The Big Man 7615 Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 27 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: Link to post Share on other sites
Glóin the Dark 842 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 3 hours ago, publicist said: ...Trump, usually uniquely unimpressed by the precarious situation of many US citizens... The crisis has brought out his altruistic side in this leap year at the end of his first term. Link to post Share on other sites
AC1 2652 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 54 minutes ago, Glóin the Dark said: The crisis has brought out his altruistic side ... And they call me naive! Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Man 7615 Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2020/03/19/coronavirus-effect-economy-life-society-analysis-covid-135579 I disagree with some of its pro-big-government rhetoric, but an interesting read. Link to post Share on other sites
publicist 3865 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 See, you can have your society shakedown without betting on moron billionaires. Link to post Share on other sites
Josh500 1493 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 This may very well be the beginning of the end... Not necessarily because of the virus itself, but because of the worldwide economic collapse. It'll be so catastrophic, the economic fallout alone will likely kill millions and millions and plunge a large portion of the world population into poverty.... Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Man 7615 Posted March 21, 2020 Author Share Posted March 21, 2020 Trump will kill this virus with his bare hands. Fabulin 1 Link to post Share on other sites
AC1 2652 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 It's going even faster now: Coronameter: 12,836 deaths. Link to post Share on other sites
Bilbo 3182 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Alexcremers said: It's going even faster now: Coronameter: 12,836 deaths. http://redirect.viglink.com/?key=71fe2139a887ad501313cd8cce3053c5&subId=1258810&u=https%3A//www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/21/coronavirus-new-york-disaster-ventilators lucky it’s only a flu! /sarcasm Link to post Share on other sites
publicist 3865 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 With 800 Italians dead just today it's a zealous one. Link to post Share on other sites
Quintus 5253 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 So if we do go on an enforced lockdown here it'll be down to these goons in society: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-51988877 Link to post Share on other sites
AC1 2652 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Is Quintus still baffled with why this is news? Minimising it by comparing it to The Spanish Flu or The Black Death? Link to post Share on other sites
Quintus 5253 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 Excuse me? Work on your reading comprehension. Link to post Share on other sites
Fargo 226 Posted March 21, 2020 Share Posted March 21, 2020 You two are cute Jurassic Shark 1 Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Man 7615 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Anyone else social distance before it was trendy? Link to post Share on other sites
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6388 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Jurassic Shark and The Big Man 2 Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Man 7615 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Man 7615 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Australia could run out of beer. Bespin 1 Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Man 7615 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 From midday tomorrow, all licenced venues, public gatherings, places of worship, gyms and cinemas will be shut down for an indefinite period of time. State borders are in lockdown. Schools to remain open. Link to post Share on other sites
publicist 3865 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Not surprisingly, governments weigh all options and - cynical as it sounds - an economic catastrophe with a fallout for decades (and certainly also a rising mortality rate) vs. a short-term humanitarian catastrophe (a small percentage of the population, mostly weak and old citizens, could or will die because their treatment is not manageable) is a point of the debate. In Italy you see the triages in effect already (the 80-year old is taken off the ventilator when a 40-year old rolls in) and these questions will continue to haunt us for the next 4 weeks, as I understand it, before the numbers either drop or continue to rise. Link to post Share on other sites
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Quintus 5253 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 hours ago, publicist said: Not surprisingly, governments weigh all options and - cynical as it sounds - an economic catastrophe with a fallout for decades (and certainly also a rising mortality rate) vs. a short-term humanitarian catastrophe (a small percentage of the population, mostly weak and old citizens, could or will die because their treatment is not manageable) is a point of the debate. In Italy you see the triages in effect already (the 80-year old is taken off the ventilator when a 40-year old rolls in) and these questions will continue to haunt us for the next 4 weeks, as I understand it, before the numbers either drop or continue to rise. Young master Baggins is of the naive Reddit generation, always waiting ready to be outraged. Not to mention that vast amounts of the predicted dead would have died anyway this year - the historical annual stats certainly don't lie in this regard. Corona deaths will overlap with regular seasonal cullings of the elderly. It's upsetting, but there's nothing the Reddit gen can do about it. That fantastic Mediterranean diet, rich in olive oil, came back to bite Italy's famously large aged population on the arse. Link to post Share on other sites
publicist 3865 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 And a catastrophic lack of stable government for decades. A scientifically sound recap of the situation in China form chinese scientists makes a case for the following reassuring observation (bold is mine): Quote A main finding of this characterization and exploratory analysis of the first 72,314 cases of COVID-19 found in China in the 40 days between first recognition of the outbreak of pneumonia with unknown etiology on December 31, 2019 to the end of the study period on February 11, 2020 is that this novel coronavirus is highly contagious. It has spread extremely rapidly from a single city to the entire country within only about 30 days. Moreover, it has achieved such far-reaching effects even in the face of extreme response measures including the complete shutdown and isolation of whole cities, cancellation of Chinese New Year celebrations, prohibition of attendance at school and work, massive mobilization of health and public health personnel as well as military medical units, and rapid construction of entire hospitals. In light of this rapid spread, it is fortunate that COVID-19 has been mild for 81% of patients and has a very low overall case fatality rate of 2.3%. Among the 1,023 deaths, a majority have been ≥60 years of age and/or have had pre-existing, comorbid conditions such as hypertension, cardiovascular disease, and diabetes. Moreover, the case fatality rate is unsurprisingly highest among critical cases at 49%, and no deaths have occurred among those with mild or even severe symptoms (Table 1). A major contribution of our study is a first description of the COVID-19 epidemic curves. We interpret the overall curve (Figure 3A) as having a mixed outbreak pattern—the data appear to indicate a continuous common source pattern of spread in December and then from early January through February 11, 2020, the data appear to have a propagated source pattern. This mixed outbreak time trend is consistent with the working theory that perhaps several zoonotic events occurred at Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan allowed 2019- nCoV to be transmitted from a still-unknown animal into humans and, due to its high mutation and recombination rates, it adapted to become capable of and then increasingly efficient at human-to-human transmission (3,8). If that is true, it has made its rounds in Europe already - it begs the question if the relentless testing is a good idea, then, because it's an empty parameter, or it is at least soon. At least I hope it's true and the completely ridiculous 18-moth quarantine ideas are out of the equation. Link to post Share on other sites
Score 484 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 51 minutes ago, Quintus said: That fantastic Mediterranean diet, rich in olive oil, came back to bite Italy's famously large aged population on the arse. Thank you very much for this precious insight and sympathetic comment on our current situation (we will surpass 5000 deaths today). You have written several ignorant and cynical comments in this thread, but this one is also offensive and racist. And, needless to say, based on nothing. Look at any table on life expectancy by country and judge by yourself the worth of your stereotypes. Nobody needs nonsense right now. Bilbo 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Quintus 5253 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Eh? The rest of world has always admired the aged Italian population there. In fact it's something we should all strive to be like, looking after ourselves and having a healthy attitude towards our diet. You're being ridiculous in your assumptions. But none of that detracts from the fact that this disease has been particularly punishing in Italy: likely in no small part to that otherwise illustriously large contingent of the Italian populace. I'm sorry if this stark reality is difficult to hear coming from a foreigner. However, feel free if you must to continue to misinterpret my commentary during your extremely trying time in Italy. I appreciate that you're feeling very sensitive at the moment, justifiably so. But I also literally couldn't give two fucks what you think about me. Right? 28 minutes ago, Score said: You have written several ignorant and cynical comments in this thread, but this one is also offensive and racist. And, needless to say, based on nothing. Quote One factor affecting the country's death rate may be the age of its population — Italy has the oldest population in Europe, with about 23% of residents 65 or older, according to The New York Times. The median age in the country is 47.3, compared with 38.3 in the United States https://www.livescience.com/why-italy-coronavirus-deaths-so-high.html Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Man 7615 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Hmm, right Link to post Share on other sites
Score 484 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Quintus said: That fantastic Mediterranean diet, rich in olive oil, came back to bite Italy's famously large aged population on the arse. The above sentence is not the same (neither in content, nor in tone) as saying that we had many casualties because we have many old people. Link to post Share on other sites
Quintus 5253 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 You obviously don't know anything about my dry and uncompromising style of communication here at JWFan and that it has consistently been this way for the best part of fifteen years. Who are you again anyway? Never mind, I'm not really interested in knowing. Stay safe nonetheless. "Hey that guy said my people have a great diet and live an enviable long life, what a despicable racist!" LOL what a fucking baby. 36 minutes ago, Þekþiþm said: Hmm, right Yeah, I'm expecting the UK to go on a full lockdown here too this week. Really hoping to avoid the Italy scenario, it must be pretty terrible for them by now, but anything can happen and probably will. Thankfully we have what we need at home, at least for now. Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Man 7615 Posted March 22, 2020 Author Share Posted March 22, 2020 Godzilla vs Corona Edmilson and publicist 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
KK 2934 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Of all the internet inspo memes and instagram pseudo-philosophy, driven by people who don't know what to do in isolation, this one actually really got to me.... If anyone needed some reaffirmation about the power of art in times of crisis and divide, this is the one to do it! Sometimes Toronto makes magic. Oh, and paging @Disco Stu! publicist and SteveMc 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
publicist 3865 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Sadly Germany's shoddy Internet connectivity makes this impossible, everyone would play with a time lag of about 10 seconds. Link to post Share on other sites
AC1 2652 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 We're at a rate of 2000 deaths a day now?! Coronameter: 14,573 Link to post Share on other sites
Disco Stu 10720 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 2 hours ago, KK said: Of all the internet inspo memes and instagram pseudo-philosophy, driven by people who don't know what to do in isolation, this one actually really got to me.... If anyone needed some reaffirmation about the power of art in times of crisis and divide, this is the one to do it! Sometimes Toronto makes magic. Oh, and paging @Disco Stu! My dear @KK, you are talking to a professional. KK and Fabulin 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Jurassic Shark 6544 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Nerd! Link to post Share on other sites
Quintus 5253 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 You likely won't have seen a scarier Covid-19 report than this (viewer discretion advised): Link to post Share on other sites
Fargo 226 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 8 hours ago, Quintus said: fucking a baby, what LOL Link to post Share on other sites
Edmilson 1950 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 JWFan scientists: how long do you estimate this quarantine needs to last? Sure, it may (or may not) been useful for containing the virus so far, but psycologically, socially and economically, it simply isn't a long term strategy. I mean, so now everyone is gonna be kept inside their houses forever? Or until years have past and scientists are able to develop a vaccine? And what about homeless people? Will they be left to die of COVID-19? And those who depend of the outdoors to earn their living and mantain the economy functioning? Everyone will just die of boredom binging Netflix shows and working home office until a vaccine is ready? It may be sustainable for, at most, a month. But not until they're ready to immunize large segments of the population. More important (for the government): the economy needs to be moving again. That said, in a time on which children are hardly playing on the outside and prefer watching YouTubers, or on which people are more likely to stay home watching Netflix instead of going outdoors, I just hope this quarantine period leads people to value more what is outside their comfortable homes. Link to post Share on other sites
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6388 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 9 hours ago, Quintus said: Eh? The rest of world has always admired the aged Italian population there. Yes, I'm also a fan of Monica Bellucci. The Big Man 1 Link to post Share on other sites
KK 2934 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 For some perspective: Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Man 7615 Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 They're kinda cute and fluffy in that graphic. Link to post Share on other sites
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6388 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Disco Stu 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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The Big Man 7615 Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 Now that everything is closed, Australia's federal unemployment service Centrelink has been inundated with new claims at such unprecedented levels, its online application systems crashed, and those without the Customer Reference Number have been forced to queue up outside, with lines clogging up footpaths and shopfronts for up to a kilometre. As a result, jobseekers will need to meet their jobseeking obligations online. Even though the job market is now effectively dead – how this will go down is unimaginable. Meanwhile, this has happened in Sydney: Link to post Share on other sites
AC1 2652 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Even Harvey Weinstein has it! https://www.indiewire.com/2020/03/harvey-weinstein-tests-positive-coronavirus-prison-report-1202219706/ JWFan scientists: Maybe Covid-19 only infects those who done wrong? Disco Stu: Impossible! Tom Hanks has it too! Link to post Share on other sites
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6388 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 Isn't Tom Hanks secretly the dark ruler of the Illuminati? Link to post Share on other sites
Quintus 5253 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 7 hours ago, Fargo said: Fucking a baby, what LOL Eww you disgusting creature 6 hours ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: Yes, I'm also a fan of Monica Bellucci. How dare you say Italy has beautiful women at this time. Link to post Share on other sites
The Big Man 7615 Posted March 23, 2020 Author Share Posted March 23, 2020 Should you stop having sex as part of social distancing? Link to post Share on other sites
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