The Rise of Skywalker JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed

[Jay 37,266]

An anonymous tipster has sent JWFan some information that I can share with you now!

 

The information is a list of cues that appeared in a cut of the film dated November 11th, 2019.  Remember, the final day of recording sessions didn't happen until November 21st, and even by this cut some of the cues JW had written had already been dropped or replaced, so consider this a PARTIAL cue list:

 

1M01 Main Title

1M022 The Ninth Beginning

1M05 Rey Trains

1M06 Ren's Entrance

1M08 Approaching The Nursery

1M09 Rey Wakes Up

1M13 Tell Me What They Are

1M15 Vader's Castle

1M20 Rey Training

1M24 Meditation

1M26 Spy's Message

1M26 Lightspeed Skipping

 

2M01 Cockpit Dialog

2M02 Fixing The Helmet

2M03 The Wisdom of Maz

2M04 The Emperor Lives

2M06 The Medal

2M07 Ship Trip

2M20 The Forge

2M30 Rey's Mission

2M32 Quicksand

 

0M01 Children's School

3M00 Lando

3M01 Before The Chase

3M03 No Title

3M06 Knights of Ren

3M07 Ochi and the Dagger

 

4M01 Rey Senses Ren's Approach

4M02 Rey's Incredible Hand

4M04 Zucini?

4M05 To The End

4M05B Good Ship, Bad Ship

4M06 He Won't Remember

4M07 Rey's Grief

4M10 Red Eyes

4M11 Poe and Girlfriend

4M12 Ship Walk and Talk

 

5M01 Meddling and Poe's Crush

5M03 Hallway Shooting

5M05 Rey Sees Mother

5M06 Hard To Get Rid Of

5M07 I'm The Spy

5M08 Geneology

5M10 Landing At ?

5M12 Off The Waterfront

5M30 Under a Blanket

 

6M02 Rey Climbs Pipes

6M02A Climbing

6M04 Daisy In A Veil

6M05 Leia Lies Down

6M07 Stop and Start

6M08 Healing Wounds

6M12 Six Twelve

6M13 Rey's Trip To P

6M20 Sabre Toss

 

7M01 Seven One

7M02 Rey Meets Luke

7M03 Luke's Advice

7M04 The Meeting

7M05 March Of The Resistance

7M08 Father Knows Best

7M10 Leia's Sabre

7M12 Seven Twelve

7M12A Horses #2

7M20 Approaching The Throne

7M21 Parents

7M30 More Action

7M32 Make The Sacrifice

7M36 Dunkirk

7M38 I Am All The Sith

 

8M04 Psalm of the Sith

8M05 Jumping The Chain

8M07 Big Ship Blows Up

8M08 On Their Knees

8M10 Success and Sliding

8M11A Dropping The Sabre

8M14 Ben to Rey

8M15 Horn Solo

8M16 End Credits

 

9M03 Bows

9M05ALT Return to Tattooine
 

 

 

 

The list also contains the two source pieces not composed by Williams:

 

2S35 JJ Festival Music

3S35 JJ Bar Source

 

 

 

 

As well as the cue names from prior scores that were tracked into this cut:

 

13M2 from Ep.6 Vader's Death

7M03 from Ep.3 The Birth of the Twins

7M05 from Ep.3 Plans for the Twins

3M26R from Ep.7 You're Han Solo?

4M36R from Ep.7 I Ran Into You

5M46R from Ep.7 Kylo Stalks Rey

6M50R from Ep.7 Han and Leia Reunion

6M55R from Ep.7 Council Meeting

6M56E from Ep.7 Ren In Cockpit

8M77 from Ep.7 March Of The Resistance

4M36 from Ep.8 Luke and Rey

 

 

 

 

 

UPDATE: Additional cue titles found in GEMA Repertoire:

 

Chewie's Interrogation

Emperor's Attack

Emperor's Theme V3

Falcon's Last Trip

Filial Fencing

Hero Fight

It Fits!

Kylo's Theme

Lido Hey [JJ Abrams/Lin-Manuel Miranda]

More Maz

Name That Tune

Poe's Theme

Ready to Be a Jedi

Rey and Ren

Rey's Training

The Crowd Joins In

The Dunkirk Shot

The Feeling

The Last Fight

The Millennium Falcon Theme

The Resistance Theme

Through the Jungle

Tunnel Monster

Uncharted Territory

Wayfinder Insert

[mstrox 6,637]

That order seems to correlate with the original plot leaks (as far as the order of sequences, the later Emperor reveal, etc).  I had assumed that the leaker made a mistake in their placement (i.e. was piecing it together), but it seems like that was just the original order of things.  Crazy how much they shuffled the thing around in the last few weeks.

[Jay 37,266]

And here's all the info from the document, in a nice readable table!

 

##	#	Start	End	Title	Dur	Orig	Old	Other	Old Notes
				REEL ONE v9DC2
1	1	00:23:20	01:50:03	1M01 Main Title	1:26		1:26		Star Wars 1:26
2	2	01:50:03	02:30:13	1M022 The Ninth Beginning	0:40	0:34	0:06		Kylo :06
3	3	02:30:13	04:34:05	1M08 Approaching The Nursery	2:04	1:53	0:11		Kylo :11
4	4	04:34:05	04:48:12	1M15 Vader's Castle	0:14		0:14		Vader :14
5	5	04:48:12	05:31:15	8M04 Psalm of the Sith	0:43	0:43
6	6	05:31:15	06:01:17	1M24 Meditation	0:30	0:18	0:12		Force :12
7	7	06:01:17	06:19:09	1M09 Rey Wakes Up	0:18	0:18
8	8	06:19:09	07:49:12	1M20 Rey Training	1:30	1:05	0:25		Rey :15 Vader :06 Kylo :04
9	9	07:49:12	08:13:10	1M05 Rey Trains	0:24	0:24
10	10	08:21:13	08:30:20	2M03 The Wisdom of Maz	0:09	0:09
11	11	08:30:20	09:23:12	1M13 Tell Me What They Are	0:53	0:53
12	12	10:07:17	12:39:01	1M26 Lightspeed Skipping	2:31	2:15	0:16		Emperor :05 Resistance :04 Falcon :07
				REEL TWO v9DC3
13	1	00:08:00	02:10:00	2M30 Rey's Mission	2:02	1:22	0:40		Emperor :10 Rey :20 Force :10
14	2	02:10:00	02:52:20	2M20 The Forge	0:43	0:23	0:20		Kylo :20
15	3	02:59:05	04:50:08	2M06 The Medal	1:51	1:29	0:22		Force :22
16	4	04:50:08	06:03:13	2M02 Fixing The Helmet	1:13	1:07	0:06		Kylo :06
17	5	06:03:13	06:34:21	2M07 Ship Trip	0:31	0:31
18	6	06:28:01	07:32:10	2S35 JJ Festival Music	1:04			1:04
19	7	07:32:10	09:38:01	0M01 Children's School	2:05	1:41	0:24		Rey :10 Kylo :14
20	8	09:38:01	10:10:17	2M01 Cockpit Dialog	0:33	0:33
21	9	10:10:17	10:27:15	8M05 Jumping The Chain	0:17	0:17
22	10	10:27:15	10:56:23	3M00 Lando	0:29	0:29
23	11	10:56:23	11:40:13	5M10 Landing At ?	0:43	0:43
24	12	11:40:13	12:43:19	3M00 Lando	1:03	0:50	0:13		Leia :13
25	13	12:43:19	13:13:05	3M01 Before The Chase	0:29	0:29
26	14	13:13:05	15:29:07	3M03 No Title	2:16	2:05	0:11		Rey :11
27	15	15:41:22	16:08:00	2M32 Quicksand	0:28	0:28
				REEL THREE v9DC4
28	1	00:08:03	00:43:10	3M07 Ochi and the Dagger	0:37	0:37
29	2	01:16:00	02:35:06	3M07 Ochi and the Dagger	1:19	1:19
30	3	02:51:05	04:01:03	6M02 Rey Climbs Pipes	1:10	1:10
31	4	04:01:03	04:48:04	2M04 The Emperor Lives	0:47	0:22	0:25		Rey :11 Force :14
32	5	04:48:04	05:02:08	3M06 Knights of Ren	0:14	0:14
33	6	05:02:08	05:19:18	2M07 Ship Trip	0:17	0:17
34	7	05:19:18	07:46:09	4M01 Rey Senses Ren's Approach	2:26	2:15	0:11		Resistance :11
35	8	08:48:10	09:55:22	4M02 Rey's Incredible Hand	1:07	0:57	0:10		Kylo :10
36	9	10:11:15	10:40:03	8M08 On Their Knees	0:28	0:28
37	10	10:59:11	11:37:19	1M08 Approaching The Nursery	0:38	0:38
38	11	11:28:04	12:23:09	4M12 Ship Walk and Talk	0:55	0:55
39	12	13:01:13	13:28:18	4M05 To The End	0:27	0:27
40	13	13:28:18	14:13:15	4M05B Good Ship, Bad Ship	1:50	1:50
41	14	14:13:15	14:37:19	2M04 The Emperor Lives	0:24	0:13	0:11		Rey :11
42	15	15:26:15	17:13:05	4M04 Zucini?	1:46	1:46
43	16	17:13:05	17:22:14	5M03 Hallway Shooting	0:09	0:09
44	17	17:22:14	17:39:01	3S35 JJ Bar Source	0:16			0:16
45	18	18:42:17	19:34:04	4M06 He Won't Remember	0:51	0:43	0:08		Star Wars :08
46	19	19:35:21	19:58:14	1M06 Ren's Entrance	0:22	0:22
				REEL FOUR v9 DC 5
47	1	00:53:21	02:01:13	4M11 Poe and Girlfriend	1:07	1:07
48	2	02:08:07	02:40:04	4M36 from Ep.8 Luke and Rey	0:32			0:32
49	3	02:40:04	03:39:14	4M10 Red Eyes	1:09	1:05	0:04		Kylo :04
50	4	03:51:12	05:45:00	5M01 Meddling and Poe's Crush	1:53	1:42	0:11		Kylo :11
51	5	05:54:08	08:05:12	5M03 Hallway Shooting	2:11	2:04	0:07		Resistance:07
52	6	08:06:12	08:55:13	5M05 Rey Sees Mother	0:49	0:42	0:07		Vader :07
53	7	09:07:19	11:27:03	5M06 Hard To Get Rid Of	2:19	2:08	0:11		Emperor :11
54	8	11:27:03	12:58:23	5M07 I'm The Spy	1:31	1:16	0:15		Rey :08, Kylo :04, Star Wars :03
55	9	12:59:00	15:16:03	5M08 Geneology	2:17	2:09	0:08		Star Wars :04, Rey :04
56	10	15:16:03	15:44:19	4M12 Ship Walk and Talk	0:29	0:29
57	11	15:49:05	16:11:10	4M07 Rey's Grief	0:22	0:22
58	12	16:11:10	16:28:23	5M46R from Ep.7 Kylo Stalks Rey	0:32			0:32
59	13	16:28:23	17:02:07	6M56E from Ep.7 Ren In Cockpit	0:33			0:33
60	14	17:02:07	18:19:06	5M10 Landing At ?	1:17	1:17
				REEL FIVE v9DC3
61	1	00:51:18	01:15:04	4M36R from Ep.7 I Ran Into You	0:23			0:23
62	2	01:15:04	01:41:13	2M06 The Medal	0:26	0:12	0:14		Force :14
63	3	01:41:13	02:45:11	5M12 Off The Waterfront	1:03	1:03
64	4	02:57:01	03:31:14	6M02 Rey Climbs Pipes	0:34	0:34
65	5	03:52:03	04:20:08	6M02A Climbing	0:28	0:28
66	6	04:20:08	05:05:23	13M2 from Ep.6 Vader's Death	0:45			0:45
67	7	06:59:16	07:49:13	6M04 Daisy In A Veil	0:50	0:50
68	8	07:49:13	07:55:17	6M05 Leia Lies Down	0:06	0:06
69	9	07:55:17	08:18:20	6M50R from Ep.7 Han and Leia Reunion	0:23			0:23
70	10	09:52:05	11:17:23	6M07 Stop and Start	1:26	1:20	0:06		Kylo :06
71	11	11:34:21	13:36:13	6M08 Healing Wounds	2:02	1:52	0:10		Force :10
72	12	13:36:13	14:37:13	5M30 Under a Blanket	1:01	0:11	0:50		Leia :50
73	13	15:15:19	16:56:12	7M08 Father Knows Best	1:43	1:43
74	14	16:56:12	07:14:23	1M08 Approaching The Nursery	0:18	0:18
75	15	17:14:23	17:34:04	1M06 Ren's Entrance	0:19	0:19
				REEL SIX V9DC5
76	1	00:08:04	00:47:01	6M12 Six Twelve	0:39	0:39
77	2	01:05:13	01:25:21	7M03 from Ep.3 The Birth of the Twins	0:20			0:20
78	3	01:25:21	02:15:00	7M05 from Ep.3 Plans for the Twins	0:49			0:49
79	4	02:20:02	02:51:12	7M01 Seven One	0:31	0:31
80	5	02:51:12	03:10:21	7M02 Rey Meets Luke	0:19	0:19
81	6	03:10:21	03:17:04	6M20 Sabre Toss	1:45	1:29	0:16		Rey :06 Force :10
82	7	04:05:17	05:03:02	7M03 Luke's Advice	0:57	0:30	0:27		Rey :13 Force :14
83	8	05:03:02	07:33:22	7M10 Leia's Sabre	2:31	1:15	1:16		Leia :15 Star Wars :15 Yoda :46
84	9	08:21:03	08:36:23	3M26R from Ep.7 You're Han Solo?	0:16			0:16
85	10	08:36:23	08:46:01	5M10 Landing At ?	0:09	0:09
86	11	08:46:01	09:39:03	6M55R from Ep.7 Council Meeting	0:53			0:53
87	12	09:39:03	10:08:23	7M04 The Meeting	0:30	0:30
88	13	10:08:23	10:46:00	7M05 March Of The Resistance	0:37		0:37		Resistance :37
89	14	10:46:01	11:10:08	8M77 from Ep.7 March Of The Resistance	0:24			0:24
90	15	11:10:08	11:42:02	6M13 Rey's Trip To P	0:32	0:32
91	16	11:42:02	12:00:07	7M03 from Ep.3 The Birth Of The Twins	0:18			0:18
92	17	12:00:07	12:56:21	1M26 Spy's Message	0:56	0:56
93	18	12:56:21	13:36:23	1M08 Approaching The Nursery	0:40	0:22	0:18		Emperor :18
94	19	13:37:01	14:57:05	7M12 Seven Twelve	1:20	1:06	0:14		Star Wars :04, Force :10
95	20	14:57:05	15:33:18	7M12A Horses #2	0:36	0:23	0:13		Force :13
				REEL SEVEN v9 DC7
96	1	00:08:00	02:34:09	7M20 Approaching The Throne	2:27	2:27
97	2	02:34:09	04:09:16	7M21 Parents	1:35	1:35
98	3	04:46:01	06:52:07	7M30 More Action	2:06	2:06
99	4	06:52:07	08:36:01	7M32 Make The Sacrifice	1:43	1:43
100	5	10:59:06	12:41:10	7M36 Dunkirk	1:42	1:42
101	6	14:04:12	17:12:20	7M38 I Am All The Sith	3:08	3:08
102	7	17:12:20	18:08:21	8M07 Big Ship Blows Up	0:56	0:56
103	8	18:08:03	18:46:13	8M10 Success and Sliding	0:38	0:31	0:07		Falcon :07
104	9	18:46:22	19:37:15	8M11A Dropping The Sabre	0:50	0:20	0:30		Rey:30
				REEL EIGHT v9 DC5
105	1	00:16:00	04:32:00	8M14 Ben to Rey	4:16	4:16
106	2	04:32:00	07:50:05	9M03 Bows	3:18	1:15	2:03		Star Wars :08, Force :19, Yoda :40 Rey:13 Luke &Leia :43
107	3	08:00:15	09:42:15	9M05ALT Return to Tatooine	1:42	1:42
108	4	09:48:04	10:21:21	8M15 Horn Solo	0:33		0:33		Force :33
109	5	10:21:12	22:37:00	8M16 End Credits	12:00	10:30	1:30		Star Wars :30 Rey 1:00
				Total Music in Film	2:03:56
				Total Thematic Material from Eps. 4, 5, 6			10:31
				Total Thematic Material from Ep. 7			6:00
				Total Cues from Previous Episodes				6:08
				Total Source				1:20
				Total Original Music (80.55%)		1:39:50

[D_A_R_T_H 24]

 Dunkirk  ?????

[Jay 37,266]

Some observations:

• I got one title right! "I'm The Spy" the same title I used for that cue :p 
• "The Ninth Beginning" is an adorable name for episode 9's first cue
• Whose nursery was involved in the original prologue?  Leia's nursery after Ben/Kylo was born?  Or is this related to the cut oracle sequence?
• The version of the Speeder Chase in this cut of the film had Rey's theme in it
• Zucini?
• Poe and Girlfriend
• Daisy In A Veil is the best Williams cue title in the history of everything
• He consistently spells saber as sabre
• 6M12 Six Twelve and 7M1 Seven One are great cue names
• So as was just discussed the other day, "Approaching The Throne" OST FYC track is in fact two cues combined in one, "7M20 Approaching The Throne" and "7M30 More Action" and MOST interestingly, Parents was MEANT to play IN BETWEEN them as it's 7M21 (and DID play in between them in this cut of the film)
• Apparently only Rey, Kylo, and Resistance count as old themes, as Poe's theme is never mentioned despite recurring in new iterations in this score.  The new Kylo Redeemed / Ben Solo theme seems to count as a NEW theme here as its not mentioned as an OLD theme in its cues.
• This version of A New Home (Return of Tatooine) doesn't seem to have featured Rey's theme, unless they just forgot to put that in the doc.

 

If that table doesn't look right in your browser, it's in my Google Doc now https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VWApmUMfiSF9gvXb3LW9QloZO-St-ITFMF-qYaNN0fw

[D_A_R_T_H 24]

the tracklisting seem to be ok.... (old version before reshoots and re edits )

Zucini > zucchini  ? ^_^
Poe and Girlfriend > Zorii Bliss
Red Eyes > C3P0


Sources composed by J J Abrams and Lin-Manuel Miranda
2S35 JJ Festival Music

3S35 JJ Bar Source

 

[Chewy 2,372]

45 minutes ago, Jay said:

7M36 Dunkirk

[Demondm810 398]

Whaaaaaaat

[Holko 9,491]

On 1/15/2020 at 2:06 PM, Jay said:

• "The Ninth Beginning" is an adorable name for episode 9's first cue

 

It took me 5 whole seconds to realise it wasn't JW making fun of all the reedits and rescorings like E.T.'s The Final Solution!

[Jay 37,266]

On 15/01/2020 at 2:07 PM, D_A_R_T_H said:

Sources composed by J J Abrams
2S35 JJ Festival Music

3S35 JJ Bar Source

 

He had co-composers

 

Soundtrack Credits 

Lido Hey
Written by Lin-Manuel Miranda and J.J. Abrams
Produced and Performed by Shag F. Kava

Oma's Place
Written, Produced and Performed by Ricky Tinez and J.J. Abrams

 

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527338/soundtrack

[Falstaft 2,132]

This is fantastic, and fully accords with the (limited but reliable) scoring session info I've been privy too as well. Thanks for sharing this @Jay, you're a mensch.

 

One thing of note: I'm pretty confident "Psalm of the Sith" was Williams's original, intended name for the "Anthem of Evil." So, so much better as a title!

 

 

[dylanskie 104]

A nursery? And I guess they were going to show Vader's castle on Mustafar.

 

Awesome!!!

 

8M14 Ben to Rey -  4:16... is that Farewell? 8M11A is presumably when Rey dies... and 9M03 would be the film version of Reunion, right? Since it has Force, Yoda, Rey, Luke/Leia themes

 

Quote

6M04 Daisy in a Veil

 

[Jay 37,266]

16 minutes ago, Falstaft (hiatus til TROS) said:

One thing of note: I'm pretty confident "Psalm of the Sith" was Williams's original, intended name for the "Anthem of Evil." So, so much better as a title!

 

Possibly, but then why would it also be 8M04?

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, dylanskie said:

A nursery? And I guess they were going to show Vader's castle on Mustafar.

 

Certainly, and it makes you wonder if the powerful Imperial March rendition in Journey to Exegol on the OST that was tracked into the final cut's prologue as well as when the Final Order's fleet is revealed at the end is actually 1M15 Vader's Castle

 

 

 

Quote

8M14 Ben to Rey -  4:16... is that Farewell? 8M11A is presumably when Rey dies... and 9M03 would be the film version of Reunion, right?

 

I think

 

• OST 15A [0:00-3:02] The Force Is with You / FYC 20 Seeing Sights = 7M38 I Am All The Sith
• OST 15B [3:02-end] The Force Is with You / FYC 21 Rescue = 8M10 Success and Sliding
• OST 16A [0:00-0:48] Farewell = 8M11A Dropping The Sabre
• OST 16B [0:48-end] Farewell / FYC 22 Farewell = 8M14 Ben to Rey
• OST 17 Reunion = 9M03 Bows
• OST 18 A New Home / FYC 23 A New Home = 9M05ALT Return to Tatooine
• OST 19 Finale = 8M15 Horn Solo & 8M16 End Credits

 

 

[Falstaft 2,132]

27 minutes ago, Jay said:

 

Possibly, but then why would it also be 8M04?

 

Hmm, that I'm not sure about. My guess is that the "Psalm" part refers at the very least to the (unused) the acapella, psalm-y choral part that begins the "Anthem of Evil" OST track, though that lasts 1:41 rather than the 0:43 listed here. In terms of ordering, 8M04 is especially confusing since it comes after 7m38 "I Am All The Sith" in this list, which would be the last big statement of any of the evil-associated music in the film, right? 

[Jay 37,266]

Don't forget, these are not the lengths of the original compositions, these are the lengths that were timed by someone as edited and used in this cut of the film

 

BTW if you look, lots of cues for scenes that were always have to be adjacent sometimes are listed as two different reels, which just means the cut kept changing as JW kept writing.  When  a cue moves from one spot to another, that's called "rebalancing"

[dylanskie 104]

5 minutes ago, Jay said:

I think

 

• FYC 21 Rescue = 8M10 Success and Sliding
• OST 16A [0:00-0:48] = 8M11A Dropping The Sabre
• OST 16B [0:48-end] / FYC 22 Farewell = 9M03 Bows
• OST 17 Reunion = 8M14 Ben to Rey
• OST 18 A New Home / FYC 23 A New Home = 9M05ALT Return to Tatooine
• OST 19 Finale = 8M15 Horn Solo & 8M16 End Credits

 

But 9M03 has all the returning themes in it like Reunion, and 8M14 doesn't, so shouldn't it be

• OST 16B [0:48-end] / FYC 22 Farewell = 8M14 Ben to Rey
• OST 17 Reunion= 9M03 Bows

I'm so glad to see all this new info!

[Jay 37,266]

You're right ! I messed up pasting info from the original doc into the table.  I fixed it, and my subsequent post!

[Bayesian 1,354]

Thank you, Jay! This is exciting stuff to read. It speaks strongly to what was a very different (and probably better) cut of the film that we're unlikely ever to see. A pity.

 

[Jay 37,266]

Oh, and this should be definitive proof Darth Vader's Death from ROTJ was tracked in and not re-recording, I suppose

[Pellaeon 593]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

5M10 Landing At ?

 

…Kef Bir, maybe?

[BrotherSound 2,241]

I’m guessing that 1M022 is really 1M2 v2 (or similar)?

[Jay 37,266]

2 hours ago, Pellaeon said:

 

…Kef Bir, maybe?

 

To be clear, I didn't add the ? because I couldn't read something, the actual cue was listed that way in the doc, in all 3 spots it appears

 

Cue#: 5M10 “LANDING AT ?” 

 

And yea, certainly for the landing on Kef Bir cue, IE The Old Death Star

 

2 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

I’m guessing that 1M022 is really 1M2 v2 (or similar)?

 

That's what I assume, yep!

[Fabulin 3,506]

On 1/15/2020 at 7:34 PM, Jay said:

7M04 The Meeting

6M04 Daisy In A Veil

5M30 Under a Blanket

6M13 Rey's Trip To P

2M01 Cockpit Dialog

4M02 Rey's Incredible Hand

4M05 To The End

7M30 More Action

[Pellaeon 593]

5 minutes ago, Jay said:

To be clear, I didn't add the ? because I couldn't read something, the actual cue was listed that way in the doc, in all 3 spots it appears

 

Cue#: 5M10 “LANDING AT ?”

 

I know, I was just speculating. Your source omitted something they couldn’t make out, probably a weird planet name, I reckoned. The planet (I mean moon) name was set in stone long ago, we know.

[Jay 37,266]

I just figured out what 4M04 Zucini? is all about - that's gotta be the cue where Poe reveals he knows someone who can help them on Kijimi, AKA the FYC cue "To Kijimi" :p

[Chewy 2,372]

Could 7M36 Dunkirk be the scene where Lando and all the other ships arrive to help the Resistance?

 

That would be a great reference to this: 

 

I don't know

[Jay 37,266]

Could be, yep!

 

Oddly the Nov 11 cut didn't seem to use Luke's Theme for that sequence, or they messed up and didn't note it down

[DominicCobb 194]

Lot of things to observe here. The first that I'm noticing is that Peace and Purpose isn't listed as tracked, so the version of the film at this point still had Williams's original music for that scene (8M07 Big Ship Blows Up?).

[Jay 37,266]

Looks that way, yep!

[The Five Tones 302]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

He consistently spells saber as sabre

The pop culture-level status of Khachaturian's Sabre Dance during his training/early career?

[Jay 37,266]

I think Williams may have constructed the OST track "Fanfare and Prologue" to be like the film was in the Nov 11 cut

 

[0:00-1:26] = 1M01 Main Title
[1:26-2:06] = 1M022 The Ninth Beginning, which ran for 40 seconds in Nov 11 cut with 6 seconds of Kylo's Theme, just like here
[2:06-end] = 1M08 Approaching The Nursery, which is notated as containing The Emperor's Theme in the portion of it that is tracked into reel 3 in the Nov 11 cut

 

Maybe something like that?  Who knows...

 

I can't figure out for the life of me what's up with Journey to Exegol though.  Looking through the table, can't really see the right lengths for Ren on Mustafar fighting guys then getting the wayfinder like happens in the final cut.  It's weird.

[Smaug The Iron 510]

On 1/15/2020 at 8:06 PM, Jay said:

Apparently only Rey, Kylo, and Resistance count as old themes, as Poe's theme is never mentioned despite recurring in new iterations in this score.  The new Kylo Redeemed / Ben Solo theme seems to count as a NEW theme here as its not mentioned as an OLD theme in its cues.

Perhaps Poe's Theme wasn't in this cut? Poe's Theme in Battle of the Resistance and Reunion was cut from the final cut. And the version we here in the old Death Star (FYC) could be an alternativ version of what we here on the OST and was recorded after this cut.

[Fabulin 3,506]

4 minutes ago, The Five Tones said:

The pop culture-level status of Khachaturian's Sabre Dance during his training/early career?

This spelling used to be more prevalent in his generation's youth than it is now. Consider the coolest dogfighter of his service time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_American_F-86_Sabre

 

I recall seeing the phrase "light sabre" multiple times in OT-related materials / interviews.

 

[dylanskie 104]

5 minutes ago, Jay said:

I think Williams may have constructed the OST track "Fanfare and Prologue" to be like the film was in the Nov 11 cut

 

[0:00-1:26] = 1M01 Main Title
[1:26-2:06] = 1M022 The Ninth Beginning, which ran for 40 seconds in Nov 11 cut with 6 seconds of Kylo's Theme, just like here
[2:06-end] = 1M08 Approaching The Nursery, which is notated as containing The Emperor's Theme in the portion of it that is tracked into reel 3 in the Nov 11 cut

 

Maybe something like that?  Who knows...

 

This seems to be the case. But what is the nursery, then? The lab where Snoke clones are growing? Kylo approaches the nursery that belongs to Palpatine? Creepy...

[Jay 37,266]

No in this Nov 11 cut, Ren doesn't even find out Palps is alive until reel 3 (!), so all the cues here before Rey's training were for some OTHER prologue.

 

Could still be mustafar stuff though... I dunno

 

Apaprently The Oracle (cut character) sat in a big baby statue's head on Mustafar so it all makes sense.  The original opening would have still featured Kylo on Mustafar, but actually shown more of him and hte Knights fighting, and involved him doing more than just sliding open a stone tablet thingy to get the wayfinder, he would have had to interact with The Oracle to get it, and it would have been clear he was near Vader's castle, and this was Vader's Wayfinder, etc... he just, apparently originally didn't go immediately from there to Exegol, he only finally went to Exegol later in the film, after interrupting Rey's training session.

[MikeH 768]

Lol Big Ship Blows Up 

[DominicCobb 194]

Is it possible though that cues were being used for things other than what they were originally scored (and titled) for? That could confuse things.

[Jay 37,266]

It's CLEAR cues were used for things they weren't intended for, in all the reels!

 

8M cues in reel 1!  1M cues in reels 3, 5, and 6!

 

It's madness.

[Smaug The Iron 510]

If we look at next cue after 1M08 Approaching The Nursery we see 1M09 Rey Wakes Up. Perhaps Ray has a dream about a Nursery from when she was a child? 

[DominicCobb 194]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

It's CLEAR cues were used for things they weren't intended for, in all the reels!

 

8M cues in reel 1!  1M cues in reels 3, 5, and 6!

 

It's madness.

 

Oh duh. What a mess. 

 

Regarding Journey to Exegol, is it possible the track on the OST is actually more than one cue edited together?

 

I have a dumb person question about cues. I know the first number is the reel, but is there a strict rhyme or reason to the second number? Like, is it always the case that something like 1m08 is the scene right before 1m09? What happens if a scene is inserted into the first reel and Williams writes a new cue for it, what sort of number does it get? I wonder because I know some of these scenes were added in reshoots.

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

Horn solo cuetitle is giacchino bad. How embarrassing Lol

[Jay 37,266]

43 minutes ago, Smaug the iron said:

If we look at next cue after 1M08 Approaching The Nursery we see 1M09 Rey Wakes Up. Perhaps Ray has a dream about a Nursery from when she was a child? 

 

Perhaps!

 

 

 

 

35 minutes ago, DominicCobb said:

Regarding Journey to Exegol, is it possible the track on the OST is actually more than one cue edited together?

 

Every track on the OST is more than one cue edited together

 

 

 

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I have a dumb person question about cues. I know the first number is the reel, but is there a strict rhyme or reason to the second number? Like, is it always the case that something like 1m08 is the scene right before 1m09? What happens if a scene is inserted into the first reel and Williams writes a new cue for it, what sort of number does it get? I wonder because I know some of these scenes were added in reshoots.

 

When JW would have sat down to the watch the film for the first time with JJ, they would have "spotted" the film, meaning decided where within each reel music would start and stop, and they'd have some discussions about tone and possibly themes to use.  At this point there'd be a list of cues that are all in order, in the same order as the cut of the film they just watched, and JW would have gone off to start writing them. 

 

Well, as he started writing, JJ continually re-edited the film, so after a series of major edits, the cue list would be "re-balanced", meaning cues that were originally in one place may now be in another.  The third cue of reel 2 could not be the last cue in reel 1, or whatever.  Sometimes, on some scores, they reflect this by renumbering them, IE 2M1 becaomes NEW 1M10 or something.  Sometimes not.  Usually once something's recorded, or even just fully orchestrated, it just lives with that original numbering forever, and the music team just keeps track of what everything was meant for and where everything goes.

 

In the olden days, this was less of an issue.  In the modern days, with so many tools allowing directors to easily edit and re-edit their picture, and the music along with it, it gets more complicated.

[Jon Turner 21]

Ooh, interesting.  I quite enjoyed THE RISE OF SKYWALKER, but I am aware that some changes did have to be made.  Still, it's fascinating to learn the details.

[Jay 37,266]

 

28 minutes ago, Luke Skywalker said:

Horn solo cuetitle is giacchino bad. How embarrassing Lol

 

 

I don't understand what you mean.  It's the Force Theme on solo horn that opens up the final OST track.

[DominicCobb 194]

10 minutes ago, Jay said:

Every track on the OST is more than one cue edited together

 

Well sure but I meant more like maybe some of it was originally written for reel one while some of it was originally written for reel six or whatever, as opposed to it being say three different cues that were all originally scored for Rey's trip to Exegol or something.

[Giftheck 916]

Score cue list and one of Trevorrow's scripts leaking?

 

A bountiful day indeed!

 

Also, last-minute mucking around with the scene order... definitely did not do the film any favours. This list confirms that.

 

"Landing At ?" - did they not know the name of Kef Bir when this was written?

[DominicCobb 194]

14 minutes ago, Jay said:

When JW would have sat down to the watch the film for the first time with JJ, they would have "spotted" the film, meaning decided where within each reel music would start and stop, and they'd have some discussions about tone and possibly themes to use.  At this point there'd be a list of cues that are all in order, in the same order as the cut of the film they just watched, and JW would have gone off to start writing them. 

 

Well, as he started writing, JJ continually re-edited the film, so after a series of major edits, the cue list would be "re-balanced", meaning cues that were originally in one place may now be in another.  The third cue of reel 2 could not be the last cue in reel 1, or whatever.  Sometimes, on some scores, they reflect this by renumbering them, IE 2M1 becaomes NEW 1M10 or something.  Sometimes not.  Usually once something's recorded, or even just fully orchestrated, it just lives with that original numbering forever, and the music team just keeps track of what everything was meant for and where everything goes.

 

In the olden days, this was less of an issue.  In the modern days, with so many tools allowing directors to easily edit and re-edit their picture, and the music along with it, it gets more complicated.

 

Interesting.

 

I ask because I read an interview with the editor of the film who mentioned that the scene of Rey meditating was added in reshoots. So just wondering if that might have affected its cue numbering.

[Alex 2,833]

Campaign for Binary Sunset to be renamed “Horn Solo”

[crumbs 14,287]

1M14 Falcon Flight isn't represented in this list either (instead labelled 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping) which is curious. That was recorded the same day as End Credits (see JKMS Instagram post). 

 

Also curious -- the end credits in this spreadsheet only lists 30 seconds of Luke's Theme and one minute of Rey's Theme under existing material, despite the final credits suite featuring blatant lifts from the Imperial March, Main Title, etc. Unintentional notation error or did JW have a different credits suite comprised only of new themes, before recording a new version on the same day as Falcon Flight (missing from this list)? 

[Arpy 4,145]

Saw the cue 'Horn Solo' on the player's Instagram a week or so ago which according to him was the very last cue recorded.