Romão 2,274 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 minute ago, mrbellamy said: Teeeeeeechnically South Korea is the winner of International Feature, unless they’ve changed it. Yeah, but who actually gets the statuette? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Just now, Romão said: Yeah, but who actually gets the statuette? 2 minutes ago, Romão said: Yeah, but who actually gets the statuette? The country. The director accepts it on the country's behalf. So in actuality, Bong has just won 3 Oscars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 The government or national film office, I guess, is usually the recipient? I know sometimes they’re displayed in capitol buildings or museums. But apparently since 2014 the director’s name is engraved along with the country so maybe give his record an asterisk and call it even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Tydirium said: @Koray Savas, why didn't I see a "Misandrist much?" comment about Gal Godot & Brie Larson saying that men would only be permitted in their fight club if "no shirts allowed"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr. Breathmask said: Good for her! And that score was very effective in the film! That's good, because listening to it, it sounds like noisy crap. "It works in the film" is a phrase that should be forbidden to ever be cited as praise for a score. 11 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: Stop it, you're embarrassing yourself. No adult is communicating in GIFs. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 jokerdance.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 2 hours ago, Koray Savas said: But... why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 He doesn't know how to answer that. It doesn't fit his male saviour narrative. TSMefford and Tydirium 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Yeah, I'd really be curious to know why it's misogynist to "objectify" women, but it's somehow not misandrist to objectify men? The fact that he replied with a GIF, when he could have simply said "Yeah, that's messed up too" to stay consistent and not have a double standard, is telling. Why not just say that? (I don't actually think either is bad, and had no problem with the "no shirts allowed" comment; I just loathe double standards like this.) Unlucky Bastard and Chen G. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 So has JW won yet? Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 9 minutes ago, Tydirium said: Yeah, I'd really be curious to know why it's misogynist to "objectify" women, but it's somehow not misandrist to objectify men? The fact that he replied with a GIF rather than simply say, "Yeah, that's messed up too" to stay consistent and not have a double standard, is telling. (I don't actually think either is bad.) Likely he'll meander on about "false equivalence" or something "because men are more powerful than women, therefore are fair game" to perpetuate some twisted "gendehh ekwahlityyy" logic. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 I dont get the buzz for Parasite. I have seen it and it is nothing special tbh. I dont know, is it because Hollywood hasnt seen a kind of social juxtaposition thats being presented in the movie or not? ( because i live in SE Asia and those kind of social disparity is our daily consumption; further proof those Hollywood liberals , as per Ricky Gervais said, is out of touch of the real world) One thing for sure, Oscar and other awards, onward, will prefer to bestow an award for POLITICALLY CORRECT movie, not because of one’s merits ( oscar be like: “hey i give South Korean’s movie the top prize, am i not diverse enough?, this is yuge, this has never been done before!”) Well i know the underlying message of this political practice is good ( about representation, about how everyone, no matter their race and creed, can also succeed, etc etc), but it is sad nonentheless oh well,.. Bayesian, John and Tydirium 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 12 minutes ago, PrayodiBA said: I dont get the buzz for Parasite. I have seen it and it is nothing special tbh. Then it is no less deserving than any of the other nominees. Fabulin and Tydirium 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_deleted_ 203 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 So musically, joker is better than the finale of star wars. The Oscars is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 At least the whole Star Wars hullabaloo is over now and hopefully the most vocal/demented fanboys silenced for a while. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 13 minutes ago, publicist said: Then it is no less deserving than any of the other nominees. Well, tbh ,Parasite itself is not movie made for politically correct reason. Director's previous movies Okja, Snowpiercer etc also deal with the same issue, so in that case. lets assume its labor of love/ trademark for the director to do these kind of movies. But IMO, in the end, Parasite is not that special of a movie. It's the practice of AMPAS members awarding a movie based on political reasons that i hate. The Irishman, 1917, Once Upon, Marriage, are movies stem form director's passion and not made for political reasons, and they are also a better movie. But dont tell the Academy, because they prefer to pat themselves in the back like a good boy they are. Not Mr. Big and John 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 They are not. It's just your personal bias. All things considered (politics included), they chose the right winner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 5 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: Gotta say - my god is Hildur a sight for the eyes! The best looking composer to ever win a Best Score Oscar? It's the Nordic genes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 4 hours ago, gkgyver said: "It works in the film" is a phrase that should be forbidden to ever be cited as praise for a score. But, surely, the true test of a film score is how it works in the film, rather than on an album? Arpy and Koray Savas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrayodiBA 517 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 minutes ago, publicist said: They are not. It's just your personal bias. All things considered (politics included), they chose the right winner. Yup, i know it is. Im just quite angry with the result. Oh well, all things considered, i think the general consensus, people love Parasite. Especially AMPAS members, ...or do they? do they even see the screeners given to them? were they suggested by their peers to do the politically correct things? the preferential ballot system practiced by the academy is a one of a kind system by itself. So only God knows. Anyway, time for me to move on, and see how 2021 Oscar will fare. #TheIrishmanIsTheBestPictureIMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 DrTenma 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, Chen G. said: But, surely, the true test of a film score is how it works in the film, rather than on an album? Yeah, but according to whom? Misguided filmmakers pleasing misguided audiences? Mind you, i'm only playing devil's advocate, but to me it's apparent that all too often 'composers' are glorified sound designers (Hildur, Johannsen before her) and that whatever they offer may have a great cumulative effect, but a really cutting-edge Goldenthal score, for instance, still would have been a hundred times better as music AND especially as a musical score. 1 hour ago, PrayodiBA said: Anyway, time for me to move on, and see how 2021 Oscar will fare. #TheIrishmanIsTheBestPictureIMO That would have been a true pity win. A lame movie, at least 30 minutes too long and full of redundant retreats of ground (more than) well-covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 According to the fact that the primary purpose of a film score is to support the film. Chen G. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Knockout argument. read above, according to *WHOM*? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 According to logics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Film scores weren't meant for films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,511 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 The primary function of a film score is to support the narrative of a film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 35 minutes ago, publicist said: Knockout argument. read above, according to *WHOM*? Top... men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Obviously! Btw, and what about women and other minorities? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Parasite is about the increasing gap between poor and rich. The Oscar is clearly a political message. Tydirium and handz 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 4 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Parasite is about the increasing gap between poor and rich. The Oscar is clearly a political message. Why is the Academy full of wealthy Communists? Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Because Hollywood is the perfect marriage of art & commerce. A24 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handz 39 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Chen G. said: But, surely, the true test of a film score is how it works in the film, rather than on an album? Amen to that. Even the most mediocre music usually does work for the film. I did not remember any of the music the second I left the cinema - what I was remembering a lot were the SONGS - thats how "good" the score was. Oscars are a joke lately. And yes, the fact the composer is a woman played a role for sure. 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: The primary function of a film score is to support the narrative of a film. This is not what should be the point of interest - as every music in every A movie does this, as this is a basic requirement. If the music support the narrative BUT also stands out as a good music - being memorable, having emotional impact - than the score is good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chen G. 3,949 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: The argument that considers the end effect as heard in the film as the only, or the highest measure, is retarded. And yet its true. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, First TROS March Accolyte said: The argument that considers the end effect as heard in the film as the only, or the highest measure, is retarded. Give the best score awards to the sound mixers then! That's quite literally the criterion for the academy for the best score category. It very explicitly is music as heard in the film. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, handz said: this is a basic requirement It's the requirement, and it varies how well it's achieved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,651 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Wow, I did not quite expect a trainwreck when I came back into the thread this morning. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,074 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 On JWFan you have to expect anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 3 hours ago, publicist said: Yeah, but according to whom? Misguided filmmakers pleasing misguided audiences? Mind you, i'm only playing devil's advocate, but to me it's apparent that all too often 'composers' are glorified sound designers (Hildur, Johannsen before her) and that whatever they offer may have a great cumulative effect, but a really cutting-edge Goldenthal score, for instance, still would have been a hundred times better as music AND especially as a musical score. I don't know. That sounds pretty reductive. I think it's possible to be both "cutting-edge" and have real structural and musical integrity in the context of a more "ambient" aesthetic. I mean, I agree that it is easy, and probably quite seductive to lean exclusively on the "novelty" of sound and let the film do all the work by means of imbuing said sound with structure and intent. But there are still composers who have been playing with the capacity for sound through real musical structures. And Johannsson was clearly one of them. Romão and Koray Savas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Is it any real loss if a score is unlistenable in isolation from the film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 31 minutes ago, KK said: I don't know. That sounds pretty reductive. I think it's possible to be both "cutting-edge" and have real structural and musical integrity in the context of a more "ambient" aesthetic. I mean, I agree that it is easy, and probably quite seductive to lean exclusively on the "novelty" of sound and let the film do all the work by means of imbuing said sound with structure and intent. But there are still composers who have been playing with the capacity for sound through real musical structures. And Johannsson was clearly one of them. I agree. And Johannsson would've delivered interesting things for Dune, I'm sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 33 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said: Is it any real loss if a score is unlistenable in isolation from the film? No, it's just all the more reason the rewatch the movie. 3 minutes ago, Romão said: I agree. And Johannsson would've delivered interesting things for Dune, I'm sure Supposedly Johannsson's BR 2049 didn't sound anything like Vangelis and I think I would have preferred that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 1 hour ago, KK said: I don't know. That sounds pretty reductive. I think it's possible to be both "cutting-edge" and have real structural and musical integrity in the context of a more "ambient" aesthetic. I mean, I agree that it is easy, and probably quite seductive to lean exclusively on the "novelty" of sound and let the film do all the work by means of imbuing said sound with structure and intent. But there are still composers who have been playing with the capacity for sound through real musical structures. And Johannsson was clearly one of them. I know that many claim that, given how much of it *still* is wallpaper, even in clearly ambitious scores like Arrival i refuse to buy that as valid argument. Let's face it, musically that approach is a dead end. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Disco Stu 15,495 Posted February 10, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 10, 2020 In this thread I see a lot of specious arguments for basically "I am comfortable and correct in my taste and anyone who does not share this is not only incorrect but morally inferior therefore I need not question anything." Basically, a lot of Principal Skinner energy Bayesian, mstrox and Bofur01 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 Pot...massively calling kettle back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted February 10, 2020 Share Posted February 10, 2020 23 minutes ago, publicist said: I know that many claim that, given how much of it *still* is wallpaper, even in clearly ambitious scores like Arrival i refuse to buy that as valid argument. Let's face it, musically that approach is a dead end. Of course there's wallpaper! It's film music! There's just as much wallpaper in something like Sicario/Arrival as there is in Desplat's Little Women (or any Desplat score, really) or Williams' latest Star Wars. The only difference is the aesthetic really. And everyone's own aesthetic biases will colour their tolerance level for each score's wallpaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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