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14 hours ago, Jay said:

I don't know why everyone who wants to talk politics hasn't just started a group PM thread yet and invited everyone into it who has shown an interest in discussing political topics.


The rules are only for the main board, there's no rules about PMs

 

If one exists, no-one's invited me. 🤷‍♂️

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Yeah, I don't notice anything either.

Time for me to chime in I guess.   1- I am not dead, as apparently some of you have theorised.   2- Things are....pretty dire over here. 546 dead according to the latest numbers, a

7 hours ago, Brundlefly said:

Why are the avatars shown in full by the way? The new JWFan update has a few slips still left.

 

Oh man you don't like the big avatars?  I love em!

You can join the feedback discussion here

 

https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/33103-messageboard-update-454

 

I plan on making "small avatar" version of each color scheme eventually

 

 

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In MA now everything has to close by 930 and people are supposed to be home by 1000. Anyone else is different states got anything similar going on? 

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5 hours ago, bruce marshall said:

It's a world wide problem that no governments have solved.

 

Incorrect. Our state of 5+ million people hasn't had a single case of COVID for 9 days now, after we exploded with 700+ daily cases just a few months back.

 

So it can and has been suppressed if politicians listen to scientists and the community are prepared to make their strategy a success.

 

Nationally, Australia has less than a hundred active cases, no deaths so far this month, and barely a handful of new cases each day (all quarantining in hotels because they bring it back from overseas).

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35 minutes ago, Jay said:

What did your state do between a few months ago and now to make that happen? 

 

Here's a detailed breakdown of our "stage 4" restrictions, which was scheduled for 6 weeks but ultimately lasted 12, because we still had a couple dozen new cases each day by the end of week 5 (and re-opening would have sent us back to where we started).

 

In a nutshell, the key pillars were:

  • Must stay at home except for 4 essential reasons: shopping for food/supplies, work, medical care or exercise
  • Curfew from 8pm-5am (work or caregiving excepted)
  • Exercise limited to 1 hour per day, alone
  • Must stay within 5km of your house, except work
  • Masks mandatory in public
  • Must work from home unless your work requires you to travel to an office
  • Remote learning for all schools
  • No visitors to your house, except intimate partners
  • Community sport disallowed
  • Gyms, playgrounds, libraries, casinos, bars, clubs, retail, beauty services, cinemas all closed
  • Restaurants/cafes take-away only

 

Any employee working for a business that needed to close was eligible for a weekly payment of $750 AUD (about $550 USD) from the Federal government, to ensure people were financially supported through the lockdown.

 

Any company which suffered a 30% drop in revenue was entitled to that weekly payment for every employee (to help subsidize salaries and reduce financial hardship).

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The US isn't going to go through that again. It's not worth it. The needs of American society are not more important than the personal freedoms of each citizen. Infecting and spreading disease, especially one with a 99.9%survival rate, is an American right. 

 

Oh shit, look who we elected. 

 

The American economy is toast. 

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The fact that Pfizer's vaccine prelim data shows that it is 90+% effective is a huge win.  Physicians/scientists have been using 50% as the benchmark that they would consider a vaccine successful.  Wonder how long lasting the effect will be.

 

My niece and nephew are ~2 year old twins in daycare, and they had fevers last week.  Tests came back negative, thankfully.

 

My coworker's husband died of COVID over the weekend.  So there's the first person I've met IRL to die of it.  Late 40s.

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3 minutes ago, mstrox said:

The fact that Pfizer's vaccine prelim data shows that it is 90+% effective is a huge win.  Physicians/scientists have been using 50% as the benchmark that they would consider a vaccine successful.  Wonder how long lasting the effect will be.

 

And apparently this one would be quite expensive/burdensome to distribute at scale because it requires cold storage and is administered in two doses.

 

But still!  It is a cause for celebration and there will be more vaccines to follow that could be more efficiently distributed.

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That Pfizer trial had 44,000 patients. 
 

100 total people contracted COVID. 
 

Only 8 were in the vaccine group. 
 

Great for the vaccine...but hold up.
 

Why is the positive rate reported around the world close to 15% while in this study it’s .02%?

 

Fishy...fishy...fishy.
 

This is early evidence (not proof) that the general reported numbers are either cooked to exaggerate the outbreak, or the general testing protocols are shit.
 

Because under the clinical trial standards they’re orders of magnitude lower. And I trust the standards of the trial more than the moving goal posts different locales are setting up to count cases. 
 

If you’re @Quintus and @The Big Man you should be keeping an eye on this discrepancy. 
 

We’ll know more once the actual data and study are published...

 

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21 minutes ago, Bespin said:

I think you all starts to understand that, like the seasonal flu, there will be no "unique" vaccine for covid-19... it seems we'll need one each year, because of the different strains/mutations...

 

No doubt - I think they've talked about this from the beginning.  Evidence at this point shows that COVID isn't highly/rapidly mutative, but does mutate.  Although flu vaccines are typically only ~65% effective, so a 90% effective vaccine would do a great deal in choking out transmission.

 

The trick will be getting the infrastructure in place to store and deliver doses, and then getting enough people confident in a vaccine and onboard.  At least in the states, there has been no movement towards developing that vaccine delivery infrastructure...

 

 

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On 11/9/2020 at 10:28 AM, mstrox said:

At least in the states, there has been no movement towards developing that vaccine delivery infrastructure...

 

 

 

I'm pretty sure part of the Operation Warp Speed is a delivery plan to get it out quickly, which is already waiting for the final vaccine. Involves military logistics since they're the only part of the federal government that can do things efficiently ever.

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24 minutes ago, SilverTrumpet said:

 

I'm pretty sure part of the Operation Warp Speed is a delivery plan to get it out quickly, which is already waiting for the final vaccine. Involves military logistics since they're the only part of the federal government that can do things efficiently ever.

 

Yeah, but idiots like the Governor of NY would rather delay the vaccine to kill as many elderly people and put as many people out of business as possible. Funny, 8 months ago, people were clamoring for a vaccine. Now it seems like some people want to just live like this forever. Some sort of Covidian Stockholm Syndrome. 

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