Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 The score probably sounded too French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post publicist 4,643 Posted January 16, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted January 16, 2020 Still better than Giacchino's kindergarten JW impersonations. Marcus, Smeltington and Bilbo 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, publicist said: There were probably more reasons at play, but it seems highly unlikely that they threw at out a whole score more or less finished at the eleventh minute if it was just scheduling issues. Remember, Desplat also has a team of guys helping him out, they would have found a way to make this work. Quote There were five scores you had that could have been nominated. When you have so many films coming out in the same year, how do work on all of them? I finish one and I start another. It’s the only way I know it. I’m on my own in my studio. I don’t have a team of composers. It’s just me and myself so, in French you say, I can’t chase several rabbits at the same time. I can only focus on one. I go step by step. I do Godzilla, then I do another one, then I do another one. It’s crucial for me because I really want to be dedicated physically and mentally to one project at a time. It’s a lot of work that is requested from you. I don’t think I would deliver the best work if I would do several projects at the same time. So it’s one at a time, but I work a lot. I work nonstop actually, but that’s what I like. Also through the years I’ve improved. I can work faster. https://ew.com/article/2015/02/05/alexandre-desplat-talks-oscar-nominated-scores-grand-budapest-and-imitation-game/ (obviously he has a team of people that assist him in some way, I just remembered this interview when I read your comment) Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Other than Zimmer, are there composers who regularly bring in other composers to help them write scores? (Whether credited or not.) I enjoy the fact that when I listen to a JW or AD (or, presumably, DE) album, I know it's his material alone I'm hearing. For better or worse, each of them is doing the heavy lifting alone. I respect that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 About him being fired or not from R1, this is what is on Hollywood Reporter: Quote But the reshoots also altered the scoring calendar and Desplat, who won an Oscar for The Grand Budapest Hotel, was no longer available. Disney and Lucasfilm then turned to Giacchino, who has a long relationship with the studio and its various divisions. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-rogue-one-replaces-929387 Here's Jon Broxton's review of Gia's score, and he is familiar with people working on the film score world: Quote The score for Rogue One is by Michael Giacchino, but as most people know this was not always the case . The original announced composer for the film was Alexandre Desplat, who worked with director Edwards on Godzilla. However, wholesale re-shoots of the film over the summer of 2016 resulted in the film’s post-production period being pushed back, and considering the fact that Desplat had added a total of nine (!) other projects to his docket throughout the year, his schedule suddenly closed and he was no longer able to find the time to do Rogue One. Giacchino was brought in very late in the game, and only had four and a half weeks to compose the music for the film; however, as often tends to be the case in these circumstances, the pressure of having no time inspires the composer to do some of their best work. https://moviemusicuk.us/2016/12/20/rogue-one-michael-giacchino/ I don't think I've ever heard someone saying Alex was fired, or that he even wrote something for the movie, despite rumours saying that Valerian includes some unused Rogue One material. But if anyone has any evidence, please come forward. (reposting it because I idiotically posted it on one of TROS' threads ) 2 hours ago, Bayesian said: Other than Zimmer, are there composers who regularly bring in other composers to help them write scores? (Whether credited or not.) Marco Beltrami and Blake Neely are the first that comes through my mind, these two have their own studios with their own set of composers. Once and Bayesian 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 3 hours ago, Bayesian said: Other than Zimmer, are there composers who regularly bring in other composers to help them write scores? (Whether credited or not.) I enjoy the fact that when I listen to a JW or AD (or, presumably, DE) album, I know it's his material alone I'm hearing. For better or worse, each of them is doing the heavy lifting alone. I respect that. Why is that something you respect? A director doesn’t make a movie alone. An editor doesn’t edit a movie alone. Most films have multiple writers and drafts. A band has multiple members all contributing creatively. So yes, many composers have teams that help them throughout the entire scoring process. This brings me to the point people love to throw at Zimmer. He doesn’t use ghost writers. He gets credit for his collaborators. There are composers that you may think work alone, but in fact have actual ghost writers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 11 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: Why is that something you respect? A director doesn’t make a movie alone. An editor doesn’t edit a movie alone. Most films have multiple writers and drafts. A band has multiple members all contributing creatively. So yes, many composers have teams that help them throughout the entire scoring process. This brings me to the point people love to throw at Zimmer. He doesn’t use ghost writers. He gets credit for his collaborators. There are composers that you may think work alone, but in fact have actual ghost writers. I get that films are team efforts. But within the team effort on any given movie are several elements that can stand apart as the work of a single man or woman. For me, these include acting, cinematography, direction... and music. In a film, each of these should be the work of one person. Obviously they collaborate in order to complete the project that they find themselves together on, but each of these parts is the work of individuals and can be clearly identified as such. What I respect is the fact that even though these roles could be done by multiple individuals, for the creatives I follow or appreciate, they don’t need help to do their jobs. I like being able to listen to a score and not have to think about whether a particularly nice moment was written by this guy or the other guy or some third uncredited guy — if it’s JW, AD, or (in most cases) DE, I have my answer. (In the case of direction, I find myself increasingly uninterested in paying attention to who the director is, now that it’s clear that studios are willing to hack a movie to shreds after the director has finished with it (latest exhibit A: TROS). In other words, it’s getting harder and harder to know if what I paid $12 to see in theaters was actually what the director wanted me to see. And of course, this individual-contributor element doesn’t apply to every role in a movie; producers, for instance, seem to do a hell of a lot in movies and there’s always like eight or nine of them in any given film, so telling apart which producer does what is hopeless. Same with screenwriters and “story” writers, at least lately.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 5 hours ago, Disco Stu said: https://ew.com/article/2015/02/05/alexandre-desplat-talks-oscar-nominated-scores-grand-budapest-and-imitation-game/ (obviously he has a team of people that assist him in some way, I just remembered this interview when I read your comment) He works with two different sets of orchestrators, depending on the project of origin. For his European films, he tends to work with Nicholas Charron, Jean-Pascal Beintus, and Sylvain Morizet. For American films, he tends to work with Conrad Pope, Nan Schwartz, Bill Newlin, and Clifford J. Tassner. Even with two sets of orchestrators, Desplat will co-orchestrate when he can. Every note is his, even if the orchestration isn't. Edmilson and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 6 hours ago, Edmilson said: I don't think I've ever heard someone saying Alex was fired, or that he even wrote something for the movie, despite rumours saying that Valerian includes some unused Rogue One material. But if anyone has any evidence, please come forward. The stuff you linked is the official press release version. People close to the production, probably the same who later leaked the Williams/Giacchino stuff, claimed that this was not the chain of events at all. Director Gareth Edwards, the guy who hired Desplat, worked with AD on his version of the movie, which was finished in rough state much earlier. Who knows how much was written. When Disney guys took over production (mid to late summer) there was a lot of rupture and requests for changes and all in a rather hurried state. It's true that Desplat had other things on his plate later on, but it's extremely naive to think an old pro like him didn't make room for last minute changes, which often come on such big productions. At some point, there obviously was a straw that broke the camel's back. I presume it had a lot to do with him standing up for Edwards and Disney wanting things he wasn't happy with. Again, it's not important who fired whom, the simple fact that a high-profile composer abandons ship on a troubled production like this late in the game usually is a sign that there is more at play than schedule problems. Everyone working on 'Timeline' claimed that Goldsmith was let go because of such reason, in reality Paramount got cold feet after people complained about the score in test screenings and was more than happy when Donner let Goldsmith go (it didn't occur to them that the movie was rotten). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 The book is a page-turner, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 It's another story revealing studio execs are fickle who don't (and don't care to) understand creativity. They'll blame every inconsequential thing before admitting they're just picky assholes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 11 hours ago, publicist said: The stuff you linked is the official press release version. I know, I was just telling what I was aware of. Until this day, I haven't know that Desplat could have written something, and was fired because Disney and the people who took charge of the movie disliked what he did. So far, the only thing I've read that indicate that he did write something for R1 was some throwaway rumours that his Valerian score includes unused Rogue One material. I don't doubt this is true, who knows? It's a dog eats dog industry anyway. But, tbh, until I joined JWFan, I couldn't imagine that JW himself was displeased with Giacchino's Rogue One score (I thought he didn't even bothered to listen, as he doesn't care for what other film composers do) and that's why he had a heavier involvement on Powell's Solo, and that neither Desplat was actually fired because he wrote something for R1 that Disney people disliked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted January 17, 2020 Share Posted January 17, 2020 20 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Why is that something you respect? A director doesn’t make a movie alone. An editor doesn’t edit a movie alone. Most films have multiple writers and drafts. A band has multiple members all contributing creatively. So yes, many composers have teams that help them throughout the entire scoring process. This brings me to the point people love to throw at Zimmer. He doesn’t use ghost writers. He gets credit for his collaborators. There are composers that you may think work alone, but in fact have actual ghost writers. You are describing the Hollywood model largely. For some auteur films from Europe and other parts of the world, the movie can be said to be the singular vision of a single mind. Sure you have other people doing the actual work but every single thing in the frame is absolutely 100% the director's choice through and through without any intervention of any kind from anybody. Also happens in Hollywood but is much rarer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaitain 1 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Desplat has been fired from the role of composer on Black Widow. Jurassic Shark and Edmilson 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Source? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedigoScan 324 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Why do people keep doing this to Desplat (if true) Incoming Michael Giacchino Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 62 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 If it’s true, I suspect Giacchino’s already been hired. Or Henry Jackman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 Or Lorne Balfe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 I can't see any info online confirming this. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arpy 4,145 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 3 hours ago, Kaitain said: Desplat has been fired from the role of composer on Black Widow. Spoiler T Spoiler R Spoiler O Spoiler L Spoiler L Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 4 hours ago, Kaitain said: Desplat has been fired from the role of composer on Black Widow. Give a source. 2 hours ago, MedigoScan said: Incoming Michael Giacchino They better not. Desplat is 10x the composer Giacchino is. I'm still salty about ROGUE ONE. Bilbo and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bayesian 1,363 Posted February 16, 2020 Share Posted February 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Kaitain said: Desplat has been fired from the role of composer on Black Widow. This is definitely trolling. Did you get a good chuckle out this, kaitain? Show up out of nowhere to shitpost and then vanish? In any case, if this ever were to happen, it would be the last time I’d have anything to do with the MCU. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jules 59 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 What do people see in Rogue One *sighs* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 Rogue One is okay. Not great, but fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 There is evidence of it happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,448 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 I hope not, but, tbh, these days I don't think it's too far fetched to imagine Desplat delivering a perfectly good action score, and then being replaced by Henry Jackman or Giacchino. Sigh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tydirium 1,167 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 42 minutes ago, TheUlyssesian said: There is evidence of it happening. I don't understand. What is this a picture of and how is it related to BLACK WIDOW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,478 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 It is Scarlett getting Desplat escorted out. Tydirium 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 994 Posted February 17, 2020 Share Posted February 17, 2020 The only thing I've seen about Desplat getting the boot is a fan poster that likely existed before the last trailer, where a sound mixer is given the composer credit for whatever reason. At this point, I doubt Kevin Feige and co. are having SW esque issues to warrant repeating such a firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 A little bird from LA just told me it's Lorne Balfe's turn now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Balfe sells more CDs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 What's a CD LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Balfe doesn't acknowledge the format, only the money it brings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antovolk 95 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Tydirium, Once, Quppa and 3 others 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,526 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Bleh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 It's like a virus. bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 BALFID-20 Pieter Boelen, A. A. Ron, Jurassic Shark and 1 other 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 He can do it all on his home PC, no orchestra needed. Expect this to happen more and more going forward... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Well, people who don't make music won't need an orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, JTWfan77 said: He can do it all on his home PC, no orchestra needed. Expect this to happen more and more going forward... Film scoring, social isolation style. A. A. Ron, Tydirium and 1977 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 13 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said: Film scoring, social isolation style. No point of risking the lives of LA or London musicians for this. I applaud Disney for keeping everyone safe. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted March 31, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 31, 2020 Just cancel the movie for maximum safety. A. A. Ron, bollemanneke and crocodile 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 WTF?! The guy can't even compose! How does he keep getting these assignments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 2 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: WTF?! The guy can't even compose! How does he keep getting these assignments? He probably gives great head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,333 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 These 300 musicians never saw each other: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Balfe can be great on occasion (really liked his stuff on AD ASTRA, for example, even if Ricther's material is superior), but he really eats up all the major assignments these days. He's also a great businessman, no doubt. I don't like superhero movies, and I don't like Desplat, so in this particular case, I don't really mind or care Balfe taking over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,075 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 Could you highlight some of his better tracks for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,348 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 I just heard him on a 2013 BBC podcast in which he says, amongst other things, that he doesn't know musical terminology and refuses to discuss how Hans Zimmer makes other composers work together for him. I do hope he knows more about music than he did back then, but Military Wives sounded as simplistic as all the other crap. Film music is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 31, 2020 Share Posted March 31, 2020 3 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Could you highlight some of his better tracks for us? I really like that bit where Henry Cavill is in the helicopter in Mission: Impossible - Fallout. It's a really cool bad guy motif. Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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