artguy360 1,843 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Interesting that so much of the tracked music was already in the film before recording the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, artguy360 said: Interesting that so much of the tracked music was already in the film before recording the score. This list is from November 11th 2019, I would assume that by then, a lot of the score had already been recorded, and replaced with tracked music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Here's a question, how much was changed between the making of this list and the final film? For example, the list says there duration of total music in the film is 2:03:56. I'm I'm not mistaken, the final film has about 117 minutes. I wonder where those 7 minutes went. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Looking at Jay's spreadsheet I think he's misidentified the Battle of the Resistance cues. It's seems the track includes 3 cues: 7M12 Seven Twelve 01:12-01:57 (FYC 00:00-00:51) - it has the noted Star Wars & Force themes. 7M12A Horses #2 01:57-End (FYC 00:51-End) - Has the noted Force theme. Unfortunately it seems that 00:00-01:12 of the OST track is still unknown, but could it be 7M11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,394 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 This thread is... Also, some of the cue titles are hilarious/amusing/genius: The Ninth Beginning, Rey's Incredible Hand, Poe and Girlfriend, Poe's Crush, Landing At? (I guess even JW got confused with the amount of planets this movie has), Daisy in a Veil (), Psalm of the Sith, and my favorite, Dunkirk! I like to imagine that JW caught Nolan's 2017 film on HBO or something on the night before recording this. How many official cue names of the previous two ST scores do we have? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGCJ 394 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/16/2020 at 1:25 AM, Edmilson said: How many official cue names of the previous two ST scores do we have? We have quite a lot! The Force Awakens Original sheets Spoiler 1M1A - Starry Night 1M2A (fix) 1M3B R - The Attack On The Village 1M3C - I've Seen Too Much 1M3D - The Attack On The Village 1M4 R - The Arrival of Kylo Ren (w/ fixes 5/27+session fixes 6/4) 1M4B - Landing 5M43 R Fix - Find Rey! 5M43A (Fix) - Maz's Treasure Chest 5M44 - [no title] (Rey && BB8 Running) 5M46 R - Kylo Stalks Rey 5M48 - We've Got What We Need 5M49A - The Abduction of Rey (Fix 11/5/15) 6M50 - Han and Leia Reunion 6M57B - Ice Landing 7M62A - On The Inside 7M65 - Father And Son 7M65B - Father and Son 7M65C - Leia Fix 7M66 - The Control Room And Ren In The Forest 7M67 R - It Is You 7M67A - Rey vs. Ren 7M67B F - Rey Catches Sword 8M74 - Climbing The Mountain Opening Finale (11/11/15) Rey's Theme (10/7/15 longer version) Reading the Map Scherzo For X-Wings (11-4-15) Scherzo For X-Wings The Resistance Theme The Live to Projection concert (which match the film edit) Spoiler Act I 1M1 Main Title—Starry Night—The Invasion of the Village 1M2 The First Order Approaches 1M3 The Arrival of Kylo Ren—Landing 1M5 The Scavenger 1M6-1M7 One Quarter Portion—Lunchtime With Rey 2M11 BB & Rey Meet 2M12 Poe Under Torture 2M14-2M15 I Can Fly Anything—The First Escape 2M16 Finn's Trek 2M17 That Lady with the Stick 2M18-3M20 Who's Luke Skywalker?—Follow Me—The Falcon Still Flies! 3M21-3M22 What's Your Name?—Kylo And His Sword 3M24 Hiding Under the Grate 3M26 You're Han Solo? 3M27 Rathtars Appear 3M28 The Rathtar Attack Part 1 3M29 The Rathtar Attack Part 2—Snoke 4M31 The Map Scene 4M32 Green Planet 4M33 You Got A Name? 4M34 I've Found The Droid 4M35 Maz On The Table 4M36-4M38 I Ran Into You—Into The Cellar 5M40 Rey's Dream 5M41 I Have To Get Back Act II 5M42 Entr'acte [live-to-projection only] 5M43-5M44 Sunbeam Strings—Find Rey!—Kylo Arrives At Battle 5M47 Good Guys Shooting—The Resistance Theme 5M48-5M49 The Abduction of Rey—Han & Leia Reunion—Finn and Poe, United 6M52 R2 in Hibernation—Parental Discussion 6M53 We See Rey 6M54 Bring Her to Me 6M55 You Will Remove These Restraints 6M56 Kylo's Rage! 6M57A Council Meeting—Preparing for the Mission—Ren In Cockpit 6M57B Ice Landing 6M58A Hey! 6M58B Rey On The Wall 6M59 To Lightspeed—The Bombing Run 6M59A Group Startles Rey 7M60 Hug Later 7M62 Shoot Out—On The Inside 7M65 Father and Son 7M67 It Is You—Scherzo For X-Wings—Rey vs. Ren 7M68-8M73-8M74 Flying Home—The Complete Map—Climbing The Mountain End Credits Online music repertoire (likely sourced from the music cue sheet) Spoiler Starry Night Fix No Title Hand Opening I've Seen Too Much The Beam is Released The Attack on the Village Guns Ablaze The Arrival of Kylo Ren The First Order Approaches The Control Room and Ren in the Forest Landing Fix on Fix One Quarter Portion/Lunchtime Finding the Map Don't Follow Me Kylo Stalks Rey What's Your Name? Finn Helps Poe The First Escape Finn's Trek That Lady with the Stick Who's Luke Skywalker The Falcon Still Flies! Kylo Arrives at Battle Kylo and His Sword Hiding Under the Grate You're Han Solo? Rathtars Appear The Rathtar Attack Old Falcon to the Rescue Starkiller We See Ren The Map Scene Green Planet Gotta Name? You Got a Name? I've Found the Droid Talking with Grandfather Dobra Doompa Maz on the Table I Ran Into You Into the Cellar Finn Fight Alt Poe Under Torture Rey's Dream Kylo's Rage I Have to Get Back Rey Vs. Ren Sunbeam Strings Find Rey! Good Guys Shooting We've Got What We Needed The Abduction of Rey Han and Leia Reunion Finn and Poe, United R2 in Hybernation Leia, C-3P0, and R2 Parental Discussion Bring Her to Me You Will Remove These Restraints Preparing for the Mission Ren in Cockpit Ice Landing Hey! Rey's Rope Climb Rey on Wall To Lightspeed The Bombing Run Hug Later Shootout I Can Get Us In Leia Fix Rey Catches Sword Blowing Up the Oscillator Light in the Snow and Flying Home Flying Home BB and Rey The Complete Map To Ending Rey's Theme End Credits 1 The Jedi Steps End Credits 2 It Is You The Jedi Steps (Concert Version) Star Wars VII Custom Teaser The Last Jedi Online music repertoire (likely sourced from the music cue sheet) Spoiler No Title 1M02A No Title 1M02A2 Welcome Poe and Hux He's Insane Resistance Force To the Target Theme In We Can Do This Fighter Down We Lose Girl Ace Tossing the Saber Rey Looks Back Revisiting Snoke We Need Your Help Luke's Breakfast Old Books The Cave Scene We Need a New Base Prep for Battle Leia Saved! Leia Saved! Fix Luke in the Falcon Watch the Language No Title 3M20INS2 Admiral Holdo Rose Appears Rose Catches Finn No Title 3M22Rev Sun Shot Thought Connection Place to Place Learning the Force Rey Awakens Lady Officer and Poe Conspire The Connection Worst People in the Universe Party Music R.T. Shore Rose's Fathiers No Title 4M32INS No Title 4M32REV2 Luke and Rey The Emperor's Theme Place in the World Six Hours Left Codebreaker... Thief The Fathiers Fathiers Charge! Crashing the Party Saying Goodbye to the Fathier Saving Leia Mirror Scene Encounter Before the Dream You're Not Alone No Title 5M46INS Touch Young Ren is Awakened Big Fights Yoda Insert Yoda Appears Not Enough Holdo's Secret Plan Traitor! Eavesdropping Mutiny I'll Help You Working Switches Dread Ladies Parting Come Closer, Child Poe Wakes Up Finn, Rose, and Hux Snoke Fighting Together Join Me Hoda's Resolve Important Scene No Title 7M67AINS After the Big Explosion Finn Fights Phasma Chrome Dome Rose and Finn Escape Hux and Ren What Cha Got? Troops and Planes Mechanical Trouble Here They Come, Again Finn's Attempted Sacrifice The Kiss Luke and Leia Together Rescuing Luke Follow Him More Fight No Title 9M85INS Rey Looks Old Friends Finale Pt. 1 End Credit Pt. 2 End Credit Pt. 3 Rev Rose's Turn [BMI repertoire lists this an alternate title for The Rebellion is Reborn] End Credit Pt. 4 Arpy and Edmilson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manakin Skywalker 4,891 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 6 hours ago, dylanskie said: And I guess they were going to show Vader's castle on Mustafar. They did. According to the visual dictionary, the wayfinder he grabs in the opening is in the middle of the ruins of Vader's destroyed castle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 8 hours ago, Jay said: I don't understand what you mean. It's the Force Theme on solo horn that opens up the final OST track. Wops...reading the cue title..I thought it was for the Ben and Rey kiss....with as bad pun.. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aviazn 273 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 11 hours ago, Chewy said: Could 7M36 Dunkirk be the scene where Lando and all the other ships arrive to help the Resistance? That would be a great reference to this: I don't know Surely it is—likely not to the film, but the actual historical events, right? We know JW doesn't watch many films. Plus he would have been eight years old at the time of the actual events—maybe he even remembers them! I distinctly recall that line, "They're not a navy—they're just…people!" and rolling my eyes and saying out loud in the theater, "Oh Jesus, it's Dunkirk." Will and Chewy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 7 minutes ago, aviazn said: "They're not a navy—they're just…people!" That line is indeed fucking atrocious. And yeah, that cue title is clearly a reference to the historical event (JW is pretty knowledgeable with this stuff -- I doubt he's seen Nolan's film or heard its score). The most baffling thing about this list is that Williams hadn't even finished scoring and Abrams had already tracked more than SIX MINUTES of old music into the film (with yet more to come in the dying weeks of post!) I know AOTC set a precedent with tracked music due to heavy VFX work, but there's no excuse when he's writing and (re)recording the score over 9 months. aviazn and Will 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 987 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 "The Ninth Beginning" gives me real Harry Potter vibes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 On 1/15/2020 at 6:39 PM, crumbs said: 1M14 Falcon Flight isn't represented in this list either (instead labelled 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping) which is curious. That was recorded the same day as End Credits (see JKMS Instagram post). You're right! 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping must be an EARLIER version of 1M14 Falcon Flight, as even though it's about the same length, the theme usage is different! The 5 seconds of Emperor's Theme is the same between both, but Falcon Flight features the Resistance Theme three times totaling about 13 seconds or so, while only 4 seconds of it are noted for Lightspeed Skipping. I don't think the Falcon theme (Rebel Fanfare) totals 7 seconds in Falcon Flight, either. This also helps explain something I wondered about, which is that Falcon Flight features the We Go Together theme, which I felt was a bit odd since this is before the proper "We Go Together" scene where the theme would naturally be introduced. I bet you Lightspeed Skipping doesn't feature that theme. Quote Also curious -- the end credits in this spreadsheet only lists 30 seconds of Luke's Theme and one minute of Rey's Theme under existing material, despite the final credits suite featuring blatant lifts from the Imperial March, Main Title, etc. Unintentional notation error or did JW have a different credits suite comprised only of new themes, before recording a new version on the same day as Falcon Flight (missing from this list)? If you look closer, you'll see they just jotted down exactly 12 minutes for the entire end credits, which to me indicates it was just a ballpark estimate. We know the end credits weren't even recorded until the final session on November 21st, and this Nov 11 cut probably didn't even have an end credits roll attached yet. They probably just threw 12 minutes on there and said yea, it'll probably have a minute of Rey's theme and 30 seconds of Luke's theme and that's that, it wasn't all figured out yet. I think the purpose of the document we were sent was to prove to the academy that hte score was eligible for Best Score nomination by containing over some certain % amount of new material, since the bottom reveals 80.55% new material. Maybe 80% is the cutoff. On 1/15/2020 at 6:48 PM, artguy360 said: Interesting that so much of the tracked music was already in the film before recording the score. I don't understand what made you jump to that conclusion. I would not expect that anything was planned as being tracked from the get-go, I would assume JW scored the entire film from scratch, and JJ simply rejected some of it and tracked old stuff in instead. 22 hours ago, CGCJ said: Looking at Jay's spreadsheet I think he's misidentified the Battle of the Resistance cues. It's seems the track includes 3 cues: 7M12 Seven Twelve 01:12-01:57 (FYC 00:00-00:51) - it has the noted Star Wars & Force themes. 7M12A Horses #2 01:57-End (FYC 00:51-End) - Has the noted Force theme. Unfortunately it seems that 00:00-01:12 of the OST track is still unknown, but could it be 7M11? Close! The changeover point is certainly 1:19 FYC (2:14 OST), as that's exactly where the Space Horses scene begins! 16 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said: Wops...reading the cue title..I thought it was for the Ben and Rey kiss....with as bad pun.. That scene is 8M14 Ben to Rey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 14 hours ago, Manakin Skywalker said: They did. According to the visual dictionary, the wayfinder he grabs in the opening is in the middle of the ruins of Vader's destroyed castle. Oh, interesting! I was thinking there would’ve be an establishing shot of it, probably in the extended sequence on Mustafar, but I guess it shows a tiny bit of his castle for a few seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 No, he goes in and meets a weird Oracle who tells him about the Wayfinder, there was a lot to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 The oracle scene would have felt out of place if it ended up looking like the concept art Spoiler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I agree--that would've felt really out of place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 I don't understand the question? It's the same in the table as in the final cut of the film and the soundtrack It'd make no sense to ever have the reunion scene before Rey leaves Exegol, how would that work Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,221 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 The Maestro's original cue titles; that is cool (even if it is only a partial list)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Any particular reason why the non-reel numbers jump around so much? Did they for example spot the end of reel 2 knowing things before would change, so they just started with 2m20 so they could be sure anything redone would fit before it? Then 2m30, then 2m32... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 No idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dylanskie 104 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, Jay said: I don't understand the question? It's the same in the table as in the final cut of the film and the soundtrack It'd make no sense to ever have the reunion scene before Rey leaves Exegol, how would that work Forget I asked that--I was thinking you hadn't edited the spreadsheet, but you did. I should've looked again. My apologies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 Looking through the table again, a couple curiosities: -What is 1M13 Tell Me What They Are all about? Nobody says this in the final cut anywhere I don't think. Since it's listed right after 2M03 The Wisdom of Maz, is this a continuation of a deleted scene? I read somewhere Maz and Leia had a scene together that got deleted. Or does the action go back to Mustafar, and this is Kylo asking the Oracle what the Wayfinders do? -Williams composed something for the Quicksand sequence we haven't heard. There's no score at all in the final cut -Rey's Incredible Hand is a funny name for the scene where she lightning-zaps the transporter -Reel Seven here has a noticeable gap for where the dual Ren vs Knights and Rey vs Guards lightsaber battle would go, possibly indicating it wasn't recorded yet by Nov 11. The chart shows "Coming Together" (7M32 Make The Sacrifice) running from 6:52:07-8:36:01 and then the Lando Arrives cue (7M36 Dunkirk) running from 10:59:06-12:41:10, so the lightsaber battle cue would have had to have been in that ~2 1/2 unscored minutes section between 8:36:01 and 10:59:06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 There's the scene post-Rey training in the film where Leia remarks "Don't tell me what things look like. Tell me what things are.". Perhaps 1M13 relates to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 Ahhh ok! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,394 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthJeremy 2 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 It doesn't seem to be that different except for the opening, right? Extended sequence on Mustafar that doesn't get to Exegol until later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 Yes there doesn't seem to be too many drastic differences between the Nov 11 cut and the final cut, apart from a longer Mustafar sequence, Falcon Flight scene happening after Rey's training instead of before it, and Ren going to Exegol and finding out the Emperor's alive sometime later in the film after all that.. and after he has his helmet fixed..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Where are we getting the idea that Kylo doesn't meet the Emperor until later in the film in this cut? I'm not seeing that on the spreadsheet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 In Reel 1 Kylo is still on Mustafar through 5:31:15, and then the rest of the reel is all cues for Rey stuff and Poe/Finn/Falcon stuff Then 2M04 The Emperor Lives doesn't appear until reel 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 That could very well be for Poe telling everyone the info, not long after Lightspeed Skipping. crumbs and DominicCobb 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 Though curiously, the only Emperor's Theme listed is at the end of Reel 1 (in Lightspeed Skipping) and the first cue of Reel 2 (2M30 Rey's Mission) until reel six (tracked in from ROTS early in the reel and then Hard to Get Rid Of later in the reel), so maybe we should have seen The Emperor before then? Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeH 768 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 @Jay have you ever thought of reaching out and seeing if you could score an interview with Ramiro for the website? It’d be great to hear about the nuts and bolts behind the whole scoring process for the Sequel Trilogy, and possibly some insights into managing and conforming all these cues for various cuts of the film. He also worked with Ken Wannberg on ROTS. Here’s an interview from TFA that I stumbled upon last night: https://cinemontage.org/may-score-music-editor-ramiro-belgardt-returns-star-wars-reboot/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 9 minutes ago, Jay said: In Reel 1 Kylo is still on Mustafar through 5:31:15, and then the rest of the reel is all cues for Rey stuff and Poe/Finn/Falcon stuff Then 2M04 The Emperor Lives doesn't appear until reel 3 Probably tracked though. Only plays for :47, :11 of which are Rey's theme. Hard to imagine we'd get a 47 second scene of Kylo meeting the Emperor right before he attacks Rey on Pasaana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 You're right! I just realized what it is. This document only covered a reel one up to 12:39:01, but reels are around 20 minutes each. So likely the Exegol sequence with Kylo meeting The Emperor would have all been at the end of reel 1, after Lightspeed Skipping, but it's not included in this document. Since the ending Kylo vs Knights / Rey vs Guards lightsaber battle music is skipped past too in the doc, in both cases maybe the music hadn't been recorded yet at the time they compiled this info, or perhaps were just skipped over in the doc for some other reason. I think a similar document to this one but for the final cut of the film would be more interesting in some ways, since we'd know exactly what every piece of music we can hear in the final cut is, but in other ways this is more interesting since it reveals how much footage was eventually cut out and how reel 1 was completely reshaped. DominicCobb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 I think "Prologue" on the OST must be 1M02 "The Ninth Beginning" and 1M08 "Approaching the Nursery." In the spreadsheet, 1M02 is :40 and has :06 of Kylo's theme. If you look at 1:26 in the OST prologue, there seems to be a potential edit point around 40 seconds later (2:06), right after a 6 second rendition of Kylo's theme (1:56-2:02). The next cue on the spreadsheet is 2:02 of 1M08 Approaching the Nursery. It seems possible JW edited these two cues together on the OST because of their placement in the November cut. This 2:02 does not include any old thematic material, but the track does have about 20 seconds of the Emperor's theme here This can be found on the spreadsheet on number 93, which is marked as 1M08 Approaching the Nursery, where they note :18 of the Emperor's theme. After the Emperor's theme on the track, you can hear a string part that ended up getting used when Rey tells Finn about her vision, after Chewie's "death": Again this is noted on the spreadsheet (37) as 1M08 Approaching the Nursery. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 You are just repeating what I said on page 1 23 hours ago, Jay said: I think Williams may have constructed the OST track "Fanfare and Prologue" to be like the film was in the Nov 11 cut [0:00-1:26] = 1M01 Main Title [1:26-2:06] = 1M022 The Ninth Beginning, which ran for 40 seconds in Nov 11 cut with 6 seconds of Kylo's Theme, just like here [2:06-end] = 1M08 Approaching The Nursery, which is notated as containing The Emperor's Theme in the portion of it that is tracked into reel 3 in the Nov 11 cut Great catch about the string bit tracked in for Rey telling Finn about the vision, though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Oh ha, I totally missed that post. Have you been trying to match cue titles to all the OST/FYC tracks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giftheck 916 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 minute ago, DominicCobb said: Oh ha, I totally missed that post. Have you been trying to match cue titles to all the OST/FYC tracks? I think that's about 5 posts in. On 1/15/2020 at 7:06 PM, Jay said: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VWApmUMfiSF9gvXb3LW9QloZO-St-ITFMF-qYaNN0fw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 Yea it wasn't terribly hard to figure out what cues most likely are in which tracks. There's certainly still some ambiguity and unknowns though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DominicCobb 194 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 You could probably add that to the top post. Shouldn't be too hard to do. As is, the way you worded it in that post just makes it seem like it's the same info posted in the thread but in a different format for those who can't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 hours ago, Jay said: The oracle scene would have felt out of place if it ended up looking like the concept art Hide contents Those last two images look like production stills/VFX shots (the spire of Vader's castle is composited into the last picture), so it must have lasted pretty long in the film. Hopefully we get either an extended cut or a generous amount of deleted scenes containing JW's music (like the TLJ deleted scenes). I have to say the design looks terrible though. The second concept art picture looks much better, less like a cartoonish puppet and more like a realistic creature. Not hard to see why this stuff was deleted; a great example of how concept art doesn't necessarily translate to live action. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthJeremy 2 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, crumbs said: Those last two images look like production stills/VFX shots (the spire of Vader's castle is composited into the last picture), so it must have lasted pretty long in the film. Hopefully we get either an extended cut or a generous amount of deleted scenes containing JW's music (like the TLJ deleted scenes). I have to say the design looks terrible though. The second concept art picture looks much better, less like a cartoonish puppet and more like a realistic creature. Not hard to see why this stuff was deleted; a great example of how concept art doesn't necessarily translate to live action. Interesting that they wanted to spend some time exploring Mustafar. The part of me that wishes for more prequel action in this film is saddened this was cut. But maybe the creature just came off as too silly. It's also just more exposition in a very exposition-heavy film. But again, I wish for a bit more prequel connections so I would've enjoyed this. Speaking of, I just listened to the Soundtrack Show with David Collins on ROTJ and I was thinking about the special edition Victory Celebration song. To me, that JW composition is one of the most beautiful I've ever heard. I love the simplistic beauty of the nature mixed with the feelings of peace across the galaxy. While I love The Rise of Skywalker score and think it's JW's best of the sequel trilogy, and especially love his new The Rise of Skywalker track/theme, I can't help but feel that the "Reunion" sequence would have been even better had he scored a brand-new 'celebration' theme a la Jedi Special Edition, and maybe even show us more of the universe than just Wicket, Cloud City, and Jakku. Anyone else have any thoughts? Smeltington and Falstaft 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,304 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 It was a very lame "the galaxy celebrates" montage, no doubt. Even the ROTJ version is far better and encompasses the whole saga up to that point. Will and greenturnedblue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 Anybody want to figure out if the Destiny of a Jedi OST track is assembled like the Nov 11 cut? 79 4 02:20:02 02:51:12 7M01 Seven One 0:31 0:31 80 5 02:51:12 03:10:21 7M02 Rey Meets Luke 0:19 0:19 81 6 03:10:21 03:17:04 6M20 Sabre Toss 1:45 1:29 0:16 Rey :06 Force :10 82 7 04:05:17 05:03:02 7M03 Luke's Advice 0:57 0:30 0:27 Rey :13 Force :14 83 8 05:03:02 07:33:22 7M10 Leia's Sabre 2:31 1:15 1:16 Leia :15 Star Wars :15 Yoda :46 There's certainly some major difference somewhere because the OST track was very close to the finat cut of the film, and the final cut of the film there was no gap in music, yet here it is shown there was about 50 seconds of unscored scenes in between 6M20 and 7M03.. unless whatever was meant to go in there hadn't been recorded yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 @Chewy "Still, there were some very effective musical moments, including ... the unreleased ... Star Wars equivalent of Dunkirk's "Home" scene when all the ships show up with Lando at the end." Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 @Jay7m10 seems to be is 3:02 on, and line up theme wise. 1:13-3:02 seems to line up with Luke's Advice. 0:21-1:13 seems to line up with Sabre Toss... 0:00-0:21 no clue about whether it is part of Sabre Toss or not CGCJ and Smaug The Iron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 Yup, sounds good Faleel! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jay said: Yup, sounds good Faleel! BTW, Are we sure that Anthem of Evil is a concert arrangement? or is that just something in your spreadsheet that is a holdover from December comparing the OST and the FYC? I ask because I am sure there is an edit at 3:07 Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will 2,215 Posted January 16, 2020 Share Posted January 16, 2020 Yikes... Seems like a bunch of JW's work ended up scoring different scenes from the ones he intended it to. So what we're hearing probably is incredibly far from JW's personal intent when he first scored the film. *sigh* Does anyone know which cue(s) would correspond with OST/FYC "We Go Together?" Can't figure it out. MikeH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,318 Posted January 16, 2020 Author Share Posted January 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: BTW, Are we sure that Anthem of Evil is a concert arrangement? or is that just something in your spreadsheet that is a holdover from December comparing the OST and the FYC? I ask because I am sure there is an edit at 3:07 It could be a true concert arrangement, it could be an assembly of unused cues, we have no idea and no way of finding out right now >shrug< 1 hour ago, Will said: Does anyone know which cue(s) would correspond with OST/FYC "We Go Together?" Can't figure it out. FYC track is 2M06 The Medal OST track is 2M06 The Medal followed by 2M07 Ship Trip https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1VWApmUMfiSF9gvXb3LW9QloZO-St-ITFMF-qYaNN0f Will 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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