lairdo 726 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 5 hours ago, DominicCobb said: Personally I didn't think so at all. Regardless, their relationship and their connection ended up being central to this trilogy in a big way, romance or not. Williams's biggest missed opportunity on these films if you ask me. Perhaps a miss for JW, but if the filmmakers knew this is where that was going from Episode 7 to 9, I think Williams would have done something or set something up. It's at least a shared miss with Lucasfilm's handling of the directors and story development. There is also a small possibility that JW did not want to make the same accident from Ep 4 when he scored the music as if Luke & Leia would be a couple, and not brother and sister. Cerebral Cortex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I was a bit hasty in saying it's a botched OST. I really don't know what tracks I'd leave out, but I would have made Lando Returns and Rey Training fit. Some sections of Reunion and Finale are useless (Yoda's Theme,Imperial March and SW Main title at the end), so with those bits removed, those 2 highlight cues of the trilogy would have fit..maybe without even removing anything actually Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I would have left out "Anthem of Evil" and added "Rey & Ren Team Up". _deleted_ and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I dunno,Anthem of Evil is pretty Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 It's good, but I think its segment in the end credits is enough for me, as far as that theme is concerned. "Anthem of Evil" has more of a "bonus track" feel to me. Though I do love that eerie choral opening. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I agree that Anthem of Evil is a major weak spot in the album, especially since the theme makes so little an impression. The end credits arrangement is enough for me Tydirium and DominicCobb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 If the cue for the destruction of Kijimi had been on the OST, it would have gone a long way to making the theme have more relevance Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 217 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 DarthDementous and MikeH 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Actually the Prologue cue could have been replaced by better highlights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,998 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Taikomochi said: I agree that Anthem of Evil is a major weak spot in the album, especially since the theme makes so little an impression. The end credits arrangement is enough for me There's a lot more of it in the film. I like the statement Spoiler as Rey approaches the Exegol fleet. I think this might be its final appearance in the film actually (not counting the credits). But yeah, on album it is poorly represented. My favourite statements are featured in the Join Me track. It is a superb cue. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Join Me is the highlight for The Anthem of Evil on the OST. We're all just waiting for a high quality complete release... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Join Me is just a highlight in general! eitam and Bofur01 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 It’s an ok album. Unfortunately there are no major set piece cues. The Rise Of Skywalker is a nice track and fitting theme to wrap up things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Sítrónu 494 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 We Go Together, 1:57–2:08 – is it just me or does anyone else hear a saxophone playing the melody (along with french horns)? Sounds too buzzy for a bassoon, I'd think. Henry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMc 2,674 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 6 minutes ago, lemoncurd said: We Go Together, 1:57–2:08 – is it just me or does anyone else hear a saxophone playing the melody (along with french horns)? Sounds to buzzy for a bassoon, I'd think. Henry Hmmm, the timbre does sound rather buzzy like you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2019 6 hours ago, lemoncurd said: We Go Together, 1:57–2:08 – is it just me or does anyone else hear a saxophone playing the melody (along with french horns)? Sounds too buzzy for a bassoon, I'd think. Henry I can just hear a very prominent bassoon, but I could be wrong. I do like how much more the woodwinds seem to flourish in the mix of this score. Certainly the clearest the section has been in the sequels. Marvellous colours. Henry Sítrónu, Will and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 2:36 - sounds like a callback to Map Room from Raiders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I guess he just repurposed his unused Indy 5 score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,306 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, Docteur Qui said: I can just hear a very prominent bassoon, but I could be wrong. I do like how much more the woodwinds seem to flourish in the mix of this score. Certainly the clearest the section has been in the sequels. Marvellous colours. It's probably my favourite of the 3 sequel scores, mix wise. It's interesting how all 3 sound completely different though, giving them each a different colour. Docteur Qui 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aescalle 122 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I am loving all the new themes, And I am hoping we will get an Isolated track include in the digital release like TLJ. For the End Credits, I don't really understand the use of the Imperial March, without any appearence of Annakin in the movie. I would prefer a larger rendition of the Emperor Theme instead of it or even more the Anthem of Evil theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, aescalle said: I am loving all the new themes, By far my least favourite of the entire franchise. TROS has elevated ROTS for me, score wise. _deleted_ and aescalle 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,306 Posted December 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2019 1 hour ago, aescalle said: For the End Credits, I don't really understand the use of the Imperial March, without any appearence of Annakin in the movie. I would prefer a larger rendition of the Emperor Theme instead of it or even more the Anthem of Evil theme. I suspect Williams just understands (as evidenced by bringing the theme out at every concert for the encore) that fans love the Imperial March and thought it would be a nice gesture to include it on the final soundtrack. Admittedly it makes less sense than the Yoda arrangement on the TLJ OST credits, but what can you do? The other theory (I forgot which poster floated this, but it seems the more likely explanation) is Williams just rolling all the different concert suites he regularly performs into one all-encompassing suite for future concerts, negating the need for separate performances of The Imperial March, Throne Room and Finale, Rey's Theme and The Rise of Skywalker. With this arrangement, he can perform the one suite and cover all four in one go. I just really hope we get something a little more substantial in the next few years, in the same way his revised Han Solo and the Princess followed The Last Jedi. As it stands, the final credits suite is such a monumental missed opportunity and way too copy+pastey for my liking. Not even Rey's Theme is treated to a new arrangement, which is the most shocking part of all (considering the delightful codas he wrote for her theme in the previous 2 films). MikeH, aescalle, Arpy and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted December 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2019 Fair enough. I view all of the new themes as a full stop on Williams’ Hollywood action scoring. There’s nothing as bold or in-your-face as The Imperial March or Duel of the Fates, nor is the romance as sweeping as Across the Stars or Han Solo and the Princess. But for me, it’s one last look at those moods through a mature, often restrained lens. The dominant theme of the final film is one last throwback to the Golden Age of film scores he started in, probably the last time we’ll ever hear it from someone who lived through it. It makes me reflect, rather than feel intense emotions. That’s a great gift he has given me. EDIT - this was in response to Steef’s last comment, can’t figure out how to quote properly on mobile, it’s always so hard Will, Cerebral Cortex and crumbs 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post danbeck 123 Posted December 30, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 30, 2019 On 12/28/2019 at 3:20 AM, DominicCobb said: I will say the fact that they did Reylo makes it more unfortunate than ever that JW didn't create a "Rey and Kylo" theme for TLJ (and TROS by extension). Based on all the passionate praise Williams repeatedly gives Daisy Ridley on his interviews, it is fair to assume he must have refused to provide a love theme for her with another man. DominicCobb, igger6, DarthDementous and 2 others 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 On 12/28/2019 at 3:27 PM, lairdo said: Perhaps a miss for JW, but if the filmmakers knew this is where that was going from Episode 7 to 9, I think Williams would have done something or set something up. It's at least a shared miss with Lucasfilm's handling of the directors and story development. It was clear in TLJ that Rey and Ren had some sort of bond. JW certainly could have picked up on that. But alas, a certain director didn't want spotting sessions with JW. The Star Wars movies aren't as thematically coherent as people would like to think, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,835 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 My wife who has no interest in film music, and has no clue who JW is, has started humming The Speeder Chase. I’ve never been more proud. Tears rolling down my face as I type this. Tydirium and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I really can't believe they removed most of that music from the film but that's why it wasn't included on the FYC. Little did we know at the time that Abrams was still tinkering with the film after they released the first clip. Edmilson and Smaug The Iron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 Yea I was just listening to Speeder Chase as its heard in the film and its got some Falcon Flight tracked in so I can understand why it wasn't on the FYC Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 yeah that cue is messed up in the film.At least the "heroic" section is in Falcon Flight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Can't believe they removed "The Speeder Chase" from the film. Such a spectacular action set piece. I've missed thematic action set pieces from him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 they probably removed it because it's didn't sound modern enough Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,475 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 8 hours ago, Jay said: Yea I was just listening to Speeder Chase as its heard in the film and its got some Falcon Flight tracked in so I can understand why it wasn't on the FYC 6 hours ago, King Mark said: yeah that cue is messed up in the film.At least the "heroic" section is in Falcon Flight 5 hours ago, p0llux said: Can't believe they removed "The Speeder Chase" from the film. Such a spectacular action set piece. I've missed thematic action set pieces from him. There are two crescendos during that scene. 1. Immediately after the "they fly now" dialog. That is scored with what Frank calls the Heroics motif. 2. When Poe destroy an adversary speedster. That is scored with the ending of Speed Chaser. I believe this is the only time the speed chaser theme is heard in the film. If this is truly the case then I think we should consider The Speech Chaser a concert suite. I think that might have been the intention anyways as the ending definitely plays like a concert ending. So along with Anthem of Evil and Rise of Skywalker, it would be the third concert suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I'm pretty sure Williams intended it to play in the film, maybe without the concert ending Will and Arpy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 There are too many sync points for it to be a standalone concert suite. I want someone with editing skills to put it back into the film to hear how it sounds and why they had to cut it. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,630 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 it's like Sherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra or Whirl through the Academy DolceMecha 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,475 Posted December 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2019 If it fit they wouldn't have cut it out. My guess - JW wrote a version of the speed chaser cue for an earlier version of the scene. JJ then tinkered with the scene and recut it. JW adapted to it. JJ again recut it. JW is like fuck it - I am going to my original sketch and writing a concert arrangement for album. JJ baby you can use pieces from it or track music from other places as is your desire anyways. Both agree. JW records his concert arrangement for album. JJ out of respect uses a tiny portion in the film. All sides happy. JJ can fuck the hell off. And we can get a great new piece in the vein of asteroid field. -- Also listen to the full statement at 46s It is basically a full theme - not just an action figure. It has a full 4 phrases in this statement - that's almost too much for what is supposed to be an action figure to use in a chase scene. JW couldn't possibly hope to include such a broad statement in the scene specially when he is competing with loud FX. Methinks this might be an expansion of his original sketch - fleshed out for a concert setting. There is another full statement of the theme at 1:43 - first 3 phrases are intact, 4 has evolved a little bit this time. Again at 2:32 there is a full statement of the theme - first 3 phrases are intact, 4th again has evolved. (And honestly the theme is good enough to be an actual character theme for some other composer. It is good and memorable enough to be the heroic identity of the action hero character in a swashbuckling film for example. It is so easily malleable that the possibilities are endless.) So if you are to consider it a concert setting - this is how the theme is stated - A. Teasing the first 2 phrases B. 1st full statement of theme C. 2nd full statement of theme with some changes D. 3rd full statement of theme with some changes E. last 2 phrases taking a bow in a concert ending setting The piece itself is also just begging to be performed in concerts. It would make an exciting, fast paced and entertaining and fun little performance piece. Jurassic Shark, Cerebral Cortex, crumbs and 4 others 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I love it no matter what it is - concert or no, my second favorite track from the album behind We Go Together. Makes me wonder what else was cut that we still haven't heard or will never hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,051 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 It's clearly a concert arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 It would be great if Williams performed this at a concert. I wish it had more of a concert sounding name though... like Heroic Adventures or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,336 Posted December 31, 2019 Author Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2019 To me The Speeder Chase on the OST is clearly a film cue, with a special, album-only, concert-arrangement-style ending tacked onto the very end of it. I am sure the scene itself was longer than it is in the final film when Williams wrote this cue, which is why the lengths are different. Arpy, crumbs and Docteur Qui 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Then there's the 'They fly now?' clip which sounds different from both the final film and the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 It's pretty similar to the OST version though from what I recall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Really? It seems in the film they dial out the opening of whatever was in the clip then a different portion plays not heard on the OST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 Yes, I know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handz 39 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 So, I listened it around 5 times now. It is a nice music. But as previous two, it is not on par with previous SW soundtracks from maestro. Does he now use a different orchestrator? Most of music from the new Trilogy is so... I dont know, it just not have that rich, colorful orchestration, its all strings and then brass. Anyway, The Rise of Skywalker is really a nice track, love the mood - am I hearing a bit of "Kings row" fanfare there? . What I do not like about this new trilogy music is, it really did not brought any good new theme, nothing even close to Duel of Fates, Across the stars or Duel of Fates. #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 I suppose since he knew LA musicians would be playing these scores and not the LSO, he wrote to their strengths as opposed to the strength of the LSO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 627 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 So how is Scherzo for X-Wings any different from this aside from the name? Did Williams write that as a film cue or a concert arrangement that Abrams decided to use in the film? The film version has its differences but I’m not sure if those are just inserts recorded at a later date or what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,336 Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 "Blowing Up the Oscillator" is the film cue, "Sherzo for X-Wings" is a concert arrangement of that film cue, like "The Forest Battle" was a concert arrangement of "The Ewok Battle" or "The Magic of Halloween" was a concert arrangement of "Halloween" Will and #SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,475 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Perhaps in this case - there isn't really a film cue because we know for a fact that it is all tracked and all there is - is a concert arrangement. Anyways - Comparing the released clip to the OST, this bit at 23 seconds sticks out - Does anyone else think it sounds like the Knights of Ren motif? And if yes, where is it from? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 That bit from the released clip is on the OST track too, though, at 1:24... What are you comparing, between the two? And I don't see how it sounds like the Knights of Ren; the Knights of Ren motif is typically fast triplets in the brass. (See: 1:43 in "Fanfare and Prologue" or 0:40 in the FYC track "To Kijimi".) What you've linked in this video is just a sustained trumpet note, followed by two eighth notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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