Tydirium 1,166 Posted February 4, 2020 Share Posted February 4, 2020 Whoa! Didn't notice that before; great catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,166 Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 This little Imperial March triplet at 0:41 always brings a smile to my face: greenturnedblue and crumbs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 On 12/31/2019 at 1:40 AM, TheUlyssesian said: If it fit they wouldn't have cut it out. My guess - JW wrote a version of the speed chaser cue for an earlier version of the scene. JJ then tinkered with the scene and recut it. JW adapted to it. JJ again recut it. JW is like fuck it - I am going to my original sketch and writing a concert arrangement for album. JJ baby you can use pieces from it or track music from other places as is your desire anyways. Both agree. JW records his concert arrangement for album. JJ out of respect uses a tiny portion in the film. All sides happy. JJ can fuck the hell off. And we can get a great new piece in the vein of asteroid field. -- Also listen to the full statement at 46s It is basically a full theme - not just an action figure. It has a full 4 phrases in this statement - that's almost too much for what is supposed to be an action figure to use in a chase scene. JW couldn't possibly hope to include such a broad statement in the scene specially when he is competing with loud FX. Methinks this might be an expansion of his original sketch - fleshed out for a concert setting. There is another full statement of the theme at 1:43 - first 3 phrases are intact, 4 has evolved a little bit this time. Again at 2:32 there is a full statement of the theme - first 3 phrases are intact, 4th again has evolved. (And honestly the theme is good enough to be an actual character theme for some other composer. It is good and memorable enough to be the heroic identity of the action hero character in a swashbuckling film for example. It is so easily malleable that the possibilities are endless.) So if you are to consider it a concert setting - this is how the theme is stated - A. Teasing the first 2 phrases B. 1st full statement of theme C. 2nd full statement of theme with some changes D. 3rd full statement of theme with some changes E. last 2 phrases taking a bow in a concert ending setting The piece itself is also just begging to be performed in concerts. It would make an exciting, fast paced and entertaining and fun little performance piece. On 12/31/2019 at 4:28 AM, Jurassic Shark said: It's clearly a concert arrangement. On 12/31/2019 at 9:26 AM, Jay said: To me The Speeder Chase on the OST is clearly a film cue, with a special, album-only, concert-arrangement-style ending tacked onto the very end of it. I am sure the scene itself was longer than it is in the final film when Williams wrote this cue, which is why the lengths are different. Clemensen agrees with my theory. He classifies The Speeder Chase as a concert suite! https://www.filmtracks.com/titles/rise_skywalker.html Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bofur01 245 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 Isn’t the concertesque ending pretty much just recycled from the end of The Adventures of Han? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pellaeon 593 Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, TheUlyssesian said: https://www.filmtracks.com/titles/rise_skywalker.html He writes, “Why were they ever called ‘star destroyers’ before if they couldn’t destroy a star?” Because they’re destroyers … in space. Fabulin, Tydirium and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Five Tones 302 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 5 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: https://www.filmtracks.com/titles/rise_skywalker.html Is this writer/editor's research and analysis on the score largely sourced from threads on JWFan, Frank Lehman and Mark Richards, etc. or coincidence and he's doing all this work in parallel himself? It's an interesting, very comprehensive review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Taikomochi 1,136 Posted February 18, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 18, 2020 He definitely reads JWFan. Will, The Five Tones and Tydirium 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted February 18, 2020 Share Posted February 18, 2020 1 hour ago, Taikomochi said: He definitely reads JWFan. 100% The Five Tones 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Hey CC! You suck lololololololol Nice review. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,372 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Little reminder for those who like vinyls, TROS OST is now available on LP: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B082PQRJ82/ Manakin Skywalker 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 My dream has come true Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 You have weird dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,372 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Got it, hopefully sounds good! Dr. Rick and Manakin Skywalker 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cosyfiep 3 Posted May 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted May 11, 2020 FIrst post here so be nice. I LOVE John Williams music--and have for decades (back to 1977 and the first star wars movie). However, upon listening to this soundtrack (ok, I heard it first while watching the movie), the track Rise of Skywalker sounds to me like a song from a totally different movie. I starting singing the words "forever and a life time" to the horns---which I know is not from star wars! (I think frozen???) starting at :58...yes, I am probably crazy, but I know that theme from a non-star wars movie. I know that composers reuse themes (ET is in Harry Potter, and James Horner Krull and Star Trek II), so could it be one of his previous themes that I am hearing? Otherwise, I, too, am missing the battle scene music (like March of the resistance or Scherzo for X-wings). Mattris, DrTenma and Taikomochi 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittBash 282 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 4 hours ago, cosyfiep said: FIrst post here so be nice. welcome to the party Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonElmore 69 Posted July 13, 2020 Share Posted July 13, 2020 was the "first order motif" or whatever people called it used at all in rise of skywalker? in the description for the album written by Neil Yung he says "Balancing light and dark side themes, the appropriate fear and dread are amplified by the skillful usage of the Emperor's associated motifs, "The Imperial March," Kylo Ren's theme, and the ominous First Order theme ("Prologue," "Journey to Exegol," and "Join Me"). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cosyfiep 3 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 After many months (and tons of other music listened) I have FINALLY found where I heard that from: Home alone 'Somewhere in my memory'. Was on a Christmas album which is why I could not find it...but now I have been listening to Christmas music and BAM there it was. And it is a John Williams theme! Now I can finally put it to rest (and hope it stays there). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,890 Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 On 7/13/2020 at 3:13 PM, JacksonElmore said: was the "first order motif" or whatever people called it used at all in rise of skywalker? in the description for the album written by Neil Yung he says "Balancing light and dark side themes, the appropriate fear and dread are amplified by the skillful usage of the Emperor's associated motifs, "The Imperial March," Kylo Ren's theme, and the ominous First Order theme ("Prologue," "Journey to Exegol," and "Join Me"). They must be considering Kylo's "B" motif as a motif for the First Order. The First Order had their own motif that appears a few times in TFA, but wasn't used in the subsequent films at all. I just realized right now that the first four notes in Kylo's "B" theme are identical to the First Order motif. So perhaps the "First Order motif" was just an early version of Kylo's "B" theme. Interesting... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 11, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 11, 2020 2 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: They must be considering Kylo's "B" motif as a motif for the First Order. The First Order had their own motif that appears a few times in TFA, but wasn't used in the subsequent films at all. I just realized right now that the first four notes in Kylo's "B" theme are identical to the First Order motif. So perhaps the "First Order motif" was just an early version of Kylo's "B" theme. Interesting... Exactly this. In fact, one of the more recent updates to my own catalogue, I merged what I had been calling the First Order Motif and Kylo Ren's C theme (Menacing) into one overall leitmotif, with different guises in TFA and largely dropped after that point. It also reminds me of this ancient post I made long ago where I anticipated the existence of the "1st Order Theme." Must have known something secret about the future of Star Wars / crlbrg, Fabulin and Manakin Skywalker 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted December 14, 2020 Share Posted December 14, 2020 I am guessing A New Home cue would be different if this concept art were filmed. https://www.instagram.com/p/CIu6b51D-Xj/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post artguy360 1,843 Posted December 29, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2020 Re-listening to it lately, I am once again amazed by the Rise of Skywalker theme(s) and how JW once again wrote beautiful music that expresses the ideas the film itself tries but fails to do as was the case with the prequel films. The friendship theme is so sweet, sincere, and filled with longing in a way that is totally absent from the film itself and the victory theme is grand and triumphant in a way the visuals it accompanies are not. It's amazing and amusing that JW's final SW score once again speaks beyond the film and lifts the themes of the film up. Smaug The Iron, Holko, Tiburon and 9 others 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 3 hours ago, artguy360 said: Re-listening to it lately, I am once again amazed by the Rise of Skywalker theme(s) and how JW once again wrote beautiful music that expresses the ideas the film itself tries but fails to do as was the case with the prequel films. The friendship theme is so sweet, sincere, and filled with longing in a way that is totally absent from the film itself and the victory theme is grand and triumphant in a way the visuals it accompanies are not. It's amazing and amusing that JW's final SW score once again speaks beyond the film and lifts the themes of the film up. Well said. No surprise he delivered the strongest score of the sequel trilogy for the weakest film. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,372 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, artguy360 said: as was the case with the prequel films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,281 Posted December 29, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2020 This score is massively underrated by the entire film score community and will only go up and up over time, especially if we get a proper expanded album Falstaft, Bofur01, crlbrg and 7 others 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 I don't think it's the strongest score of the trilogy, but I do think opinion will go up over time for it. Taikomochi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 29, 2020 Author Share Posted December 29, 2020 I don't know if any of us can really know which of the 3 we like the most until we get to hear the entire score for each, or at least all the major thematic developments and set pieces from each Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 5 hours ago, artguy360 said: Re-listening to it lately, I am once again amazed by the Rise of Skywalker theme(s) and how JW once again wrote beautiful music that expresses the ideas the film itself tries but fails to do as was the case with the prequel films. The friendship theme is so sweet, sincere, and filled with longing in a way that is totally absent from the film itself and the victory theme is grand and triumphant in a way the visuals it accompanies are not. It's amazing and amusing that JW's final SW score once again speaks beyond the film and lifts the themes of the film up. Well said! Still crossing my fingers we get a Hal Leonard Sig Edition of this magnificent piece! ricsim88 and crlbrg 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 29, 2020 Author Share Posted December 29, 2020 I still wish he made separate concert arrangements for the friendship theme and the victory theme, instead of combining them together. The Rise of Skwalker concert arrangement we got did bring the Victory Theme into some new directions, but didn't do much to expand what can be done with the Friendship theme. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 I still don't know which one is the friendship theme and which one is the victory theme. I think they are both pretty subpar for Williams. With the other scores I can listen to them and instantly recognize the new material. With this one I find myself wondering "Is that a new theme? If so which one is it?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 29, 2020 Author Share Posted December 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Demodex said: I still don't know which one is the friendship theme and which one is the victory theme. I think they are both pretty subpar for Williams. For the Friendship Theme, listen to: "We Go Together" 0:34-1:24 and 2:08-2:32 "Destiny of a Jedi" 3:59-4:17 "Reunion" 3:28-end "Finale" 1:20-2:05 For the Victory Theme, listen to: "They Will Come" 0:57-1:22 "The Force Is With You" 3:02-3:12 "Farewell" 4:19-end "Finale" 6:09-7:32 The "Rise of Skywalker" concert arrangement track is the only time Williams uses the two themes together 0:00-0:48 Victory Theme {based on Finale 6:09-6:52} 0:48-0:53 a unique bridge 0:53-1:43 Friendship Theme {based on Finale 1:20-2:05} 1:43-2:25 a unique bridge combining the Friendship Theme and Victory Theme together 2:25-3:32 Victory Theme {based on Farewell 3:56-4:57} 3:32-end Victory Theme {unique arrangement} crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Thanks. I'll keep listening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Anyone else think that "Augie's Great Municipal Band" should've become Rey's new theme by the end of the movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 Dunno, haven't seen it yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,330 Posted December 29, 2020 Share Posted December 29, 2020 4 hours ago, Disco Stu said: Anyone else think that "Augie's Great Municipal Band" should've become Rey's new theme by the end of the movie? Hard for me to say, as I can't really imagine that melody in any other context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 On 12/29/2020 at 9:33 AM, Jay said: I still wish he made separate concert arrangements for the friendship theme and the victory theme, instead of combining them together. The themes fit together so well that it seems very natural to place them in the same suite, much like Hedwig's Theme with Nimbus 2000. The Rebellion is Reborn was a less natural fit, but as a result it's kind of cool to hear how he made two themes unexpectedly work together. Holko and crlbrg 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 I do agree that it works much better than The Rebellion is Reborn! Plus in that case, you already hear them combined together in the end credits. With TROS, he never uses them together anywhere in any actual film cues Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I love The Rebellion is Reborn and in that case both melodies are so slight, they couldn't support individual concert arrangements. Rose's Theme and Luke in Exile are so different, they make for a nice contrast when combined. I thought JW separated Rose's Theme and Luke in Exile in TLJ end credits? I think they do not intertwine on the end credits OST track like they do in the concert arrangement. crumbs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,024 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I dunno. And there's no way to find out, except by listening to the OST, which I don't have with me now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 It's been a while, I could very well be remembering wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I just checked: on the OST end credits it goes Rose's Theme, Leia's Theme on piano, then Luke in Exile Theme, not intertwined as on The Rebellion is Reborn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 Cool, I guess my mind was playing tricks on me then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Listening to it again, the all-too-brief piano rendition of Leia's Theme is so, so gorgeous. I wish JW would have played it longer but I guess his intent was only for it to accompany CF's name appearing in the credits and nothing more. It's fairly rare to hear an undisguised piano playing anything other than percussion backing in a SW score. But JW did have fun with piano in ESB and, of course, Rey's Theme in the ST puts the piano/keyboard front and center on a number of occasions. I wonder, is the more prominent use of piano one of the major stylistic features of the ST scores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 Piano, and those harp flourishes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 I recall several harp flourishes in TROS. Did JW use a bunch in TFA and TLJ? I don't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted December 30, 2020 Author Share Posted December 30, 2020 Not sure actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenturnedblue 372 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I think I recall some piano in the Finale of Jurassic Park Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 4 hours ago, greenturnedblue said: I think I recall some piano in the Finale of Jurassic Park yeah i think there might be a little bit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,281 Posted July 8, 2021 Author Share Posted July 8, 2021 Apparently this is available in Dolby Atmos now via Apple Music https://music.apple.com/nl/album/star-wars-rise-skywalker-original-motion-picture-soundtrack/1491567956 Anybody here have the equipment and disposable income to properly check it out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 I simply cannot find any reason to listen. Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUH 65 Posted July 22, 2021 Share Posted July 22, 2021 On 7/8/2021 at 3:05 PM, Jay said: Apparently this is available in Dolby Atmos now via Apple Music https://music.apple.com/nl/album/star-wars-rise-skywalker-original-motion-picture-soundtrack/1491567956 Anybody here have the equipment and disposable income to properly check it out? I've been listening to it on my Atmos setup, such a fantastic score! Do you have any specific questions about the Spatial Audio version? Might be handy to compile a list of all available Spatial Audio/Dolby Atmos film scores. Currently I only know of 3: Celebrating John Williams (Live At Walt Disney Concert Hall, Los Angeles 2019) https://music.apple.com/gb/album/celebrating-john-williams-live-at-walt-disney-concert/1454543666 John Williams in Vienna https://music.apple.com/gb/album/john-williams-in-vienna/1513406970 Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) https://music.apple.com/gb/album/star-wars-rise-skywalker-original-motion-picture-soundtrack/1491567956 [updated] Paul's Dream (Dune: Music from the Soundtrack) https://music.apple.com/gb/album/pauls-dream-dune-music-from-the-soundtrack-single/1574745522 All John Williams! The first two were featured on the Spatial Audio Apple Music page, but I only found about Rise of Skywalker from your post here. I wish they had a list of every Spatial Audio track/album! There may be more scores in Atmos on Tidal too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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