Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted February 8, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted February 8, 2020 JW's score for The Adventures of Tintin is a stone cold masterpiece - an enormously propulsive work with over a dozen themes and motifs that power a very busy, nimble and complex score. I was disappointed to see the ambivalence people seem to have towards JW's Tintin score. That stops now. I think the score in the movie is well represented by still somewhat marred by sound effects. Here is a score only version of a riotous sea battle that Haddock recounts. Watch this to marvel at the intricacy of Williams' composition - individual punches, hits, sword moves, gunshots are synced to the music along with syncing to several cuts. Well, the syncing is done by me but to honor Williams' original intentions. I have taken the OST cue and and fit the picture to it. Only in two places did I microedit the music. Otherwise the music fits the scene remarkably well and you can see the enormous effort Williams has put into the cue for it to be still be entertaining while being so closely matched to the picture. This also represents some of Williams best action music last decade. It is completely melodic and uses two primary themes - the Unicorn theme representing the ship and Red Rakham's Pirate theme (and no this is not the dueling theme from The Adventures Continues) receive several explosive enormous statements as the furious pirate battle unfolds over the high seas. I am starting a thread here because I intend to create several videos for the numerous action scenes in the film, each intricately scored by Williams. Muad'Dib, Edmilson, Will and 25 others 14 4 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabulin 3,510 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 . Pieter Boelen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 A wonderful film, and one of my favourite Williams scores from this century. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Great work putting that together! I only saw the film once, so I forget many of the images that Williams' cues are describing. It's good to be reminded. Looking forward to more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Wonderful job, greatly appreciated. Just one thought, though: I think the descening piano passage you hear at the 3:18 of your video here: Is probably meant to underscore that immediate shot that follows of Haddock gliding down the rope, so probably so very minor editing was done to the sequence. But great job synching up all the sword thrusts and hits with the music, it was clearly JW's intention Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artguy360 1,843 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Awesome work! While I appreciate this score for its energy and how closely knitted to the movie the music is, it isn't a soundtrack I return to often. It gives me the impression of a lighter Indiana Jones score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurkensalat 339 Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Marian Schedenig said: A wonderful film, and one of my favourite Williams scores from this century. I totally agree. 5 hours ago, artguy360 said: Awesome work! While I appreciate this score for its energy and how closely knitted to the movie the music is, it isn't a soundtrack I return to often. It gives me the impression of a lighter Indiana Jones score. In contrast to this, this is the soundtrack from the 2010s I return most to because it is so endlessly entertaining and full of little details. My kids love it also, so this was playing during car trips more often than I can count. crlbrg 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted February 9, 2020 Author Share Posted February 9, 2020 On 2/7/2020 at 9:33 PM, Romão said: Wonderful job, greatly appreciated. Just one thought, though: I think the descening piano passage you hear at the 3:18 of your video here: Is probably meant to underscore that immediate shot that follows of Haddock gliding down the rope, so probably so very minor editing was done to the sequence. But great job synching up all the sword thrusts and hits with the music, it was clearly JW's intention Thanks! I figured since the twinkly piano has the descending feeling it might score the sinking ship. And I used the action theme for Sir Francis' heroics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted March 21, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2020 2nd video - Escape from the Karaboudjan a.k.a. the most gloriously scored punch in cinema history This is another one of Williams' stand out action cues from the score. Themes presented are Tintin's heroic theme, Snowy's theme, Sakharine's theme and the Bagghar theme. This is one of the cues where Tintin's heroic theme really gets to shine as he basically becomes an action hero here throwing punches, shooting at bad guys and doing generally heroic things and Williams graces every one of those instances with a bold statement. Other individual moments synced apart from the awesome punch are Tintin shooting at the boat harness, the flare, the ship destroying the boats, the bottles bobbing up and the airplane reveal among others. Williams is also very disciplined as you can see - when Tintin appears his theme appears, where there's a Snowy scene, there is his theme, when a cable to Bagghar is scene that location theme is heard and finally there is Sakharine's theme heard for his villainy. And of course it is all very propulsive and exciting action music! Timo Martikainen, Romão, Joni Wiljami and 16 others 13 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Mortimer 43 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 I love this music since my first listening. JW composed music totally different from the Pirates of the Caribbean. He's a real genius. I couldn't imagine that it was possible to move away from Zimmer style. I enjoy those little resemblances with Elfman's Batman theme and The Unicorn motif and sparkle warbling from Mission Impossible in Dueling Pirates track (Expanded Score). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 10 hours ago, Ricardo Mortimer said: JW composed music totally different from the Pirates of the Caribbean. He's a real genius. I couldn't imagine that it was possible to move away from Zimmer style. Cutthroat Island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted March 22, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2020 Composers have been writing great pirate music for decades before Zimmer came along and started writing bad pirate music. Pieter Boelen, Martinland, fommes and 7 others 1 1 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smaug The Iron 510 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 50 minutes ago, Marian Schedenig said: Composers have been writing great pirate music for decades before Zimmer came along and also started to write good pirate music. Fixed Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted March 22, 2020 Share Posted March 22, 2020 Not to mention Zimmer also wrote some cool pirate music for Muppet Treasure Island way before PotC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 5 hours ago, Smeltington said: Not to mention Zimmer also wrote some cool pirate music for Muppet Treasure Island way before PotC. Just goes to show that even he had been writing good pirate music before he started writing bad pirate music. Jurassic Shark, Smeltington and Pieter Boelen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Edmilson 7,398 Posted March 23, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 On 3/21/2020 at 3:25 PM, TheUlyssesian said: 2nd video - Escape from the Karaboudjan a.k.a. the most gloriously scored punch in cinema history This is another one of Williams' stand out action cues from the score. Themes presented are Tintin's heroic theme, Snowy's theme, Sakharine's theme and the Bagghar theme. This is one of the cues where Tintin's heroic theme really gets to shine as he basically becomes an action hero here throwing punches, shooting at bad guys and doing generally heroic things and Williams graces every one of those instances with a bold statement. Other individual moments synced apart from the awesome punch are Tintin shooting at the boat harness, the flare, the ship destroying the boats, the bottles bobbing up and the airplane reveal among others. Williams is also very disciplined as you can see - when Tintin appears his theme appears, where there's a Snowy scene, there is his theme, when a cable to Bagghar is scene that location theme is heard and finally there is Sakharine's theme heard for his villainy. And of course it is all very propulsive and exciting action music! This is mickey mousing done right, in an intelligent, thoughtful way! Williams certainly nailed his first animation score. And you're right, Williams is very disciplined with his themes - probably even more so on this latter phase of his career (see the Star Wars sequels). He wrote perfect, adequate themes for Tintin, Snowy, Haddock, Sakharin, Baggar, a duel theme and a mystery theme for the scrolls, and their performances are always in amazing consonance to what is happening onscreen. I watched the movie this week, and unfortunately much of the score is dialed out on the final product, which I thought it diminished its impact. For all its precision and intelligence, it could've (and should've!) been a JWFan favorite by now, but the fact that the movie is controversial (some people like it, a lot don't) and the score is so low on the film, probably prevented that. Therefore, you're doing a great job with these score only videos, which only show how great the score is. Not Mr. Big, Pieter Boelen, Once and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted March 23, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 23, 2020 It is a pity this score is not better loved. I think all the pieces are in place - it has a good album, it received an against the odds academy award nomination, good reviews, and yet not many champions. I was obsessed with this score when it first came out. I still love it. The movie I actually thing is fantastic as well. Very well done adventure story with Spielberg showing enormous spirit and dexterity in the staging of several sequences. I actually love the fact that both the film and score are extremely busy and jam packed and barely pause for a break before bolting in with propulsion. Once, Bayesian and Gurkensalat 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 7 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: The movie I actually thing is fantastic as well. Very well done adventure story with Spielberg showing enormous spirit and dexterity in the staging of several sequences. Very much so! One of my favourite films. I don't think there's a single other one so jam-packed with full-blown adventure. Infinitely better than a certain fourth film in another series... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Mortimer 43 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 The audience is listening, you know. Everyone expected the new Raider's March. Williams didn't deliver it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 I get the impression Williams isn't big on delivering what people expect. He already wrote the Raiders March. Why do it again? Same with a First Order March in the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,272 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 He do what he want Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Mr. Big 4,639 Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Pieter Boelen said: I get the impression Williams isn't big on delivering what people expect. He already wrote the Raiders March. Why do it again? Same with a First Order March in the Star Wars sequel trilogy. Anthem of Evil counts IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Mortimer 43 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 It's a common argument in the comment section on movie sites: Williams did not write music like Duel of the Fates!!! Honestly, he didn't have the opportunity, without epic duel can not be new epic music. Blame JJ for that not Williams. Blame JJ for whole sissy sequel trilogy. I would like to hear Lucas's opinion on Williams' sequel music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted April 17, 2020 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 17, 2020 NEW!!! 3rd Video - Flight to Bagghar a.k.a astonishingly fast-paced and "drunk" action music We've seen highlights of the Unicorn theme and Tintin's theme. Now comes the chance for Haddock's theme to shine. In this standout action cue, a drunk out of his mind, Captain Haddock saves the day with some extremely inebriated heroics. Williams scores from a psychological point of view, as there is all the fast-paced frenzy of a perilous flight through a storm but also the music itself seems to get "drunk" as Haddock gets drunk. Haddock's theme assumes center stage and goes through several variations as the cue progresses. This cue is chopped up in the film. The magnificent "swaying sea shanty" motif for Haddock actually drinking the alcohol at 0;50 is dialed out in the film for sound effects! Also the film version has an extended insert that ruins the propulsion of the cue which is very tightly constructed. Editing wise I have matched the film to Williams' original cue length so some editing was required. I have pulled off one major coup in editing. I hope someone notices it! Syncing wise, Williams outdoes himself. People might call it mickey-mousing but the music is so perfectly matched to the picture that even without dialog and sound effects, you can completely follow the scene only by listening to the music. It literally reflects every single thing that happens on screen! A very entertaining a thrilling action cue. Holko, Edmilson, Joni Wiljami and 12 others 8 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeltington 1,436 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 Thank you for this gift! Actually a pretty funny scene, I had forgotten all about it. How difficult for a composer to convey danger, excitement, and humor all at the same time. I think Williams has a good sense of WHEN to use mickey-mousing, for moments where the action needs emphasis. Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 I didn't even notice any editing, to be honest. The music just fits perfectly. Great job, I love these Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 4,640 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 On 3/23/2020 at 4:45 AM, Ricardo Mortimer said: The audience is listening, you know. Everyone expected the new Raider's March. Williams didn't deliver it. The frustrating thing is that Williams did deliver it--he just did not give it a workout in the end credits or give us a concert version. Ricardo Mortimer and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,342 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 13 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: This cue is chopped up in the film. Also the film version has an extended insert that ruins the propulsion of the cue which is very tightly constructed. So tracked music, or looping then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,221 Posted April 17, 2020 Share Posted April 17, 2020 13 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said: NEW!!! 3rd Video - Flight to Bagghar a.k.a astonishingly fast-paced and "drunk" action music We've seen highlights of the Unicorn theme and Tintin's theme. Now comes the chance for Haddock's theme to shine. In this standout action cue, a drunk out of his mind, Captain Haddock saves the day with some extremely inebriated heroics. Williams scores from a psychological point of view, as there is all the fast-paced frenzy of a perilous flight through a storm but also the music itself seems to get "drunk" as Haddock gets drunk. Haddock's theme assumes center stage and goes through several variations as the cue progresses. This cue is chopped up in the film. The magnificent "swaying sea shanty" motif for Haddock actually drinking the alcohol at 0;50 is dialed out in the film for sound effects! Also the film version has an extended insert that ruins the propulsion of the cue which is very tightly constructed. Editing wise I have matched the film to Williams' original cue length so some editing was required. I have pulled off one major coup in editing. I hope someone notices it! Syncing wise, Williams outdoes himself. People might call it mickey-mousing but the music is so perfectly matched to the picture that even without dialog and sound effects, you can completely follow the scene only by listening to the music. It literally reflects every single thing that happens on screen! A very entertaining a thrilling action cue. It's cool to have the scene with just the music. I do have a suggestion. While this edited version does work, it removes the two pilots who are tied up in the back. What happened to them? They comically jump out of the plane. That "extended insert" is part of the original sequence; there was more propulsive moments in that section. That section of music was micro-edited out of the OST track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted April 19, 2020 Author Share Posted April 19, 2020 On 4/17/2020 at 11:17 AM, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: So tracked music, or looping then. On 4/17/2020 at 11:23 AM, JohnnyD said: It's cool to have the scene with just the music. I do have a suggestion. While this edited version does work, it removes the two pilots who are tied up in the back. What happened to them? They comically jump out of the plane. That "extended insert" is part of the original sequence; there was more propulsive moments in that section. That section of music was micro-edited out of the OST track. so yes - the coup I referred to was editing out the pilots who jump out. And this is my theory - after listening countless times to the ost track and the film version which I have on bootleg. The film version suddenly dissipates all momentum and gets caught up in all these inserts that do not belong. i think originally, the pilots did not jump out. That was a late addition. So when the pilots jumping out was added for whatever reason, it killed the cue. So Williams has to write this extended insert that had to be stuck in the middle of the original music to make it fit to the picture. So the insert wasn’t micro edited OUT for the ost, it was tracked IN for the film edit. so I have tried to restore the scene to Williams’ original music. And just taking out the pilots, the music seems to work pretty well for the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,221 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 I'm afraid I have to disagree. That section of the cue is NOT an insert. Nothing here sounds edited in at all. I compared this to the album track, and there is some micro-editing. 11_The_Flight_to_Bagghar.m4a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,342 Posted April 19, 2020 Share Posted April 19, 2020 1 hour ago, TheUlyssesian said: so yes - the coup I referred to was editing out the pilots who jump out. And this is my theory - after listening countless times to the ost track and the film version which I have on bootleg. The film version suddenly dissipates all momentum and gets caught up in all these inserts that do not belong. i think originally, the pilots did not jump out. That was a late addition. So when the pilots jumping out was added for whatever reason, it killed the cue. So Williams has to write this extended insert that had to be stuck in the middle of the original music to make it fit to the picture. So the insert wasn’t micro edited OUT for the ost, it was tracked IN for the film edit. so I have tried to restore the scene to Williams’ original music. And just taking out the pilots, the music seems to work pretty well for the picture. The Flight to Bagghar is "3m17a The Plane Ride", there are no inserts listed in the cue list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,382 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 22 hours ago, JohnnyD said: I'm afraid I have to disagree. That section of the cue is NOT an insert. Nothing here sounds edited in at all. I compared this to the album track, and there is some micro-editing. 11_The_Flight_to_Bagghar.m4a 7.91 MB · 3 downloads I also hear some choppy edits in your track. I guess there are edits in both the OST and the cue as played in the movie, pretty usual. But I agree with @TheUlyssesian, the OST cue sounds good and natural, and this video edit matches wonderfully, good job on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyD 1,221 Posted April 20, 2020 Share Posted April 20, 2020 2 hours ago, Chewy said: I also hear some choppy edits in your track. I guess there are edits in both the OST and the cue as played in the movie, pretty usual. But I agree with @TheUlyssesian, the OST cue sounds good and natural, and this video edit matches wonderfully, good job on this. I can assure you that there are NO edits of any kind in that track. That is the entire cue as composed and conducted. I certainly do not hear any choppy edits. Don't get me wrong, the album track is fine, and the micro-edits are not noticeable. Still... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 2,833 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 I found it really funny at 1.48 when Haddock appears and his music comes in. Not sure why, it just made me chuckle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,033 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 On 3/24/2020 at 2:05 AM, Ricardo Mortimer said: I would like to hear Lucas's opinion on Williams' sequel music. Why? He'd butcher it if he had the oportunity! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,323 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 @TheUlyssesian great job with the video, I really enjoyed watching it, and you did a great job making it! Videos like this always so super useful in understanding the role the music was meant to play in a production, which can often get so buried in the final mix! I also think your theory of inserts ruining an original pace and momentum, etc, are a quite clever theory, but unfortunately @JohnnyD and @The River (Fal) are correct; This cue had no later inserts written or anything. This scene was never scored during the early scoring sessions, only the final sessions, and it was 3M17A The Plane Ride at a length of 4:13. Williams simply chose to edit parts of it out when crafting the OST version, which ended up in a 3:33 length and retitled The Flight To Bagghar. Now, I have no idea if all the music you hear in the final film under the scene is entirely that original recording; Spielberg might have replaced parts of what JW wrote with music tracked in from other scenes, I haven't studied it. But the point is, those pacing and momentum issues you talk about are probably precisely why he shortened the cue down for the album, because keeping the pace up makes a more exciting action track! I actually think there is merit to making videos like these, which sync to album tracks; You hear nothing but nice clean music, and music that's been crafted for listening outside the film in mind, and you can still see the video to know what it was all meant for. If we had access to a recording session leak of the full cue as JW recorded it that'd be one thing, but when you have to start ripping music out of a film and sound effects and dialogue come with it, that doesn't make for as nice videos as the one you made. So again, great job! Edmilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edmilson 7,398 Posted May 12, 2020 Share Posted May 12, 2020 A recording session leak would be great for us to understand how it was shaped. I really hope it leaks one day. In any case, the music works wonderfully in the movie, and these videos are helpful to highlight that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrotherSound 2,242 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 @TheUlyssesian I’d love to see a restoration of ‘Clash of the Cranes’, in particular, if you’re up for making more of these! If not, I might make an attempt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUlyssesian 2,473 Posted February 22, 2022 Author Share Posted February 22, 2022 6 hours ago, BrotherSound said: @TheUlyssesian I’d love to see a restoration of ‘Clash of the Cranes’, in particular, if you’re up for making more of these! If not, I might make an attempt. Well that ain't of my favorite cues so go for it. I might do one for Pursuit of the Falcon but not Clash. BrotherSound 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
igger6 894 Posted February 23, 2022 Share Posted February 23, 2022 On 20/04/2020 at 6:57 PM, JohnnyD said: I can assure you that there are NO edits of any kind in that track. That is the entire cue as composed and conducted. I certainly do not hear any choppy edits. Don't get me wrong, the album track is fine, and the micro-edits are not noticeable. Still... If I could get smacked by a radioactive baton and develop a JWFan superpower, the ability to discern micro-edits is the first one I'd pick. And "Pursuit of the Falcon" is both an awesome scene and an awesome track. I'd love to see @TheUlyssesian breathe new life into it like he did for these three! Those sync points were a revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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