John 2,031 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 The concluding chapter of the Skywalker Saga is here! Was it everything you hoped for in a finale and more, or did it make you long for the days of Rian Johnson and his subverted expectations? How did you feel about the latest installment of the Star Wars saga, The Rise of Skywalker? Due to feedback from the poll I made for The Last Jedi, I made a "It was good as hell" choice for those who wish to choose that option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,204 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 It was bad: not terribe, not an abomination of any kind. It has too much polish, enough humour and decent-enough action to keep it well-above trash or anything of that sort. But its still bad. Matt C 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,256 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Its JJ's worst film. The one that rather defrocks him too. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 189 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I enjoyed it. Seeing McDiarmid back again as Papa Palpatine was fun. And we have another great Star Wars score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,256 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Evanus said: Seeing McDiarmid back again as Papa Palpatine was fun. Nothing new was added to the character though. Who's very interesting outside the Prequels. 2 minutes ago, Evanus said: And we have another great Star Wars score! The worst Star Wars score Williams has ever composed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,232 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, Stefancos said: The worst Star Wars score Williams has ever composed. It's much much better than The Last Jedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,256 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 No, i really don't think so. There's nothing like Escape, Canto Bight, The Supremacy, The Rebellion Is Reborn, The Spark. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 6,997 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I liked it, because it ends as I exactly planned... with the exception that Hayden Christensen don't have a cameo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evanus 189 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, Stefancos said: Nothing new was added to the character though. Who's very interesting outside the Prequels. Oh I'm not saying they did anything really interesting with his character, I just like seeing McDiarmid in the role. 1 minute ago, Stefancos said: The worst Star Wars score Williams has ever composed. I disagree, either way it's still fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,232 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 7 minutes ago, Stefancos said: No, i really don't think so. There's nothing like Escape, Canto Bight, The Supremacy, The Rebellion Is Reborn, The Spark. The Rise of Skywalker is a way better theme than the sickly sweet Rose's theme/repetitive Exile theme, and I can think of several TROS action/dramatic set pieces that I prefer to "The Supremacy", "Escape", and "The Spark". TROS doesn't have wacky source music though, so I have to give TLJ the point there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 32,037 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I thought it was a terrible film Love the score though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,506 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 10 minutes ago, Bespin said: I liked it, because it ends as I exactly planned... with the exception that Hayden Christensen don't have a cameo. He talks to Rey I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,204 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 17 minutes ago, Evanus said: I enjoyed it. Seeing McDiarmid back again as Papa Palpatine was fun. I thought I’d enjoy McDiarmid in the film much more than I actually did. Strange. Score’s very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,232 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Jay said: I thought it was a terrible film Love the score though! It may be a terrible film but I enjoyed it way more than than TLJ, which felt like a funeral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,256 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Not Mr. Big said: the sickly sweet Rose's theme/repetitive Exile theme, Rose's Theme is a classic JW character theme! It reminds me of TOD. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 6,997 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Luke Skywalker said: He talks to Rey I think. Not a physical cameo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,204 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Yes, quite lovely, I thought. Just now, Stefancos said: Rose's Theme is a classic JW character theme! It reminds me of TOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,232 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Just now, Stefancos said: Rose's Theme is a classic JW character theme! It reminds me of TOD. It reminds me of a dorkier Anakin's theme minus any of the emotion that theme evokes. A very basic "we're going on an adventure!" feeling that is at odds with the darker storyline of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,256 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Honestly, nothing feels more basic than the new The Rise Of Skywalker piece. Its a bit of a let down actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 8,222 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bespin said: Not a physical cameo! Thank fuck! It's one of the things that makes me unable to fully hate the movie, thinking about how much worse it could have been. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 6,997 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Drink your unicum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasey Kockroach 2,312 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 My skywalker rises when I think about Bryce Dallas Howard. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,256 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Oh Christ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Not Mr. Big 4,232 Posted December 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2019 20 minutes ago, Stefancos said: Honestly, nothing feels more basic than the new The Rise Of Skywalker piece. Its a bit of a let down actually I disagree. The trio theme has this major-key tear jerking quality that you don't often hear in Star Wars scores. It comes close to War Horse/Harry's Wondrous World territory but Williams makes it fit into the Star Wars musical universe. I'd say it's very fitting for the "last installment" of the Star Wars saga. Tom, John and Will 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,256 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Compared to the playful complexity of Rey's Theme, or the exuberant energy of The Rebellion Is Reborn i find it a rather pedestrian let down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balahkay 626 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 It's a meh from me. In regards to the score, I place it above TLJ but still below TFA. Maybe the future expansions of the scores will change my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,442 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 527 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 It was great. - ANH, ESB It was good as hell. - TLJ, TFA It was good. - ROTJ, TROS, Solo It was okay. - ROTS, RO It was "meh" - TPM, AOTC It was terrible. - Holiday special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,204 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 It was great - The Empire Strikes Back It was good as hell - Star Wars, The Force Awakens It was good - The Last Jedi, Revenge of the Sith, Return of the Jedi, Rogue One It was okay - The Phantom Menace It was meh - The Rise of Skywalker, Attack of the Clones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 527 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Chen, I thought you didn't like TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 4,966 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 It was fucking awful. God forbids me of ever wasting 2h of my life watching this piece of shit once again. I'd rather listen to the complete Lorne Balfe discography two times in a row. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,204 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, Demodex said: Chen, I thought you didn't like TLJ. No, I always liked it fine. Something about the glowing praise its getting from its fan always rubbed me the wrong way, though. Most seem to either loathe it ("it ruined Star Wars") or praise it beyond reason ("it was surprising and clever") - no middle ground. I definitely appreciate it even more after The Rise of Skywalker, though. Demodex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 580 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 GREAT - Original Trilogy GOOD AS HELL - Force Awakens GOOD - Ewoks 1-2 OKAY - Solo, Rise of Skywalker MEH - Phantom Menace I DIDN’T LIKE IT - Prequels 2-3, Rogue One TERRIBLE - Last Jedi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 527 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 I just don't see what makes TROS so terrible. Yes, there were things I would have done differently, but my first viewing blew me away and I still enjoyed it on my third. Same with TLJ. I can see being unhappy with the Canto Bight stuff, but the rest is great! JTWfan77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,204 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Terrible is a harsh word to throw around these films, but I don't think the movie is any good. Its often bordering on the incoherent, it rushes through its plot in a way I've never seen before, to the point of sapping itself almost entirely of any sense of heft, and its portrayal of Kylo Ren and his redemption is the point of moral bankruptcy for the entire series. The Last Jedi has issues with it other than the Canto Bight sequence. The First Order being on the heels of the Resistance throughout this film gets old after a while, and is largely responsible for the film's pacing issues, and for my tastes the film is a bit too preoccupied with throwing a few too many curveballs at the audience, and I didn't appreciate the style of humour. The best film of this trilogy remains The Force Awakens. Yes, its a remake of Star Wars, but it throws such a great new coat-of-paint on that film, with its Spielberg-lite long takes, impressive scale and excellent performances that's its hard to fault too much. Plus, it does have an original element in the form of Kylo Ren: a conflicted villain who, unlike Vader, chooses the side of evil by the end of the film. All three are redundant, and - in terms of the story of the series - should never have been made. This summarizes my thoughts on the sequel trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Hilary Bray 235 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 My credits worth is when I saw it on Boxing Day, I left feeling deflated. I don't know what I was expecting (well, halfway into the film I got into my head Christiansen's Anakin would appear as a Force ghost at some point). Managed to avoid spoiler's etc. It was good to see MacDiarmid back but there wasn't enough somehow (I rewatched EpIII last night and without him, that film would not be worth any effort), Lando back in action once more, even Wedge even if it was two seconds and surprised, pleasantly, Ford returned. Funny how the throne room on the Death Star managed to survive in some shape or form on that planet. And we got through this trilogy without one, even flashbacked, glimpse of Coruscant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 439 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 3 hours ago, Holko said: Thank fuck! It's one of the things that makes me unable to fully hate the movie, thinking about how much worse it could have been. That was one of the best fan service bits in ROS. You got to hear Christansen, Neeson, Jackson, McGregor, even several actors from the animated series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,204 Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 Its also a really inane way to "wrap up the nine-film saga." Its kind-of the Infinity War/Endgame approach to "wrapping up a saga" in that they seem to conflate revisiting all the characters with actually wrapping up all of the stories. Its too literal an approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mrbellamy 5,701 Posted December 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted December 31, 2019 4 hours ago, Stefancos said: The worst Star Wars score Williams has ever composed. 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: Honestly, nothing feels more basic than the new The Rise Of Skywalker piece. Its a bit of a let down actually 3 hours ago, Stefancos said: Rose's Theme is a classic JW character theme! It reminds me of TOD. 3 hours ago, Not Mr. Big said: The trio theme has this major-key tear jerking quality that you don't often hear in Star Wars scores. It comes close to War Horse/Harry's Wondrous World territory but Williams makes it fit into the Star Wars musical universe. I'd say it's very fitting for the "last installment" of the Star Wars saga. Not Mr. Big, Arpy, Will and 1 other 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,771 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I feel it has terrific sound and picture quality that would make THX proud. John and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,087 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I liked the film - especially the second time where I was expecting the problems to come through. I think there's certainly missed potential, character arcs left in ruins or mishandled, rushed pacing with so little story to bind it all together. Somehow I still like it, I like the more Expanded Universe feel it has, bringing in elements of The Force that we haven't seen explored. The Reylo development is the strongest part of the film and ultimately that's all that I was concerned with. The score is amazing, it's tied for me in first with TFA for the ST. Cons: Pacing Issues - too much to see and do with no time to take it all in. The things we see and do are a mixture of awesome design and poor placement, why bother showing it if we can't see more of it. The Knights of Ren are fucking useless, like the Jedi who went to arrest Palpatine in RotS. They show up on a mountain and look around like they're lost 'do you guys see anything yet? Nope'. Somehow they get to Exegol and hide behind a pillar and then Kylo dispatches them and that's it. The Knights of Ren, teased since TFA are nothing after all. Death Star Star Destroyer Fleet? Looks cool, but is incredibly stupid. Why is Lando on Pasaana in a tank? He should be lounging about in some palatial space bar. Too much Leia: She's there but she's a one line robot, she doesn't have any full conversations and she's awkwardly placed into shots. Not enough Palpatine. More time on Exegol was needed and Palpatine should've had more of a presence, instead we're told and not shown what this means to the Galaxy at large. Bayesian and Not Mr. Big 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManofDestiny 62 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 I did not, and will not go to see it. Since what Disney gave us in ep8....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,074 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 When I first watched the film I really hated it. But since then it managed to upgrade its rating to "meh". Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTWfan77 1,401 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 People in my theatre clapped and cheered when Reylo kissed and on the iris out. That never happens in my country. The only other time I've seen that is in Endgame when Cap summoned Mjolnir. I'd be interested to know what Rian Johnson would have done with this episode, wonder if he was approached and if so why he declined. Also would like to hear what Colin Tomorrow's take would have been - and how much of the finished product bears his stamp, considering that he got a screen credit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,256 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 #ReleaseTheTrevorrowCut JTWfan77 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Score 714 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 It was "meh" for me. Some visual effects were very good (but this was expected) and some scenes were quite emotional. Acting from the main characters (Daisy and Adam) was very good. The story made no sense at all, neither in itself, nor in the context of the saga, so it was a disappointing conclusion. But the music was very good, so it was worth it! 15 hours ago, Chen G. said: Score’s very nice. Oh, thanks! mstrox 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,394 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 3 hours ago, crocodile said: When I first watched the film I really hated it. But since then it managed to upgrade its rating to "meh". Karol You saw it a second time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,636 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 A solid Meh. Which is a lot considering how bad the writing was. Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,771 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 9 minutes ago, Quintus said: You saw it a second time? I did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTWfan77 1,401 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 4 hours ago, crocodile said: When I first watched the film I really hated it. But since then it managed to upgrade its rating to "meh". Karol So next time you watch it, it will become "okay" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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