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What does the alternate suite look/sounds like? More original material?

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Oh man, that’d be so great to hear one day. TLJ is great but the ending scene and credits is just kind of unfocused compared to the brilliant Farewell and the Trip/Jedi Steps and Finale from TFA.

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10 hours ago, Falco said:


Not true

 

Oh yeah, I totally forgot all the cool variations on the Exile Theme! My mistake.

 

Interesting developments that never made it into the final score :(

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On 3/28/2021 at 6:40 PM, crumbs said:

 

Oh yeah, I totally forgot all the cool variations on the Exile Theme! My mistake.

 

Interesting developments that never made it into the final score :(

There are variations of the exile theme? I would so love to hear them. It is such an underused motif in the final score.

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3 hours ago, JohnnyD said:

Cool. Any chance of listing all of the cues in chronological order? Just as a reference.


Sure! Though, unfortunately the GEMA database only has codes that show the initial appearance of each cue. In most films that wouldn’t make much difference, but some of these cues are tracked as many as 3-4 times, sometimes only for a few seconds. I’ve also denoted a few missing cues with asterisks that appear to be missing because of an issue with reused titles, and also none of the numerous tracked cues from other episodes are listed here.

 

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1M1 Main Title*

4M2 Rey's Incredible Hand

Ready To Be A Jedi

1M15 Vader's Castle

6M13 Rey's Trip to P

1M22 The Ninth Beginning

Chewie's Interrogation

1M8 Approaching the Nursery

Uncharted Territory

5M6 Hard to Get Rid Of

8M4 Psalm of the Sith

6M7 Stop and Start

8M8 On Their Knees

1M26 Lightspeed Skipping

1M9 Rey Wakes Up

1M20 Rey's Training

2M3 The Wisdom of Maz

1M24 Meditation

2M30 Rey's Mission

2M6 The Medal

2M20 The Forge

2M2 Fixing the Helmet

2M7 Ship Trip

0M1 Children's School

2M1 Cockpit Dialog

3M0 Lando

3M7 Ochi and the Dagger

3M1 Before the Chase

1M6 Ren's Entrance

1M14 Falcon's Last Trip

3M3 [The Speeder Chase]*

1M4 Through the Jungle

Tunnel Monster

5M5 Rey Sees Mother

7M2 Rey Meets Luke

3M6 Knights of Ren

4M1 Rey Senses Ren's Approach

More Maz

6M4 Daisy in a Veil

4M12 Ship Walk and Talk

4M5 To The End

4M5B Good Ship, Bad Ship

2M4 The Emperor Lives

1M13 Tell Me What They Are

4M4 Zucini?

4M10 Red Eyes

5M3 Hallway Shooting

4M6 He Won't Remember

4M11 Poe and Girlfriend

The Feeling

5M1 Meddling and Poe's Crush

8M11A Dropping the Sabre

8M14 Ben to Rey

5M7 I'm The Spy

5M8 Genealogy

7M12 Seven Twelve

5M10 Landing At ?

It Fits!

7M1 Seven One

5M12 Off The Waterfront

6M2 Rey Climbs Pipes

6M2A Climbing

Filial Fencing

6M5 Leia Lies Down

6M8 Healing Wounds

5M30 Under a Blanket

7M8 Father Knows Best

6M12 Six Twelve

6M20 Sabre Toss

7M3 Luke's Advice

7M10 Leia's Sabre

Wayfinder Insert

7M4 The Meeting

7M5 March of the Resistance*

1M26 Spy's Message

7M12A Horses #2

7M20 Approaching the Throne

7M21 More Action

7M30 Parents

7M32 Make The Sacrifice

The Crowd Joins In

The Last Fight

Hero Fight

8M7 Big Ship Blows Up

Emperor's Attack

The Dunkirk Shot

7M36 I Am All The Sith

7M44 Name That Tune

8M10 Success and Sliding

8M14 Rey and Ren

9M3 Bows

9M5Alt Return to Tatooine*

8M15 Horn Solo

8M16 End Credits*


*missing from GEMA

 

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Thanks, but when I said chronological order, I meant as composed and conducted, not the sequence of music in the finished film that also included tracked music. Is it possible to list all of the cues in chronological order as composed and conducted, including unused music? Just curious.

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It's impossible to know the order; The sheet music hasn't leaked yet

 

This entire thread is about people trying to piece together that based on what (little) we know or can figure out

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36 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:


Well, there’s still tons we don’t know yet. And as is the case with TFA, even with that information, it’s impossible to establish the “one, true order” of cues, because it was very much a moving target.

 

However, with that disclaimer, here’s my best guess at fitting together all the know cues as intended, using the ordering from the original spotting from March 2019. Some of these are certain (like 1M20 Rey Training being a revision of music for the same basic scene as 1M4 Through the Jungle and 1M5 Rey Trains), but plenty are just my best guess based on the limited information available. It’s a bit of a fool’s errand, but I love this score enough to attempt it!

 

I’ll group by scene since the order of many scenes changed over the months of post-production:

 

Main Title

 

1M1 Main Title

 

Luke/Leia Duel (Original Opening)

 

[1M2] Filial Fencing

 

Rey Training

 

1M3 Nothing Is Impossible

[1M3R] 1M24 Meditation

1M4 Through the Jungle

1M5 Rey Trains

[1M4R/1M5R] 1M20 Rey Training

 

From Mustafar to Exegol

 

[1M2R] 1M22 The Ninth Beginning

1M6 Ren's Entrance

[1M6R] 1M15 Vader’s Castle

[1M6 Insert/1M5R] Ready to Be a Jedi

[1M7] Uncharted Territory

1M8 Approaching The Nursery [a.k.a. Approaching the Emperor]

 

Back at the Resistance Base

 

1M9 Rey Wakes Up

[1M9R] 1M13 Tell Me What They Are

 

Lightspeed Skipping

 

2M1 Cockpit Dialog

[2M1R] 1M14 Falcon’s Last Trip

[2M1RR] 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping

[Insert?] 1M26 Spy's Message

 

Fixing the Helmet

 

2M2 Fixing The Helmet

[2M2R] 2M20 The Forge

 

Preparing for the Mission

 

2M3 The Wisdom of Maz

2M4 The Emperor Lives

[2M4R] 2M30 Rey's Mission

[2M5] More Maz

2M6 The Medal

2M7 Ship Trip

 

Pasaana Festival

 

[2M8] 0M1 Children's School

3M0 Lando

 

Speeder Chase

 

3M1 Before The Chase

3M3 No Title

3M4 Quicksand!

[3M4R] 2M32 Quicksand 

 

Knights of Ren

 

3M6 Knights of Ren

 

In the Tunnel

 

3M7 Ochi and the Dagger

[3M8] Tunnel Monster

 

Desert Confrontation

 

4M1 Rey Senses Ren's Approach

4M2 Rey's Incredible Hand

 

To Kijimi

 

4M4 Zucini?

4M5 To The End

4M5B Good Ship, Bad Ship

 

Note: 4M4 and 4M5 slates seem reversed

 

Droid Workshop

 

4M6 He Won't Remember

4M7 Rey's Grief

[4M8 or 4M9] Chewie's Interrogation

4M10 Red Eyes

4M11 Poe and Girlfriend

 

On the Star Destroyer

 

4M12 Ship Walk and Talk

5M1 Meddling and Poe's Crush

5M3 Hallway Shooting

5M5 Rey Sees Mother

5M6 Hard To Get Rid Of

5M7 I'm The Spy

5M8 Genealogy

 

Death Star Ruins

 

5M10 Landing At ?

[5M10 Insert] It Fits!

[5M11] The Feeling

5M12 Off The Waterfront

 

Rey in the Death Star

 

6M2 Rey Climbs Pipes

6M2A Climbing

6M4 Daisy In A Veil

 

Duel and the Death of Leia

 

6M5 Leia Lies Down

[6M6] The Last Fight

6M7 Stop and Start

6M8 Healing Wounds

[6M9R] 5M30 Under a Blanket

 

Destruction of Kijimi

 

6M12 Six Twelve

 

Resistance Base Again

 

7M1 Seven One

 

Ahch-To Island

 

7M2 Rey Meets Luke

[7M2 Insert] 6M20 Sabre Toss

7M3 Luke's Advice

 

Preparing for the Battle

 

7M4 The Meeting

7M5 March Of The Resistance

 

Kylo Alone

 

7M8 Father Knows Best

 

Ahch-To Continued

 

7M10 Leia's Sabre

[7M10 Insert] Wayfinder Insert

 

Battle of Exegol and Final Confrontation

 

[7M11R] 6M13 Rey's Trip To P

7M12 Seven Twelve

7M12A Horses #2

8M1 Approaching the Emperor #2

[8M1R] 7M20 Approaching The Throne

[8M2R] 7M21 More Action

8M4 Psalm of the Sith

[8M4R] 7M30 Parents

8M5 Jumping The Chain

[8M5R Pt. 1] 7M32 Make The Sacrifice

[8M5R Pt. 2] Hero Fight

[8M6R] 7M36 Dunkirk

[8M6RR] The Dunkirk Shot

8M7 Big Ship Blows Up

8M8 On Their Knees

[8M8R] Emperor’s Attack

[8M9R] 7M28 Seeing Sights

[8M9RR] 7M38 I Am All The Sith

[8M9RR Insert] 7M44 Name That Tune

8M10 Success and Sliding

[8M11] Rey and Ren

[8M11 Insert] 8M11A Dropping The Sabre

[8M11R] 8M14 Ben to Rey

 

Finale

 

9M3 Bows

9M5ALT Return to Tatooine

[9M6R] 8M15 Horn Solo

[9M7R] 8M16 End Credits

[9M7 Insert] 8M17 Duel of the Fates Excerpt

 

Imagine listening to this album 😍 

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On 1/15/2020 at 7:42 PM, Jay said:

And here's all the info from the document, in a nice readable table!

 

 

## # Start End Title Dur Orig Old Other Old Notes
        REEL ONE v9DC2          
1 1 00:23:20 01:50:03 1M01 Main Title 1:26   1:26   Star Wars 1:26
2 2 01:50:03 02:30:13 1M022 The Ninth Beginning 0:40 0:34 0:06   Kylo :06
3 3 02:30:13 04:34:05 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 2:04 1:53 0:11   Kylo :11
4 4 04:34:05 04:48:12 1M15 Vader's Castle 0:14   0:14   Vader :14
5 5 04:48:12 05:31:15 8M04 Psalm of the Sith 0:43 0:43      
6 6 05:31:15 06:01:17 1M24 Meditation 0:30 0:18 0:12   Force :12
7 7 06:01:17 06:19:09 1M09 Rey Wakes Up 0:18 0:18      
8 8 06:19:09 07:49:12 1M20 Rey Training 1:30 1:05 0:25   Rey :15 Vader :06 Kylo :04
9 9 07:49:12 08:13:10 1M05 Rey Trains 0:24 0:24      
10 10 08:21:13 08:30:20 2M03 The Wisdom of Maz 0:09 0:09      
11 11 08:30:20 09:23:12 1M13 Tell Me What They Are 0:53 0:53      
12 12 10:07:17 12:39:01 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping 2:31 2:15 0:16   Emperor :05 Resistance :04 Falcon :07
        REEL TWO v9DC3          
13 1 00:08:00 02:10:00 2M30 Rey's Mission 2:02 1:22 0:40   Emperor :10 Rey :20 Force :10
14 2 02:10:00 02:52:20 2M20 The Forge 0:43 0:23 0:20   Kylo :20
15 3 02:59:05 04:50:08 2M06 The Medal 1:51 1:29 0:22   Force :22
16 4 04:50:08 06:03:13 2M02 Fixing The Helmet 1:13 1:07 0:06   Kylo :06
17 5 06:03:13 06:34:21 2M07 Ship Trip 0:31 0:31      
18 6 06:28:01 07:32:10 2S35 JJ Festival Music 1:04     1:04  
19 7 07:32:10 09:38:01 0M01 Children's School 2:05 1:41 0:24   Rey :10 Kylo :14
20 8 09:38:01 10:10:17 2M01 Cockpit Dialog 0:33 0:33      
21 9 10:10:17 10:27:15 8M05 Jumping The Chain 0:17 0:17      
22 10 10:27:15 10:56:23 3M00 Lando 0:29 0:29      
23 11 10:56:23 11:40:13 5M10 Landing At ? 0:43 0:43      
24 12 11:40:13 12:43:19 3M00 Lando 1:03 0:50 0:13   Leia :13
25 13 12:43:19 13:13:05 3M01 Before The Chase 0:29 0:29      
26 14 13:13:05 15:29:07 3M03 No Title 2:16 2:05 0:11   Rey :11
27 15 15:41:22 16:08:00 2M32 Quicksand 0:28 0:28      
        REEL THREE v9DC4          
28 1 00:08:03 00:43:10 3M07 Ochi and the Dagger 0:37 0:37      
29 2 01:16:00 02:35:06 3M07 Ochi and the Dagger 1:19 1:19      
30 3 02:51:05 04:01:03 6M02 Rey Climbs Pipes 1:10 1:10      
31 4 04:01:03 04:48:04 2M04 The Emperor Lives 0:47 0:22 0:25   Rey :11 Force :14
32 5 04:48:04 05:02:08 3M06 Knights of Ren 0:14 0:14      
33 6 05:02:08 05:19:18 2M07 Ship Trip 0:17 0:17      
34 7 05:19:18 07:46:09 4M01 Rey Senses Ren's Approach 2:26 2:15 0:11   Resistance :11
35 8 08:48:10 09:55:22 4M02 Rey's Incredible Hand 1:07 0:57 0:10   Kylo :10
36 9 10:11:15 10:40:03 8M08 On Their Knees 0:28 0:28      
37 10 10:59:11 11:37:19 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 0:38 0:38      
38 11 11:28:04 12:23:09 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk 0:55 0:55      
39 12 13:01:13 13:28:18 4M05 To The End 0:27 0:27      
40 13 13:28:18 14:13:15 4M05B Good Ship, Bad Ship 1:50 1:50      
41 14 14:13:15 14:37:19 2M04 The Emperor Lives 0:24 0:13 0:11   Rey :11
42 15 15:26:15 17:13:05 4M04 Zucini? 1:46 1:46      
43 16 17:13:05 17:22:14 5M03 Hallway Shooting 0:09 0:09      
44 17 17:22:14 17:39:01 3S35 JJ Bar Source 0:16     0:16  
45 18 18:42:17 19:34:04 4M06 He Won't Remember 0:51 0:43 0:08   Star Wars :08
46 19 19:35:21 19:58:14 1M06 Ren's Entrance 0:22 0:22      
        REEL FOUR v9 DC 5          
47 1 00:53:21 02:01:13 4M11 Poe and Girlfriend 1:07 1:07      
48 2 02:08:07 02:40:04 4M36 from Ep.8 Luke and Rey 0:32     0:32  
49 3 02:40:04 03:39:14 4M10 Red Eyes 1:09 1:05 0:04   Kylo :04
50 4 03:51:12 05:45:00 5M01 Meddling and Poe's Crush 1:53 1:42 0:11   Kylo :11
51 5 05:54:08 08:05:12 5M03 Hallway Shooting 2:11 2:04 0:07   Resistance:07
52 6 08:06:12 08:55:13 5M05 Rey Sees Mother 0:49 0:42 0:07   Vader :07
53 7 09:07:19 11:27:03 5M06 Hard To Get Rid Of 2:19 2:08 0:11   Emperor :11
54 8 11:27:03 12:58:23 5M07 I'm The Spy 1:31 1:16 0:15   Rey :08, Kylo :04, Star Wars :03
55 9 12:59:00 15:16:03 5M08 Geneology 2:17 2:09 0:08   Star Wars :04, Rey :04
56 10 15:16:03 15:44:19 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk 0:29 0:29      
57 11 15:49:05 16:11:10 4M07 Rey's Grief 0:22 0:22      
58 12 16:11:10 16:28:23 5M46R from Ep.7 Kylo Stalks Rey 0:32     0:32  
59 13 16:28:23 17:02:07 6M56E from Ep.7 Ren In Cockpit 0:33     0:33  
60 14 17:02:07 18:19:06 5M10 Landing At ? 1:17 1:17      
        REEL FIVE v9DC3          
61 1 00:51:18 01:15:04 4M36R from Ep.7 I Ran Into You 0:23     0:23  
62 2 01:15:04 01:41:13 2M06 The Medal 0:26 0:12 0:14   Force :14
63 3 01:41:13 02:45:11 5M12 Off The Waterfront 1:03 1:03      
64 4 02:57:01 03:31:14 6M02 Rey Climbs Pipes 0:34 0:34      
65 5 03:52:03 04:20:08 6M02A Climbing 0:28 0:28      
66 6 04:20:08 05:05:23 13M2 from Ep.6 Vader's Death 0:45     0:45  
67 7 06:59:16 07:49:13 6M04 Daisy In A Veil 0:50 0:50      
68 8 07:49:13 07:55:17 6M05 Leia Lies Down 0:06 0:06      
69 9 07:55:17 08:18:20 6M50R from Ep.7 Han and Leia Reunion 0:23     0:23  
70 10 09:52:05 11:17:23 6M07 Stop and Start 1:26 1:20 0:06   Kylo :06
71 11 11:34:21 13:36:13 6M08 Healing Wounds 2:02 1:52 0:10   Force :10
72 12 13:36:13 14:37:13 5M30 Under a Blanket 1:01 0:11 0:50   Leia :50
73 13 15:15:19 16:56:12 7M08 Father Knows Best 1:43 1:43      
74 14 16:56:12 07:14:23 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 0:18 0:18      
75 15 17:14:23 17:34:04 1M06 Ren's Entrance 0:19 0:19      
        REEL SIX V9DC5          
76 1 00:08:04 00:47:01 6M12 Six Twelve 0:39 0:39      
77 2 01:05:13 01:25:21 7M03 from Ep.3 The Birth of the Twins 0:20     0:20  
78 3 01:25:21 02:15:00 7M05 from Ep.3 Plans for the Twins 0:49     0:49  
79 4 02:20:02 02:51:12 7M01 Seven One 0:31 0:31      
80 5 02:51:12 03:10:21 7M02 Rey Meets Luke 0:19 0:19      
81 6 03:10:21 03:17:04 6M20 Sabre Toss 1:45 1:29 0:16   Rey :06 Force :10
82 7 04:05:17 05:03:02 7M03 Luke's Advice 0:57 0:30 0:27   Rey :13 Force :14
83 8 05:03:02 07:33:22 7M10 Leia's Sabre 2:31 1:15 1:16   Leia :15 Star Wars :15 Yoda :46
84 9 08:21:03 08:36:23 3M26R from Ep.7 You're Han Solo? 0:16     0:16  
85 10 08:36:23 08:46:01 5M10 Landing At ? 0:09 0:09      
86 11 08:46:01 09:39:03 6M55R from Ep.7 Council Meeting 0:53     0:53  
87 12 09:39:03 10:08:23 7M04 The Meeting 0:30 0:30      
88 13 10:08:23 10:46:00 7M05 March Of The Resistance 0:37   0:37   Resistance :37
89 14 10:46:01 11:10:08 8M77 from Ep.7 March Of The Resistance 0:24     0:24  
90 15 11:10:08 11:42:02 6M13 Rey's Trip To P 0:32 0:32      
91 16 11:42:02 12:00:07 7M03 from Ep.3 The Birth Of The Twins 0:18     0:18  
92 17 12:00:07 12:56:21 1M26 Spy's Message 0:56 0:56      
93 18 12:56:21 13:36:23 1M08 Approaching The Nursery 0:40 0:22 0:18   Emperor :18
94 19 13:37:01 14:57:05 7M12 Seven Twelve 1:20 1:06 0:14   Star Wars :04, Force :10
95 20 14:57:05 15:33:18 7M12A Horses #2 0:36 0:23 0:13   Force :13
        REEL SEVEN v9 DC7          
96 1 00:08:00 02:34:09 7M20 Approaching The Throne 2:27 2:27      
97 2 02:34:09 04:09:16 7M21 Parents 1:35 1:35      
98 3 04:46:01 06:52:07 7M30 More Action 2:06 2:06      
99 4 06:52:07 08:36:01 7M32 Make The Sacrifice 1:43 1:43      
100 5 10:59:06 12:41:10 7M36 Dunkirk 1:42 1:42      
101 6 14:04:12 17:12:20 7M38 I Am All The Sith 3:08 3:08      
102 7 17:12:20 18:08:21 8M07 Big Ship Blows Up 0:56 0:56      
103 8 18:08:03 18:46:13 8M10 Success and Sliding 0:38 0:31 0:07   Falcon :07
104 9 18:46:22 19:37:15 8M11A Dropping The Sabre 0:50 0:20 0:30   Rey:30
        REEL EIGHT v9 DC5          
105 1 00:16:00 04:32:00 8M14 Ben to Rey 4:16 4:16      
106 2 04:32:00 07:50:05 9M03 Bows 3:18 1:15 2:03   Star Wars :08, Force :19, Yoda :40 Rey:13 Luke &Leia :43
107 3 08:00:15 09:42:15 9M05ALT Return to Tatooine 1:42 1:42      
108 4 09:48:04 10:21:21 8M15 Horn Solo 0:33   0:33   Force :33
109 5 10:21:12 22:37:00 8M16 End Credits 12:00 10:30 1:30   Star Wars :30 Rey 1:00
                   
        Total Music in Film 2:03:56        
        Total Thematic Material from Eps. 4, 5, 6     10:31    
        Total Thematic Material from Ep. 7     6:00    
        Total Cues from Previous Episodes       6:08  
        Total Source       1:20  
        Total Original Music (80.55%)   1:39:50      

 

Is this table still up to date?

(To be honest, the more I deal with it, the less I understand it! Is it just me? In particular, I don't understand the opening sequence, i.e. the first 10 minutes or so, at all. Its the biggest mess I ever saw. Has a film been cut like this before? after all, Williams composed well over 4 hours of music, that's practically two films. Will we ever have clearity in this topic???)

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7 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

Is this table still up to date?

 

It's accurate to whatever the film looked like on November 11, 2019.

 

It's not accurate to the final cut, which continued to edit, replace and revise the score after this document was prepared.

 

7 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

(To be honest, the more I deal with it, the less I understand it! Is it just me? In particular, I don't understand the opening sequence, i.e. the first 10 minutes or so, at all. Its the biggest mess I ever saw. Has a film been cut like this before?

 

In short, yeah, it's a total mess. Easily the most butchered John Williams score of all time.

 

7 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

Will we ever have clearity in this topic???

 

That's up to Disney Records, Lucasfilm, John Williams and Mike Matessino (maybe even JJ Abrams, depending on what level of ownership his production company has over the film/the score).

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But in general I think that Abrams is responsible for the fact that he always changed the content of the entire film on the one hand and had no clear plan on the other, as he already admitted. There's that one scene in one of the documentaries where John Williams said that J.J. Abrams always wanted new music and then they always apologized to each other that John didn't write the right music (why is he apologizing for that, it's Abrams fault that the music didn't fit anymore) and Abrams for asking for new music. So I think it's primarily J.J Abrams's fault.

 

Matessino for the expanded album sometimes?

Well, I asked him a few months ago for his opinion on the situation in part 9. Unfortunately he didn't answer. Maybe a new album will bring clearity to this, who knows. But I think for every outsider it is impossible to understand everything. Many decisions were made practically immediately on the spot and that was never communicated to the outside. I wonder if Matessino can see through that. Hopefully there are still records somewhere of all the decisions. If not, the memories will be lost over the years anyway. Maybe there will be a documentary about the circumstances, where many things will come to light. Like Hearts of Darkness about the circumstances of Apocalypse Now.😂😂😂

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23 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

Was Michael Matessino involved? I think it was Shawn Murphy. 

 

Mike had no involvement in the film, no. But he's the only album producer who can assemble a release that makes sense of everything recorded, and present it in a musically cohesive way.

 

Shawn Murphy was only the score recordist. Ramiro Belgardt and his team of assistants edited the music to picture, but they were only following instructions from higher ups.

 

23 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

There's that one scene in one of the documentaries where John Williams said that J.J. Abrams always wanted new music and then they always apologized to each other that John didn't write the right music (why is he apologizing for that, it's Abrams fault that the music didn't fit anymore)

 

Williams is too polite to have a confrontation on such matters (at least publicly).

 

In the same way you wouldn't criticize your boss when they screw up and create hours of work for you, Williams is showing self-deprecating humbleness by insisting the issues were his fault.

 

I'm sure it's a very different story behind closed doors.

 

23 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

So I think it's primarily J.J Abrams's fault

 

Yes, there's little doubt about who's at fault for the entire debacle. One need only watch the film to see that.

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btw; Is Matessino the only one, who can release all these new albums? Did he get Williams approval for this or how is it going?

So I know that he's close to Williams and that he's also going to the Berlin concert with Williams, that's what he told me in his e-mails (he's trying to arrange an autograph or photo for me. So kind.)

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He's the guy who produces every catalog release of older Williams scores. Some were done by other producers in the past, but Tom Sawyer was the last one of those

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11 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

btw; Is Matessino the only one, who can release all these new albums? Did he get Williams approval for this or how is it going?

 

Nowadays he's the only album producer Williams wants working on remasters/expansions of his catalog.

 

When it comes to Star Wars though, nobody knows if anything is happening (insofar as expanded releases). Disney/Lucasfilm own the rights to all 9 scores outright, so only they can instigate expanded releases and they would only come out on their own record label (Walt Disney Records). Usually these things are instigated by the boutique labels (La-La Land Records, Intrada, etc) who acquire a licence, get the approval from Williams to proceed, then hire Mike to produce it.

 

Because Disney won't licence Star Wars out to any of these labels, we just have to wait for them to instigate such a project. All we've heard for 3-4 years is that "everybody wants to do it, and everyone knows it needs to happen," with no indication anything is being worked on.

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3 minutes ago, crumbs said:

 

Nowadays he's the only album producer Williams wants working on remasters/expansions of his catalog.

 

When it comes to Star Wars though, nobody knows if anything is happening (insofar as expanded releases). Disney/Lucasfilm own the rights to all 9 scores outright, so only they can instigate expanded releases and they would only come out on their own record label (Walt Disney Records). Usually these things are instigated by the boutique labels (La-La Land Records, Intrada, etc) who acquire a licence, get the approval from Williams to proceed, then hire Mike to produce it.

 

Because Disney won't licence Star Wars out to any of these labels, we just have to wait for them to instigate such a project. All we've heard for 3-4 years is that "everybody wants to do it, and everyone knows it needs to happen," with no indication anything is being worked on.

Allright. Now I got it. Thanks.

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12 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

And why doesn't anyone else do it too? Surely there are enough scores that should be re-released?

 

Because Mike is a damn good producer. Probably the best in the business :)

 

John is very particular about how his music is handled and presented, and he also likes to surround himself with the best people in the industry, be it musicians or technicians.

 

Mike's been working through his catalog for about 10 years now, so clearly JW trusts the way Mike presents his music.

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Mike's first work on Williams catalog was 24 years ago actually. He chose the programs and wrote the liner notes for the 1997 2CD Star Wars sets

 

There's a list of every album he's worked on here, though it ends at 2017 for now

 

http://www.mikematessino.com/projects/

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1 minute ago, Jay said:

Mike's first work on Williams catalog was 24 years ago actually. He chose the programs and wrote the liner notes for the 1997 2CD Star Wars sets

 

Well he has a good launching pad when Disney finally pick up the phone and hire him for new expansions ;)

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22 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

And when do you think, this call will take place?

 

I doubt it will be anytime soon. Obviously, it would be AWEsome if Mike M. got to work on these and with JW's input (or not...sometimes the Board disagrees with JW's choices ;) ), and eventually there will be new releases (if only to milk this cow some more)...whether or not these releases will be to our liking is another matter entirely.

 

Gruß aus Bayern! :)

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I don't blame Williams for pulling the plug on Star Wars when his music is going to be treated like that.

 

Fingers crossed we don't get a repeat of TROS with Indy 5. It sounds like they won't record until next April, so no staggered sessions this time around.

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10 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:


 

 

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0:00-0:18 unscored (logos and “A long time ago…”)

 

0:18-1:44 1M1 Main Title

1:44-1:54 TFA 1M1A Starry Night

 

FYC track 1

1:54-2:02 4M2 Rey’s Incredible Hand

2:02-2:30 Ready to Be A Jedi

2:30-2:50 1M15 Vader’s Castle

2:50-3:22 6M13 Rey’s Trip to P

3:22-3:32 1M22 The Ninth Beginning

3:32-3:37 Chewie’s Interrogation

 

(3:37-4:21 unscored)

 

4:21-5:02 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

5:02-5:14 Uncharted Territory

 

(5:14-5:24 unscored)

 

5:24-5:31 5M6 Hard to Get Rid Of

5:31-5:45 1M15 Vader’s Castle

5:45-6:02 8M4 Psalm of the Sith [pitch-shifted from G to A minor]

6:02-6:16 6M7 Stop and Start

6:16-6:40 8M8 On Their Knees

 

(6:40-7:54 unscored) 

 

FYC track 2

7:54-10:05 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping / 1M26 Spy’s Message

 

10:05-10:50 1M9 Rey Wakes Up

10:50-12:16 1M20 Rey Training

 

(12:16-12:52 unscored)

 

12:52-13:24 2M3 The Wisdom of Maz

13:24-13:44 1M24 Meditation

15:17-17:16 2M30 Rey’s Mission

 

FYC track 3

17:19-19:25 2M6 The Medal

 

19:25-19:53 2M20 The Forge

19:53-20:17 2M2 Fixing the Helmet

20:17-20:43 unknown [Emperor’s Theme in g-minor]

21:13-21:16 2M2 Fixing the Helmet

21:16-21:40 2M7 Ship Trip

22:46-23:35 0M1 Children’s School

23:35-23:40 3M4 Quicksand! [missing from GEMA]

23:40-23:46 unknown

24:28-24:46 0M1 Children’s School

24:46-24:50 2M2 Fixing the Helmet

24:50-24:56 2M1 Cockpit Dialog

24:56-25:01 unknown

25:01-25:17 2M1 Cockpit Dialog

25:17-25:24 unknown

25:24-25:38 TFA 3M26R You’re Han Solo

25:38-25:41 unknown

25:41-26:08 3M0 Lando

26:20-26:26 5M7 Ochi and the Dagger

26:26-26:39 TLJ 2M18A Holdo’s Secret Plan

26:39-27:15 3M0 Lando

27:15–27:42 3M1 Before the Chase

27:39–27:42 1M6 Kylo’s Entrance [overlaid]

27:42-27:45 1M14 Falcon’s Last Trip

27:45-27:58 1M20 Rey Training

27:58-28:09 3M3 [‘The Speeder Chase’]

28:09-28:41 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping

28:41-29:05 1M4 Through the Jungle

29:05-29:56 3M3 [‘The Speeder Chase’]

31:07-31:40 3M7 Ochi and the Dagger

32:13-33:30 3M7 Ochi and the Dagger

33:52-34:10 Tunnel Monster

34:27-34:42 5M5 Rey Sees Mother

34:42-35:24 7M2 Rey Meets Luke

35:24-35:45 TLJ 0M8 Saying Goodbye to the Fathier

35:50-36:10 3M6 Knights of Ren

 

FYC track 4

36:20-38:47 4M1 Rey Senses Ren’s Approach

 

39:50-40:53 4M2 Rey’s Incredible Hand

41:14-41:24 More Maz

41:25-41:39 6M4 Daisy in a Veil

 

FYC track 5

42:02-42:30 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

42:30-43:22 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk

 

FYC track 6

44:04-44:31 4M5 To the End

44:31-44:52 4M5B Good Ship, Bad Ship

44:52-45:16 2M6 The Medal [partially pitch-shifted]

45:16-45:29 2M4 The Emperor Lives

45:29-45:40 1M13 Tell Me What They Are

 

46:28-48:16 4M4 Zucini?

48:16-48:25 5M3 Hallway Shooting

49:45-50:27 4M6 He Won’t Remember

50:39-50:57 1M6 Ren’s Entrance

51:44-51:49 4M11 Poe and Girlfriend

51:49-52:47 AOTC 4M4 The Arrival at Tatooine

52:56-53:26 TLJ 4M36 Luke and Rey

53:26-54:08 4M10 Red Eyes

54:08-54:35 The Feeling

 

FYC track 7

54:37-56:24 5M1 Meddling and Poe’s Crush

 

56:24-56:27 unknown

 

FYC track 8

55:41-58:52 5M3 Hallway Shooting

 

58:54-59:40 5M4 Rey Sees Mother

 

FYC track 9

59:59-1:00:38 5M5 Hard to Get Rid Of

1:00:38-1:00:45 8M14 Ben to Rey

1:00:45-1:02:15 5M5 Hard to Get Rid Of

 

1:02:15-1:03:01 5M7 I’m the Spy

1:03:01-1:03:12 unknown [Rey’s theme D-minor]

1:03:12-1:03:48 5M7 I’m the Spy

 

FYC track 10

1:03:48-1:05:05 5M8 Genealogy

1:05:05-1:05:34 8M4 Psalm of the Sith

1:05:34-1:05:48 7M12 Seven Twelve

1:05:48-1:06:04 5M8 Genealogy

 

1:06:04-1:06:26 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk

1:06:43-1:07:05 unknown [Emperor’s Theme in g-minor, same as 20:17-20:43]

1:07:05-1:07:16 TFA 5M46R Kylo Stalks Rey

1:07:16-1:07:49 TFA 6M56E Ren in Cockpit

 

FYC track 11

1:07:49-1:08:32 5M10 Landing at ?

1:08:32-1:09:09 It Fits!

1:09:09-1:09:16 3M4 Quicksand! [missing from GEMA]

1:09:16-1:09:32 0M1 Children’s School

1:09:32-1:10:10 7M1 Seven One

 

1:10:57-1:11:22 TFA 4M36R I Ran Into You

1:11:22-1:11:45 2M6 The Medal

 

FYC track 12

1:11:45-1:12:48 5M12 Off The Waterfront

 

1:13:03-1:13:31 6M2 Rey Climbs Pipes

1:14:01-1:14:27 6M2A Climbing

1:14:27-1:15:13 ROTJ 13M2 Vader’s Death

1:16:12-1:16:40 Filial Fencing

1:17:06-1:17:55 6M4 Daisy in a Veil

1:17:55-1:18:01 6M5 Leia Lies Down

1:18:01-1:18:24 TFA 6M50R Han and Leia Reunion

 

FYC track 13

1:19:57-1:21:32 6M7 Stop and Start

 

FYC track 14

1:21:47-1:22:49 6M8 Healing Wounds

1:22:58-1:23:40 6M8 Healing Wounds

1:23:40-1:24:40 5M30 Under A Blanket

 

FYC track 15

1:25:24-1:27:00 7M8 Father Knows Best

 

1:27:00-1:27:17 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

1:27:17-1:27:40 1M6 Ren’s Entrance

1:27:40-1:27:48 1M15 Vader’s Castle

1:27:48-1:28:23 6M12 Six Twelve

1:28:23-1:28:50 ROTS 7M3 The Birth of the Twins

1:28:50-1:28:59 unknown

1:28:59-1:29:35 ROTS 7M5 Plans for the Twins

1:29:35-1:29:57 TLJ 5M48 Insert [‘Yoda Appears’ Insert]

1:29:57-1:30:23 7M1 Seven One

 

1:30:23-1:30:28 6M20 Sabre Toss

1:30:28-1:30:43 7M2 Rey Meets Luke

1:30:43-1:31:35 6M20 Sabre Toss

1:31:45-1:32:20 7M3 Luke’s Advice

1:32:20-1:35:04 7M10 Leia’s Saber [possibly with ‘Wayfinder Insert’]

 

1:36:02-1:36:17 You’re Han Solo from TFA

1:36:17-1:36:25 5M10 Landing At ?

1:36:25-1:36:33 unknown [possibly ‘Wayfinder Insert’]

1:36:33-1:37:21 TFA 6M55R Council Meeting

1:37:00-1:37:21 TLJ 8M71 What ‘Cha Got

1:37:21-1:37:49 7M4 The Meeting

1:37:49-1:38:25 7M5 March of the Resistance

1:38:25-1:38:49 TFA 8M77 March of the Resistance

 

1:38:50-1:39:21 6M13 Rey’s Trip to P

1:39:21-1:39:39 ROTS 7M3 The Birth of the Twins

1:39:39-1:40:06 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping / 1M26 Spy’s Message

1:40:36-1:41:16 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

 

FYC track 16

1:41:16-1:42:35 7M12 Seven Twelve

1:42:35-1:43:01 7M12A Horses #2

 

FYC track 17

1:43:01-1:43:49 7M20 Approaching the Throne

1:44:07-1:45:29 7M20 Approaching the Throne

1:45:29-1:47:07 7M30 More Action

1:47:07-1:47:17 7M20 Approaching the Throne

 

FYC track 18

1:47:31-1:49:19 7M21 Parents

1:49:19-1:49:25 TLJ 1M9 Revisiting Snoke

 

FYC track 19

1:49:48-1:51:28 7M32 Make The Sacrifice

 

1:51:31-1:51:38 The Crowd Joins In

1:51:38-1:51:45 The Last Fight

1:51:45-1:52:32 Hero Fight

1:52:32-1:52:34 unknown

1:53:06-1:53:28 8M7 Big Ship Blows Up

1:53:40-1:55:32 The Dunkirk Shot

1:55:32-1:56:09 8M8 On Their Knees

1:56:09-1:56:16 Emperor’s Attack

1:56:16-1:56:29 8M8 On Their Knees

 

FYC track 20

1:56:53-1:59:13 7M38 I Am All The Sith

1:59:13-1:59:29 7M44 Name That Tune

1:59:29-2:00:00 7M38 I Am All The Sith

 

2:00:02-2:00:32 TLJ 9M85A New - Rey Looks

 

FYC track 21

2:00:32-2:01:37 8M10 Success and Sliding

 

2:01:39-2:02:19 8M11A Dropping the Sabre

 

FYC track 22

2:02:19-2:04:28 8M14 Ben to Rey

2:04:28-2:04:43 Rey and Ren

2:04:43-2:06:35 8M14 Ben to Rey

 

2:06:35-2:09:50 9M3 Bows

 

FYC track 23

2:10:03-2:11:43 9M5ALT Return to Tatooine

 

2:11:48-2:12:25 8M15 Horn Solo

2:12:25-2:21:18 8M16 End Credits

 

Did Williams compose the music like this?

Interesting. what's up with track 15 and the material from ROTS and TLJ?? That's not in the final movie, is it?

Do you think they really showed Vader's Castle on Mustafar using the Imperial March that is later used in the scene with Palp?

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9 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

The music was really put together in that order, or was it planned that way?


I can’t imagine much of this was planned, but what’s so puzzling is the changes go far beyond even what was necessary to match an edit that kept changing enormously up to the last minute. For instance, the music of the Speeder Chase seems to have been largely intact in the November 11th cut, with similar timings, but was almost entirely tracked over before release.

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22 minutes ago, BrotherSound said:


I’ve attempted to piece together what’s actually heard in the final cut, which is—believe it or not—even more convoluted than the November 11th version, with considerably more tracking and micro-editing of cues. The GEMA database reveals the order each cue initially appears in the film, but there’s so much tracking even that information isn’t as helpful as it might seem.

 

  Hide contents

0:00-0:18 unscored (logos and “A long time ago…”)

 

0:18-1:44 1M1 Main Title

1:44-1:54 TFA 1M1A Starry Night

 

FYC track 1

1:54-2:02 4M2 Rey’s Incredible Hand

2:02-2:30 Ready to Be A Jedi

2:30-2:50 1M15 Vader’s Castle

2:50-3:22 6M13 Rey’s Trip to P

3:22-3:32 1M22 The Ninth Beginning

3:32-3:37 Chewie’s Interrogation

 

(3:37-4:21 unscored)

 

4:21-5:02 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

5:02-5:14 Uncharted Territory

 

(5:14-5:24 unscored)

 

5:24-5:31 5M6 Hard to Get Rid Of

5:31-5:45 1M15 Vader’s Castle

5:45-6:02 8M4 Psalm of the Sith [pitch-shifted from G to A minor]

6:02-6:16 6M7 Stop and Start

6:16-6:40 8M8 On Their Knees

 

(6:40-7:54 unscored) 

 

FYC track 2

7:54-10:05 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping / 1M26 Spy’s Message

 

10:05-10:50 1M9 Rey Wakes Up

10:50-12:16 1M20 Rey Training

 

(12:16-12:52 unscored)

 

12:52-13:24 2M3 The Wisdom of Maz

13:24-13:44 1M24 Meditation

15:17-17:16 2M30 Rey’s Mission

 

FYC track 3

17:19-19:25 2M6 The Medal

 

19:25-19:53 2M20 The Forge

19:53-20:17 2M2 Fixing the Helmet

20:17-20:43 unknown [Emperor’s Theme in g-minor]

21:13-21:16 2M2 Fixing the Helmet

21:16-21:40 2M7 Ship Trip

22:46-23:35 0M1 Children’s School

23:35-23:40 3M4 Quicksand! [missing from GEMA]

23:40-23:46 unknown

24:28-24:46 0M1 Children’s School

24:46-24:50 2M2 Fixing the Helmet

24:50-24:56 2M1 Cockpit Dialog

24:56-25:01 unknown

25:01-25:17 2M1 Cockpit Dialog

25:17-25:24 unknown

25:24-25:38 TFA 3M26R You’re Han Solo

25:38-25:41 unknown

25:41-26:08 3M0 Lando

26:20-26:26 5M7 Ochi and the Dagger

26:26-26:39 TLJ 2M18A Holdo’s Secret Plan

26:39-27:15 3M0 Lando

27:15–27:42 3M1 Before the Chase

27:39–27:42 1M6 Kylo’s Entrance [overlaid]

27:42-27:45 1M14 Falcon’s Last Trip

27:45-27:58 1M20 Rey Training

27:58-28:09 3M3 [‘The Speeder Chase’]

28:09-28:41 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping

28:41-29:05 1M4 Through the Jungle

29:05-29:56 3M3 [‘The Speeder Chase’]

31:07-31:40 3M7 Ochi and the Dagger

32:13-33:30 3M7 Ochi and the Dagger

33:52-34:10 Tunnel Monster

34:27-34:42 5M5 Rey Sees Mother

34:42-35:24 7M2 Rey Meets Luke

35:24-35:45 TLJ 0M8 Saying Goodbye to the Fathier

35:50-36:10 3M6 Knights of Ren

 

FYC track 4

36:20-38:47 4M1 Rey Senses Ren’s Approach

 

39:50-40:53 4M2 Rey’s Incredible Hand

41:14-41:24 More Maz

41:25-41:39 6M4 Daisy in a Veil

 

FYC track 5

42:02-42:30 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

42:30-43:22 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk

 

FYC track 6

44:04-44:31 4M5 To the End

44:31-44:52 4M5B Good Ship, Bad Ship

44:52-45:16 2M6 The Medal [partially pitch-shifted]

45:16-45:29 2M4 The Emperor Lives

45:29-45:40 1M13 Tell Me What They Are

 

46:28-48:16 4M4 Zucini?

48:16-48:25 5M3 Hallway Shooting

49:45-50:27 4M6 He Won’t Remember

50:39-50:57 1M6 Ren’s Entrance

51:44-51:49 4M11 Poe and Girlfriend

51:49-52:47 AOTC 4M4 The Arrival at Tatooine

52:56-53:26 TLJ 4M36 Luke and Rey

53:26-54:08 4M10 Red Eyes

54:08-54:35 The Feeling

 

FYC track 7

54:37-56:24 5M1 Meddling and Poe’s Crush

 

56:24-56:27 unknown

 

FYC track 8

55:41-58:52 5M3 Hallway Shooting

 

58:54-59:40 5M4 Rey Sees Mother

 

FYC track 9

59:59-1:00:38 5M5 Hard to Get Rid Of

1:00:38-1:00:45 8M14 Ben to Rey

1:00:45-1:02:15 5M5 Hard to Get Rid Of

 

1:02:15-1:03:01 5M7 I’m the Spy

1:03:01-1:03:12 unknown [Rey’s theme D-minor]

1:03:12-1:03:48 5M7 I’m the Spy

 

FYC track 10

1:03:48-1:05:05 5M8 Genealogy

1:05:05-1:05:34 8M4 Psalm of the Sith

1:05:34-1:05:48 7M12 Seven Twelve

1:05:48-1:06:04 5M8 Genealogy

 

1:06:04-1:06:26 4M12 Ship Walk and Talk

1:06:43-1:07:05 unknown [Emperor’s Theme in g-minor, same as 20:17-20:43]

1:07:05-1:07:16 TFA 5M46R Kylo Stalks Rey

1:07:16-1:07:49 TFA 6M56E Ren in Cockpit

 

FYC track 11

1:07:49-1:08:32 5M10 Landing at ?

1:08:32-1:09:09 It Fits!

1:09:09-1:09:16 3M4 Quicksand! [missing from GEMA]

1:09:16-1:09:32 0M1 Children’s School

1:09:32-1:10:10 7M1 Seven One

 

1:10:57-1:11:22 TFA 4M36R I Ran Into You

1:11:22-1:11:45 2M6 The Medal

 

FYC track 12

1:11:45-1:12:48 5M12 Off The Waterfront

 

1:13:03-1:13:31 6M2 Rey Climbs Pipes

1:14:01-1:14:27 6M2A Climbing

1:14:27-1:15:13 ROTJ 13M2 Vader’s Death

1:16:12-1:16:40 Filial Fencing

1:17:06-1:17:55 6M4 Daisy in a Veil

1:17:55-1:18:01 6M5 Leia Lies Down

1:18:01-1:18:24 TFA 6M50R Han and Leia Reunion

 

FYC track 13

1:19:57-1:21:32 6M7 Stop and Start

 

FYC track 14

1:21:47-1:22:49 6M8 Healing Wounds

1:22:58-1:23:40 6M8 Healing Wounds

1:23:40-1:24:40 5M30 Under A Blanket

 

FYC track 15

1:25:24-1:27:00 7M8 Father Knows Best

 

1:27:00-1:27:17 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

1:27:17-1:27:40 1M6 Ren’s Entrance

1:27:40-1:27:48 1M15 Vader’s Castle

1:27:48-1:28:23 6M12 Six Twelve

1:28:23-1:28:50 ROTS 7M3 The Birth of the Twins

1:28:50-1:28:59 unknown

1:28:59-1:29:35 ROTS 7M5 Plans for the Twins

1:29:35-1:29:57 TLJ 5M48 Insert [‘Yoda Appears’ Insert]

1:29:57-1:30:23 7M1 Seven One

 

1:30:23-1:30:28 6M20 Sabre Toss

1:30:28-1:30:43 7M2 Rey Meets Luke

1:30:43-1:31:35 6M20 Sabre Toss

1:31:45-1:32:20 7M3 Luke’s Advice

1:32:20-1:35:04 7M10 Leia’s Saber [possibly with ‘Wayfinder Insert’]

 

1:36:02-1:36:17 You’re Han Solo from TFA

1:36:17-1:36:25 5M10 Landing At ?

1:36:25-1:36:33 unknown [possibly ‘Wayfinder Insert’]

1:36:33-1:37:21 TFA 6M55R Council Meeting

1:37:00-1:37:21 TLJ 8M71 What ‘Cha Got

1:37:21-1:37:49 7M4 The Meeting

1:37:49-1:38:25 7M5 March of the Resistance

1:38:25-1:38:49 TFA 8M77 March of the Resistance

 

1:38:50-1:39:21 6M13 Rey’s Trip to P

1:39:21-1:39:39 ROTS 7M3 The Birth of the Twins

1:39:39-1:40:06 1M26 Lightspeed Skipping / 1M26 Spy’s Message

1:40:36-1:41:16 1M8 Approaching the Nursery

 

FYC track 16

1:41:16-1:42:35 7M12 Seven Twelve

1:42:35-1:43:01 7M12A Horses #2

 

FYC track 17

1:43:01-1:43:49 7M20 Approaching the Throne

1:44:07-1:45:29 7M20 Approaching the Throne

1:45:29-1:47:07 7M30 More Action

1:47:07-1:47:17 7M20 Approaching the Throne

 

FYC track 18

1:47:31-1:49:19 7M21 Parents

1:49:19-1:49:25 TLJ 1M9 Revisiting Snoke

 

FYC track 19

1:49:48-1:51:28 7M32 Make The Sacrifice

 

1:51:31-1:51:38 The Crowd Joins In

1:51:38-1:51:45 The Last Fight

1:51:45-1:52:32 Hero Fight

1:52:32-1:52:34 unknown

1:53:06-1:53:28 8M7 Big Ship Blows Up

1:53:40-1:55:32 The Dunkirk Shot

1:55:32-1:56:09 8M8 On Their Knees

1:56:09-1:56:16 Emperor’s Attack

1:56:16-1:56:29 8M8 On Their Knees

 

FYC track 20

1:56:53-1:59:13 7M38 I Am All The Sith

1:59:13-1:59:29 7M44 Name That Tune

1:59:29-2:00:00 7M38 I Am All The Sith

 

2:00:02-2:00:32 TLJ 9M85A New - Rey Looks

 

FYC track 21

2:00:32-2:01:37 8M10 Success and Sliding

 

2:01:39-2:02:19 8M11A Dropping the Sabre

 

FYC track 22

2:02:19-2:04:28 8M14 Ben to Rey

2:04:28-2:04:43 Rey and Ren

2:04:43-2:06:35 8M14 Ben to Rey

 

2:06:35-2:09:50 9M3 Bows

 

FYC track 23

2:10:03-2:11:43 9M5ALT Return to Tatooine

 

2:11:48-2:12:25 8M15 Horn Solo

2:12:25-2:21:18 8M16 End Credits

 

Ist this the playlist from GEMA?

Or is ist the playlist for the final movie?

sorry, but i'm sinking in all this right now😩

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1 hour ago, Michael G. said:

Ist this the playlist from GEMA?

Or is ist the playlist for the final movie?

sorry, but i'm sinking in all this right now😩


The GEMA database just has cue titles and work codes that seem to match the order each cue is first used in the film (though many, many cues appear more than once). It doesn’t have the cues that are tracked from other Star Wars films as well as some that happen to re-use cue titles previously used by Williams (such as ‘Return to Tatooine’). It also has no indication of timings.

 

Between GEMA and the November 11th spreadsheet, it’s possible to work out a rough idea of what’s heard in the film, but there’s some educated guesses required, plus a few bits that are simply impossible to know without more information.

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2 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

I’ve attempted to piece together what’s actually heard in the final cut, which is—believe it or not—even more convoluted than the November 11th version, with considerably more tracking and micro-editing of cues. The GEMA database reveals the order each cue initially appears in the film, but there’s so much tracking even that information isn’t as helpful as it might seem.

Wow, what a list. I didn't even know there was tracking from AOTC.

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35 minutes ago, ragoz350 said:

Wow, what a list. I didn't even know there was tracking from AOTC.

 

Thanks!

 

I’m not 100% sure about the AOTC tracking, but it’s certainly the same material, and to my ears it sounds like the same recording. Unfortunately, like a lot of music in this film, it’s mixed very quietly.

 

 

 

Anyone else care to chime in on whether or not they think it’s the same recording?

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It’s not the exact same material, it’s JW rewriting the temp (which definitely is AOTC) but altering it a bit. The lines composed on top of the celli arpeggios are very different from the original recording. 

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This observation is true. It is the mystery theme.

(you can see this in @Falstafts Catalogue !)IMG_20210905_205530.jpg

48 minutes ago, MikeH said:

It’s not the exact same material, it’s JW rewriting the temp (which definitely is AOTC) but altering it a bit. The lines composed on top of the celli arpeggios are very different from the original recording. 

 

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I just wonder if John Williams remembers such "insignificant" themes, as there are frequent statements like that from him?!

 

He recently said that he can't remember from which Star Wars movie Across The Stars comes.

In an interview with Anne-Sophie Mutter he even said once that he completely forgot it until Anne-Sophie asked him about it. So I guess, he isn't good in remembering these things.

Is he then reminded by JKMS or anyone involved in the recording process or by the directors ?

(Well, I guess J.J.Abrams is not that educated in this area.)

 

But maybe he just looks in his notes and closes his eyes, points his finger to some page from a 20 years old movie score and uses a theme from there to confuse music enthusiasts....

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46 minutes ago, Michael G. said:

I just wonder if John Williams remembers such "insignificant" themes, as there are frequent statements like that from him?!

 

He recently said that he can't remember from which Star Wars movie Across The Stars comes.

In an interview with Anne-Sophie Mutter he even said once that he completely forgot it until Anne-Sophie asked him about it. So I guess, he isn't good in remembering these things.

Is he then reminded by JKMS or anyone involved in the recording process or by the directors ?

(Well, I guess J.J.Abrams is not that educated in this area.)

 

But maybe he just looks in his notes and closes his eyes, points his finger to some page from a 20 years old movie score and uses a theme from there to confuse music enthusiasts....

 

As MikeH said, it was just a case of temp tracking (the director and/or editors tracking music from other films to the scene and asking the composer to get as close to it as possible) so it wouldn't have really been his decision.

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12 hours ago, crumbs said:

Yes, there's little doubt about who's at fault for the entire debacle. One need only watch the film to see that.

 

I'd say it's only partially Abrams' fault, because frankly we don't know what may or may not have been mandated by producers or the studio. If there was anything like that, then it wouldn't necessarily be Abrams at fault. I'm far more inclined to blame Disney for some things, but we don't really know for sure. I don't necessarily believe the rumors about what supposedly happened, but plenty of films are plagued with similar issues that are result of studio meddling and not the director. Could go either way. I know it's easy to blame Abrams since his name is on the film, but doesn't mean he's truly the one to blame for every good or bad decision.

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Well, if you look at it from the larger perspective, Kathleen Kennedy is to blame. She could have provided a plan for the complete trilogy.

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On 06/09/2021 at 4:35 AM, Michael G. said:

Well, if you look at it from the larger perspective, Kathleen Kennedy is to blame. She could have provided a plan for the complete trilogy.

Except we know she wouldn't have been able to do that. Since Iger forced release dates. TFA was a miracle it came together so quickly. They barely managed to get the one film together in time let alone plan a trilogy and Iger wanted it to be a MAY 2015 release not a December one. Kathy pushed back against it and we got dec. 

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21 hours ago, DIamondFire said:

Except we know she wouldn't have been able to do that. Since Iger forced release dates. TFA was a miracle it came together so quickly. They barely managed to get the one film together in time let alone plan a trilogy and Iger wanted it to be a MAY 2015 release not a December one. Kathy pushed back against it and we got dec. 

I would not let the time constraint argument count. Put 3 creative Star Wars fans together for two weeks and you would get a usable treatment or a promising draft for a trilogy. And they already had Lucas treatments. 

And not the rubbish stories that they ended up with.

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