Popular Post Jay 37,355 Posted January 9, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 9, 2020 Tracks on JW OST albums that are 100% recorded just for the album: Checkmate The entire album Diamond Head The entire album How To Steal A Million The entire album Not With My Wife, You Don't! The entire album Penelope The entire album other than the title song Fitzwilly The entire album Earthquake The entire album Jaws The entire album The Missouri Breaks The entire album Star Wars Princess Leia's Theme The Fury The entire album Superman - The Movie March of the Villains Love Theme from Superman, though this also plays in its entirety in the end credits of the film after the End Credits cue The Empire Strikes Back The Imperial March Yoda's Theme E.T. The Extra-Terrestrial Abandoned And Pursued E.T. And Me E.T.'s Halloween Flying Over The Moon Monsignor The Meeting In Sicily At The Forum Return of the Jedi Luke And Leia Parade Of The Ewoks Lapti Nek (Jabba's Palace Band) The Forest Battle The River Growing Up The Pony Ride Love Theme from The River The Ancestral Home, though this ended up getting used in the final film From Farm to Factory Young Friends Farewell Home Alone Star Of Bethlehem (Orchestral Version) Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas - this special version of the song specifically recorded for the album (the 2015 La-La Land edition premiered the actual film cue version) Home Alone 2 Somewhere in My Memory Star of Bethlehem Christmas Star Schindler's List Jewish Town (Krakow Ghetto - Winter ’41) Amistad Cinque’s Theme The Phantom Menace Anakin's Theme, though this also plays in the end credits of the film after the End Credits cue Angela's Ashes Angela’s Prayer Plenty Of Fish And Chips In Heaven The Lanes Of Limerick Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Prologue (see more information about the Children's Suite below) Fluffy's Harp (see more information about the Children's Suite below) Attack of the Clones Across The Stars Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Fawkes The Phoenix The Chamber of Secrets Dobby The House Elf Revenge of the Sith Battle of the Heroes Memoirs of a Geisha The Chairman's Waltz Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull The Raiders March (new recording of 1980 arrangement) Call Of The Crystal The Adventures of Mutt Lincoln The People's House With Malice Toward None Elegy With Malice Toward None (Piano Solo) The Book Thief Max and Liesel The Force Awakens Rey's Theme The March of the Resistance Scherzo For X-Wings The BFG Overture The Last Jedi The Rebellion is Reborn The Rise of Skywalker The Rise of Skywalker Anthem of Evil (possibly - no confirmation yet) Tracks on JW OST albums that combine film cues with album-only recordings : The Return of the Jedi Han Solo Returns (At The Court Of Jabba The Hutt) is in actuality a portion of the film cue 3M2 The Big Thaw [0:00-2:47] combined with a portion of the album-only concert arrangement Jabba The Hutt [2:47-end]. The actual full recording of Jabba The Hutt remains unreleased to this day Ewok Celebration and Finale is in actuality the album-only recording Ewok Celebration [0:00-1:56] & the film cue End Credits [1:56-end] Home Alone Home Alone Main Title ("Somewhere In My Memory") is in actuality the film cues 1M2 Home Alone (Main Theme) [0:00-1:04] & 2M2 Banished to the Attic [1:04-1:32] & the album-only recording Somewhere in My Memory (Album Intro) [1:32-2:31] & the film cue 11M4B End Title Part II [2:31-end]. The 2015 La-La Land expansion finally presented just Somewhere in My Memory (Album Intro) & 11M4B End Title Part II together without the 1M2 & 2M2 bits as Somewhere In My Memory, disc 1 track 1. Jurassic Park Theme From Jurassic Park is in actuality the album-only 3M2 Record Intro & the film cue 3M2 The Dinosaurs & the album-only 3M2 Wompi Ending Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Diagon Alley and The Gringotts Vault is really a portion of Children's Suite track Diagon Alley & the film cue 2M4 Diagon Alley Hogwarts Forever! and The Moving Stairs is really the film cue 4M5 The Moving Stairs & Children's Suite track Hogwarts Forever Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban A Window To The Past is in actuality a unique recorder solo & portions of the film cues 7M12 End Credits & 4M3+4 New Woods Walk and Birds Flight & 7M2 Insert A.I. Artificial Intelligence The Search For The Blue Fairy is in actuality a portion of 7M1+2 (Vocal Version) Finding The Blue Fairy [0:00-2:28] & a portion of Theme #2 CD version [2:28-end] Catch Me If You Can The Float is as combination of the album-only 7M4 Front Extension with the film cue 7M4 Frank and Carl with the album-only 7M4 End Extension Recollections (The Father's Theme) is possibly also a film cue with album extensions? Memoirs of a Geisha The Journey to the Hanamachi is in actuality a portion of 1M1 Alt The Opening [0:00-1:58] & an album-only recording called Theme [1:58-end] War Horse Learning The Call seems to combine a portion of 1M7 Learning the Call [0:00-0:43] with album-only material [0:43-1:56] with a portion of 1M8 Whistling Montage [1:56-2:28] with more album-only material [2:28-end] Lincoln The Southern Delegation and the Dream combines the film cues 3M18 The Southern Delegation Arrives [0:00-2:06] and 7M51 Lincoln Responds To Southern V.P. [2:06-3:05] with the album-only cue Prayer (Strings) [3:05-end] The BFG Dream Jars is in actuality a series of album-only flute pieces and some of 4M37 Flute Sweeteners [0:00-2:18] followed by a most of the film cue 2M18 Dream Jars [2:18-end] The Post Mother and Daughter seems to combine the film cue (as heard on the FYC album) with unique album-only material afterward The Presses Roll seems to combine the film cue (as heard on the FYC album, though the ending of Setting The Type is tracked over the end there) with unique album-only material afterward Notes on other OST tracks that look like concert arrangements, or got published for concert performance, etc... but are actually 100% film cues: Star Wars Main Title is in actuality 1M2 Main Title & 12M2 End Titles Superman - The Movie Theme From Superman (Main Title) is in actuality 1M1 Main Title & End Title 1941 The March From 1941 is an edit of 14M2 End Credits Swing, Swing, Swing is a film cue, 7M4 Swing, Swing, Swing Finale is 14M2 End Credits without edits The Empire Strikes Back Han Solo and the Princess is a film cue, 5M4/6M1 Solo And The Princess Raiders of the Lost Ark Raiders of the Lost Ark is 12M2 End Credits Part 2 Marion's Theme is in actuality two film cues, 10M4 En Bateau & 4M2 To Cairo The Raiders March is an edit of 12M2 End Credits Part 2 Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom Short Round's Theme is a film cue, 3M3/4M1 The Elephant Ride SpaceCamp SpaceCamp is the end credits The Witches of Eastwick The Dance of the Witches & End Credits (The Dance of the Witches Reprise) are both identical presentations of End Credits Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade Scherzo For Motorcycle And Orchestra is the film cue 7M2 Keeping Up With The Joneses is the film cue 9M2 Schindler's List Theme From Schindler's List is in actuality 20M3 Placing The Stones Remembrances is in actuality 20M4 Alt End Credits Remembrances (With Itzhak Perlman) is in actuality 20M4 End Credits Theme From Schindler's List (Reprise) is in actuality 20M4 Piano & 20M4 Extension Sleepers Hell's Kitchen is actually the end credits (8M5 New Hell's Kitchen) Rosewood Rosewood is in actuality 1M1 Rosewood & End Credit The Lost World The Lost World is The Lost World (End Credits) Finale & Jurassic Park Theme is a portion of 14m2 The Saving Dart & a new recording of a concert arrangement from the first movie (not recorded during that film's sessions) Saving Private Ryan Hymm To The Fallen & Hymm To The Fallen (Reprise) are identical presentations of 17M2 Hymm To The Fallen The Phantom Menace Duel of the Fates is actually 7M3 End Credits Angela's Ashes Theme From Angela's Ashes and track Angela's Ashes Reprise are identical presentation of the end credits The Patriot The Patriot is End Credits with the ending missing The Patriot Reprise is End Credits with the ending intact A.I. Artificial Intelligence Abandoned in the Woods is in actuality Opening End Credits Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone Harry's Wondrous World is 9M3 End Credits Part 1 Hedwig's Theme is 9M3 End Credits Part 2 Minority Report Minority Report is in actuality 8M2 End Credits Sean's Theme is in actuality 8M1 Alt Piano Version A New Beginning is a repeat of the second half of 8M2 End Credits, with a loop inserted. The Terminal The Tale Of Viktor Navorski is in actuality End Credits Jazz Autographs is in actuality End Credits Part II "Destiny"... "Canneloni"... and the Tale of Viktor Navorski (Reprise) is in actuality 7M4 Destiny... Cannaloni & a repeat of End Credits (edited) A Happy Navorski Ending! is a portion of 5M4 Amelia (already heard in OST track 2) & End Credits Tango Ending (unique to this track) Indiana Jones and the Kindgom of the Crystal Skull Irina's Theme is really just portions of 1M4NR Irina Spalko & 3M28 Russians Reappear & 7M56 End Credit The Adventures of Tintin The Adventures of Tintin is in actuality Tinker-Tin Rev (the third Main Title cue attempted) Snowy's Theme is in actuality Snowy's End Title The Secret of the Scrolls is in actuality a bunch of film cues edited together The Adventure Continues is in actuality Dueling End Title Lincoln Freedom's Call is actually 7M60 Hymm Version [0:00-4:46] followed by 7M52v3 Lincoln's Battlefield Visit [4:46-5:55] and the final chord of 4M30v2 The Telegraph Office [5:55-end], which incidentally is also heard at the end of OST track 2. These scores are confirmed to have nothing recorded specifically for album use Close Encounters of the Third Kind Jaws 2 Dracula Empire of the Sun Always Stanley & Iris Hook Far and Away War of the Worlds Not yet factored into this list / I've never analyzed these albums at all: Cinderella Liberty The Eiger Sanction Images The Towering Inferno The Accidental Tourist Born on the Fourth of July Presumed Innocent JFK Sabrina Nixon Seven Years in Tibet Stepmom Munich The rest of the film scores JW composed had no OST album, so everything released when the specialty labels got to them was recorded for film use (as far as we know). crlbrg, Obi, fommes and 11 others 4 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 36 minutes ago, Jay said: Battle of the Heroes Wasn't that mostly edited together from bits and pieces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Thanks for this. So am I understanding correctly that for the various "the entire album" ones—that those were all recorded separately from the actual film score cues, specifically for the purpose of putting together an album? I notice that those are the earlier scores; is that just how OSTs were typically done back then before digital editing was a thing? Or was this just Williams' preference back then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Wasn't that mostly edited together from bits and pieces? Nope. It's a unique composition titled "Revenge of the Sith (DVD Version)" in the sheet music. It is, of course, based on the film cues for their fight, like how Battle in the Forest or Scherzo for X-Wings are concert arrangements based on film cues too 4 minutes ago, Tydirium said: Thanks for this. So am I understanding correctly that for the various "the entire album" ones—that those were all recorded separately from the actual film score cues, specifically for the purpose of putting together an album? Yup Quote I notice that this seems to be mostly with his earlier scores; is this just how OSTs were typically done back then Yup Quote Or was this just Williams' preference back then? I think it was just what happened with most scores at the time for the most part Tydirium and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Interesting. In that case, for playlist purposes I may only include one or two tracks from those, that seem to be more theme-centric (the sort of tracks that, had the rest of the album been film cues/film cues stitched together like for his later scores, they still would have been recorded separately and included). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 40 minutes ago, Tydirium said: I notice that those are the earlier scores; is that just how OSTs were typically done back then before digital editing was a thing? Or was this just Williams' preference back then? When the entire album was a re-recording, money was often an important factor. The costs were reduced by re-recording abroad and/or by using a smaller ensemble to avoid or reduce the union fees. This was quite common in the sixties and seventies. 38 minutes ago, Jay said: Nope. It's a unique composition titled "Revenge of the Sith (DVD Version)" in the sheet music. It is, of course, based on the film cues for their fight, like how Battle in the Forest or Scherzo for X-Wings are concert arrangements based on film cues too Interesting. How long has this been known, and do we know what DVD version refers to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 A lot of times, they were recording the film cues just to be good enough for the film's mono film mix with no other concerns. Then if an album was going to be an option, they'd rearrange and extend some film cues and record that in stereo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 8 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: When the entire album was a re-recording, money was often an important factor. The costs were reduced by re-recording abroad and/or by using a smaller ensemble to avoid or reduce the re-use fees. This was quite common in the sixties and seventies. Interesting, and makes sense. Not the 60s or 70s, but would Broughton's THE BOY WHO COULD FLY be an example of this phenomenon? The initial 1986 album was actually a re-recording, done with the Sinfonia of London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Just now, Tydirium said: Interesting. Not the 60s or 70s, but would Broughton's THE BOY WHO COULD FLY be an example of this phenomenon? The initial 1986 album was actually a re-recording, done with the Sinfonia of London. I'm not familiar with that one, but it seems to fit the bill, being a smaller foreign ensemble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig 1,120 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 @Jay has made a pretty fantastic list there! @Falstaft (hiatus til TROS)'s Star Wars catalogue also has more information on the concert arrangements like what themes are used, if the piece differs from or is similar to a cue in the film, and details about further arrangements, recordings, and so on. An essential resource for those interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Here’s how I listen to them: Star Wars: I used to have Leia’s Theme at the top of my playlist, i.e., preceding the film score as an overture. Later I removed it from the film score playlist because I compiled a separate playlist of the concert suite. Lately I have been thinking of re-including it after TIE Fighter Attack (where the 93 Anthology places it), because it does nicely break up all the action cues. Empire: I currently have Imperial March, Yoda’s Theme, and Han Solo and the Princess (Gerhardt) at the top of the playlist, again as a rather extended overture, followed by the film score. This is basically how I arrange most of my playlists. E.T.: E.T. and Me, Flying, and Over the Moon, followed by the film score. (I didn’t think the other OST tracks were very different from the film score tracks.) Jedi: Parade of the Ewoks, Luke and Leia, and Jabba the Hutt (Skywalker Symphony) as overture, followed by the film score, in which I integrate Lapti Nek and At the Court and Ewok Celebration as if they were film cues. Force Awakens: I skip the OST altogether, and listen to the FYC and a separate, maximal concert suite assembly (Lockhart plus a few other things). Solo: I move The Adventures of Han to the end of the playlist. Meet Han is a perfect album opener. Adventures of Han is much better as a finale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 @Jay Really cool! What about “Duel Of The Fates” from The Phantom Menace? Should that be in the “sounds like a concert piece but ain’t” list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 Woops just a pure oversight, TPM is added now! I encourage all further additions and inquiries! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pellaeon 593 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 The Adventures of Han? Has it been ruled out that it was ever intended as an end credits suite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Hm, regarding DOTF, I guess I'm just confused as to whether this is a case of the chicken or the egg: do we know that the piece was only recorded as part of the end credits, and was then later extracted into just a track of its own—or was it recorded as a concert piece first, and then inserted into the credits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rough cut 1,714 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 @Jay I was also thinking about Harry’s Wonderous World from “HP1”? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Pellaeon said: The Adventures of Han? Has it been ruled out that it was ever intended as an end credits suite? I only included films he scored himself, so skipped past Solo A Star Wars Story and Yes Giorgio I would say Adventures of Han is JW's own concert arrangement of the 2 themes he wrote for Powell to integrate into his score. it was recorded in LA conducted by JW while the rest of the score was conducted by Powell in London. 1 hour ago, Tydirium said: Hm, regarding DOTF, I guess I'm just confused as to whether this is a case of the chicken or the egg: do we know that the piece was only recorded as part of the end credits, and was then later extracted into just a track of its own—or was it recorded as a concert piece first, and then inserted into the credits? Duel of the Fates was written and recorded as 7M3 End Credits, and 7M3 End Credits Insert was written to bridge from Augie's to it, like is heard on the OST album and in the film. They also recorded the end of the original End Titles from SW77 at the TPM sessions as well, but that went unused and they put Anakin's Theme in to end the end credits of the film and OST, leaving the new recording of SW77 end credits unreleased (but it turned up in video game files) 1 hour ago, rough cut said: I was also thinking about Harry’s Wonderous World from “HP1”? That's simultaneously both 9M3 End Credits Part 1 from the film AND the final piece of the Children's Suite. It's impossible to know which it was conceived for first, I suppose, but I consider it to be something he first wrote for the end credits and later realized it would make a good ending to the suite as well. The Children's Suite from Harry Potter is: I. Hedwig's Flight, released as OST 01 where it was renamed "Prologue" (so that name had to be retained on the La-La Land expansion) II. Hogwarts Forever, partially (no clean opening) released within OST track 9 as the second part of "Hogwarts Forever! and The Moving Stairs" III. Voldemort, unreleased until the La-La Land expansion (disc 3 track 3) IV. Nimbus 2000, unreleased until the La-La Land expansion (disc 3 track 4) V. Fluffy And His Harp, released as OST 14 where it was renamed "Fluffy's Harp" (so that name had to be retained on the La-La Land expansion) VI. Quidditch, unreleased until the La-La Land expansion (disc 3 track 6) VII. Family Portrait, unreleased until the La-La Land expansion (disc 3 track 7) VIII. Diagon Alley, partially released within OST track 5 as the first part of "Diagon Alley and The Gringotts Vault" IX. Harry's Wondrous World, which is basically "9M3 End Credits Part 1" from the film cues, except with a new ending. The OST's track 2 "Harry's Wondrous World" presents "9M3 End Credits Part 1" with the original ending as written for the film, but there is a microedit omitting a small section. "Harry's Wondrous World (Extended Version) from the La-La Land expansion is the full cue without that microedit. The new ending written for the Children's Suite but never recorded at the HP1 sessions was recorded at the HP2 sessions, and released on THAT OST album's "Harry's Wondrous World" from 4:44-end. On the La-La Land expansion of HP1, this hybrid track is used on disc 3 despite partially containing that HP2 recording because JW requested it; originally Mike had Harry's Wondrous World (Extended Version) there instead to keep all 3 discs entirely HP1 recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 What about HOOK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted January 9, 2020 Author Share Posted January 9, 2020 Added it to that second list. It's 100% film cues. The concert arrangements he wrote for Hook unfortunately never got recorded by him until the Williams on Williams album in 1995. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 9, 2020 Share Posted January 9, 2020 Cool, thanks. EDIT: What about "Theme from Angela's Ashes"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Is "Hell's Kichen" from SLEEPERS a concert arrangement? Have never seen the film so I'm not familiar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted January 22, 2020 Author Share Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 5:51 PM, Tydirium said: What about "Theme from Angela's Ashes"? I believe both track 1 "Theme From Angela's Ashes" and track 18 "Angela's Ashes Reprise" are identical presentation of the end credits, and the album-specific concert arrangements are only the 3 tracks listed in the main post. 34 minutes ago, Tydirium said: Is "Hell's Kichen" from SLEEPERS a concert arrangement? Have never seen the film so I'm not familiar. I believe the Sleepers OST is comprised entirely of film cues but not 100% sure. @Romão would know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted January 22, 2020 Share Posted January 22, 2020 Thanks; that makes sense. As for "Hell's Kitchen", I ask because I just saw a couple reviews which referred to it as a concert arrangement, but I wasn't sure if they were accurate. EDIT: Either way, apparently Williams has performed it as an encore. Would be curious to know if the version he played live was any noticeably different from the OST one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 6:14 PM, Jay said: The Phantom Menace Anakin's Theme, though this also plays in the end credits of the film after the End Credits cue Well actually... On my last listen to the Demaster track 3 really sounded like it started with a fadein so I checked... That looks pretty identical to me beside the slightly different volume level. Maybe a different take with the exact same timing and orchestration but just compare the transition bit in the credits with Demaster track 3, that's totally just the credits bit chopped off with a fadein. So it should probably be counted the same as On 1/9/2020 at 6:14 PM, Jay said: The Phantom Menace Duel of the Fates is actually 7M3 End Credits Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 907 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 On 1/23/2020 at 7:54 AM, Tydirium said: Thanks; that makes sense. As for "Hell's Kitchen", I ask because I just saw a couple reviews which referred to it as a concert arrangement, but I wasn't sure if they were accurate. EDIT: Either way, apparently Williams has performed it as an encore. Would be curious to know if the version he played live was any noticeably different from the OST one... I'm 99% it was the same. I don't recall noticing any differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 this is the third playlist I need to make after "non OST concert arrangement" and "star wars" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 He performed it with the LSO once in the ancient 1990's, didn't he? That means perhaps @Naïve Old Fart might know? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 Heh, I forgot I made this thread! 3 hours ago, Holko said: Well actually... I think you misinterpreted my post; I was saying that Anakin's Theme was recorded specifically for the album, but then got tracked into the final film's end credits anyway, basically the exact same situation as Love Theme from Superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Huh. Do we know where the low note connecting DotF and Anakin in the credits comes from? And why JW didn't write a full credits suite like he's always done? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 I mean, he did write music specifically for the end credits, that's what Duel of the Fates is, and he wrote that new end credits bridge to get from the 77' end credits directly into DOTF. As for why he didn't do a medley of other themes for after the DOTF cue ends instead of using only the Anakin's Theme arrangement, I doubt we'll ever know why that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,523 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 2 hours ago, crocodile said: He performed it with the LSO once in the ancient 1990's, didn't he? That means perhaps @Naïve Old Fart might know? Karol Do you mean HELL'S KITCHEN? As far as I remember, it was a straight lift from the OST. crocodile 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 Hell's Kitchen is a film cue, it's 1M4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,439 Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 If Duel of the Fates is the end credits, what exactly did JW recorded for the actual duel between Obi-Wan, Qui-Gonn and Darth Maul? Was a film cue based on Duel of the Fates? And was that used? Because, if I'm not wrong, the movie uses portions of the DOTF end credits suite for the battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 John Williams wrote normal film cues for the entire movie, George Lucas just replaced portions of some of them with tracked in music from the end credits cue Specifically, the names of the cues for the third act are: 6M1 The Armies Face-Off 6M2 Lazer Fight 6M3 Take To Your Ships 6M4 The Big Army 6M4A The Fight Begins 6M5 Droid Battle 6M6 Up the Wire 6M7 The Great Dual 6M8+9 Qui-Gon's Noble End 6M10 Blowups and the Death of Darth Maul 6M11 New End of Darth Maul 7M1 After the Victory 7M1A Qui-Gon's Funeral 7M2-New Augie's Great Municipal Band Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,439 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 4 hours ago, Jay said: 6M7 The Great Dual Did this cue ever leaked? I'm curious to see how's that music, considering most of the actual duel was scored with the end credits piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Holko 9,526 Posted June 7, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted June 7, 2020 I think it's better and more film score cue-like. Smaug The Iron, Edmilson and Jay 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,439 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Yeah, it's indeed better and maybe even more "epic" than the concert arrangement for the credits. Lucas should've stick with that instead of tracking the end credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Well, it isn't all that different from what is heard in the movie except it suddenly stops, which I don't exactly care for. I associate the ending with the Episode One video game. It's pretty cool how the ending of the concert version is used when the fighting stops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 11 hours ago, Jay said: Hell's Kitchen is a film cue, it's 1M4 As far as I remember, the track named “Hell’s Kitchen” on the OST is actually the end credits cue. It was performed live as a concert piece first at Tanglewood in 1996 and then in London in 1998. 3 hours ago, Edmilson said: Yeah, it's indeed better and maybe even more "epic" than the concert arrangement for the credits. Lucas should've stick with that instead of tracking the end credits. Reel 6 got heavily re-edited several times. The version Williams wrote his music to was already different than the one he had during the recording, so he had to do several podium changes. However, Lucas and Burtt continued to change and re-edit that reel well after scoring was done, so it’s likely that what JW recorded didn’t fit the film anymore. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-Wan 65 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 13 hours ago, Jay said: 6M7 The Great Dual Here is the documentary about the recording of this cue: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 Yea that's how we had (most of) that cue clean since it wasn't all in videos games iirc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Can't wait to get a punchy mix with proper clarity and layer separation instead of this muddyness! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,439 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 6 hours ago, TownerFan said: Reel 6 got heavily re-edited several times. The version Williams wrote his music to was already different than the one he had during the recording, so he had to do several podium changes. However, Lucas and Burtt continued to change and re-edit that reel well after scoring was done, so it’s likely that what JW recorded didn’t fit the film anymore. And even with all these changes the music that Williams wrote for climax is absolutely stunning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 515 Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 6:14 PM, Jay said: Home Alone Main Title ("Somewhere In My Memory") is in actuality the film cues 1M2 Home Alone (Main Theme) [0:00-1:04] & 2M2 Banished to the Attic [1:04-1:32] & the album-only recording Somewhere in My Memory (Album Intro) [1:32-2:31] & the film cue 11M4B End Title Part II [2:31-end]. The 2015 La-La Land expansion finally presented just Somewhere in My Memory (Album Intro) & 11M4B End Title Part II together without the 1M2 & 2M2 bits as Somewhere In My Memory, disc 1 track 1. Where can I find the complete cue list for Home Alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 Nowhere that I'm aware of Smaug The Iron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 1/22/2020 at 5:28 PM, Tydirium said: Is "Hell's Kichen" from SLEEPERS a concert arrangement? Have never seen the film so I'm not familiar. On 1/22/2020 at 5:50 PM, Jay said: I believe the Sleepers OST is comprised entirely of film cues but not 100% sure. @Romão would know! On 1/22/2020 at 5:54 PM, Tydirium said: As for "Hell's Kitchen", I ask because I just saw a couple reviews which referred to it as a concert arrangement, but I wasn't sure if they were accurate. On 6/6/2020 at 4:55 PM, Jay said: Hell's Kitchen is a film cue, it's 1M4 On 6/7/2020 at 4:33 AM, TownerFan said: As far as I remember, the track named “Hell’s Kitchen” on the OST is actually the end credits cue. TBF, I was only looking at the Sleepers cue list posted here: https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/20819-the-complete-cue-lists-thread/&do=findComment&comment=1639623 Which doesn't indicate any album specific recordings, nor an end credits composition. Of course, it could simply be that all the sheets didn't leak, I have no idea. I also didn't notice until now that 1M4 AND 8M5 NEW are both titled Hell's Kitchen... and of course, JW renames stuff for OST albums all the time. Maybe someone with the sheets can figure out what's on the OST? @BrotherSound maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 On 1/9/2020 at 6:14 PM, Jay said: These scores are confirmed to have nothing recorded specifically for album use Images I believe the cue "Blood Moon" was originally recorded for the planned album because it doesn't appear anywhere in the film and it truly sounds like a concert-ized version of the main thematic subject of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 Interesting! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Jay said: I also didn't notice until now that 1M4 AND 8M5 NEW are both titled Hell's Kitchen... and of course, JW renames stuff for OST albums all the time. Maybe someone with the sheets can figure out what's on the OST? @BrotherSound maybe? 8M5 New is the Hell's Kitchen track on the album. It appears to have been written solely as a concert arrangement, since JW wrote only "Hell's Kitchen" on the sketch, but someone else added the 8M5 New. There’s no sync points, in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 Interesting! I'm sure what happened was, then, was that as post-production went on, the 9 reel film shrunk to an 8 reel film, so 8M5 NEW was actually the final slate of the end credits. Neat! Main post updated. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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