Pellaeon 593 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 The movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 TROS is fine until the 3rd act. Still prefer it over TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 TLJ was not perfect. But some clear creative thought went into it and it promised a route to potentially interesting new(!) developments. TROS was not perfect. The creativity seemed to be limited to "paint by numbers". It didn't lead much of anywhere interesting; let alone new. TLJ wins for me. Bryant Burnette 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 The Last Jedi, by far Bryant Burnette and Cerebral Cortex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Absolutely no contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 On 12/28/2019 at 6:25 PM, Ollie said: TROS is fine until the 3rd act. Well put. Pieter Boelen and Ollie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I’m ok with the post manipulation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kasey Kockroach 2,344 Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 HTTYD3 is better than either one, both film and music-wise. Powell has a better sense of musical storytelling than Williams ever did even in his prime. A. A. Ron, Ollie and Unlucky Bastard 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,493 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 THE LAST JEDI is in a whole other class. But I like TROS better than my colleagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 19 minutes ago, Kasey Kockroach said: HTTYD3 is better than either one, both film and music-wise. Powell has a better sense of musical storytelling than Williams ever did even in his prime. Bait! Bait bait bait! This is KK saying, “please oh please take the bait!” But we’ll resist, won’t we, fellas? A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I find all the Disney Star Wars movies equally boring and forgettable Demodex, Pieter Boelen, SteveMc and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 It's almost NYE, can all these fucking SW threads please be closed now, Jay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jay said: I find all the Disney Star Wars movies equally boring and forgettable #thankyourianjohnson Ollie and Bilbo 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jay 37,346 Posted December 28, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, publicist said: It's almost NYE, can all these fucking SW threads please be closed now, Jay? Simply don't open any threads you don't want to read. And please be polite if you have any requests. Bryant Burnette, 1977, rough cut and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 Close them now. mrbellamy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jay said: I find all the Disney Star Wars movies equally boring and forgettable In the end, they kind-of were. They could've said something. They could've said a lot. About the size of the galaxy. About luck versus destiny. About inclusiveness opposed to "us vs. them". About (and so on and so on). But they didn't. Not really. Unless you consider TLJ as saying something about "making mistakes and learning from them". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 The Theorgthe Lucath filmth are too problematic and offenthive for today'th thothially aware thothiety. Dithney hath created filmth more akthethible for womyn, feminithtth and POC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 We can argue over how successful they were. But there is nothing wrong with creating films more accessible to women. And that message above looks very, very creepy. Bofur01 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMaestraX 106 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I have eliminated them both from my memory banks! Ep. 1-6 are the BEST! Successful? More liked WE were brainwashed by that rodent company! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I like TROS a hair more than TLJ though I like both significantly less than I like TFA. This new trilogy peaked on its first entry for me. I could stomach the re-tread, tropey-ness, and largely unoriginal story in TFA because Star Wars was back, the new characters were fun, and the movie itself had good energy. But both TLJ and TROS continued to re-package and re-interpret classic Star Wars scenarios, archetypes, plot lines, and failed entirely to do anything new beyond new Force powers. This new trilogy was far too concerned with looking backwards, repackaging nostalgia, having some meta-interplay with SW tropes, but didn't look forward enough. jwalk713 and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 False SW fans: Bilbo and Pieter Boelen 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 @Pellaeon What a great idea for a poll. Right now I love both, but I see more flaws in TROS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 3 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said: We can argue over how successful they were. But there is nothing wrong with creating films more accessible to women. Of course there isn’t anything wrong with that, but it’s not like these are great films, nor are the women in them particularly interesting. Rey, Jyn, Qi’ra, and even Leia are just ok in these films. Holdo, Rose, and Phasma are pretty much worthless. Like these movies themselves, these characters are forgettable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I feel Holdo and Rose are a lot more memorable than Q'ira who doesn't really do anything in her movie but watch Han and Beckett do everything. Holdo was heroic in her sacrifice. I don't know why people don't like her. Pieter Boelen and Bryant Burnette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John 2,032 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 I like both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Demodex said: Holdo was heroic in her sacrifice. I don't know why people don't like her. Because her entire look and demeanor seems to have been manufactured to appease a noisy segment of perpetually angry and outraged militant, blue checkmark Twitter feminists, many of which themselves sport similar outlandish purple hairdos. It appeared to work because they seem to fiercely defend the movie en masse. I never once dreamed SW would be dragged into the modern culture wars, which is fundamentally different to Lucas' more tempered and meditative cautionary tales of government coups, corruption and benevolent systems becoming evil empires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Star Trek is easier to understand than Star Wars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bespin said: Star Trek is easier to understand than Star Wars. Except Discovery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 1 hour ago, Þekþiþm said: Because her entire look and demeanor seems to have been manufactured to appease a noisy segment of perpetually angry and outraged militant, blue checkmark Twitter feminists, many of which themselves sport similar outlandish purple hairdos. Seems to have been? To whom? I am not a Twitter feminist nor do I have purple hair, but I accepted her as just another SW character. I never would have thought of this "modern culture war" bullshit if it wasn't for people on the internet expressing their unhappiness with the character. Pieter Boelen and Bryant Burnette 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 6 hours ago, Þekþiþm said: Because her entire look and demeanor seems to have been manufactured to appease a noisy segment of perpetually angry and outraged militant, blue checkmark Twitter feminists, many of which themselves sport similar outlandish purple hairdos. It appeared to work because they seem to fiercely defend the movie en masse. Or more like making her look unassuming so you side with Poe and are surprised with him. Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 40 minutes ago, Holko said: Or more like making her look unassuming so you side with Poe and are surprised with him. Yes! crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post crocodile 8,000 Posted December 29, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 29, 2019 Some of the TLJ is clunky and all. Some of the plotlines aren't as resolved and/or as clear as they should have been. But at least it is the most character-focused film in the franchise. People say nothing happens but almost all the major characters go through a major change. And all these things are consistent with each other as well and, I would argue, with storylines established in the previous films. I hear that Johnson supposedly "ignored" everything but I would beg to differ. I think he paid very close attention actually. I don't particularly "love" this film but it felt like the most enjoyable one, having seen all three three times each at the cinema. It is also much better shot and edited film. It has a clear rhythm. And the music mix is among the best in the franchise. My sister decided to make me a "surprise" last night and invited me to cinema last night. It wouldn't go to see TROS again but we live in different countries and watching SW films together is our long-going tradition. The film seems to improve with repeat viewings but it's also painfully unimaginative. I was glad to hear the score again in context and spot even more details. Karol Chen G., Pieter Boelen, Arpy and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 9 minutes ago, crocodile said: But at least it is the most character-focused film in the franchise. People say nothing happens but almost all the major characters go through a major change. And all these things are consistent with each other as well and, I would argue, with storylines established in the previous films. This! THIS!!! Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,519 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 That! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 TRoS is designed not to hurt or upset anyone - the result is generic and boring. The same story from the original trilogy repeated, it's just realistic to say that TLJ will be more and more appreciated in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 15 minutes ago, Brundlefly said: TRoS is designed not to hurt or upset anyone Its not designed to challenge anyone's opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Which isn’t necessarily a problem. The problem is that it’s on fast-forward: I’ve never seen a movie rush through its own plot so rapidly, and as a result it’s rendered weightless. Poe and Finn give a rallying speech to the resistance - and it just doesn’t land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 They should have just told a different story, really. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 That goes for the whole trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 20 hours ago, publicist said: Close them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 16 hours ago, Bespin said: False SW fans Who are you to judge? 16 hours ago, A. A. Ron said: Of course there isn’t anything wrong with that, but it’s not like these are great films, nor are the women in them particularly interesting. Rey, Jyn, Qi’ra, and even Leia are just ok in these films. Holdo, Rose, and Phasma are pretty much worthless. Like these movies themselves, these characters are forgettable. I agree they could've done better. Far better. Real shame that they didn't. The chance was most certainly there. 5 hours ago, Brundlefly said: TRoS is designed not to hurt or upset anyone - the result is generic and boring. The same story from the original trilogy repeated, it's just realistic to say that TLJ will be more and more appreciated in the future. Yes, it was indeed designed for that. It failed. It failed because it tried to do exactly that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 5 hours ago, Stefancos said: Its not designed to challenge anyone's opinions. Neither should it have been designed to actively dodge that. The latter is basically the definition of bad cinema. 25 minutes ago, Pieter Boelen said: It failed because it tried to do exactly that. And now we have another Return of the Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 If only it was as satisfying in its final beats as Return of the Jedi was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 No, i think it's more satisfying. ROTJ is an awful film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 Those last couple of scenes with Luke and Vader save the movie, for me. Plus, I never lost track of what happened there, which is more than could be said for this film. If anything, Return of the Jedi had too little plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 RotJ opened with too many Muppets. And then teddy bears. Neither were particularly good parts. But the story elements with Yoda, Luke, Darth Vader and The Emperor certainly carried their weight! And the space battle was excellent too. Which makes it... I suppose... half a good movie. Holko and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,651 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 I find the slow speed space chase boring beyond belief (just launch your small fighters and destroy the ships--like you did at the start of the damn thing) The Battle of Crait is not terrible, but it is not all that great either. TROS, while full of holes, is not boring. I like both scores, though TROS is much more engaging. I wish the force theme was featured less in TLJ. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 TLJ is more well-rounded as a movie but so much of it is dedicated to military planning and hard-scifi vehicle minutia. Its sentiment often feels preachy, and is constantly undermined by overabundant quips. TROS is a far more flawed movie but it returns Star Wars to mysticism and old fashioned melodrama. Plus it has the better score, so TROS for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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