Tydirium 1,166 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, Alex said: Is it just me or was there a distinct lack of action material? Like less than perhaps would be expected for a Star Wars film. Yes, but "Falcon Flight" would have helped scratch that itch. At least we have it on the FYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Quintus said: @Jay Which cues should I be listening to on this album? Just a handful of your faves so far, sell it to me. Rise of Skywalker first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,387 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 The Speeder Chase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,625 Posted December 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2019 If the music is mixed well in the film, I think Williams has a serous chance at the Oscar Biodome, crumbs, Demondm810 and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,392 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2:35 to about the 3 minute mark on Final Saber Duel sounds a little like the Kamino music of AOTC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just now, King Mark said: If the music is mixed well in the film, I think Williams has a serous chance at the Oscar nah, they'll give it to Joker. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Larry O 115 Posted December 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2019 3 minutes ago, King Mark said: If the music is mixed well in the film, I think Williams has a serous chance at the Oscar I think just as importantly, if Disney legitimately campaigns for him from the perspective of "He started the saga, and now he's finished it" he's got a chance of people essentially voting for him as a de-facto special achievement/career retrospective award. The Oscar would be just as much a "we love you Maestro" award as it would be Best Score. Disney has to actually push it, though. crumbs, Oswin Pond, Will and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Potterhead 42 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Demondm810 said: nah, they'll give it to Joker. yes because a girl wrote it Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wierzbowski85 7 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Tydirium said: Yes, but "Falcon Flight" would have helped scratch that itch. At least we have it on the FYC. That's exactly what I said. Are my posts not showing up or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biodome 714 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Joker had music? toothless and Tydirium 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Woohoo, me likey! Great stuff in here. Anthem of Evil blew my socks off Speeder Chase is great Destiny of a Jedi is fun They Will Come is great Reunion is a bit of a weird mishmash As is Finale with some mild performance issues on top (I think), but goddammit that very ending is exactly what I wanted! Wasn't a great fan of the presentation after getting used to the FYC, I already know I'll like my mashup of the two better. This is all first listen stuff, so subject to change - except for the bits I love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,337 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I just love reading all this praise and not listening! Can't wait to watch it in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Dr. Know said: No question, Johnny is still at the top of his game. Just incredible. Not going to listen to this before the film, not going to read all these. I have said many times he still got it😜😜😜😜 Is it available officially, I don't like leaks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Seems most of the action music is unreleased Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaestroUE 29 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Just listened to the majority of the new material in the OST and man, JW really killed this one in terms of the quality of writing, orchestration and conveying a much more nostalgic & emotional feel. Some very interesting and fun cues as some others have stated. “The Rise of Skywalker” is probably the best concert arrangement of the ST, alongside Rey’s theme from TFA. The use and arrangement of the already existing themes is absolutely delightful! Definitely a masterfully written score. Now to the rather critical things. In terms of new thematic material, after TLJ, this is probably the worst Star Wars score. I know many will probably disagree with me but apart from the material in “The Rise of Skywalker” and little themes & motifs from “Journey to Exegol” & “The Speeder Chase”, there’s pretty much nothing new that goes beyond being underscory motifs. I don’t really get what’s so exciting about “Anthem of Evil”, the choir is rather mediocre but well done, the new theme there, which also appears in the finale, is not menacing/interesting at all, apart from being loud. I personally find the motif in “Off the Waterfront” much better than this new theme. Now, we have so many well developed good-guy themes in sequel trilogy but for god’s sake, there’s just no remarkable material for the bad guys, apart from some semi-interesting motifs. The only time Kylo’s theme has impressed me was in “The Attack on the Jakku”. Instead we get the imperial march. Now I don’t know what the context of the use of it in the movie, but I was still expecting a better thematic balance. Many might think about the effectiveness of minimalism in these moments, which they are partially right (In modern classical music some leitmotifs can be as minimalistic as a glissando), but it doesn’t make sense, while you have concert arrangements for other themes. In terms of the audio/mixing quality, it’s between TFA & TLJ, it’s hard to capture those brilliantly written passages. The lesser audibility of the written material during some sequences is to me, as a conductor, very frustrating. The orchestra may not be LSO but they are still very skillful musicians so it’s not really about them. You’d think, after 20 years, they’d have an amazing improvement on mixing/recording quality but nope. Overall, it’s a great gift from our Maestro, we are all immensely lucky to be able to witness this and I’ll forever be thankful to John Williams for keep writing classics and making me want to become a classical musician. Fabulin and Joni Wiljami 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 On my first play through. Definitely the best of the ST. reminds me of a weird mix of Lost World, Chamber of Secrets, and Revenge of the Sith. love the Palpatine’s Seduction motif inclusion too 😬 crumbs and Bellosh 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Woods 555 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: The weaknesses are the straight-up renditions of Original Trilogy themes towards the end of the album, and an overall unsatisfying end credits medley. Agreed. The Finale is a hot mess. This end credit suite goes down as one of the worst of the series (maybe THE worst) along side Revenge of the Sith. So disappointing especially when we know that Williams more than capable of weaving together brilliant end credits suites. -Erik- 1977, Oswin Pond, montgocloud and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 The Rise of the Skywalker theme is so gorgeous man, love how it hits a melancholy nerve as well Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Again, I'm wondering if it's just the album version's editing that's dragging down Finale, or what. The version in the film is guaranteed to be different, it's a minute shorter for one thing. Whether that film version is better or worse is still up in the air but it's definitely NOT going to be what we got on this OST. Reunion sounds so much like a piece of the finale I'd be surprised if it wasn't in there. I also don't know how you cut a minute out of what we DO have on the OST without making it sound choppier than it already is? Ricard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,387 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bilbo said: On my first play through. Definitely the best of the ST. reminds me of a weird mix of Lost World, Chamber of Secrets, and Revenge of the Sith. love the Palpatine’s Seduction motif inclusion too 😬 Yeah I was getting some Jurassic Park vibes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan 689 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 5 minutes ago, Larry O said: Reunion sounds so much like a piece of the finale I'd be surprised if it wasn't in there Agreed, it almost sounds like an alternate section for an end credit suite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I thought the album flowed very well. An extremely pleasurable listening experience, probably the best of the ST. Not many tracks I would skip on repeat listening. There weren't too many jarring transitions in the End Credits so I can live with it (I'll just pretend JW wrote it like that). crlbrg and Alan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Chewy said: 01 Fanfare and Prologue at 2:41 !! The Palpatine's Seduction little evil motif that we can hear in Revenge of the Sith is back!! This is an amazing connection! Oh, that IS awesome... the jittery Dies Irae in retrograde/palindromic pattern. Those withering string effects that accompany the Emperor's theme at 3:42 in Fanfare and Prologue are bawse. Chewy and crlbrg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 What if JW actually wrote two alternate sections for Finale and decided to put both on the album? Reunion couldn't sound more like a section of a credits suite. Woah, The Force Is With You is powerful - loving the Emperor's theme near the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 The Rise of Skywalker really does sound like a major key version of the Dies Irae (the extended phrase, not just the first four notes). It's like the Anakin's Theme version of the Dies Irae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,392 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I'm not sure about Reunion... On one hand, yeah, it feels like a concert suite or an alternate for the end credits (?!?), but on the other, I think this is for the aftermath of the battle, when the characters are embracing, celebrating, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 One of the motifs in Anthem of Evil sounds like it's trying to break out into Holdo's Desperation. Anyone else get Lawrence of Arabia vibes from Speeder Chase? The explosively joyous motif from Arrival at Auda's Camp etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 everything looks promising..cant wait to hear it in a couple of days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, MaestroUE said: Just listened to the majority of the new material in the OST and man, JW really killed this one in terms of the quality of writing, orchestration and conveying a much more nostalgic & emotional feel. Some very interesting and fun cues as some others have stated. “The Rise of Skywalker” is probably the best concert arrangement of the ST, alongside Rey’s theme from TFA. The use and arrangement of the already existing themes is absolutely delightful! Definitely a masterfully written score. Now to the rather critical things. In terms of new thematic material, after TLJ, this is probably the worst Star Wars score. I know many will probably disagree with me but apart from the material in “The Rise of Skywalker” and little themes & motifs from “Journey to Exegol” & “The Speeder Chase”, there’s pretty much nothing new that goes beyond being underscory motifs. I don’t really get what’s so exciting about “Anthem of Evil”, the choir is rather mediocre but well done, the new theme there, which also appears in the finale, is not menacing/interesting at all, apart from being loud. I personally find the motif in “Off the Waterfront” much better than this new theme. Now, we have so many well developed good-guy themes in sequel trilogy but for god’s sake, there’s just no remarkable material for the bad guys, apart from some semi-interesting motifs. The only time Kylo’s theme has impressed me was in “The Attack on the Jakku”. Instead we get the imperial march. Now I don’t know what the context of the use of it in the movie, but I was still expecting a better thematic balance. Many might think about the effectiveness of minimalism in these moments, which they are partially right (In modern classical music some leitmotifs can be as minimalistic as a glissando), but it doesn’t make sense, while you have concert arrangements for other themes. In terms of the audio/mixing quality, it’s between TFA & TLJ, it’s hard to capture those brilliantly written passages. The lesser audibility of the written material during some sequences is to me, as a conductor, very frustrating. The orchestra may not be LSO but they are still very skillful musicians so it’s not really about them. You’d think, after 20 years, they’d have an amazing improvement on mixing/recording quality but nope. Overall, it’s a great gift from our Maestro, we are all immensely lucky to be able to witness this and I’ll forever be thankful to John Williams for keep writing classics and making me want to become a classical musician. I agree about the writing and orchestrations. This is a suburbly crafted score. But, I also agree about thematic material. It is missing something in that department. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 6,272 Posted December 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Quintus said: @Jay Which cues should I be listening to on this album? Just a handful of your faves so far, sell it to me. There's a moment in They Will Come you'll appreciate. This is a pretty lovely album. I had two immediate impressions. After finishing, I realize that TFA is 100% the score of the trilogy. TLJ and ROS help give it all a bit more hype and flavor, and feature the best versions of its themes, but as a fresh narrative and overall listening experience, TFA is the anchor. The other was while listening to the wondrous title track "The Rise of Skywalker," it occurred to me that this score and the trilogy overall...it's really for the softies! I've spent four years now reading comments putting down these scores as "weak", lacking a new Imperial March or Duel of the Fates, waiting for that badass First Order March (the biggest adrenaline junkies will probably be disappointed with The Final Saber Duel and Anthem of Evil) but that's not the tone of these movies or these scores. The way I see it, the music of the OT evokes heroism, spirited adventure, above all classicism in structure and craftsmanship. The prequels are all fire and brimstone, passion, war, aggression, tragedy. The sequels -- summed up in my mind by Rey's Theme, Jedi Steps, Rose's Theme, and now The Rise of Skywalker -- this is a musical trilogy of wistfulness and whimsy, nostalgia, loneliness, and magic. Altogether that is Star Wars by John Williams. Quintus, The Illustrious Jerry, Tydirium and 10 others 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pawel P. 738 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 55 minutes ago, King Mark said: If the music is mixed well in the film, I think Williams has a serous chance at the Oscar Is mixed very well. But I watched it in IMAX. I don't know yet how it will sound in normal cinemas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,801 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 PM please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 The action material suffers a bit from JW's stop-and-start style where his ideas are rarely given enough time to fully develop. There's nothing in here which for me achieves the structure and memorability of The Jungle Chase (complete). So far for me it's a solid 3-4 star score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Ahh, just listened to that. It's the best of the three Di$ney's, mainly due to an emphasis on poignant 'farewell' music and a lack of Williams often unstructured action writing of late (these jagged brass licks, yikes), though i must admit that he's as straightforward here action-wise as he was back on ROTJ (Speeder Chase). It blends in perfectly with the Abrams and Johnson scores, though that also means RoS isn't exactly ending on a note of triumph, musically: verbatim quotes of old ESB material and copy/paste end credits make it sound as compost-y as The Last Jedi at times. It may be a small fish to fry, but why we get the same finale flourish for the third time in a row (ROTJ, ROTS and now this, not counting the gazillions of other recordings)? But all things considered, there's a wealth of pleasant, memorable material, none of it scaling ESB heights, but then, what is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,387 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 That motif in 'The Speeder Chase' still got me like: Molly Weasley 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loert 2,510 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bellosh said: That motif in 'The Speeder Chase' still got me like: It has no right to be as catchy as it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aviazn 273 Posted December 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2019 Aha! I think the reason the Finale is a mess is because it has alternate concert endings, like the TFA Signature Edition suite. At 7:33 in Finale, at the end of the Rise of Skywalker theme, just before it it breaks into the Main Title and Throne Room, you can make a clean edit into 3:27 of The Rise of Skywalker OST track. That gives you the lovely ending of that track as the end of the entire album, which is just perfect. It matches the soft statements of Rey's theme in the TFA Finale OST ending (and the TLJ Finale ending) in instrumentation and thematically. I'm guessing the Main Title and Throne Room section is there is so that he can play that ending in concerts and not have to repeat the Star Wars Main Title suite as a separate piece, which gives audiences a double dose of the beginning of the end credits. That was a weird programming issue when he debuted the TFA suite with the Boston Pops—you got the rolling thunder section of the end credits in both the Star Wars Main Title piece and the Jedi Steps and Finale. montgocloud, Ricard, Larry O and 3 others 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, Muad'Dib said: PM please! Indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wierzbowski85 7 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I absolutely love the motif at 1:53 in 'Falcon Flight' on the FYC. I was really hoping for an entire action cue based around that alone – feels very OT to me, and very alive, exciting, and dangerous. Disappointed that track, and especially that motif, are completely missing from the OST. toothless 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted December 17, 2019 Author Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Quintus said: @Jay Which cues should I be listening to on this album? Just a handful of your faves so far, sell it to me. The Rise of Skywalker, The Speeder Chase, They Will Come Quintus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandor 796 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 This album is a complete winner in my book! I'm really enjoying it on a level that surprasses my initial reactions to TFA and TLJ. I think in the end, Williams created something very special with the Sequel Trilogy. crumbs and Jost1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry O 115 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, aviazn said: Aha! I think the reason the Finale is a mess is because it has alternate concert endings, like the TFA Signature Edition suite. At 7:33 in Finale, at the end of the Rise of Skywalker theme, just before it it breaks into the Main Title and Throne Room, you can make a clean edit into 3:27 of The Rise of Skywalker OST track. That gives you the lovely ending of that track as the end of the entire album, which is just perfect. It matches the soft statements of Rey's theme in the TFA Finale OST ending (and the TLJ Finale ending) in instrumentation and thematically—Rey's theme is transformed into the Rise of Skywalker theme. I'm guessing the Main Title and Throne Room section is there is so that he can play that ending in concerts and not have to repeat the Star Wars Main Title suite as a separate piece, which gives audiences a double dose of the beginning of the end credits. That was a weird programming issue when he debuted the TFA suite with the Boston Pops—you got the rolling thunder section of the end credits in both the Star Wars Main Title piece and the Jedi Steps and Finale. I'm also wondering if you can replace the Anthem of Evil piece by starting Reunion at 2:06, and just transitioning naturally into Imperial March at the end of Yoda's bit there as it did on the ESB soundtrack. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bespin 8,480 Posted December 17, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 17, 2019 I love this album. John Williams you’re my hero. 😘😘😘 crumbs, The Illustrious Jerry, Sandor and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 I love Reunion EXCEPT Yoda's Theme in the middle .Maybe it would work better edited out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Wow So many positive comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Anyone who doesn't like the Rise of Skywalker theme is completely dead inside I guess Rescue is on the FYC only crumbs and ChrisAfonso 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 510 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 Wow! This is a really good score, the rise of Skywalker Theme is great and I feel like this is a perfect end to this Trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 It's one of those themes that's so simple that it shouldn't work, but it does. They Will Come is almost a better workout of the theme than Rise of Skywalker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted December 17, 2019 Share Posted December 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Richard Penna said: It's one of those themes that's so simple that it shouldn't work, but it does. it reminds me a bit of buckbeak's Flight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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