicCobb 194]

7 minutes ago, Cerebral Cortex said:

 

Yeah, thought the exact same thing. The first half is almost identical, I feel. 

 

Didn't catch it during the film at all until the credits, when I was kinda like "wait what? Oh it's a new theme."

 

Also, just me or does the Knights of Ren theme sound like the end of the boat scene from the beginning of Last Crusade?

 

EDIT:

 

Ha, forgot the cue was literally called "The Boat Scene"

 

 

[rpvee 688]

Loved the score! But, as much as I was hoping for at least one more “Luke and Leia” statement, why was it played when... Lando and Jannah were talking?

 

Also, that was its only use, right?

[Jay 34,938]

More unreleased Emperor's Theme and Kylo Ren's Theme

 

This is the Emperor's Theme statement I mentioned before I believe

[TheUlyssesian 2,447]

5 minutes ago, rpvee said:

Loved the score! But, as much as I was hoping for at least one more “Luke and Leia” statement, why was it played when... Lando and Jannah were talking?

 

To represent yet another case of incest. Apparently Jannah was supposed to be Lando's daughter but that was cut from the film and now after watching the film some people that they were going to hook up.

[geom_00 15]

I just got back from seeing RoS for the first time. 

 

I liked the movie, though, was a tad upset at all the retconning JJ Abrams did.

 

Enough about the movie though....that score was cinematic perfection.  I am not one to get emotional easily, but JW really pulled out all the stops.  When Poe seemed defeated, and he heard Lando reply: "All of us" and that music swelled?!  I was damn near in tears. 

 

I LOVED the score, I Love John Williams...and you all DID see the cameo he had in the movie...right??

[Cerebral Cortex 3,338]

1 hour ago, DominicCobb said:

 

Didn't catch it during the film at all until the credits, when I was kinda like "wait what? Oh it's a new theme."

 

Also, just me or does the Knights of Ren theme sound like the end of the boat scene from the beginning of Last Crusade?

 

EDIT:

 

Ha, forgot the cue was literally called "The Boat Scene"

 

 

 

Oh wow! I get exactly what you mean! Damn, good catch. 

[Jay 34,938]

Well, there's close to half an hour of unreleased music just in the first half of the film

 

[edit: the chart originally posted here has become outdated; Go to the main post for the most up-to-date version]

[TheUlyssesian 2,447]

Damn!

 

Did I read it right that 3.5 hrs of music was recorded - give and take because of all the alternate versions and reshoots?

[DominicCobb 194]

Anybody have any idea how much of the missing stuff is actually just tracked recordings? On first watch it's hard to keep track when there's so many (and when some might just be rerecordings of old arrangements). For instance, Zorii talking to Poe, is that a new recording of the AOTC cue? Something like the use of Lesson Two for Rey and Finn talking on the ship or Vader's death for the Death Star I feel confident saying is tracked because it sounds like they've been edited as well.

 

Even the most recently posted clip "I Know You," is that a tracked recording at the end of the clip from TFA (from after the landing on Starkiller base)?

[Arpy 4,123]

The Zori/Poe convo seems like half new recording, half tracked. 

[Tydirium 1,063]

5 hours ago, Jay said:

I'd say so.  0:06 in the "The Helmet" clip on the top of this page seems related to them as well.

 

Yes, I just re-listened to that and it is the exact same motif heard in "The Knights of Ren" clip you posted, just slower. The little fanfare in "Prologue" (FYC)/"Journey to Exegol" (OST) does also seem related, mostly because of the descending chromatic triplets at the end of the phrase both times.

[Jay 34,938]

I doubt if you added up all the tracked music in the film, it would total more than a minute or so

 

But I dunno. 

[Bespin 7,868]

@Jay Did you make a combined playlist, without editing, of the OST + FYC?

[Fabulin 3,469]

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