Popular Post #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2019 CD will be dead by then. It will be a 44 LP set. A. A. Ron, bollemanneke and Nick Parker 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 I would guess 2 CDs per film, so 18. Maybe 3 CDs for TFA and TLJ, bringing it up to 20 Or 19 if its a box set of 2CD sets for each score with a disc of bonus tracks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 TPM, ROTJ. TFA and probably this one, require 3 cd's each, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamleyeti 114 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 I listened a second time to the album that I still find "better" than TLJ — I also have an issue with the movie, and I haven't seen ROTS and won't see before a while so… But adding the right FYC tracks and… this is a really superb and powerful thematic tour de force from Williams. Themes come and go, they push the narrative, evolve, as the whole score is getting darker and darker with every track. A little piece of music like "Advice" really helps to set the right mood for the powerful "They Will Come". I feel that this is pretty much like The Phantom Menace: the original album was a bit of mess, and I always felt the 2CD version was the right way to experience the musical journey. But again, just my own taste. Bayesian 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 51 minutes ago, iamleyeti said: I haven't seen ROTS You haven't seen ROTS? It's been out since 2005! /s iamleyeti 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 19, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 19, 2019 Does anyone else think the French horn theme from the opening of "Journey to Exegol" (0:08) is criminally underutilized/underdeveloped? It shows up basically that one time, and while the orchestral texture continues for another 30 seconds or so, it would have been great for the theme itself to get more of a workout, maybe with a bit of a B section. But man, what I wouldn't give for a concert arrangement of that theme... Easily one of the highlights, for me at least. Will, Jost1, Falstaft and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 It sounds like a major new theme doesn't it Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 It does! Reminds me a bit of DRACULA. Falstaft and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 22 hours ago, Jay said: It just clicked with me what the first 10 seconds of Reunion remind me of - reminds me of John Barry's Dances With Wolves! Anybody else get Barry vibes from this section? Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 no, i get more the opening of the last track of the Jurassic Park OST start the island theme Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 19, 2019 Author Share Posted December 19, 2019 Yea, a little bit, I can hear that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 51 minutes ago, Jay said: Anybody else get Barry vibes from this section? Yeah, something about the voicing of those major chords, I can hear what you mean about Dances with Wolves. Sounds like it could work for a nice ride on a horse across some fields. Will and Jay 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 First off, thanks @Jay for the awesome edit-free playlist. As many are saying, hearing the score with more fleshed out is really amazing. While I have listened a few times and specifically played a number of tracks, I am not sure where I sit on the score. I like it a lot - but I think until I see the film later today, I cannot fully decide how much I love it. And even saying that, I am not sure why - maybe I just want more time? I happen to love TPM score, but only am so-so on the movie. So, it's not really about that I guess. Anyway, I think it's all too new so far. And in fact with the disaster box set arriving this week, I am jumping between Williams scores a ton. One thing I did on my playlist and I offer it up to others to try or comment: I programed the concert suite Rise of Skywalker ahead of the main title. Sort of like an overture, although one that only introduces one theme as compared to more standard ones. I guess sort of like how Jerry Goldsmith opened Star Trek The Motion Picture with Ilia's theme played against a black screen. I like the way RoS ends and then a brief pause and bang, the main title. Anyway, give it a try. I also wonder if how Williams will program this suite in relation to others and I am going to play with that a bit - if we had to take 3 suites from the 9 films, and RoS had to be one, which other two would form a nice three piece experience? I sort of suspect RoS would be the middle one. Anyway, I guess I should start a thread on this idea. (So I did: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/31055-star-wars-suites-in-concert-how-would-you-program-them/ ) Tydirium and iamleyeti 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 9 hours ago, Stefancos said: @Blumenkohl @publicist you coming to Vienna? We 3 need to get drunk together! I'm not! 6 hours ago, publicist said: You are such a non-entity to me, i wouldn't even consider blocking your content. You should try it. The experience here is much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 11 hours ago, Stefancos said: Its my opinion Ricard. To which I believe i'm fully entitled. That's why I said "OK." Quote What do you think of the OST? As most Williams OSTs, it's a great source of material for chronological/expanded edits, which provide a much more accurate presentation of the score, and which I'm currently listening to and enjoying greatly. Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 20 minutes ago, Blumenkohl said: You should try it. The experience here is much better. You are ruining my experience. Damn you will not see this. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaestroUE 29 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 3 hours ago, Tydirium said: Does anyone else think the French horn theme from the opening of "Journey to Exegol" (0:08) is criminally underutilized/underdeveloped? It shows up basically that one time, and while the orchestral texture continues for another 30 seconds or so, it would have been great for the theme itself to get more of a workout, maybe with a bit of a B section. But man, what I wouldn't give for a concert arrangement of that theme... Easily one of the highlights, for me at least. I totally agree with you. In my opinion, this motif is probably the best I’ve heard in the ST. It’s so adventurous and vibrant, slightly reminiscent of Harry Potter. An extended concert arrangement including this motif and its variations would’ve also been a perfect addition alongside “The Rise of Skywalker”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 Listening to the album's opening and how it doesn't line up at all with the film, I wonder if the opening Williams scored was actually much longer but was cut down for some reason. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panama Jack 9 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 7 hours ago, Jay said: Instead I've been listening to a 28 track playlist, that takes the 19 OST tracks and adds in 9 FYC tracks for a very nice, and very well-rounded 95 minute listening experience. You can see the playlist here if you want to try listening to this score that way yourself. This is how I've been listening to it as well. I won't see the film until tomorrow morning, so I'm avoiding the spoiler thread like the plague. So, without getting into spoilers, is this 28 track no-edit playlist the final OST/FYC order if one wanted the most complete score possible in chronological order, but also didn't want to have to splice/edit tracks together? And has there been any rumor at all of a FYC CD to hopefully get those tracks in lossless quality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 I'm starting the final stretch of a mostly complete listen of my OST/FYC mashup and I've never had so much fun listening to a SW album. It seems like the polar opposite of a score like AotC which sends me to sleep half the time. No doubt because the film is likely much better. One question - the opening of the FYC Prologue isn't on the OST, is it? I can't seem to match it up to anything so I've put it in my playlist straight after Fanfare and Prologue as a 'Prologue Pt. 2'. If only JW had done a Hobbit-style special edition which merged the FYC and OST into one 100 minute or so set. Approaching the Throne (I'm loving the brass and woodwind interplay from 2:54, building up to the ROS theme - I just wish the swirling strings didn't stop at 3:40 - I wanted it to build up more and more! - Still one of the best recent action moments from JW) And 1:40 onwards reminds me of the latter part of Padme's Ruminations. JacksonElmore 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonElmore 69 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Gistech said: Listening to the album's opening and how it doesn't line up at all with the film, I wonder if the opening Williams scored was actually much longer but was cut down for some reason. they filmed multiple different beginnings to the movie. No doubt in my mind the one that made the soundtrack was williams favorite one, at least musically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: One question - the opening of the FYC Prologue isn't on the OST, is it? Check out post #1 of this thread here: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/30975-the-rise-of-skywalker-for-your-consideration-fyc-album-discussion-no-film-spoilers-allowed/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 14 hours ago, Stefancos said: @Blumenkohl @publicist you coming to Vienna? We 3 need to get drunk together! Hello are there tickets left for the Vienna, gig? And when is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 9 minutes ago, stravinsky said: Hello are there tickets left for the Vienna, gig? And when is it? 12 hours ago, Jay said: More information here: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/28512-john-williams-to-conduct-the-vienna-philharmonic-january-1819-2020/ And here: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/30660-who-is-coming-to-vienna/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 4 hours ago, Gistech said: Listening to the album's opening and how it doesn't line up at all with the film Attack of the Clones was the same way. I should cancel my order and just download the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 So the two themes in the Rise of Skywalker tracks are indeed 1. Trio theme and the second one I will call... Resistance theme but no we already have the March of the Resistance. Maybe the people's theme or the galaxy's theme or democracy theme or something like that. I think the concept it represents is the spirit of triumph and a fighting spirit but in a hopeful way. I can't say much more (though there is nothing much to spoil as to what it represents) - it is a good guy theme as is entirely obvious from its soaring nature. But yeah, I am struggling with the names. But the 2 are most definitely separate themes. The trio theme has much broader application. The other theme is I think applied in 2 scenes that's it. If I were to guess the sequence of events I think Williams wrote basically a standalone piece for that ending scene. And then liked it too much and wrote a concert rendition and then included it in 2 or 3 other scenes to make it a "theme". But yes, what it represents in theory is a wee bit nebulous. Maybe I will post detailed thoughts in the spoiler thread. Smeltington and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lairdo 726 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 The HD version of Rise of Skywalker is now available at all the usual sites that sell those files (joining Quboz whom launched early I believe). HDtracks, Presto, ProStudio Masters etc. Presto has it for $12.75 in 192/24 which is the best price I have seen of all those sites for above CD or MP3 quality. Also, my physical CD has shipped from Amazon, so I guess those are rolling out to those who pre-ordered, at least in the US. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: So the two themes in the Rise of Skywalker tracks are indeed 1. Trio theme and the second one I will call... Resistance theme but no we already have the March of the Resistance. Maybe the people's theme or the galaxy's theme or democracy theme or something like that. I think the concept it represents is the spirit of triumph and a fighting spirit but in a hopeful way. I can't say much more (though there is nothing much to spoil as to what it represents) - it is a good guy theme as is entirely obvious from its soaring nature. But yeah, I am struggling with the names. But the 2 are most definitely separate themes. The trio theme has much broader application. The other theme is I think applied in 2 scenes that's it. If I were to guess the sequence of events I think Williams wrote basically a standalone piece for that ending scene. And then liked it too much and wrote a concert rendition and then included it in 2 or 3 other scenes to make it a "theme". But yes, what it represents in theory is a wee bit nebulous. Maybe I will post detailed thoughts in the spoiler thread. Yep, definitely two separate themes. Previously, they had been referred to on this forum as the "Rise of Skywalker" theme and the trio theme, but I no longer think "Rise of Skywalker" theme is a good title for it, considering the theme's actual usage in the film. It's used less often than you would expect, and more towards the tail-end of the film. The trio theme is more present throughout the whole of the score. I think "The Rise of Skywalker" as a track title is no more of a theme identifier than "The Rebellion Is Reborn", is. It's simply a title used for a concert arrangement of two different themes. So, yes, we need to think up a better name to call that theme by. _deleted_ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Demodex said: Attack of the Clones was the same way. I should cancel my order and just download the album. Attack of the Clones was clearly three cues mashed into one. I'm going to agree that this was probably from a different version of the opening, like TFA had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 15 hours ago, Tydirium said: Does anyone else think the French horn theme from the opening of "Journey to Exegol" (0:08) is criminally underutilized/underdeveloped? It shows up basically that one time, and while the orchestral texture continues for another 30 seconds or so, it would have been great for the theme itself to get more of a workout, maybe with a bit of a B section. But man, what I wouldn't give for a concert arrangement of that theme... Easily one of the highlights, for me at least. It is faaaantastic, nobody does travel music like John Williams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stravinsky 206 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Jay said: Ach I've miss the boat as its a, waiting list only. Probably sold out months ago. Bummer because I have that weekend off. Canny be helped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 14 hours ago, Panama Jack said: And has there been any rumor at all of a FYC CD to hopefully get those tracks in lossless quality? Disney sent out physical CDs of the FYC albums for TFA, The BFG, and TLJ. They might for TROS too, or they might not. We have no way of knowing until all of a sudden one day one turns up on ebay 1 hour ago, stravinsky said: Ach I've miss the boat as its a, waiting list only. Probably sold out months ago. Bummer because I have that weekend off. Canny be helped. People have been popping in to sell tickets all the time, right here: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/forum/15-the-marketplace/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jost1 105 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 That brass in Journey to Exegol, sublime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 So, is the speeder chase a concert arrangement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonElmore 69 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, Diego said: So, is the speeder chase a concert arrangement? Its not in the film, and it has a concert ending. So Id say it’s an alternate cue (that is infinitely better than the underscore that was used) that he added an ending to, and perhaps modified the structure for. So....yes? Idk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 My vote is concert arrangement. I don't think what's on the OST wouldn't have worked with the film version without some significant editing. Then again, who knows how much the sequence was edited after Williams scored it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 18 hours ago, lairdo said: One thing I did on my playlist and I offer it up to others to try or comment: I programed the concert suite Rise of Skywalker ahead of the main title. Sort of like an overture, although one that only introduces one theme as compared to more standard ones. I guess sort of like how Jerry Goldsmith opened Star Trek The Motion Picture with Ilia's theme played against a black screen. I like the way RoS ends and then a brief pause and bang, the main title. Anyway, give it a try. Nice, I will. For now, I’ve programmed Anthem of Evil and The Rise of Skywalker in the middle of @Jay’s chronological playlist—after Destiny of a Jedi and before Battle of the Resistance. That way they serve as a sort of Intermission/Entr’act, like the concert suites in the ‘97 special edition releases. It’s a similar effect, with RoS fading out and then then the blast of Battle of the Resistance. And I like the narrative effect, with BotR serving as an act 2 (or disc 2) opener. if you like that sort of thing, I also have The Rebellion is Reborn in between The Sacred Jedi Texts and right before Rey’s Journey in my TLJ playlist, and for TFA, Rey’s Theme and MotR after The Abduction and before Han and Leia. lairdo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Yeah, I’m beginning to like where the 1993 Anthology placed Leia’s Theme, after Ben’s Death/TIE Fighter Attack. It gives a nice break from the action cues that preceded and follow. aviazn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,363 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 I'll post more information into the Complete Score thread, since this is supposed to be a thread to discuss the new album of music John has released for us to enjoy, rather than pointing out what he wrote that's not on it, or delving too deep into the weeds of how it relates to the final film... But, here is some information I could gleam from watching the film once - don't worry, no spoilers! Most of the music in the first track after the Main Title isn't in the film! Only the little fanfare from 1:45-1:52 and the string from 2:52-2:58 can be heard, and it's impossible to tell if they play under the footage John wrote them for or not. Even the "pan down from the title crawl stars" music from 1:26-1:45 is different in the final film. Likewise, that first minute of Journey to Exegol is not in the film, and it's really clear when watching the film what we would have seen on screen that it would have covered. I am glad John put this music on the album, it's really cool. From one viewing I would say most of the rest of the album represents various moments that are the same in the final film, though it seems every cue John wrote was edited down a bit for the final cut in some way. More than any other Williams score I can think of, this scores makes me wish Williams was more with the times in terms of it being OK to release long albums right out of the gate. Disney Records funded long albums for Avengers Endgame and Black Panther and others, and I'm sure they would have done the same for JW if he was willing to construct a longer album for them. Instead, now we have to wait for Disney Records to finally hire Mike to construct complete albums... someday.... Bayesian, Falstaft, crumbs and 3 others 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, Jay said: More than any other Williams score I can think of, this scores makes me wish Williams was more with the times in terms of it being OK to release long albums right out of the gate. Disney Records funded long albums for Avengers Endgame and Black Panther and others, and I'm sure they would have done the same for JW if he was willing to construct a longer album for them. Honestly, I'm glad he doesn't. And I'm perfectly happy to wait years for an expanded/complete release. Gotta have something to look forward too ten years from now. Amer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Is it entirely up to Williams what goes onto the soundtrack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,363 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2019 44 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Honestly, I'm glad he doesn't. And I'm perfectly happy to wait years for an expanded/complete release. Gotta have something to look forward too ten years from now. Please notice, I didn't suggest that we should have gotten a complete releases out of the gate. I said longer release. In other words, I still want Williams to craft a listening experience from whatever he considers to be the highlights as the OST album. I just want a 100+ minute OST album, not a 75 minute OST album. This still leaves room for a "catalog" style complete release done by a restoration producer (like a Mike Matessino) down the road, at a later date. When people primarily bought new music albums on vinyl, he crafted 40 minute OST albums. When people primarily bought music on CDs, he crafted 50-75 minute OST albums. Now, we're in an era where people primarily buy music as digital downloads or stream it, and he is still crafting 50-75 minute OST albums, instead of crafting experiences of fluctuating length that the scope and scale of the score dictate. The RIse of Skywalker is a long, epic score for a long, epic movie, and deserves a first release longer than 75 minutes. In my opinion. crumbs, Tiburon, A. A. Ron and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Jay said: ALL the music in the first track after the Main Title portion is COMPLETELY unused in the film (apart from the little trumpet fanfare from 1:45-1:52, which was tracked into a different scene). Its clearly music John wrote for a completely different prologue that is no longer in the film at all. I'm glad he chose to give us this music on the OST album! The twinkly bit at 2:51 in the first track (possibly starting slightly before, not sure) is in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, Jay said: Please notice, I didn't suggest that we should have gotten a complete releases out of the gate. I said longer release. In other words, I still want Williams to craft a listening experience from whatever he considers to be the highlights as the OST album. I just want a 100+ minute OST album, not a 75 minute OST album. This still leaves room for a "catalog" style complete release done by a restoration producer (like a Mike Matessino) down the road, at a later date. When people primarily bought new music albums on vinyl, he crafted 40 minute OST albums. When people primarily bought music on CDs, he crafted 50-75 minute OST albums. Now, we're in an era where people primarily buy music as digital downloads or stream it, and he is still crafting 50-75 minute OST albums, instead of crafting experiences of fluctuating length that the scope and scale of the score dictate. The RIse of Skywalker is a long, epic score for a long, epic movie, and deserves a first release longer than 75 minutes. In my opinion. I think for him that 75-80 minute mark might be a good mental benchmark though, that gives him the restrictive parameters in which to think about the flow of an album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted December 20, 2019 Author Share Posted December 20, 2019 Sure, but I wish he didn't think that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 For stuff like Star Wars that's a helluva lot of music to curate in such a short timeframe! Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 He could hire Thor to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Just now, Jurassic Shark said: He could hire Thor to do it. That's like asking an Asimov robot to kill a person! A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Re-used as it may be, the transition that leads to the Yoda and the Force quote in Destiny of a Jedi is fantastic, sounds completely natural Joni Wiljami 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Romão said: Re-used as it may be, the transition that leads to the Yoda and the Force quote in Destiny of a Jedi is fantastic, sounds completely natural I love it, actually. Surprising, but feeling inevitable at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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