The Rise of Skywalker JWFan EXCLUSIVE: The Rise of Skywalker Partial Cue List Revealed

[Taikomochi 1,136]

Nah

[Faleel 5,340]

So this new thing got put on Disney+ called "Galaxy of Sound" which is a montage of clips from all the Star Wars movies (Including TROS) with just the sound effects and no music, I wonder if it would be possible to phase invert a rip with the original film audio and get some clean music.

 

Or better yet Disney could just release a "Galaxy of Music"

 

 

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

Repost from the PM thread:

 

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Really? That sounds cool! Not sure how well inverting would work though given the compression. Maybe it could remove a bit of sound, but it'd likely be replaced with distortion.

 

EDIT: Not really working for me. The speed needed to be changed a tiny bit, which results in maybe like 10-15% of the sounds being muted, mostly lower sounds. That's about it unfortunately. Oh well.

 

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8 hours ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Or better yet Disney could just release a "Galaxy of Music"

 

I hope this happens! But I won't hold my breath.

 

Typical that they'd go to all this effort with an 8-part series on sound effects, while the music continues to be shafted.

[Giftheck 916]

It's not even a matter of rights at this point, is it? They own all the music rights at this point.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

5 hours ago, Giftheck said:

It's not even a matter of rights at this point, is it? They own all the music rights at this point.

 

Yeah they have all the rights as of I believe 2017 (sometime before the "demasters" were released). For the ST I suppose the union fees might still be a concern, but for the PT and OT there's really nothing holding them back from doing something with them.

[Tom 4,639]

1 hour ago, Manakin Skywalker said:

 

 but for the PT and OT there's really nothing holding them back from doing something with them.

You forgot about stupidity.  It is a real thing, and it will continue to hold them back from doing something.  

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

9 minutes ago, Tom said:

You forgot about stupidity.  It is a real thing, and it will continue to hold them back from doing something.  

 

That is unfortunately true. I don't know whether to react to your comment with the "haha" face or the "really sad" face...

 

We really need a 😐 reaction.

[Jay 37,287]

Like this?

 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

@Jay@crumbs@Falstaft@Ludwig@ragoz350 

So, I think I may have figured out one oddity in the TROS cue list. I was having trouble imagining how the big ship would blow up in 8M7 Big Ship Blows Up, but then Finn and Jannah’s fate is seemingly left unresolved until several cues later in 8M10 Success and Sliding.

 

8M1 Approaching the Emperor #2

8M4 Psalm of the Sith

8M5 Jumping The Chain

8M7 Big Ship Blows Up

8M8 On Their Knees

8M10 Success and Sliding

 

I think 8M7 may instead actually be an early version of 7M36 Dunkirk, for the scene where Lando and the giant fleet show up. (It’s listed as ‘The Dunkirk Shot’ in the databases. Same thing, or was it revised again?) The scene does in fact also feature a big ship blowing up:

 

 

8M9 would theoretically be an early version of 7M38 I Am All The Sith. And then one can discern the same basic flow of events as the final cut in the list of cues above. The missing 8M2 and/or 8M3 would be an early version of 7M30 More Action.

 

The thing that was tripping me up is that 8M7 (or part of it, more likely) is used later on in the November 11th cut, but there’s such an enormous amount of tracking it wouldn’t surprise me to learn this wasn’t the place it was intended for.

[Jay 37,287]

Huh.  Interesting theory and could observation about another big ship blowing up!

[Courtney Sees Ghosts 269]

Can this same brave soul leak audio one day? Please.

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Interesting revelation here for the musical nerds out there.

 

There's a cue from TROS called The Kiss. One of the cellists who worked on the sequel trilogy even describes its musical content: "This part, I'm looking at it right now, it's in D minor, it's REALLY sad. You think, wait a minute, it's a kiss, why is it sad? We were all wondering... somebody died!")

 

The discussion about vague cue titles comes up here, then she pulls out her phone to read the actual sheet music:

 

The only other cue title she mentioned was Cockpit Dialogue, which we already knew about. She also specifies it was an Episode IX cue -- not the identically named cue from TLJ.

 

So why is this an interesting revelation? Because I'd long speculated the music for Ben/Rey's kiss in the film is either an insert or a fragment of an alternate, based on some very obvious editing revealed in the spectogram (check the black gap from 2:50 onwards, indicating an alternate recording was spliced in, complete with an artificially pitch-shifted section immediately preceding it):

 

@Falstaft @BrotherSound you might be interested in this!

[BrotherSound 2,242]

Ah, if only she'd continued naming cues, preferably with the slates...

 

18 hours ago, crypto said:

She also specifies it was an Episode IX cue -- not the identically named cue from TLJ.

 

And it's extremely unlikely she's confusing it with the TLJ cue, because that one's in D-flat major.

 

Unfortunately the GEMA list is no help with knowing whether this cue is in the film or not, because it's missing several titles we know for certain are in the film, but happen to be the same as cue titles for other JW scores, which would also be the case for The Kiss:

 

1M1 Main Title

7M5 March of the Resistance

9M5Alt Return to Tatooine

8M16 End Credits

 

18 hours ago, crypto said:

So why is this an interesting revelation? Because I'd long speculated the music for Ben/Rey's kiss in the film is either an insert or a fragment of an alternate, based on some very obvious editing revealed in the spectogram (check the black gap from 2:50 onwards, indicating an alternate recording was spliced in, complete with an artificially pitch-shifted section immediately preceding it):

 

If that's [8M11?] The Kiss, it's almost certainly a fragment of an alternate, rather than an insert, because that section isn't in D-minor at all: it shifts quickly from a unison E to C major to C minor. When the flute comes in, we appear to be back in the other cue (8M14 Ben to Rey).

 

I know one of the editors mentioned that there was uncertainty about rather the infamous kiss would be included in the film, so I think what happened is that 8M14 Ben to Rey (notably also in D-minor) is a revision written when the kiss was out. Everyone was happy with it, but then the kiss got edited back in when it was too late to record another insert, so a fragment of either The Kiss or [8M13?] Rey and Ren (which appears around here in the GEMA cue list) was pressed into service to cover this part, with the pitch-shifting @cryptonoted to cover the transition. It's notable that in the November 11th cut, 8M14 Ben to Rey is listed as shorter by exactly the length of whatever this section is.

 

If this all sounds very convoluted, this actually seems to be one of the less complex and most seamless music edits in the film!

[Disco Stu 15,495]

John Williams and his team if they had announced JJ was directing Indy 5:

 

[Tom 4,639]

44 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

John Williams and his team if they had announced JJ was directing Indy 5:

 

Mutt goes evil, and Indy and Marion break up.  Indy goes back to the only thing he ever knew.  Marion tells Indy to confront Mutt, who in turn kills him. Oh, and Sallah lives on a deserted island for no good reason.  Iris out.  

[Smeltington 1,436]

Great work, guys! What do we know about the makeup of Farewell on the OST compared to this portion of the film?

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12 hours ago, Smeltington said:

Great work, guys! What do we know about the makeup of Farewell on the OST compared to this portion of the film?

 

They replicated what was created editorially for the film version, essentially.

 

Whatever JW recorded for this scene, for either the original or revised cues, remains unknown.

[Smeltington 1,436]

Damn, so the OST has the pitch shifting too? Sheeeit.

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10 minutes ago, Smeltington said:

Damn, so the OST has the pitch shifting too? Sheeeit.

 

... it ain't the only place with pitch-shifted music on the OST, either.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

9 minutes ago, Smeltington said:

Damn, so the OST has the pitch shifting too? Sheeeit.

Yep!

 

This isn’t even the only instance of apparent pitch-shifting on the TROS album: ‘Anthem of Evil’ has more than one segment that appears to be shifted on the spectrogram.

[Smeltington 1,436]

There is no god!!

[Falstaft 2,132]

This all makes me even more frustrated that the TROS Signature Edition hasn't come out yet, and that we're largely in the dark as to exactly what is in those 4 movements...

[SilverTrumpet 638]

On 23/02/2022 at 9:35 PM, crypto said:

Interesting revelation here for the musical nerds out there.

 

There's a cue from TROS called The Kiss. One of the cellists who worked on the sequel trilogy even describes its musical content: "This part, I'm looking at it right now, it's in D minor, it's REALLY sad. You think, wait a minute, it's a kiss, why is it sad? We were all wondering... somebody died!")

 

The discussion about vague cue titles comes up here, then she pulls out her phone to read the actual sheet music:

 

The only other cue title she mentioned was Cockpit Dialogue, which we already knew about. She also specifies it was an Episode IX cue -- not the identically named cue from TLJ.

 

So why is this an interesting revelation? Because I'd long speculated the music for Ben/Rey's kiss in the film is either an insert or a fragment of an alternate, based on some very obvious editing revealed in the spectogram (check the black gap from 2:50 onwards, indicating an alternate recording was spliced in, complete with an artificially pitch-shifted section immediately preceding it):

 

@Falstaft @BrotherSound you might be interested in this!

 

They say "the kiss" would be a huge spoiler. 

 

Before that movie you'd have NO reason to think Ben and Rey would kiss. Nobody expected them to do the tumblr fantasy stuff.

 

Also, just watching the movie, you can see the picture of that scene was edited as well, to run backwards. When Ben dies you can see his hair is in the wrong direction like it was played in reverse. Maybe he was supposed to be pulled up and they kiss and then Rey dies? 

 

 

 

and remember folks, that kiss was totally platonic. 

 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

2 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said:

Before that movie you'd have NO reason to think Ben and Rey would kiss

 

Dude, whatever you think of the movie or the character dynamic, I thought it was pretty explicitly set up in TLJ.  Not saying he executed it (the only thing JJ executed with TROS was any remaining respect I had for him as a filmmaker), but that struck me as one of the few threads from TLJ JJ didn't actively reject.

[SilverTrumpet 638]

2 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

 

Dude, whatever you think of the movie or the character dynamic, I thought it was pretty explicitly set up in TLJ.  Not saying he executed it (the only thing JJ executed with TROS was any remaining respect I had for him as a filmmaker), but that struck me as one of the few threads from TLJ JJ didn't actively reject.

 

There was an argument to be made after The Last Jedi that something was brewing there, but it was never in a lovey romantic kiss sorta way. 

 

It was the same dynamic that Rey and Finn had in The Force Awakens where they were drawn to each other because they felt like they finally found someone who understood them. 

 

I wasn't just being crass. I really don't know anyone outside of tumblr who thought it would end in a kiss like that, 

[Disco Stu 15,495]

I don't know why I decided to counter-argue anyway, I stopped caring about even the existence of TFA/TLJ after TROS came out.  I'm just glad the ship has been righted (for me anyway) with the Mandoverse and hopefully Obi-Wan too.  Give me the complete scores to the ST so I can enjoy them and pretend they're like a Star Wars concert tone poem or something.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

48 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said:

Also, just watching the movie, you can see the picture of that scene was edited as well, to run backwards. When Ben dies you can see his hair is in the wrong direction like it was played in reverse. Maybe he was supposed to be pulled up and they kiss and then Rey dies? 

 

Sometimes they'll reverse shots like that for practical concerns: easier to keep from accidentally bumping an actor's head raising them up rather than lowering them down. Though in this case, the editor specifically said no shots were reversed: https://comicbook.com/starwars/news/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-ben-solo-footage-reversed-rey-kylo-ren/

 

11 minutes ago, Disco Stu said:

Give me the complete scores to the ST so I can enjoy them and pretend they're like a Star Wars concert tone poem or something.

 

This!

[Smeltington 1,436]

Between the endless changes, the fact that he probably never saw the final cut, and his hazy grasp on the events of the previous films, Williams must be so confused about the story of TROS. They should film a drunk history where he tries to explain it.

[SilverTrumpet 638]

3 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

 

Sometimes they'll reverse shots like that for practical concerns: easier to keep from accidentally bumping an actor's head raising them up rather than lowering them down. Though in this case, the editor specifically said no shots were reversed: https://comicbook.com/starwars/news/star-wars-the-rise-of-skywalker-ben-solo-footage-reversed-rey-kylo-ren/

 

Never saw this. That seems hard to believe. The shot looks way too weird and unnatural. 

 

3 hours ago, Disco Stu said:

Give me the complete scores to the ST so I can enjoy them and pretend they're like a Star Wars concert tone poem or something.

 

That's the spirit! 

 

Me too. I don't know why it was even worth arguing about for either of us. Sorry. It's so irrelevant. 

[DiamondFire 67]

Hey everyone, so the new Lego Star Wars released and... it has a lot of Episode 9 music. (Quite a lot I don't recognize I might add)

However, there is this track for the Pasaana Dancing... and it's not the one from the film. Any ideas? (It's a .ogg file open in VLC)

[Jay 37,287]

Whatever file that's supposed to be doesn't play for me

[DiamondFire 67]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

Whatever file that's supposed to be doesn't play for me

Yeah it's a bit weird. You have to open it in VLC specifically or it won't work since its just a renamed audio_data file.

 

Will try to convert

[Jay 37,287]

Ah thanks, it plays in VLC

 

I don't recognize the music, but it's clearly the work of some other composer, and not John Williams

[DiamondFire 67]

8 minutes ago, Jay said:

Ah thanks, it plays in VLC

 

I don't recognize the music, but it's clearly the work of some other composer, and not John Williams

Ah yeah okay. I didn't think it sounded very Williams Esq but wanted to ask jic lol

 

There's so much stuff here and some of it sounds like he made of it and others not (I am aware he did Speeder Chase and the like) 

 

(there is more exegol, kefbir, pasaana & ajan music in other folders but screenshot was just to show)

[Manakin Skywalker 4,891]

2 hours ago, DIamondFire said:

Hey everyone, so the new Lego Star Wars released and... it has a lot of Episode 9 music. (Quite a lot I don't recognize I might add)

However, there is this track for the Pasaana Dancing... and it's not the one from the film. Any ideas? (It's a .ogg file open in VLC

 

Most of the music used for TROS levels isn't from the film's score, it's original music written for the game. 

 

EDIT: Simon Withenshaw is the composer.

[Luke Skywalker 1,792]

How nice, they 'scored' the last chapter as if the game had been released at TROS' release date... so they didnt use any TROS music in these two years of delays, to make us feel like when they Released LEGO Star wars (I) and ROTS had not a single note from the film because it had been released along with it.

 

[Cameron007 43]

So, is it safe to say "Rey Meets Luke" isn't part of "Destiny of a Jedi"? If not, where would that be?

[BrotherSound 2,242]

3 hours ago, Cameron007 said:

So, is it safe to say "Rey Meets Luke" isn't part of "Destiny of a Jedi"? If not, where would that be?

Hmm, why do you say that? As far as we know, 7M2 is the opening of the track, though partially replaced by an insert (6M20 Sabre Toss), with the breakdown of the OST track as follows:

 

6 Destiny of a Jedi 5:12

0:00-0:22 7M2 Rey Meets Luke

0:22-1:13 6M20 Sabre Toss

1:13-3:01 7M3 Luke's Advice

3:01-end 7M10 Leia's Sabre

[Cameron007 43]

1 hour ago, BrotherSound said:

Hmm, why do you say that? As far as we know, 7M2 is the opening of the track, though partially replaced by an insert (6M20 Sabre Toss), with the breakdown of the OST track as follows:

 

6 Destiny of a Jedi 5:12

0:00-0:22 7M2 Rey Meets Luke

0:22-1:13 6M20 Sabre Toss

1:13-3:01 7M3 Luke's Advice

3:01-end 7M10 Leia's Sabre

 

Ah, gotcha. I assumed it wasn't because it hadn't been mentioned before. But I also wasn't sure where else it would've gone.

 

Thanks!

[BrotherSound 2,242]

1 hour ago, Cameron007 said:

Ah, gotcha. I assumed it wasn't because it hadn't been mentioned before. But I also wasn't sure where else it would've gone.

 

No problem! This score certainly gets confusing with the enormous amount of tracked music and revisions atop revisions. Speaking of which, part of 7M2 Rey Meets Luke which doesn’t appear in ‘Destiny of a Jedi’ was tracked elsewhere in the film:

 

 

[BrotherSound 2,242]

I found this curious breakdown of TROS with GEMA's AV Productions search:

 

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Cue Sheet

• Title

  Work number

  Playing time
• IMPERIAL MARCH

  1657192-001

  1:50 min
• THE EMPEROR'S THEME

  20529312-001

  2:54 min
• THE MILLENNIUM FALCON THEME

  24816469-001

  0:14 min
• REY'S THEME

  16443803-001

  3:19 min
• LIDO HEY

  24815587-001

  1:10 min
• STOP AND START

  24816364-001

  1:28 min
• KYLO'S THEME

  24815543-001

  0:06 min
• UNDER A BLANKET

  24816557-001

  0:20 min
• PSALM OF THE SITH

  24815977-001

  0:13 min
• PARENTS

  24815899-001

  1:57 min
• MAKE THE SACRIFICE

  24815659-001

  1:21 min
• I AM ALL THE SITH

  24815402-001

  1:27 min
• BEN TO REY

  24814849-001

  1:54 min
• LUKE AND LEIA

  1285393-001

  0:43 min
• THE FORCE THEME

  24816866-001

  3:31 min
• PRINCESS LEIA'S THEME

  4370890-001

  1:17 min
• OMA'S PLACE

  24815861-001

  0:16 min
• STAR WARS (MAIN THEME)

  18238116-001

  5:40 min
• DARTH VADER'S DEATH

  3496965-001

  0:45 min
• THE BIRTH OF THE TWINS AND PADME'S DESTINY

  8847188-001

  0:35 min
• PLANS FOR THE TWINS (PART I)

  10880294-001

  0:45 min
• THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK(TFM)

  1175153-001

  1:26 min
• NAME THAT TUNE

  24815772-001

  0:44 min
• REY'S THEME

  16443803-001

  1:10 min
• WILLIAMS:MAIN TITLE THEME

  7307762-001

  1:26 min
• STAR WARS: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER

  24816350-001

  82:29 min

 

Some pretty odd things going on here:

• Only a handful of TROS cues are listed, some with odd durations (There's something like 4 minutes of 8M14 Ben to Rey in the film, definitely far more than 1:54, and there's also definitely far more than 13 seconds of 8M4 Psalm of the Sith, and obviously there's far more than 6 seconds of Kylo's theme).
• The tracking from Revenge of the Sith is listed, but not the cues tracked from The Force Awakens, The Last Jedi, and Return of the Jedi.
• Rey's Theme has two entries.
• I think the "The Empire Strikes Back(TFM)" entry is actually for Yoda's theme. There's 1:26 of it in the November 11th cut, and I don't believe that changed at all in the final edit.
• Wild that there's 2:54 of the Emperor's theme! That might even be more than ROTJ.

 

[Jurassic Shark 12,030]

On 14/11/2021 at 8:58 PM, BrotherSound said:

7M30 More Action

 

That one was written especially for Daisy, I've been told. 

[Brando 1,856]

13 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:

The tracking from The Phantom Menace is listed

Tracking from TPM?

[BrotherSound 2,242]

2 minutes ago, Brando said:

Tracking from TPM?

 

 

Oops, I meant ROTS.

[Brando 1,856]

I was about to say I did not remember this discovery

[Jay 37,287]

Isn't it Return of the Jedi that's tracked into TROS?  The Vader's Death cue inside the Death Star remains?

[Brando 1,856]

5 minutes ago, Jay said:

Isn't it Return of the Jedi that's tracked into TROS?  The Vader's Death cue inside the Death Star remains?

Yes, but 2 or 3 cues from ROTS are also used.

[BrotherSound 2,242]

6 minutes ago, Jay said:

Isn't it Return of the Jedi that's tracked into TROS?  The Vader's Death cue inside the Death Star remains?

Yes, that Jedi cue is pretty prominent, but there’s no less than 20 tracked cues from other Star Wars episodes, 4 different films!

 

The Force Awakens (9)

 

1M1A Starry Night

3M26R You’re Han Solo (x2)

4M36R I Ran Into You

5M46R Kylo Stalks Rey

6M50R Han and Leia Reunion

6M55R Council Meeting

6M56E Ren in Cockpit

7M67B Rey Gets Sabre

8M77 March of the Resistance

 

The Last Jedi (8)

 

1M9 Revisiting Snoke (x2)

2M18A Holdo’s Secret Plan

3M22 Fun With Finn and Rose

4M36 Luke and Rey

5M48 Insert

8M71 What ‘Cha Got

9M85A Insert - Rey Looks

0M8 Saying Goodbye to the Fathier

 

Revenge of the Sith (2)

 

7M3 The Birth of the Twins (x2)

7M5 Plans for the Twins

 

Return of the Jedi (1)

 

13M2 Vader’s Death

[Jay 37,287]

Oh wow I totally forgot about those two ROTS cues being in there!  Damn, what a crazy thing to happen