Arpy 4,145 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 In a way, Reunion is such a clear cousin of TFA's resolution and what I adore about the last few tracks is how Williams deals with each theme, especially Rey's in that it's both familiar and different; it's grown and found a new footing. It's music that has gone hrough a journey itself. We couldn't have asked for more, honestly. This is the true Christmas gift. Nick Parker and ocelot 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 The two "Rise of Skywalker" themes separately ending "Farewell" and "Reunion" reminds me a little of HP1. The way "Gryffindor Wins" and "Leaving Hogwarts" let both themes have their own emotional closer. Goddddd the "trio" theme at the end of "Reunion", tho. If that is a final moment, conversation, last look, whatever, between those three...that is gonna be classic Williams. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaestroUE 29 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 41 minutes ago, Will said: Just finished my first listen! There's some really terrific stuff, happily including some great material that wasn't on the FYC. I need to listen again before I give more thoughts -- rest assured I will have more specific praise soon! Unfortunately, the second half of "The Rise of Skywalker" doesn't sound quite as awesome to me anymore because I'd been replaying "Farewell" over and over again this past week, but of course the fact that I played it so many times just goes to show how great a theme it is! The biggest letdown is definitely "Finale," which was enormously disappointing and a terrible album-ender. Maybe JW ran out of time to write a more original and coherent suite! When I first heard the Main Titles through the end of Finale, I literally thought I accidentally jumped to the beginning of the album 😀 I don’t know whose idea it was to put it there but I don’t think it was JW’s or William Ross’ idea. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Know 326 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 What a masterpiece. Seeing the film in a few days and can't wait to hear it in context. I'm just completely blown away by this score. If one were to insert "Falcon Flight" and "In the Desert" from the FYC into the OST, where would they belong? thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2019 I knew that tune in "The Speeder Chase" reminded me of something! Fabulin, The Illustrious Jerry, Loert and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I think Finale is really a perfectly okay credits suite if you edit out the Main Title and tack on the end of The Rise of Skywalker. I really think that's how it's meant to be, and the Main Titles/Throne Room is only there so he doesn't have to play the entire Main Titles/Throne Room suite at concerts from now on. Then you have: Binary Sunset — End Credits/Rolling Thunder — Trio theme — Anthem of Evil — Imperial March — Rey's theme — The Rise of Skywalker. That's a pretty good encapsulation of the sequel trilogy to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Very proud of myself that I assumed correctly Join Me contained the Anthem Of Evil theme before the OST ^^ Tydirium and Taikomochi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmarps 217 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I must say... I did laugh during end credits. We all know where. But hey! Last Jolly Boys' Outing - why the fuck not!! mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2019 Forgive me if this is the wrong thread of the dozen available choices but I wanted to pop in and say that this is a fabulous sendoff for John's Star Wars - perhaps lacking a single moment of spectacular payoff, as is the film - but fabulous all the same. I have lately rediscovered Star Wars through my children, and I thank Mr. Williams for being the soul of this world since my own childhood. The Illustrious Jerry, Molly Weasley, Marcus and 13 others 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Good to have you chime in, TGP. Glad you like this final Star Wars scoring effort from the maestro. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,418 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Okay so, for 'Finale', I want to preface that I love the piece, and I love the rendition of The Imperial March in it. But it feels so out of place to have the Imperial March in this. Also, when I first head it, it reminded me of all the times that the Imperial March is and was used as an encore at the Boston Pops Film Nights over the years. I enjoy the cue, but for some reason the way it quickly transitions into the Imperial March like, made me think of those shows I've been to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crimson Nagus 43 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I love the Finale. I thought it was a great mix of TROS themes and classic themes to end the saga. It brought a huge smile to my face when the “Main Titles” appeared. That is THE Star Wars theme and it felt like it was coming back for one last encore performance. Then the throne room ending has always been my favorite end credits ending so, I loved it. I hope this ending makes it into the film. Like I said, for me it’s an encore of the best movie theme of all times. Bravo, Mr. Williams, bravo for your unforgettable 42 year journey! Bellosh and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 35 minutes ago, Dixon Hill said: Forgive me if this is the wrong thread of the dozen available choices but I wanted to pop in and say that this is a fabulous sendoff for John's Star Wars - perhaps lacking a single moment of spectacular payoff, as is the film - but fabulous all the same. I have lately rediscovered Star Wars through my children, and I thank Mr. Williams for being the soul of this world since my own childhood. I miss you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Tydirium said: I knew that tune in "The Speeder Chase" reminded me of something! And a bit of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Where's Spoiler Healing Wounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Arpy said: Where's Reveal hidden contents Healing Wounds? https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/30975-the-rise-of-skywalker-for-your-consideration-fyc-album-discussion-no-film-spoilers-allowed/&do=findComment&comment=1675103 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Having only listened to it once so far, Finale is clunky. I don't like ending on the exact same rendition of Binary Sunset as TFA including the very ending swell, and the transitions between themes in the end credits sound rough. But maybe more listens will change my impression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Finale's definitely not one of the great ones. But it's easy for me to forgive considering everything else. We're pretty lucky to have gotten The Jedi Steps & Finale. Along with The Homecoming and The Peterson House & Finale, I will always remember those as particularly essential Williams pieces of the 2010s and among the great end credit suites of his career. There was definitely something extra special going on there. I remember us all having that feeling about his end credits suddenly getting really amazing in that time (from memory Jay was calling it out the most and the biggest champion of those things) and I think it’s an observation that’s really held up as he’s sorta winded down on them again lately. Disco Stu and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Mark 3,631 Posted December 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2019 The OST sounds fantastic. This is my favorite performance of the Main Titles or Fanfare as we should call it now Will, _deleted_, Ricard and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 hour ago, tmarps said: I must say... I did laugh during end credits. We all know where. But hey! Last Jolly Boys' Outing - why the fuck not!! What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Anyone working on a theme breakdown yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrJosh 892 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Totally understand the criticisms of the Finale track, and of having the Main Title appear at the end along with the end of the End Credits, but there is something special about ending these 9 film's scores with the piece that began them. Ricard and Sandor 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 Huh, wasn't expecting to come back after 4 hours away to people mostly talking about the Finale track. How about all the great NEW MUSIC guys? I can't get enough Speeder Chase over here! Arpy and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Does anyone else find the transition into "Rescue" in the Farewell track incredibly jarring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,892 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 My initial somewhat negative thoughts from listening to the FYC have gone away after listening to the album. It made a MASSIVE difference with the music being in context, at least as much as it can be without seeing the footage. This is probably my favorite score of the new trilogy, it is magnificent. My ONLY small gripe is how they used the exact binary sunset cue from TFA. It might even be the same recording(?) That seemed to me to be a wasted opportunity, especially since it has a somewhat sinister sound, when they should have ended it on a more heroic/uplifting note. ins 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 7 minutes ago, gkgyver said: Does anyone else find the transition into "Rescue" in the Farewell track incredibly jarring? You mean in "The Force Is with You"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,359 Posted December 18, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2019 For those who prefer to listen to JW OST albums in chronological order, this is my best guess, without having seen the film yet 01 Fanfare and Prologue 4:34 02 Journey to Exegol 2:49 09 We Go Together 3:17 05 The Speeder Chase 3:21 08 Fleeing from Kijimi 2:51 10 Join Me 3:42 04 The Old Death Star 3:16 12 The Final Saber Duel 3:57 11 They Will Come 2:50 06 Destiny of a Jedi 5:12 13 Battle of the Resistance 2:51 14 Approaching the Throne 4:16 15 The Force Is with You 3:59 16 Farewell 5:14 17 Reunion 4:04 18 A New Home 1:47 19 Finale 10:51 CONCERT ARRANGEMENTS 07 Anthem of Evil 3:23 03 The Rise of Skywalker 4:18 If you want to know about combining the OST and FYC together into an expanded album, I put that in the main post of The FYC thread. Ricard, Smaug The Iron, Molly Weasley and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Tydirium said: You mean in "The Force Is with You"? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Eh, it was a bit jarring at first but I've already grown to kind of enjoy it. I don't think it'd seem as jarring if we hadn't heard the FYC first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Williams sure likes ending these things with Binary Sunset, but now five of the movies don't conform to this new standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted December 18, 2019 Author Share Posted December 18, 2019 I doubt it was Williams idea to keep repeating it, but the director's request he was fulfilling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Five Tones 302 Posted December 18, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 18, 2019 TRoS has had me constantly reading the forum in a way I haven't since AOTC in 2002... and there were far fewer members and threads back then! This has been so much fun. This is easily the best of the ST scores based on the OST alone. And I love the whole thing, Finale included. Goosebumps for that last callback to 1977. Also, as much as folks are disappointed about Binary Sunset, I like that it's a clean open, reminds me of Vader's funeral pyre. Small but important note: I'm relieved there is no source music this time out. I feel like JW's work here is full of light like we haven't seen in decades (apologies to those big fans of all his other 2010s scores). And shadow: as much as we don't want to dwell on it, he's let us in just a little from his vantage point on mortality. Farewell, indeed. May it be years and years away. That said, he finds a way to communicate darkness and perversity here with unusual economy. The "oo" syllables changing to an open mouth crescendo in Anthem of Evil is old school fun (a scream of fear, if you like). One of the more interesting details for me is that chord at 2:42 in Farewell. Not only do we have a crescendo and theatrical stop a la E.T. Adventures on Earth, it's the notes of the Darth Vader chord, down to the concert pitches: E-flat, G-flat, B-flat, plus a conspicuous D natural in the top voice which is faithful to the G minor key from the concert march (chord: E-flat minor major seventh over G-flat). You could stop right there and drop into the Imperial March with perfect musical grammar (though little narrative sense). Echoes down the line of the Death Star motif. Also, echoes of a similar climactic chord in the ending of CE3K (same key, different voicing). Recording wise, I feel like the capture is better even than the first two ST scores. I love all the details in the new recording of the Fanfare, it's the way I've always imagined/remembered it. I look forward to really thoughtful analysis and reviews after we've heard the full score accompanying the film. And I look forward to what we'll be saying years from now! I'm grateful to share in this experience with everyone. armorb, Molly Weasley, aviazn and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Blumenkohl said: I miss you. That is the way of things. The way of the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Here's the things I don't like on the OST: Yoda's Theme in the middle of Reunion Main Title at the end of Finale End of film with Force Theme identical to TLJ Unsure:Imperial March in Finale...it's s good recording though That's it I think Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I actually felt the old themes were out of place on this album. I get that it's Star Wars and the reprisal of iconic existing themes is completely expected, but the overall tone of this score is very somber, dark and emotive, which is awesome. The old stuff sticks out like a sore thumb and the original content sounds more mature, if that makes any sense. Fabulin and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 3 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: I actually felt the old themes were out of place on this album. I get that it's Star Wars and the reprisal of iconic existing themes is completely expected, but the overall tone of this score is very somber, dark and emotive, which is awesome. The old stuff sticks out like a sore thumb and the original content sounds more mature, if that makes any sense. I feel like it's mostly integrated better than you seem to, but I definitely understand where you're coming from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 It didn't bother me, but it reminded me I was listening to a new SW score with old JW themes, but the overall score clearly is more in JW's dramatic soundscape. Definitely the best in terms of that stuff since Revenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I like the old themes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Why is everybody talking about the credits music so much? Who cares? Lol, there's plenty of score tracks (and the phenomenal concert arrangement "The Rise of Skywalker") to talk about! Jost1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,107 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I still feel the Finale / End Title is basically devised for the album. The Shazam listing referred to it as The Album Finale-So I think this edit is just unique to the OST the way 'Mischief Managed' was for the AZKABAN OST album.We just have to wait till Friday and listen to the finale in the movie to figure it out and also once the CD back scan is properly revealed. However, i could be wrong entirely... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 The action stuff reminds me of Bill Conti's Masters of the Universe score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Just now, Amer said: I still feel the Finale / End Title is basically devised for the album. The Shazam listing referred to it as The Album Finale-So I think this edit is just unique to the OST the way 'Mischief Managed' was for the AZKABAN OST album.We just have to wait till Friday and listen to the finale in the movie to figure it out and also once the CD back scan is properly revealed. However, i could be wrong entirely... Yes, give king mark reason to believe that the film will have an amazing end credits that won't be released for 15 years! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,107 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 1 minute ago, Nick Parker said: Yes, give king mark reason to believe that the film will have an amazing end credits that won't be released for 15 years! hmm make that 6-7 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 KM: Make that 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 About 30 years. Nice round number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 22 minutes ago, King Mark said: Main Title at the end of Finale But the fact that Williams has retitled the Main Title as "Fanfare" makes it seem less out of place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 Is the Fox fanfare going to be in front of this movie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacksonElmore 69 Posted December 18, 2019 Share Posted December 18, 2019 I don't think i've ever heard Williams start a Concert Suite Theme cold open (Except for Jaws) like he does with both of the new themes. Both of them start directly with the motif, no introduction or anything. Seems like he's just cuttin' right to the good shit, cool technique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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