Cerebral Cortex 3,357 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 1 hour ago, p0llux said: I did some editing and put together an end credits medley that I would prefer over the current one. I don't know if it's better, but my main goal was to replace the Imperial March and the Main Title music while still preserving the big operatic ending. At the same time also showcasing @heidl's fantastic covers. The transitions from Anthem of Evil to The Speeder Chase & The Rise of Skywalker to the Main Theme are really nice. p0llux 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heidl 356 Posted January 12, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 12, 2020 5 hours ago, Cerebral Cortex said: The transitions from Anthem of Evil to The Speeder Chase & The Rise of Skywalker to the Main Theme are really nice. yep, really cool! Also, thanks for the shou-out! Contrary to popular opinion I really liked JW's inclusion of the main fanfare. It made me realize "yep, that's it. That's the end. He brings it back to where it all started back in May 77'... one last time...". It made me really emotional and I think it's a touching finale. Cerebral Cortex, p0llux, Tiburon and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted January 12, 2020 Share Posted January 12, 2020 Was there ever a recorded version of the alternate ending for the TFA end credits suite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 Yes. DominicCobb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crumbs 14,273 Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 It's so disappointing JW didn't develop Rey's Theme in the TROS finale, just copy pasting an excerpt from her concert suite two films prior (after the amazing final statements in the two prior credits suites). It starts off so promisingly with that unique clarinet piece, too. Her theme doesn't even resolve fully; the final note trails into a segue. Such a bizarre decision given his adoring development throughout the trilogy. And it's not an overly celebratory or joyful rendition either (unlike the lovely, far too short, appearance in Reunion). It carries the same uncertainty and tension as her theme's concert suite, which makes no narrative sense given her character's closure and acceptance of heritage. The strong rendition in TFA's credits convey her character's narrative growth, having (literally) ascended and reached the summit of the mountain she was climbing. The only conclusion I can reach is JW considers the Rise of Skywalker theme (which melodically appears derived from her chimes motif) as an extension of her material, perhaps spelling out this connection by transitioning from her theme into Rise of Skywalker. Perhaps fitting, considering Rey is the titular character in this instance. Bofur01, Cerebral Cortex and Jay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,930 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1. The Rebel Fleet/End Title 2. The Throne Room/End Title 3. The Jedi Steps / Finale 4. Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale 5. Victory Celebration/End Title 6. Finale (TROS) 7. Finale (TLJ) 8. A New Hope and End Credits 9. Augie's Great Municipal Band and End Credits Karol publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 On 12/27/2019 at 1:39 PM, Jurassic Shark said: Really? You dislike Across the Stars? I dislike it. Its hokum. Iit music ti two characters that aren't worth a damn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Not Mr. Big 4,621 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1. The Jedi Steps and Finale (TFA) 2. The Throne Room & Finale (ANH) 3. The Rebel Fleet/End Title (ESB) 4. Confrontation with Dooku and Finale (AOTC) 5. Ewok Celebration & Finale (ROTJ) 6. Augie's Municipal Band & End Title (TPM) 7. A New Hope & End Credits (ROTS) 8. Little Boy & Finale (TLJ) 9. Finale (TROS) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt S. 492 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 1. Throne Room and Finale 2. The Jedi Steps and Finale 3. Rebel Fleet / End Title 4. Confrontation with Count Dooku and Finale 5. Victory Celebration / End Title 6. Finale (TLJ) 7. Augie's Great Municipal Band / End Credits 8. Finale (TROS) 9. A New Hope and End Credits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Falstaft 2,097 Posted January 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 13, 2020 Purely on the basis of the End Credits: 1. ANH - the gold standard, perfectly constructed 2. ESB - three all-time-thrilling statements of principle themes, but not as balanced or iconic as ANH 3. TFA - a thrilling recap of the score 4. TROS - a genuinely new and extended treatment of Anthem of Evil & partially new treatment of Rise of Skywalker themes count for a lot to me 5. ROTJ - lovely transition into L&L, integration of Throne Room into coda. But not in same league as the others. 6. TLJ - not great, but not nearly as poor as people make it out to be. 7. AOTC - the only PT score that has any novel music in the Credits, namely that tiny little coda that alludes to Anakin's theme) 8. ROTS - nothing new besides an embarrassing transition into and out of BoTH 9. TMP - nothing here besides concert arrangements I judge the End Credits mostly on whether they present a genuinely new twist of their respective themes, vs. if it's just music that can be heard in stand-alone concert arrangements. As far as Finales go, I guess it depends on how far you're willing to stretch into the film itself. I don't rank Jedi Steps especially high, esp. not as a finale b/c of the warmed-over ROTS Force Theme ending, but if I include the "Farewell & the Trip," it suddenly becomes like my #1 or #2. But, just in terms of the minute or two of music immediately before the End Credits, my finales are 1. ESB - Finale 2. AOTC - Finale (final version) -- spectacular 3. ANH - Throne Room 4. ROTS - A Home for the Twins 5. ROTJ - Victory Celebration 6. TROS - A New Home (actually prefer this to Jedi Steps, think it's more interesting musically) 7. TFA - Jedi Steps 8. TPM - The Big Parade 9. TLJ - Finale 10. ROTJ - Yub Nub (sorry) Bellosh, BrotherSound, DominicCobb and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted January 13, 2020 Share Posted January 13, 2020 I hate to say it but I think pretty much anyone who doesn't put SW77 first is flat out wrong. One must consider that, when we judge the original film's end credits suite we are actually judging 100% of it, unlike the 8 other end credits suites where the first 30 seconds or so is always just a lift from SW. (not to mention the three suites that lift the end as well). That blast of the end credits, Luke's theme, Rebel fanfare, and rolling thunder combo is the backbone of every episodes' end credits suite and makes the original film absolutely undefeated in this regard. Jurassic Shark and Pellaeon 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,240 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 7 hours ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: 6. TLJ - not great, but not nearly as poor as people make it out to be. Are you counting the album versions for these? I find the film/FYC version of the TLJ end credits to be considerably better, especially losing that brief Yoda’s theme statement that really disrupts the overall flow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,273 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 25 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: Are you counting the album versions for these? I find the film/FYC version of the TLJ end credits to be considerably better, especially losing that brief Yoda’s theme statement that really disrupts the overall flow. The FYC version just tracks music from the film score. The OST version features arrangements Williams recorded specifically for the credits (other than Holdo's Resolve). For that reason, I prefer the OST version because at least Williams made slightly different arrangements rather than track music in (like Mischief Managed and the prequels). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 8 hours ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: 2. AOTC - Finale (final version) -- spectacular What do you mean with final version? 8 hours ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: 3. TFA - a thrilling recap of the score Especially the slightly extended version on the Lockhart album, with the few extra bars of Poe's theme! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,097 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: What do you mean with final version? Why, as opposed to this alternate, of course Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,505 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 30 minutes ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: Why, as opposed to this alternate, of course We so, so desperately need someone to remake this with better samples. #HolyGrails2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,240 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 1 hour ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: We so, so desperately need someone to remake this with better samples. #HolyGrails2020 Is it known if this version was actually recorded at the sessions, or only the revision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falstaft 2,097 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 58 minutes ago, BrotherSound said: Is it known if this version was actually recorded at the sessions, or only the revision? I definitely remember hearing real orchestral snatches of the ending before it transitions into ATS (~4:40) floating around at some point, probably from a DVD menu or Video Game or some such. So pretty sure it was recorded. But someone else can probably confirm. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 11,956 Posted January 14, 2020 Share Posted January 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: Why, as opposed to this alternate, of course You prefer The Imperial March, you mean. Falstaft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,273 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 7 hours ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said: I definitely remember hearing real orchestral snatches of the ending before it transitions into ATS (~4:40) floating around at some point, probably from a DVD menu or Video Game or some such. So pretty sure it was recorded. But someone else can probably confirm. Yes, it's featured briefly in the official Attack of the Clones music video here at 0:51 BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Woods 553 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 On 1/11/2020 at 9:02 PM, p0llux said: I did some editing and put together an end credits medley that I would prefer over the current one. I don't know if it's better, but my main goal was to replace the Imperial March and the Main Title music while still preserving the big operatic ending. At the same time also showcasing @heidl's fantastic covers. Interesting edit. And just for comparisons sake, here's what I did back in December. I too included Speeder Bike Chase, but I also wanted to extend the playing of the Anthem of Evil material before the Speeder music. I also cut down the Speeder music... I didn't want to play the entire piece in the credits. I also incorporated the Cincinnati Pops finale of "The Jedi Steps and Finale" to end the piece credits with Rey's theme but with a more triumphant conclusion without going to the OT trilogy well. -Erik- PS - End Credit Ranking (Skywalker Saga) 1. Empire 2. The Force Awakens 3. Star Wars 4. Jedi 5. The Phantom Menace 6. Attack of the Clones . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . tied for the absolute worst. The Rise of Skywalker, The Last Jedi, & Revenge of the Sith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0llux 392 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Erik Woods said: Interesting edit. And just for comparisons sake, here's what I did back in December. I too included Speeder Bike Chase, but I also wanted to extend the playing of the Anthem of Evil material before the Speeder music. I also cut down the Speeder music... I didn't want to play the entire piece in the credits. I also incorporated the Cincinnati Pops finale of "The Jedi Steps and Finale" to end the piece credits with Rey's theme but with a more triumphant conclusion without going to the OT trilogy well. Oh good work. I also didn't want to play the entirety of Speeder chase, but I couldn't find a good place to end it. I considered The Jedi Steps finale too since it was in the right key near the end of the Victory theme, but I couldn't connect it with the main title ending. So I just kept things simple. I'm glad you found the solution to BOTH of my problems. lol. Erik Woods 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Datameister 2,019 Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 3:35 PM, DominicCobb said: I hate to say it but I think pretty much anyone who doesn't put SW77 first is flat out wrong. One must consider that, when we judge the original film's end credits suite we are actually judging 100% of it, unlike the 8 other end credits suites where the first 30 seconds or so is always just a lift from SW. (not to mention the three suites that lift the end as well). That blast of the end credits, Luke's theme, Rebel fanfare, and rolling thunder combo is the backbone of every episodes' end credits suite and makes the original film absolutely undefeated in this regard. In the broad strokes, this is a totally valid point...but I will point out that Williams rewrote the beginning of the credits for Empire - everything up till the Rebel fanfare. It's still the same idea, but he changed the key signature, he cut off the opening trumpet fanfare rather than letting it continue to the downbeat of Luke's theme, he gave the melody of Luke's theme to the trombones (and woodwinds) instead of the horns (and woodwinds), and he had to reconfigure the trumpet line that ascends up into the Rebel fanfare, which is still in its original key. This new version was retained for every film that followed. The changes are significant enough to be factors in this conversation, as are the differences in the performances and recording/mixing for each film. That being said, ANH is edging it out over ESB for me at the moment, though they're both extraordinary. Cerebral Cortex, Falstaft and Tydirium 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,166 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/13/2020 at 6:35 PM, DominicCobb said: I hate to say it but I think pretty much anyone who doesn't put SW77 first is flat out wrong. One must consider that, when we judge the original film's end credits suite we are actually judging 100% of it, unlike the 8 other end credits suites where the first 30 seconds or so is always just a lift from SW. (not to mention the three suites that lift the end as well). That blast of the end credits, Luke's theme, Rebel fanfare, and rolling thunder combo is the backbone of every episodes' end credits suite and makes the original film absolutely undefeated in this regard. Not necessarily; that's a bit of a flawed argument as the orchestration in that one is different from all the others. It was tweaked for TESB, and all subsequent ones more or less follow suit—I prefer the trombones playing the initial main theme, rather than the horns (and I say this even as a French horn player). The orchestration for the beginning of ANH's end credits actually automatically bumps it down a bit on the list, for me... I much prefer the revised version. 6 hours ago, Datameister said: In the broad strokes, this is a totally valid point...but I will point out that Williams rewrote the beginning of the credits for Empire - everything up till the Rebel fanfare. It's still the same idea, but he changed the key signature, he cut off the opening trumpet fanfare rather than letting it continue to the downbeat of Luke's theme, he gave the melody of Luke's theme to the trombones (and woodwinds) instead of the horns (and woodwinds), and he had to reconfigure the trumpet line that ascends up into the Rebel fanfare, which is still in its original key. This new version was retained for every film that followed. The changes are significant enough to be factors in this conversation, as are the differences in the performances and recording/mixing for each film. That being said, ANH is edging it out over ESB for me at the moment, though they're both extraordinary. Yeah, exactly.^ Sorry, hadn't read your comment when I wrote mine, but I agree 100%. The fact that ANH's orchestration is what it is, is one reason why it's not listed first for me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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