p0llux 398 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Couldn't get pass the copyright takedowns on SC. May have to share it via PM. Unless somebody here have other suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Google Video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Let me know if these worked. 03 The Rise of Skywalker (Farewell Edit) - Shorter ending 03 The Rise of Skywalker (Choir Edit) - Concert ending Jay and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Yep, streaming now Nice editing work! I prefer the second option, with the concert arrangement ending after the with-choir statement of the theme. Sounds good! Nice work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Thank you! I'm definitely going with the choir edit version for my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 What exactly happened here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 This happened: On 12/19/2019 at 11:09 AM, Jay said: I wonder if it's possible to replace that section with the Farewell version to create an alternate concert arrangement with choir. rough cut 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 21, 2019 Author Share Posted December 21, 2019 what about including the E.T. like statement in the Finale +Choir statement in an edit . it would sound differemt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 I'm doing my part with this, and have now listened to it twice. I mean, it's quite nice an all, but I'm not getting the hype about this cue. It sounds like something from a sickly sweet climax sequence in and episode of Amazing Stories, where we see the all American hero win the day or something like that. It's... disposable? aviazn and Jurassic Shark 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Quintus said: It's... disposable? Its the Indy 4 of this franchise for me so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 10 hours ago, Quintus said: I'm doing my part with this, and have now listened to it twice. I mean, it's quite nice an all, but I'm not getting the hype about this cue. It sounds like something from a sickly sweet climax sequence in and episode of Amazing Stories, where we see the all American hero win the day or something like that. It's... disposable? What?!! 🙈🙄 Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthDementous 1,059 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 I don't know how someone can say this sounds like Harry Potter when the first 50 seconds especially are like the perfect blend between the sensibilities of the OT and the PT. This is exactly what I imagined the sequel trilogy sounding like when it was announced all those years ago and my imagination was abuzz with the possibilities of a new Star Wars John Williams score. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 22, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 22, 2019 Reposting from Twitter a little analysis I cooked up of this extraordinary piece of music: "Rise of Skywalker" concert arrangement based on two distinct but emotionally simpatico themes, a hymn (A) that's stated in full in the first minute (first woodwind choir, then strings), and a more lyrical, striving melody (B) that is stated over the next minute in strings and horns. The middle the piece is essentially a development section that sequences and composes out the B theme. Midway through, it becomes based on the music from the aftermath of the final battle in the movie.There's a big arrival back on the A-theme at 2:50, now much more fully orchestrated (in the film there's also chorus). This has some developmental qualities too (internal modulation to Db maj before returning to Bb), but overall serves a climactic & recapitulatory formal function. There are a few cadential delaying tactics before the very end, including a great brass chorale that evokes the conclusion of Rey's Theme nicely and a little rebel-fanfare-esque chromatic planing. The final bars make a brief, transformed statement of the B theme. The unusual structure of this piece -- bithematic ternary with some light rotational and developing-variational features -- is characteristic of I guess you could call "late" period Williams SW concert arrangements. "Rebellion is Reborn" and "Galaxy's Edge" work similarly. Watching the way his approach concert arrangements have evolved over time is fascinating. The developmental, dare I say sonata-principle-esque, impulse seems to be getting stronger and stronger the older Williams gets. In terms of melody & harmony, there's a nice mix of old and new here too. The A theme has a Lincoln-y quality, and the B-theme a War Horsey vibe (those tearjerking IV<=>iii progressions!), but I also get some ET, Amazing Stories, Midway, Spacecamp, even Close Encounters...I also hear Williams channeling Brahms quite strongly in the opening section, and echoes of Franck, Saint-Saens, and Prokofiev in the B-theme. As far as connections with Star Wars music, there seem to be some passing echoes of Rey (esp. her chimes), Rebel Fanfare, Jedi Steps, and March of the Resistance in there, plus Yoda/Young Anakin/Rose by dint of the lydian disposition of both A and B themes. Overall -- and my opinion will surely evolve over time -- I think it's an intensely beautiful, well-balanced, & sophisticated piece of music with a direct, heartfelt sentimentality that Williams does so well. Up there w/ Rey's theme as the best concert arr. of the ST. Bayesian, Cerebral Cortex, Tydirium and 11 others 13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 March of the Resistance is also a very good concert arrangement. Bellosh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 11:45 PM, hornist said: What?!! 🙈🙄 Maybe it'll be a grower. After I see the film, who knows, I could end up loving this cue. Affinity by association: the basis for all admired and beloved scoring work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 Since you are a fan of when Williams does a proper set piece action cue with its own set piece theme, The Speeder Chase seems more up your alley from this album than The Rise of Skywalker track. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted December 22, 2019 Share Posted December 22, 2019 On 12/21/2019 at 10:41 PM, Quintus said: I'm doing my part with this, and have now listened to it twice. I mean, it's quite nice an all, but I'm not getting the hype about this cue. It sounds like something from a sickly sweet climax sequence in and episode of Amazing Stories, where we see the all American hero win the day or something like that. It's... disposable? Yeah, I get that. There are times when it crosses into that sickly sweet territory that doesn't do much for me. (BFG was pretty much that all the way through for me.) It's certainly the kind of thing that's well within JW. There's certainly much more interesting material throughout the sequel trilogy. And maybe I'll feel differently about this once I see the film, but…for being the material that sends off the entire series, it's a bit of an emotional wash. It doesn't approach the bittersweet, lump-in-your-throat finales of E.T. or, say, the Journey to the Grey Havens. Or even War Horse, or Attack of the Clones. (That may just be because Abrams didn't give JW much to work with…) Still, I think it's a beautiful addition to the Star Wars canon of soaring string concert suites, alongside Leia's theme, Han Solo and the Princess, and Luke and Leia. By the way, does anyone else hear something that sounds like static or a something crinkly at 3:49? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 5 hours ago, aviazn said: Yeah, I get that. There are times when it crosses into that sickly sweet territory that doesn't do much for me. (BFG was pretty much that all the way through for me.) It's certainly the kind of thing that's well within JW. There's certainly much more interesting material throughout the sequel trilogy. And maybe I'll feel differently about this once I see the film, but…for being the material that sends off the entire series, it's a bit of an emotional wash. It doesn't approach the bittersweet, lump-in-your-throat finales of E.T. or, say, the Journey to the Grey Havens. Or even War Horse, or Attack of the Clones. (That may just be because Abrams didn't give JW much to work with…) Still, I think it's a beautiful addition to the Star Wars canon of soaring string concert suites, alongside Leia's theme, Han Solo and the Princess, and Luke and Leia. By the way, does anyone else hear something that sounds like static or a something crinkly at 3:49? Having seen the film, I agree the Rise of Skywalker theme doesn't hit the emotional poignancy of the other music you mention and I really think that is down to the film itself. The scenes that are meant to be big celebrations and goodbyes are very vanilla and surface. I think JW scores those scenes appropriately. aviazn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post pete 907 Posted December 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2019 It's grown on me these past few days. Really, almost every new piece by a composer or musician I'm a fan of initially feels like an outsider, like it doesn't quite belong ala the new kid in town. But after a certain amount of listens, those new pieces cement themselves in my mind as part of the repertoire. I made a playlist of "nice" Williams pieces such as "Jurassic Park Theme", "Back to America", "Marion's Theme", "A New Beginning", the Star Wars love themes, and some pieces from Ann-Sophie Mutter's CD. and I added "The Rise of Skywalker" and "Farewell" to it multiple times so they would play more often. Last night, I went for a long winter walk listening to that plat list. It definitely now sounds like it belongs on a Williams set list. I had the list playing on random, and I found myself hoping one of the new pieces would come up next. aviazn, Tydirium, artguy360 and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2019 I'm so glad we finally have a Star Wars theme about the beauty of friendship artguy360, Tydirium and Cerebral Cortex 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 So are we still calling the theme heard first in this track and most prominently at the end of "Farewell", the "Rise of Skywalker" theme? Or another name for it? Farewell theme? I assume we're still calling the second theme the trio theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,132 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 8 hours ago, Tydirium said: So are we still calling the theme heard first in this track and most prominently at the end of "Farewell", the "Rise of Skywalker" theme? Or another name for it? Farewell theme? I assume we're still calling the second theme the trio theme. Personally, I've been calling the first "Hymn" and second "Cantilena" -- using the kinds of musical descriptors Williams himself tends to employ, rather than symbolic labels, since I think the way both themes are used is somewhat vague and semantically interchangeable. But I'm always happy to revise once we begin to get a better grasp of exactly when, where, and why they're employed in the score. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 23, 2019 Author Share Posted December 23, 2019 the what, nah...it's the Farewell theme Maybe that's what Williams composed in 1983 for the end of Return of the Jedi before he was told to do Yub Nub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Even after seeing the film, I'm not 100% sure what either theme is supposed to represent. The theme that appears first does seem to be a general kind of "main theme" for our heroes more or less, but though we've been calling it the Trio Theme (referring to Rey, Poe, Finn), it's worth pointing out that Chewie is just as much a part of the group, and 3P0 and BB8 are there the whole time too, so a better name might be in order. But the second theme, the one we first called the "Farewell Theme" after the FYC dropped, I don't know if it's supposed to represent anything specifically. I wonder if JW actually just considers it an evolution, or second half of the same theme as the Trio Theme. Which could be why he combined them into the concert arrangement. No matter how you slice it thought, the "Rise of Skywalker" title doesn't make any sense, neither as a title of the movie itself, nor the concert arrangement. I suppose as a title for the movie, it's supposed to represent Rey choosing Skywalker as her new last name in the final 10 seconds of the film, but neither of these themes play when that happens, and that moment isn't something that's actually built towards throughout the film or anything, and even if you think about any scenes that are directly about Rey and how she defines herself, this theme isn't used for those. The two musical ideas in the Rise of Skywalker concert arrangement are really used for the group of heroes as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Just wanted to point out they actually appear in reverse of the order you mentioned; @Jay. The flutes at the very beginning of the track are playing the ROS theme, and then the strings at 0:26 start the trio theme. But yes, that's a good point about it being more than a "trio" of characters. Maybe the "fellowship theme"? 😜 Lol. I still think they are two distinct themes. This strikes me as a "The Rebellion Is Reborn"-esque arrangement, in that it just takes the two main new themes of the films and works them into a concert arrangement together. The one we've been calling the trio theme does seem to show up for more intimate moments of the main characters. The ROS theme seems to be more of an epic, sweeping yet almost nostalgic theme for the end of the saga. Ever since I first heard that choir-backed version of it on the FYC, that was the sort of vibe I got from it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 I know, when I said "the theme that appears first" I meant appears first in the film itself, not first in the concert arrangement track Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 23, 2019 Share Posted December 23, 2019 Ah, that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post aviazn 273 Posted December 23, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 23, 2019 I have not seen the film (errr I guess spoilers are fair game now in all threads not labeled spoiler free?). But my first thought was that the ROS theme (the first one in the cue) is a loose development of Rey’s chimes, representing her growth as a character. The way it modulates upward reminds me of how the chimes modulate up in the development section of Rey’s theme. And the placement of this theme at the end of The Rise of Skywalker cue directly echoes the very-similarly orchestrated finales of TFA and TLJ that feature Rey’s chimes. The similarities are not as one-to-one as in, say, the Imperial March and Anakin’s theme, so you could argue it’s just a coincidence. But it’s the only thing that makes sense to me right now. The trio theme also makes sense to me as the “trio theme” because it sounds so much like a synthesis of Rey’s theme (the main melody) and Poe/Finn’s theme. Williams has that uncanny ability to write themes that have the effect of evoking other themes without cribbing them entirely, and this one definitely does that for me. Tydirium, Falstaft, Ricard and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 So I finally opened up my physical copy today, and JJ Abrams' liners only refers to three themes Quote But to listen to John's new themes - "We Go Together", or the Knights of Ren theme, or "Anthem of Evil" - is to have unnecessary, further proof that this gloriously wonderful gentleman is apparently, impossibly, endlessly capable of writing timeless, unexpected but somehow inevitable music I actually kind of like the title "We Go Together" as a theme title. JJ might have simply called it that because its an OST album track title, but it's worth pointing out that the scene in the film where the theme (the "trio theme") is introduced IS a scene where our heroes band together to go thwart evil; Rey is planning on going alone, and Poe and Finn come over and tell her "We go together". So I like that name better than the "Trio Theme", since as I pointed out Chewy and 3PO and BB8 are part of the crew too. As for the other half of the theme, or the other them einside the same concert arrangement if you think of it that way, I still have no better name for it than the "Farewell theme" lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Broxton is calling it the ROS theme; curious to see what designation Clemmensen and others settle on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 5 hours ago, Jay said: So I finally opened up my physical copy today, and JJ Abrams' liners only refers to three themes I actually kind of like the title "We Go Together" as a theme title. JJ might have simply called it that because its an OST album track title, but it's worth pointing out that the scene in the film where the theme (the "trio theme") is introduced IS a scene where our heroes band together to go thwart evil; Rey is planning on going alone, and Poe and Finn come over and tell her "We go together". So I like that name better than the "Trio Theme", since as I pointed out Chewy and 3PO and BB8 are part of the crew too. As for the other half of the theme, or the other them einside the same concert arrangement if you think of it that way, I still have no better name for it than the "Farewell theme" lol I think his list is not exhaustive. And the Knights of Ren is a leitmotif not a full theme. I will present my theory about the 2nd theme. I think it represents the concept of hope. Think back to all the times it plays mainly Spoiler 1. When Poe gives his speech about being hopeful. 2. When the command shop is destroyed and Poe is happy again and has hope. 3. For the final shot of the winning Resistance ships returning back - again kinda sorta centered around Poe. I think of it as representing the concept of hope. Forget the name - we can call whatever the fuck we want. But what does it represent? That is much more interesting. The title of the movie actually does not make sense to me. And the theme has absolutely nothing to do with the title at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 I guess the Victory Theme is a good name for it then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 For me the two ideas are friendship and victory. A part and B part of The Rise of Skywalker theme, respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Exactly that's what I'm saying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Actually Victory works fine too. Though as noted above I would like to what CC calls it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, artguy360 said: For me the two ideas are friendship and victory. A part and B part of The Rise of Skywalker theme, respectively. oh weird. I thought it's the reverse. A = Victory. B = Friendship. Hopefully we have the right melody in mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 If we’re talking in what order they first play in the concert piece, A is Victory (culminates in the film with the defeat of the First Order) and B is Friendship (culminates in the film with the group hug) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 398 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, mrbellamy said: If we’re talking in what order they first play in the concert piece, A is Victory (culminates in the film with the defeat of the First Order) and B is Friendship (culminates in the film with the group hug) Yep, that's what I meant. But not sure if the other guys have the same meaning. Maybe I'm reading their comments wrong. I like our profile pics again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Do we have to count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 2 hours ago, p0llux said: oh weird. I thought it's the reverse. A = Victory. B = Friendship. Hopefully we have the right melody in mind. Yes, that is what I meant. It is a little confusing as the concert piece opens with the Victory theme played softly but the first half of the piece is dedicated to the Friendship theme and the second half is dedicated to the Victory theme. For clarity, the Friendship theme is featured prominently in We Go Together and the Victory theme is featured in Farewell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 I like how it starts out with a Star Warsy sound but then leans more to a conventional "Earthly" sounding chord progression as it progresses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nils 35 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 How many times? Lots! And I don’t think I’m done yet. It’s definitely my favorite track on the album - and possibly of the entire sequel trilogy. For me, it’s a much more fitting farewell to 42 years of Williams’ Star Wars music than the somewhat disappointing Finale. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 The Rise of Skywalker theme has grown on me a lot. Credit to @Loert as his piano rendition really helped me hear TROS themes as part of JW's musical language for relationships and bonds while also having distinctive Star Wars touches. I think it is a very fitting theme(s) with an almost meta-layer of sentimentality and a feeling of farewell. Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 You can't just listen to a track on repeat, you have to listen to a face from the beginning to the end. The Old Fashioned way! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Anyone else feel irritation that Williams did not give us two separate pieces for the trio theme and the victory theme? I think with Rose and Luke in Exile - they were both perhaps a bit thin to sustain a 3-4 minute piece by themselves but clearly both the Trio and Victory theme have a lot of meat to them to sustain their concert suites on their own - why then skim out and give us 1 combined? Specially the Trio theme. It is a more complex theme then this suite lets own. Every appearance is slightly different with different phrases etc. after the first common phrase. So we definitely need a more thorough exploration or that theme properly I think. I think the trio theme would be a great classic theme if it were explored at length in its own piece. The Victory theme arguably has a good 3 minutes dedicated to it in this piece so we got most of the juice from it but the trio theme is a lemon that is yet to be effectively squeezed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oomoog the Ecstatic 314 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 On 12/18/2019 at 12:26 AM, King Mark said: I put it on repeat most of the day .At least 15-20 times by now. I love this, it's kind of a mix of theme from Jurassic Park with Harry Potter Ooh I like it. It's more simplistic than tracks from the two scores above but sounds a lot like them. Has more of an Anakin's Theme color and instrumentation. On 12/20/2019 at 12:18 PM, p0llux said: Hmm. That's certainly a fair point, but I'll have to think more on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,654 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 3 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Anyone else feel irritation that Williams did not give us two separate pieces for the trio theme and the victory theme? I think with Rose and Luke in Exile - they were both perhaps a bit thin to sustain a 3-4 minute piece by themselves but clearly both the Trio and Victory theme have a lot of meat to them to sustain their concert suites on their own - why then skim out and give us 1 combined? Specially the Trio theme. It is a more complex theme then this suite lets own. Every appearance is slightly different with different phrases etc. after the first common phrase. So we definitely need a more thorough exploration or that theme properly I think. I think the trio theme would be a great classic theme if it were explored at length in its own piece. The Victory theme arguably has a good 3 minutes dedicated to it in this piece so we got most of the juice from it but the trio theme is a lemon that is yet to be effectively squeezed. Usually I am of the mind to extend themes separately, but in this case, the resulting piece is so gorgeous I have no complaints. It is as if those two themes belong together. That being said, I would not mind if he extended it in some form or another. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Whereas Rose and Luke in Exile are two very clearly different ideas and even contrasting moods (plucky vs. morose), the Trio and Victory themes both seem to be about heroism and both seem to be about camaraderie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 it feels more like there extensions of one another it's not the first time Williams combines themes for a concert version .Hedwig's Theme as the main HP theme and the Nimbus 2000. Harry's Wondrous World has the Friendship theme, the family theme and the quiddich theme... Will and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 It's cool to see how you can hear hints of this theme in stylistically similar passages from TFA and TLJ. The unreleased "friendship cue" from TFA and "The Rebellion is Reborn" (quoted near verbatim in the intro). Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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